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Ro Khanna

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first: 2018-05-26
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“And it should come. You know, I really talked about my son, but he's 10 months old, and it's amazing to me with all the toys he still goes for the iPhone. And so there's something to it.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Tech, and so I asked one of these coal miners kids who was doing tech. I said, What would your brother who are in coal say to me? And they said, well, we go 10 feet under and get dirt on our face that tell that California congressman so his state can get electricity. And I said, so do they think coal is going to be there? And there's not a clear vision of something else, right? Why aren't we pouring billions of dollars into West Virginia to create new industries, new jobs? We're saying transition, but then we're not giving them what the transition is. So do you blame them for saying we'll pick the, we'll cling on to the past? No.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there's a brilliant philosopher Roberto Unger, who is a Brazilian minister, and he has this whole thing about the knowledge economy being unleashing human creativity and ingenuity and making the work that is harmful to people less necessary. But his whole point is right now that's only working for like 10%. And so if you're not getting to participate in this new economy.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, it's true. It was interesting. I was in Kentucky, it was talking to a bunch of coal mining people, and my family is coal mining background. And they were like, well, he said he's going to bring jobs. They said, let me just explain something to you. Going to be done by robots and it should be done by robots. And I'm sorry to tell you that, but you shouldn't be, humans shouldn't be coal mining. Humans shouldn't be putting things in boxes. Humans shouldn't be doing a lot of jobs that are either dangerous or stupid or mind-numbing. And they're not going to be because guess what? These big businesses. They're not hiring you to do that if robots can do it faster.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think that's where there was such a blow to people who are seeing their elected officials not know this. And that's why, I mean, I think we need more folks to spend time in Silicon Valley on these tech platforms and really have the confidence to push back.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Navigate this, you know what? Let's just default to the guy who's saying we can keep the past Donald Trump. Right. You know, the only way they're going to not default to that nostalgia is if they have confidence that these people in Washington, that people, they know what they're doing about the future and they're going to make sure that future is better for us. 100%.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think Zuckerberg's presidential hopes may have gotten dashed if not, they may not be regulation, but it'd be tough to see that. But here's, I think, why it's scary and why that hearing. Which you and I both shared frustrations were mattered more than we even think. People understand what you're saying, that we have this whole future coming, and they're scared about it. They're scared about what the rules are going to be, and they're scared about what jobs they're going to have. And so they see a bunch of people, all of us, are supposed to help chart that future, and they say, wow, we got no confidence in them to help.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Need to be asked in the questions. Well, Carrie, I think I'd support a Kara for a Senate campaign if you do decide to get in. But here's”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a link. They understand victimization. They've been victimized. And it doesn't mean they're victims. It doesn't mean they want to whine about it. But they saw it when they can't see it. So I think that's one of the things. And same thing with Congressman. When I saw that group of people asking questions, I was like, these are not the people that need to be asking the questions.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They will run over you. Like it's not just they won't pick you up, the cabs won't pick you up. They'll run over you now. You think about it. Like if they're not thinking of those issues. And the same thing on Twitter, like, well, I remember being with a Twitter engineer. Like, oh, I have never been abused on Twitter. I was like, I understand that, but everybody else is being. Like, they didn't think they didn't correct for anything that they didn't understand. So instead, we get in San Francisco, we get scooters and really great takeout.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That are important to them, and they can't help it because that's where they are. But if you can take it to an extreme, when they're doing facial recognition and it's not as good at finding people of color,”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And to think about regulation. Like, I was just at a parent teacher meeting the other day, and it was about, we were talking, you ultimately get to the whether kids should code argument in every parent in these groups of parents and stuff. It goes on and on. And it's sort of like, I can't believe we're still arguing about it. Of course, it's the language, but it doesn't mean that's just coding, not just, and that often defaults to a certain kind of student kind of thing. It was more one of the examples was that we were giving was, look, think of self-driving cars. They're coming, period, period, end of story. They're coming. We're going to have them. How do we want to regulate them? Who wants to design them? How are the algorithms going to go into them? Who's making them? And then who makes those decisions about those? Because just a simple thing, facial recognition. Who's designing what's happening around facial recognition? People of color are going to left out of this. They're not getting recognized as quickly. Because it's being designed by a certain kind of guy, like a white guy who's designing it, making the decision.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And yes, it's symbolism, but the symbolism matters. It says you can do this too. And I think, so I think the tech companies can engage in some of the symbolism, but also really thinking about distributed networks of jobs, but they need the federal government to partner, and the federal government has to have a huge role. And to think about regulation.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When you have the hardships, you keep going because you know that there's light at the end of the tunnel. For so many Americans, they don't see the light. They don't see the future.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And this struck me when I was in Oakland and Merritt College, and they had asked me to help set up some internships at companies. And Facebook, to their credit, took a few of these kids who were doing cybersecurity. And I talked to one of them, and he said, Rob, thanks for making that introduction. And I said, oh, great. He said, let me tell you what that meant. I'm an autore mechanic. I think building is building, whether you build cars or you build on a computer platform. I've got a young kid, I've got a family. I take this class in the weekends and I do my homework and it ends up adding 30 hours to my week. And there are many, many days that I think, is it really worth it? Well, after I did that internship, I'm not going to quit, right? So many people like me, we saw opportunity at every stage of our life. When I was in college, when I was in high school. And so when you have the breakup.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Grant into places that don't have them. And then, if I were a tech company, I would think about what can I do symbolically to get more people invested in the digital economy success. Two quick points. When Hillary was running, I told John Podesta, I was just a candidate. I said, instead of coming out for the 15th fundraiser in my district, have one of these tech leaders go out and announce 500 jobs in Ohio. And he said, oh, that'll be PR. It's like the carrier deal. It's not really substantive. Well, first of all, the guy who did the PR won. Good point? The reason he won is because he sent a signal to people that he cared about them.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think it's all of the above, but I think Congress needs to lead. One of the things we ought to do is create tech institutes across America. There's a National Science Foundation as a grant that does this in 60 to 70 places. But like the land grant colleges, let's create these institutes.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Moral responsibility. And Leslie Jobs, you just mentioned them a couple times, and you and I have talked about this before, and you know it's one of my big issues, automation, robotics, AI, self-driving, all these things. Where is Congress going to be on that issue? Who's responsible is my big thing? Is it the tech companies? Is it citizenry? Is it Congress? Is it government? Where is the responsibility?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In the new economy, is that going to kill you to do things there? No. So do the things you can do which aren't going to be existential threats to your business. And I think there is a spectrum. I think people, there are some people like Tim Cook, and he's not perfect, but who get that, who talk about a business and moral responsibility”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You've been slow rolled. You don't even know it. No, no. I mean, if there's any lesson they should learn, I think it should be overcorrect. Unless something is an existential threat to your business. Do it. If something is really an existential threat, fine, but is it going to be an existential threat to have stronger privacy regulations? No. Is it going to be an existential threat to allow other platforms to emerge and have some competition? No. Is it going to be an existential threat to think about what you could do for job creation and the fact that when John Lewis is saying in an op-ed I wrote that technology rights or the new civil rights, that you have whole communities that don't have equity? Absolutely.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that's what I don't get. And I think that there's they mishandled, I mean, they should have had Zuckerberg testify a year ago. They dragged their feet and didn't turn out that badly for”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And it's heading down I was like, what? And the numbers show, it's fallen, and Facebook's brand has fallen. But wouldn't you want to get ahead of that? Wouldn't you want to say that?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Anyone. Oh, it's definitely headed down. And it's heading down. I've noticed that among my kids, I was literally in an elevator, and two elevator guys were talking about Facebook privacy. And I was like, what?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I do think that if they want to avoid that and if they want to avoid the anti-immigrant backlash and they want to avoid the anti-globalization backlash, they need to get ahead of gaining the public trust by supporting and really implementing privacy policies and taking seriously their obligation to having a reasonable democratic conversation, not having false lies and propaganda and considering jobs. And I think they don't understand how much they have to lose. And maybe I get it because I'm in a body that has 8% approval rating. People don't trust members of Congress. They don't trust politicians. Heck is on the precipice. They have some of the highest approval ratings any industry has had. If I were in one of those positions, I would say, wow, what an asset and a time where people don't trust anyone.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not wholesale. No, I don't think. Not yet. I mean, if there are ways, you know, I wouldn't have approved the WhatsApp merger. I wouldn't have approved the merger with Instagram. And I certainly think it ought to be reviewed. And I don't think they ought to be treated like a utility where they'll have a guaranteed rate of profit and have the government.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, and the federal government, but benefiting from this trend and this change of the economy. I mean, they have gone, they have a 2 billion people. I'm not that concerned about their ability to innovate. I will defend them when people say, okay, let's just break them up because they're too big without any thought or let's treat them like a utility. But if they want to avoid that.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think that the regulations on privacy or the regulations about data are going to have some mass exodus from Facebook or Google or is going to impose some huge costs on them. They have been such beneficiaries because of creativity, innovation, genius in some cases, but also based on the internet.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm going to end up talking about what then comes next. If these companies are regulated, they're facing enormous competition in China from all across the world. Are you worried about the, I'm using, I'm doing their side. Yeah, no. The tamping down of innovation.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Point that the bill should start, especially if we have the majority when we have the majority so you don't get some totally watered down privacy bill, which is what the Republicans would propose that allows them to claim they've done something and not have any of these real principles.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There are some of the libertarian members who are interested in privacy, but then they default on those committees to defining privacy the way AT&T, Comcast, and the Internet Service Providers define it. And they basically want to go after the Facebooks, Googles, and social media companies because they feel like those companies have made billions of dollars and they're not getting their fair share. And it becomes when it devolves into the congressional debate, the internet service providers versus the edge providers. If you took that out of it and you said, let's just get the basic principles and not. Privacy. I think there will be some that could be sympathetic, but I do think that the bill, and I'm sympathetic to Frank Pallone, who's the ranking members.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How that's worked. Yeah, yeah. They're in a hard position in lots of ways running. It's big as it is. It's got challenges everywhere you go. I would not want to, as a tough company to run. But when you have all these competing, like I said, so you get the Republicans in on it, you feel like they're interested in it because it seems like they're interested in nothing, like almost nothing.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Perfect sense to me. You should just disclose it. The one thing I will give, I've been critical of ATT and a lot of the net neutrality issues, others, but maybe one of the interesting things someone told me he was doing is taking linemen at AT&T, giving them full paid credentialing and education and getting them jobs in a totally different field and a different career. And that'd be interesting if you have him on to see how that's worked.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, no, he's not happy about that. He's going to have to answer those questions. I'm not, you know, people are like, oh, I can't believe he did that. I'm like, of course he did it. Why wouldn't he do it? It makes perfect sense to me.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we can make progress with the Republicans right now. The reality is Republicans have been very sympathetic to the AT&Ts and Comcasts and the Internet service providers. And that's just been the divide that they have. So they are less concerned about privacy. I mean, AT&T has got the AT&T Bill of Rights, which is a little bit laughable, if you ask me.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And the groups against him. So Center for Public Knowledge, Center Democracy and Technology. I've met with Open Markets Institute. I've met with Free Press, the Electronic Frontier.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, in the Senate side, we haven't, you know, they have their own process. So we've been very house-specific. But, I mean, obviously they're thoughtful people. They're like Ed Marky and Amy Klovishar, Senator Kennedy. Senator Warner. Senator Warner. But our focus is can we get the House caucus with some of these principles? Can I get some of the tech leaders to endorse the framework? And then can the group?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That legislation is going to have to go through the Energy and Commerce Committee. But if you can get the principles, then I think once the Democrats hopefully are in charge. In the Senate, it's going to have to go through the Energy and Commerce Committee”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Push back that one extra level, and it doesn't require. I'm a lawyer by training, I don't have, it's not like I know how to code or I've worked at these companies. It's just doing the homework and saying, here's where we need to push back. So we're going to get a number of these principles that are going to have teeth. The goal is then to get the thoughtful tech leaders. I think I'm lobbying to see if we can get Tim Cook and others out for it because I think that will send a big message that something can happen. Once we get the principles, then I think it will be time for draft legislation.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because it's a huge burden on them to have people having to consent. And so at one point Not going to mention the names, but some of these lobbyists said, or people from these companies were in there, and they said, Ro you can't have consent. You're going to have to click on everything, click on every time you see an ad and you don't want consent. And I said, look at the language. It says consent if you collect information or you give it to a third party. It doesn't say consent on every use case. They kind of paused, and I said, Yeah, that distinction matters. But here's the point it's not you have to be able to push back with them because they will come up with an extreme case. And then that's what happened in the hearings. And then some of the members of Congress, they didn't.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, then I'll get blasted by people like you. Yeah, exactly. But that's a danger. That's the danger here. I may not know The right to knowing your data, I think, is critical. It's a key part because you can then request information about how people obtained your data, if they're going to give your data away, the right to consent in a meaningful way. And that's the one that's most controversial. These tech companies don't want consent part of it. And so for the...”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, all right. And so you create this Bill of Rights Which could you presumably don't want it a watered down version where it says nothing, right? No, then I'll get blasted by people like you. Yeah, exactly. But that's the danger. That's the danger here. It's like it's sort of a catch-all, is it a dessert topping? Is it a floor wax kind of thing? I don't know what it is. That's an old Saturday night live I may not know. So you want to have some certain people have the right to privacy online like people have the right to so those kind of things will be in there. What else belongs in there?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They have, and they certainly are on the hill, but I'm not convinced that that is what is preventing the regulation. I think one, it's a lack of full understanding. It's a lack of prioritizing going and doing something about it. There's the divide between the legacy companies, the AT&T, Comcast, and the edge providers, Facebook, Google, and Amazon. And I think that those divisions are partly what's causing the gridlock. But I don't think it's as simple as saying, well, Google is lobbying and that's why someone isn't going to regulate them. Right.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I think that there was this sense of zero price monopolies. They don't charge a price. There's no problem with it. And Robert Borick defined antitrust law to be all about consumer welfare. And that was a turn for the worst. And basically under Borick's definition, if someone wasn't getting charging a price, it didn't matter. And it goes to lived experience, right? When I have to go buy an epipen because I've got allergies and I realize, wow, it could cost $4,000, but I have insurance folks who don't have insurance, they say, we don't want to pay $3,000 for medicine or $1,000. Those pharmaceutical companies, they're evil. My grandmother, my mom, is not getting my son. Is it getting medicine because of that? That's something very, very tangible. When it's the internet and you're not paying anything and you're saying, yeah, but there are these costs of propaganda, there's the cost of privacy, it's a bit more abstract.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Any sense of okay, should we review this merger, even if we're going to approve this merger, should there be a tax because of the cost on society?”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Different, they are. Marguerite Vestager just on their tail. She's not going away. And the FTC doesn't have the staff and they don't have the resources. And I personally, I mean, there's a different opinion. I wouldn't wholesale adopt the European regulatory model. I do think that there's something to the First Amendment innovation. But the answer can't be out of a scale of 1 to 10, Europe's regulations, a 9, we're at a zero. I mean, why can't we get to a four or a five? And there's some very, very simple things we could do. We should have, for example, mergers, right? In retrospect, we should have looked when Facebook was saying, I'm going to buy up Instagram and buy up WhatsApp. These were direct competitors. Why was there not any...”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which you get a sense that they're different. They are. They do have like apples different from Facebook. So, how do you then, when you put regulation in place, you were talking about Europe, which is highly regulated. Marguerite Vestager just on their tail. She's not going away. They're like, oh, we're going to shake her. I'm like, you're not shaking that woman until she has you down. She's going to have you down. But here you have Europe doing this a lot of regulation. And then here, zero. They let the FTC, whatever agency just lets them go every time they get near something. Right.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's the case, but they are you talk to Apple or Google or others today, and they will spend more time saying how they're different and the other ones are the bad actors. And I said, well, from the...”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And if you talk to them, as I know you do, they are actually paranoid with competing with each other. Now, I'm not saying it can.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's a good point. That's another good point. But when you're talking about this regulation, it's harder to do when you have this many companies this powerful. And so you literally can't point to one that's making trouble. They're all making trouble.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He should not speak. One point which I would have told him is you know, 90% of our GDP used to go to income, 56 or 60% goes now. What do you think that wasn't automation? I mean, I just wonder how do they get these people to be running the country's treasury department? Yeah, that's a good point.”
2018-05-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Congressman Ro Khanna · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT