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Rick Spence

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“Human beings are just weird animals. There's no getting around. They're just completely peculiar. I'm not sure that we're altogether natural.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I bet the most there again, those are all people who up to some point were cooperative and kind and polite. And then they snap. So, those are all part of the human makeup as well.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Fascinating to watch, yeah. The people who will, you know, there's some sort of psychotic break that occurs and it's always going to end the same way. The cops are going to come on and drag you off the plane. Now, true, and you're going to inconvenience everybody there. And usually at some point they don't care about that. That's the one little sense of power that they have. So they have some sort of powerlessness. And if their only way of power is just to piss off everybody else on that plane. They're going to go ahead and do it, even though it's going to lead. Nowhere for them.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most people are cooperative. Most of the time. And... That's one of those things that can usually be dependent upon. And usually you'll get back to what you put into it. Another thing that I have like a weird fascination of watching are people who have meltdowns on airplanes.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I just sort of imagining this. You know, if I was going to stage that, I'd have this choir of children singing it with a huge hammer and sickle behind them. Because that's what it's combining. And you can think that the sentiments that are expressed in that song, which are legitimate in some way, Of all the horrors. That then leads to.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It seems like impossible to knowledge. For some reason, not long ago, I was listening on YouTube to old wobbly songs. He workers the world. I don't know why. I know there was a whole album of Wobbly songs. And there was one of them called Commonwealth of Toil. And like most of them, they're sort of taken from gospel songs. And it's talking about in the future, you know, how wonderful everything will be in the common wealth of toil. that will And at least they're revolutionary leftists, in this case wobblies, but nonetheless, it's like a prayer for communism, everything. In the future, everything will be good because the earth will be shared by the toilers. And from each of his abilities to each according to his knee. And it's this kind of sweet little song in some way.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, because we know so little, we tend to go by beliefs. So we believe in this or we believe in that. You believe that your cult leaders is the answer to everything. And it seems to be very, very easy to get people to believe things And then what happens is that whether or not those beliefs have any real basis in reality, they begin to influence your actions. So here again, regrettably in some ways to bring it back to the Nazis, what were the Nazis convinced of? They were convinced that Jews were basically evil aliens. That's what it comes down to. They weren't really humans. There's some sort of evil contamination, which we must eradicate. They set out to do that”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“By an idea inspiring a relatively small group of people controlling a nation. Based upon some sort of racial or ideological fantasy that has no real basis in reality and yet guides their actions. It's this differentiation that I always make, and I would try to get across the students between, always be clear about what you know and what you believe. You don't know many things. You know your name You know when you were born? You probably know who your father is, but that's not absolute unless you've had a DNA test. And only if you trust DNA tests. So, you know who your mother is. You believe this manager father. Why? Because your mother told you who he was. So you believe things generally because someone has told you this is to be true, but you don't really know for sure.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I guess on one level, I'm comforted that there's somebody actually making decisions. Supposed to do. I mean, what do you want? Do you want chaos or do you want everything kind of rigidly controlled? I don't put much stock in the idea that there actually is some small group of people running everything because if they were, it would operate more efficiently. Do think that there are various disparate groups of people Who think that they're running things or try to. And that's what concerns me more than anything else. Well, I had to go back to them again because we have to bring it up. You go back to the Nazis. They had their whole idea about a new world order, and they only had 12 years to do it. Look what a mess they made. I mean, look at the damage, the physical damage that can be done.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But you got a bunch of these things. I mean, the. Council of Foreign Relations is very similar to that. The Bilderbergers, and here's an overlap with the Bohemian Club. And then you've got the Pinay Circle or Les Circle, which is more military, but also linked to the so-called secret, you know, the idea of the Soviets overran Western Europe, there would be a stay behind organization called Glaudio. There would be these freedom fighters. So, the question I have about that is how many secret organizations do you need? Why all these separate groups, which often seem to have the same people into them?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Redinger's mysterious figure, in fact, I think there was even a book written about him called Eminence Gries, Grey Eminence, the fellow who's the front man for the Bilderbergers was Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, who was at one point a Nazi and then a Dutch freedom fighter. All right, take your pick. But Rettinger is the moving hand behind the whole thing, and I'll be damned if I can figure out who Rettinger is. So the idea is that, well, you get like influential people in media, business, politics, and you bring them together just to talk. Try to find common answers or common questions. All very much sort of Western European Anglo-European. I mean, all very closely sort of connected to NATO. Concept of a kind of Atlanticist world. Is essentially the Anglo-American combine combined with Western Europe.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably mislead you if you can stay close. So I think the question is what's the most Powerful or important secret society, probably the one you don't know about, one that doesn't advertise its existence, the one which is never known anywhere under its real name. Got things like the Bohemian Club. You've got the Bilderbergers, which is in others sort of formed in the 1950s, largely the creation of a guy by the name of Joseph Rettinger, Polish, mysterious, appears at a nowhere, a schemer for years. A man expelled from Britain France and the United States at one point or another. Long active in the Mexican labor movement.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Feel training tests, a whole variety of tests, and then you're sworn to secrecy You never talk about what you do. Ever. Or there will be dire consequences. So, the method is very much the same. And also, this idea of creating a kind of insular group. The organization is us. And everyone else is outside of that. We are guardians of special knowledge. This is the type of thing that would generally happen if you question whatever any kind of intelligence agency did. Well, we know things that you don't. Why? Because we're the organization that knows things. We collect information. We know the secrets. We guard the secrets. Therefore, if we tell you, you must believe us.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it comes down to give you my definition of secret societies with the Kemnatu. One is that generally their existence isn't secret. It's what they do is secret. It's what's in the box as opposed to the existence of the box. So, one of the most important criterions is that they are self-selecting. You just don't join. They pick you. They decide whether or not you're going to, they admit you, and oftentimes they will sort of recruit you Once you have been recruited, you have to pass tests and initiations. And you also have to swear oaths of loyalty. Those are always very, very critical. So, broadly speaking, what enters into an intelligence organization does, they decide whether you get in. You just don't automatically get the job. You have to pass tests, a lie detector test, for instance.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you also notice something goes back to when we were talking about much earlier when we were talking about intelligence. Remember mice, ego? He's a recruitment and control. That's a great Achilles heel in human beings, the exploitation of ego.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Adam Weiss out again there is no more thing convincing than a concealed mystery. Give people a concealed mystery in the fuss. So we need to make the order mysterious for that exact reason. Always hold out the possibility that special knowledge that no mere mortals have other than you We'll have in that way. So he senses a lot of things, the use of vanity and ego to recruit people. To influence both men and women, it's quite sophisticated. And as you might expect from a professor of canon law trained by Jesuits, I certainly don't think that it ceased When it was banned in Bavaria because everybody just scatters and goes elsewhere, like Paris. And then you have the French Revolution.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have no idea what's going on inside. Like a black box. If I set a black box on this table, we can see that there is a black box. What's in the black box? A cat? Who knows?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Marxism was simply a further restating of this idea. And you can draw some sort of connection. I mean, the idea never entirely goes away. The Bavarian government Gets a hold of the order's inner texts. So the story is they're delivered to them. I think that Weishauft gave them to him. I think he engineered the exposure of his order because it gave him publicity. By being exposed in Bavaria, you gained great renown and they continued to recruit after this, and the Bavarian government actually bans the Illuminati four different times. Apparently, the first three times didn't work, so the fourth one does you can notice that it's like papal bands on Freemasonry. They just go on and on and on, because this clearly isn't working.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All things will be open and they will be emancipated, so we should hold out the prospect of female emancipation to attract them, because he argued in the short term, there's no better way to influence men than through women. Get women on our side by promising them emancipation, but he made sure we'll never actually deliver it to them, because the future world will be a boys club. He talks about these things fairly openly, and this is where you get this idea of some sort of a new world order which is to be based upon the destruction of the existing order. So there are those who argue that There is a trail of descent that leads from Weishoff's Illuminati to the communist manifesto. In effect, communism itself.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that's what the order is all about. Of course, he also said things like, oh man, is there nothing that you won't believe? So myth would be used in that. Also thought women should be brought into it. He had a rather interesting view about that was that we should appeal to women. In part because women have a chip on their shoulder because they're left out of things. So we should appeal to their vanity on that point and offer that in the future.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But the thing about Weishelft was that he was quite a luminous correspondent with members with his Illuminati, both during the time that it legally existed in Bavaria and later on. So, Vice Ops himself lives, I think, until 1830. Dies in Gotha, which was ruled by an Illuminati prince, and so nothing ever happens to these men. No Illuminati has ever put to death or arrested, imprisoned for any period of time. What happens is that their plan, well, what was his plan? His plan was to essentially replace all existing religions and governments in the world with. One world order governed. By the Illuminat So, to do this, you had to subvert and destroy all the existing order. And the purpose for this is to, we wish to make men happy and free, but first we must make them good.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not trademarked, not copyrighted. Anybody who thinks they've seen the light about anything is an Illuminati. So it defines nothing. The symbol of the order was an owl Which interestingly enough is almost identical to the owl, which is the emblem of the Bohemian Club. Make of that what you will. I don't make that much out of it because one owl looks pretty much like another owl Compare them You know, you got to kind of wonder about this little thing. Maybe there's some kind of connection there So, but that supposedly has to do with a connection to the goddess Minerva, and the owl was sacred to her and the order and the order was the Minerval, the person who was brought in. The number of levels changed over time. There was a higher level, so the order that people at the lower level didn't know about. Pretty typical for this.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the Illuminati that we know Started in 1776. In fact, you can pin it down to a day, the 1st of May, Mayday. In 1776, in Ingolstadt, Germany, founded by a professor Adam Weishaupt. It wasn't initially called the Illuminati because that's not really the name of the organization. It was called the Order Perfectibilists. Apparently, that changed. Weishoft would say things like never let our organization be known under his real name anywhere, which leaves wondering what's its real name. So Illuminati is simply the plural of Illuminatus, which means one who is illuminated, one who has seen the light. So in Roman times, Christian converts were Illuminati because they had seen the light. Anyone who thinks, and there have been organizations called the term is...”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You come back to something similar we were talking before about do pedophiles exist, do pedophiles. Okay, so do. Satanic cults exist? Well, they do There was one in my hometown. Apparently, quite harmless, as far as I know, never did anything, but there are people who robes. Here we come again. Robes cut the head off a chicken. Naked woman is an altar. You can get off on that, I suppose, if that's your thing So, professed Satanists exist satanic cults exist. Serial killers exist, ritual murders exist. Are those things necessarily connected? No. Could they be connected? There's nothing. Don't ever tell me that something is just too crazy for people to do because that's crazy talk.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Satanic cult which engages in ritual murders. Then if you go all the way to Florence, you've got murders who go on and off for a long period of time, again, focusing on couples in isolated areas, which Italian prosecutors ultimately tried to connect to some kind of satanic cult, although I'm not sure they ever made a particularly strong case for that. But that element comes up in all three of them. So you can, with a little imagination, argue that those similarities that those things should come up in each of those cases in different places will be Either suggest that oddly enough, psychopathic criminals all sort of thinking the same way, or that there is some sort of Higher element involved in this, that there's some kind of common inspiration.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, take the zodia You had his claim that he's collecting souls for the afterlife. There are other things that are true. Cultish connected to that. He may have picked some of the killing sites due to their physical location, to their position in a particular place. If you look at the son of Sam case, of course, David Berkowitz will on and off claim that he was part of a satanic cult that was carrying out, again, these killings. Mostly of couples and young women similar to The zodiac And that he had only committed some of them and was witnesses at others. And that has really created the whole idea that, yes, there is this some kind of”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think they knew who to look for. There's nothing much to go on. There was a guy who was long a suspect. And then eventually they tested his DNA and find that it didn't match any of the things. they'd found Again, it goes back to, I'm not even sure that it's one person who's responsible for all of them.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When would he have? I mean, that is one, and also before he got the idea from he's incorporating these things from me, then there are, of course, his codes, which people have, you know, which aren't all that difficult to decipher probably because they weren't meant to be. The other thing that you find often with serial or psychopathic illnesses is they're toying with the press. I mean, this goes all the way back to Jack the Ripper. Now, they get attention. And then he just Disappears”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of the really interesting clues to me when I was looking at that case, which I didn't find anybody else that tended to make much of it of, is that it all has to do with this kind of Halloween card that he sends to the press in San Francisco. And it's talking about sort of rope by gun, by fire. And there's this whole sort of wheel, you know, sort of like the zodiacs. But what was this drawn from, where he got this from is from a Tim Holt Western comic book published in 1951. And you see the same thing on the cover. It's Wheel of Fortune, but with different forms of grisly death on it. And all of the things that he mentioned are shown on the cover of this. So, whoever put together that card saw that comic book, well, that's kind of an interesting clue. So does that mean he's a comic book collector?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Who I mean, here's the question Was he making that up just? Be scary or is that what his actual that's what he's saying his motivation is so let's take him at face value Rather than trying to Wish that into the cornfield, that is, to get rid of it. Just take it to faith. So he's claiming that he's killing these people in order to acquire slave servants in the afterlife. He will subsequently go on to claim many more victims. I'm not sure 44 eventually he will have before he just kind of vanishes.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There is a composite drawing of his face, which I think is based upon the Stein killing, the cab driver killing, where there were people who saw him or who claimed that they saw him. The other ones were all when it was fairly dark. I'm not sure that anyone else got to look at his face. The one that occurred in the daylight at Barry Essa he was wearing a mask. So there's something in common initially in the targeting of victims, which doesn't in the last case. Then after that, there's just these different cases of where There's a pretty good case to be made of a woman who claims, I think it was she and her small child were picked up. Her car broke down. She got a flat tire and she was picked up by this guy. She got a very sort of strange vibe from who eventually just let her go.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He doesn't, he's not particularly thorough about it. He seems to have had much more. More of the violence seems to be directed at the females than the males.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In one of the killings, I think the one in Lake Barriesa, he does appear in this kind of weird-hooded costume. You know, he's got his symbol, the sort of compass or aiming rectical, you know, circle with a cross through it can mean a variety of things. He used guns and he used knives, but he certainly had to think for couples. Except in the last of the killings, which is of a cab driver in downtown San Francisco, who he shoots in full view of witnesses, which is completely atypical.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the first killings are all of couples. It's very sort of clear that they, I remember in my examination of it, one of the things I was looking at specific, what else is there to say about the zodiac killing? So what I was going to look at is that there are all of these accusations that there is an occult aspect to it, that there was some sort of ritualistic So I looked at different things, locations, victims, phases of the moon. That's always worth looking at. I didn't find much correspondence in any of those.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hitchhiking, especially if you were alone and female, was not something you wanted to do in much of the Golden State, certainly not up around the Bay Area. So one of these strange sort of killings that were going on, the zodiac is one of those things where you have these people who have theories about it. And if you don't share their theory, then you're part of the problem in some form or another. So I'm not sure, for instance, the zodiac killings role committed by the same person. I think there might have been multiple people involved.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Turmoch has been used for that. A writer by the name of Todd Wood who's toyed, I wish I'd come up with this California. Which is just sort of a chronicle of the serial killers and disappearances in the late 60s and 70s. So you've got the zodiac. You've got other ones. I mean, you know. I hate to say it. I'm not trying to be flippant about it, but I mean, young female hitchhikers were disappearing at an alarming rate in Northern California. Their bodies that have never been attributed, some think that they're the The zodiac's victims, buddy. It was a dangerous time. Edmund Kemper, you know, the co ed killer was another one. There were a lot of Creepy psychopaths running around. I don't know whether there was something in the water or what was going on, but it was a Menacing in some cases”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, California, I'm from. I remember this period vividly. So, by the way, the Tate La Bianca killings occurred on my birthday the year I graduated from high school. So I remember this.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You have a lot of people there in the cult. They have some sort of call dysfunctional families. A lot of the females in particular seem to have come from more or less middle class families, but those are full of dysfunction. Know their parents didn't love them, they were semi runaways, and now they had this whole Family, you know, a lot of the younger women had children. Some of them by Manson, some of them by the others, they sort of bonded together”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sex was another frequent component in it. He had a real whammy over a lot of these people's minds. I'm not sure how. That still kind of puzzles me. He was a scrawny guy. And he wasn't physically intimidating. I mean, even a lot of women wouldn't be physically intimidated by him, but he nevertheless had this real psychological power and if you look around him, the male followers he had were fairly big guys. So he could get people to do what he wanted. And again, to me, the simplest Was going on that would if I was a cop, that's what I would focus on because that seems to make the most sense.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You got that kind of story. There's a guy named Juan Flynn, who was an employee at the Spawn Ranch. Didn't like Manson, held Manson responsible for the murder of his boss. He would testify that Manson told him that he had ordered all the killings and that Manson also admitted that he had killed thirty five people. Maybe he did, on the other hand. Juan Flynn didn't like him, and he had no other than his word had no real proof of what he was saying. So, please understand me in this case that, unlike some people who argue that Charles Manson got a raw deal, I don't think that's the case. I think that he influenced tremendous influence over the people there. Drugs”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they confessed that it was all their idea, and Charlie had nothing to do with it. Hughes doesn't like this because his defense for her is that she was under his influence. And therefore not responsible for her own actions. He was having psychic control, so he refuses to go along with it. There's a break in the trial. He goes camping up in the mountains with some friends. Disappears during a rainstorm, and then some months later his decomposed remains are found. Rumors, always the rumors. Okay. What would history be without rumors? That see members of the family, they were pissed off at Ron Hughes because he messed up Charlie's idea to get him off, and so they killed him. Maybe they did, maybe he drowned. That's absolutely impossible to say.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There was another fellow who knew, I think, the owner of the house, his photographer. His name may be Hatami. He gets a call earlier in the morning saying that there have been murders. And the person, he recalls calling him, is Reef Whitson. So, someone. Been at the house before the bodies were discovered, and they had not called the police. So I don't know what's going on there, but... It's a curious kind of situation And Manson, in a lot of ways, just kind of self immolates himself. His behavior at the trial is bizarre, it's threatening, it's disruptive. You know, he's got his girls out on the street, carving X's in their forehead, carrying knives. One of the attorneys initially his attorney, Ron Hughes. Becomes Van Houghton's attorney, and he figures out that the three girls supposedly on Charlie's insistence are going to confess.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of these guys, you know, he grew his hair kind of long, wore a bell bottoms, hung around the music community and elsewhere in Hollywood, but no one could tell you exactly what he did. I know what he did later, but a decade later he shows up as a CIA officer in Central America. So Reeve Whitson, later in his career, at least, is CIA. What was he? In 1969, what is he doing in this? The other thing about it is he appears to have been the person who called, this whole question of when the bodies at Cielo Drive are... Discovered. So, the general story is that Sharon Tate's housekeeper shows up around 8:30 in the morning, finds the bloody scene, and goes screaming next door.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The real question is there is a book written on this by Tom O'Neill called Chaos. I'm not necessarily saying it's the easiest thing to get through. There's a lot of material there. I don't think O'Neill necessarily knows what to make of some of the stuff he came up with, but he does a very good job of sort of demolishing the whole. Bibliosi One of the people he mentions is a name that I had run into elsewhere, and so I really paid attention to it when I saw it again. And the name is Reeve Whitson. Reeve Wh Shows up on the fringes even though he has no judicial function. He sort of hangs around Bugliosi in the prosecution. He's some sort of advice. He's just kind of there. In the same way that he was...”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So Manson set up a kind of base, a thing called a spawn movie wrench, which was an old movie wrench out in the north, west edge of LA. And they just kind of camped out there. He used the girls, in particular squeaky frome, to get the owner or operator. Think George spawned to let them hang out there and basically she slept with him and he was perfectly happy to let them hang out. They also had a place out in the desert that they had. They dealt in credit card fraud, stolen cars. It was kind of a chop shop that they ran out of the place. And yet a fairly good little criminal gig going, which with the protection he had probably would have. The one thing they couldn't cover him on was murder.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He was familiar with the house, so the idea was to simply commit random killings that would throw. It would muddy the whole waters with the Hinman killing. Then you might pick some place you knew of, you knew the place with Running Out, there'd be someone there you really didn't care. In the same way that the La Bianca seemed to have been. Manson was familiar with that because it supposedly had been the scene of creepy crawling. This is a little interesting things that this family will be taught to do. Creepy crawling is when you sneak into somebody's house at night While they're there asleep or when they're not there and you move things around. So, when they get up in the morning or they come home, they'll suddenly notice that someone has been in their house, which will Freaked them out, which is the whole point of that.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It might also seem the value in terms of having copycat killings as a way of throwing off any other kind of blame. The other story you get is that one of the people who had lived at the Cielo house where Sharon Tate was a record producer by the name of Terry Melcher. Milsure supposedly, as the general story goes, had welched on a deal with Manson in terms of a record contract. He screwed over Manson in some sort of a record deal, and Manson wanted to get revenge and sent them to kill everybody in the house. Portugain doesn't make it much of a sense. One, Manson knew that Melcher wasn't living there anymore. He probably knew where Melcher was living. If he wanted to get Melcher, he could have found him. It wasn't that difficult to do. And So that's, it's not revenge on Terry Melcher that drew him there.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For telling the story the prosecution wants. Hmm, you know, that's a little iffy, and we won't even bring in the witch and the drugs and being in love with Bobby Bosale. So if Manson had been dressed like you, sitting there in a suit and tie, and it behaved himself and spoken normally, things might, this isn't to say that he wasn't guilty as hell. So, what he supposedly did was to inspire. All of these killings. I think that's probably sort of beginning with the Hinman killing. He told them to go over there and get the money one way or the other. I don't know whether it's clear whether he told them if you don't get the money, kill him, but Hineman's dead. And then”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He had a lot of access to LSD. Which he started getting. The free clin In San Francisco. So lots of it floating around some descriptions of the family at Spawn Ranches that people were basically taking acid on a daily basis, which by the way was also a potential problem with Linda Kassabian's testimony since she also admitted to being high most of the time and also thinking she was a witch. All right. So you want to put her? Okay. Where do you want to go with that? See, if Manson wasn't Manson, if he hadn't acted like such a complete, if he hadn't actually acted like the crazed hippie psycho goofball that Bugliosi painted him as being. Kasabian's testimony wouldn't have been as strong because you could. I mean, the first thing against her is you've gotten immunity.”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, then that would get messy. Now, there's one Gaius at the center of this, it's Charles Manson. He ordered all of this done to ignite a race war even though how would any of that do it?”
2024-10-30 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #451 – Rick Spence: CIA, KGB, Illuminati, Secret Societies, Cults & Conspiracies · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source