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Ricky Gervais

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  1. I don't want to give up. I don't want to give up. I want people to Understand it and I try if anyone says I'll explain the joke. I'm happy to explain the joke because I love the intellectual pursuit. I love saying someone, no, no.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. To get the right target and hope people get it. So I get that. And sometimes, and then I get why people go, it's just not worth it. No one understands me. I'm getting shouted at and my friends don't get it either. And I want to be in this club. I get it.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Right wing bigots are in charge. So, is it the right thing to do? So I have to find a way where I can still make these sort of jokes and people get them. And, you know, so there's a, I do feel there's a responsibility to at least try.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. Is it people being killed? Or is it about a stupid misunderstanding? Or is the Nazi? There's lots of ways this can be okay. You can make jokes about race without being racist. We don't even have to get to, you know, is it a racist joke or not? It can be just a joke about race. And everyone knows that you can make a joke about race without being racist.

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  5. Some people think that something shouldn't be joked about, which is clearly not true. And they do that because they think, and there's lots of stages here, they think that, so if it's a bad thing, if it's a joke.

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  6. You've got to go. Oh, I get it. And again, I talk about this on humanity that people often get offended by, let's say, a joke. Let's talk about jokes, actual jokes. People saying things they don't really mean for a comic effect to elicit a laugh, right? People get offended when they mistake the subject of a joke with the actual target.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. Well, my name comes up a lot on Twitter when there's ever controversy. A politician says summer and people defend and go, hold on, Ricky Gervaise says these things, which is right. But I want to go, well, hold on, let's look at it. There's lots of variables here. One, I'm good at it. I'm good at my job, right? I've thought about this joke. This isn't me going out and saying the wrong thing. Two, you could say, well, that's not a joke. I make jokes about those things, but that's not a joke about the thing. That's someone advocating the thing. And there's another big difference there. Is it a joke, first of all? Was it a bad joke? That's another thing. If you're dealing with really contentious, the more emotive and contentious the issue is, the funnier the jokes will be. Yeah. You know.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. They don't exist. It's like this one percent That's in your phone. And that's the terrifying equality that someone living in a bin can do a tweet and the next tweet is Richard Dawkins. And you go, oh, they're the same. They're not the fucking same. One's a moron.

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  9. Because I tell you why, it's not the public perception. That's the point. If you're on Twitter, you think that there's a war going on. If you go on to Twitter and you hit the right buttons, right, it's like you're watching Game of Thrones. It's like the world is full of Nazis versus anti-Nazis. It's turfs versus trans activists. You go in the real world. It's not.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. What do you mean by I don't know, I'm not sure that's true. Is it because I act like I am or my responses or I shouldn't be, I've survived terrible controversies. I'm defiant against

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  11. It's no good for nuance, it's no good for, so you've got to be manipulating that sample. You've got to go, hold on. So this person doesn't get it. Does that mean there's something wrong with the joke or does it mean they're an idiot? Usually it means they're an idiot. You know, you don't care about if 10,000 people are laughing, you don't care about one heckler, it'd be madness to throw, oh, lose that joke. And also is this service? Sometimes I've explained the joke to people. And the people who got it are angry. They go, don't fuck it. We got it. You know, don't, and I the same when a comedian apologizes. I go, oh, fucking don't apologize. You know, so you can't please everyone, you shouldn't. You can't legislate against stupidity, and you shouldn't, you know.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. But it's very good for putting out jokes and finding the ambiguity because someone out there will go, do you mean this? And you go, ah, I didn't know it was ambiguous. That's good. I'll change that. And so it's good for joke writing. It's good to reduce. I like that restriction of characters to.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. to have a Twitter channel where you don't spend anything on my gigs of pure profit because I don't have to spend anything on advertising. They sell out around the world. So there's that, right? Why would I not use that? It would be crazy for me to shut that down because there are a couple of idiots. I use it as market research as well because that's not a sample. That's the world if 200 is a good sample, then 13 million, pretty much as it is. That's how it is. There's still the echo chamber because they're presumably following me for a reason, and I can't.

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  14. No, wasting time Because it's fun, it's interesting. I can, you know, I can sit there and go through and. I use it as many ways, right? I think number one, I use it as a marketing tool. 13 million people who get an email, that's a good.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. He's a resuite. No, it's true. Some, I mean, the truth is. I don't get that sort of again. I don't know why, but I don't get it. I think, yeah, I've no idea why. Sometimes I have to look for it. Sometimes I search things to look for. If I'm doing a new bit, I'll put in a couple of words and find a mad thing, you know, and I'll talk about that. And someone said them once said, why do you only retreat the maddest examples of, you know, fundamentalist Christians? And I go, because a sensible Christian's not funny. Someone who just says, oh, I got spirituality and yeah, live and let live. There's nothing funny about that. Whereas someone that says, I hope you get raped by Satan, that's funny. That's why I choose that comedy is an exaggeration. It's not my job to be fair, to be fair. It's like, is it funny?

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. Public facing on social media, you're very engaged, don't ever genuinely hurt my feelings on Twitter. That would be impossible. It's like the analogy I use is I'm walking down the street and there's a guy living in a bin covered in shit, right? And he shouts at me, you can't. Am I going to get upset at that? I'm going to keep walking, aren't I? I'm not going to, I might take a picture.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. I love that awkward though In fact, I could have put in the bits where we stopped and we were sort of normal and nice to each other. But where's the fun in that? The conspiracy theory is that he owned me and he hated me. He didn't. He invited me to be on his DVD, you know, and then there's a great thing you should find it. He's speaking about it Says that he got the energy wrong and he was trying something else and he put a moment. And it's funny because when I got back with it, the broadcaster went, oh my God, this is really great. You should do a new intro saying, oh, he was weird. And I was going, no, I'm not doing that. No, I'm not doing that.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. We had Sarin and we were sort of having fun. And then we had breaks and he told me lots of stuff that he'd been through. And then we got back to it, you know.

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  19. Yeah, but he was teasing me as well. He was trying to get something going. Even after the initial thing where he says you didn't realize, I mean, then we had.

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  20. saying something on this podcast Of course, I know, we've left it in because And also, it didn't feel awkward. It felt like two people, two idiots, sparring.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  21. When we got there, his crew couldn't find him. He was sort of, he was, and then he came in. And he says he thought he was recording for his thing. First, there's a thing on YouTube where he talks about it. Look it up, I can't remember what it was, but he explains it all. And it was still fun. I left it all in, you know. People think that it was a stitch up. I go, no, I edited it. You know, I edited it. I left it. It's like, you know

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  22. Yeah, and he talks about it after there's a thing on YouTube where he talks about it. He says he was trying to do a thing and it sort of went wrong. What happened was he invited me to be on some sort of anniversary box set behind a DVD extra of Gary Sanders as a fan. And I said, oh, I'll do a thing with you as well. Well, I was going to do the thing where I was doing my three comedic heroes, which was... Him Larry David and Christopher Guest. And I did those three. There's a conspiracy theory that goes around that after the Gary Shounding, I cancelled the series. It was only three. It's if you do that then.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  23. Exactly, yeah, yeah. Political correctness, but like other things has been mugged and changed. There's a new word for it it's woke and all that but yeah if someone says oh we have a new term for that now I go good yeah fine just let me know I didn't get the memo but now I've got the memo I'd be a psychopath to still go around using the the wrong term

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  24. Yeah, everywhere. Of course. Yeah. And we have to be educated. And I'm a fan of political correctness per se that I don't say the wrong. I try not to say the wrong. I don't want to be taken the wrong way. I don't want people to be offended. I don't want people to think that you're...

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  25. In fact, it's almost the other way that you don't use it. So it's very, very complicated and nuanced. And that's the problem with social media as well. It doesn't know international boundaries. So when I tweet from London, that's...

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  26. Will I try and explain? Again, I try to explain to Americans how it doesn't hold the same misogyny in England. It's a term of affection. Saying come to a woman would be a bit, I'd never say that because it's just... Just seems too, and I'm sexist for not saying comes, but I try and stress that it's so far removed from female genitalia in context in England. We call it, we say it to men. For two reasons one, we hate them. Two, they're our mate. I was in Edinburgh once and two policemen walked past and they said, oh, Mr. Gervaise, you're a funny cunt. I said, thank you very much. It's a term endearment as well, you know, but there is no misogyny.

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  27. If things change, then it's a bit odd that you militantly stick to words that people have moved on from. But it depends whether it's genuine or not. I think it's all about intent. It's all about context and intent.

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  28. It could be a genuine mistake. Because I remember when it was the polite. Thing to say. And then People thought it was too harsh. Same black. There's people with good intentions. And of course.

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  29. It would have to be, it's about intent, I think. If you were going around saying colored nowadays, it's hard to believe you haven't heard that we've moved on. Could be genuine

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  30. I'm not responsible for the people at my gig. I'm only responsible for what I say. I'm not responsible for how they take it. Do you know what I mean?

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  31. But it's not funny. So you want to sort of. Me, comedy is an intellectual pursuit, and as soon as you start pandering or wanting everyone to give you a round of applause because they agree with you, then you've lost something comedically. And I think you've got to be a bit cleverer with it than just going out there. And it's not my problem who's at the back. You know, when you played a 10,000 people, there probably is a rapist and a Nazi. And, you know, I mean, what sort of door policy is that as you come in? Have you ever raped anyone? You're not coming. It's like...

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  32. I've warned them. I almost challenge them to be offended, and of course they're not because they're ready for it. And then people say, ah, but the problem with iron is some people don't get it. And I go, yeah, that's true. And I go, so someone can be laughing for the wrong reasons. And I go, yep, yeah, I don't know what I can do about that. Because if you water the irony down so much that you're just not ironing anywhere, I might as well go out and say racism's wrong, isn't it? And get a round of applause. Well, that's great. That's lovely.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  33. It's interesting you're thought about persona because that's the other thing, the problem some people don't get. It is a persona. It's a persona as much as David Brent, but it's just more subtle because I use it as my own name. So I treat the audience with a lot of respect in that I want them to be smart enough to know when I'm saying something I mean and when I'm saying something I don't mean. And I almost explain that in my news supernatural. I come up and I do a joke and I go, that's irony. That's when I say something I don't really mean. And you as an audience, you laugh. Laughing at the wrong thing because you know what the right thing is. And I explain it at the beginning.

    2019-07-12 · Making Sense with Sam Harris · #163 — Ricky Gervais · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  34. There are comedians that don't go there with themselves. They go out in a suit and they do puns and they're good at what they do. But those jokes are as good to read. You almost don't need them there. So my stuff can't be stolen. You know what I mean? It's not syntax and semantics. Attitude It's a mood. It's a man as angry about the world as we are, you know? It's almost not about the lines. There's a narrative, you know.

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  35. And with all that arrogance and with me playing the war story, I'm always the butt of the joke. If you look into it, I'm being childish. If I'm winning, I'm smugly being a child.

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  36. Also, there's a part of me that says, honestly, if I can do it, anyone can. They know that I've probably worked hard. And they know that I probably had something. But it is quite an inspirational story, really. A fat working class kid from Red Inn who suddenly makes it at 39. That's quite a good story. It's not like I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth and I had privilege. Do you know what I mean? There's nothing to be jealous of. Me. They look at me up there in my bad jeans and fucking sweat stained black t shirt drinking fosters out of a can and they go, I don't want to be him. I want his money, but I don't want to be him. They can laugh about it because we have to be the butt of the joke really.

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  37. I got a distended testicles. So I do that. And then you can sort of get away with more. They get it. They get the joke. And I think that's preferable to lying. I think that's preferable to me going out there and pretending to be on welfare or pretending to still care about this or that. So I joke about being rich and I do it arrogantly so that hopefully they get the irony.

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  38. One, I invite them in, I let them look behind the curtain. I go, what do you think it's brilliant being rich and famous all the time? Well, look at this. And, you know, I say it's not all. Look how I embarrassed myself in front of the queen or the first time I took a private jet, they thought I was the cook. So I let him in and go, I'm one of you, right? I shouldn't, I know I shouldn't be here. It's like I'm taking the piss, and it's not all roses. The other way I get low status is I talk about things where they're better off than me, genuinely. I talk about being old and I'm going to die soon. I'm fat. I'm going bald. I got, you know

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  39. Yeah. Yeah, right. Well, that's the important point. So traditionally, a comic is a court jester. They're down in the mud with the people making fun of the king carefully. You don't want to get off with his head. And so we have to be low status. Nowadays, people know what comedians like me earn.

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  40. Exactly, yeah. Do it once just for the image. Exactly. So as much as I sort of fear it, and I'm probably a little bit. And I joke about, you know, the general public. I ironically treat them as... Scum and say things like that.

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  41. Yeah, I mean, I also haven't got that sort of I see comedians who they caught it. They say horrible things and scummy things and they get scummy people and then they get annoyed when they're scummy people that they've pandered to act like scummy people now all my fans are I like to think are normal but they're not crazy because I haven't propagated that sort of environment do you know what I mean? I'm not on telly all the time. If I go to a, I might play 10,000 people, but I'm in the car before they're out of the door. If I started stage diving, it'd probably get a little bit hairy. You know what I mean?

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  42. Lady Gaga level things. Well, that's crazy. You're a crazy teenager. You can't get out of the car because there's a hundred people waiting for you and you have to hide and wear. Beards. That's great.

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  43. Again, slightly annoying that they haven't read the situation right. Again, but usually I'm really left alone in restaurants because they get it. I could go to places and be bothered. If I went to some sort of loud, drunken bar at 11 o'clock, I'd be bothered. If I go to a posh restaurant, I'm not bothered because you sort of create your safe spaces. We get onto that. So, no, it doesn't really bother me.

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  44. And I also thank you very much. My pleasure. And that's to me isn't being bothered. That's being a person. Being a human being, you know. If I wasn't famous and someone asked for help that it didn't take anything, I'd do it anyway. Have you got change? Yeah, I have, yeah. It's not like you don't walk away going, what a great person I am. So that means it's no skin off my nose.

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  45. Yeah, and that's nice. I never refuse. And it's always. That's nice, you know, because I hear stories of someone say, oh, so and so and so, you know, a person who's genuinely likes your work and they think they know you and they have to pluck up a bit of courage to ask for a selfie. And I see that nervous.

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  46. Well, I'm not bothered because I'm not bothered because I'm a 58 year old in a stable relationship who doesn't do drugs or gamble or break the law or go to, you know, I don't, I'm not an interesting.

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  47. Now I just want, but no, I think I, you know, I don't court it. I live in a place where I can walk around and I'm not bothered, you know

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  48. Well, sort of, but then that's like saying, I want to be able to turn it on and turn it off. I like. I like getting a seat in restaurants, you know, but I don't like people looking at me when I'm shopping for pants. Well, that's sort of tough. So all I can do is the same rights as anyone else. That's all I want. The money sorts out the privilege.

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  49. It's a happy accident, I think, and it plays into the hands of the genuinely bad people. There are real racists and there are real Nazis and there are people who are pressing, actually oppressing people and causing harm. And then the people who joke about these things, who are the poster boys, they get the brunt of it. It just makes the world slightly worse.

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  50. Exactly. Yeah. This must be amazing. For real racists to be out there and going, it's all right, everyone's a racist now. This is a great smokescreen. We've got people out there calling people who aren't Nazis Nazis, which makes us look. They don't know the real Nazis.

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