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Roberta Jacobson

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first: 2018-09-27
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“Then what's left simply continues to justify the anti government types who think that we shrink government down to till we can strangle it and drown it in the bathtub. I am worried about that. And we are going to have to increase our intake, I think, fairly rapidly to fill the gap. But there are still some extraordinary officers. You have to support them and you have to listen to them. Pompeo is better at listening, certainly, than I think Secretary Tillerson was, but the policies have not changed. And the denigration of diplomacy has not changed. And that worries me greatly.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I had, oh, I can't tell you how many officers in Mexico who came to me and said, What do I do? I don't think I should stay, you know, help me talk through this. And I said to them, look, you'll make your own decision. But I got to tell you, you need to stay. The work you do every day is not honestly what I do. It's not something that's going to keep you awake at night because you disagree with it. It's important work on behalf of the American people. And if all the good people leave,”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's worrisome to me, and I'm actually going to be working with the American Academy of Diplomacy and Tom Pickering on some work that they're doing. About what you do to rebuild. The thing that I worry about the most is, yes, you lost a bunch of senior folks myself, Tom Shannon, Bill Brownfield, other people who've been ambassadors, et cetera. But we all had 30 plus years in. That's not a tragedy. It's a brain drain of a sort, but we were ready to move on. You're also losing a lot of young people, not just people who aren't taking the exam, but they didn't have any incoming classes, and those are chosen from people who've taken the exam.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The agreement would sunset after five years, which makes it all three parties explicitly wanted to said to continue it. So it reverses the onus in a sense. Instead of having to say if you want to get out, you have to act if you want to stay in, which gives no certainty for investors, other things like that, which we had to back down on.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We've struggled, but we've also made some demands that, frankly, were just non starters. The sunset clause, which had to be”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, politically, you can sell something like that because you can tell your population, yes, but for the first time we got X, and that's going to benefit more people. And so when you pull out of TPP and now you essentially go back to the table with only two of those partners and say, we'd like the same thing, please, but with none of the benefits we were getting from the other nine players, it is not necessarily surprising that”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you're exactly right. TPP was, and this is what we were talking points under the end of the Obama administration, and I truly believe this. When people talk about modernizing NAFTA, TPP was the modernization of NAFTA. It gave us the things it updated, put in digital commerce, and talked about energy, intellectual property, gave us access to things in markets we've been closed out of. So in Canada, there's been all this talk about dairy. Well, the Canadians gave on dairy in TPP, which was really hard, partly because the Japanese were opening up.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, talked extensively about this and Hamilton in the federalist papers and I do worry that Loba's Obrador talks his language, you know, sounds an awful lot like I alone can do X or Y. He is dismissive of institutions. I confirm some of that language Exactly.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're going to make that change. The Atlantic issue on is democracy dying has a great Jeff Rosen piece about the decision between direct democracy and representative democracy and how direct democracy might work for 15 people in Athens a millennia or more ago, but it results in sort of mob rule when you try it for a larger group. And so I worry about some of the”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The short answer to that is both. I think it depends on the issue. I think we've already seen that he can be highly pragmatic and conventional and pro-business, if you will, pro-free trade on certain issues. The peso stabilized almost immediately after his election, despite fears, and that's because he was reassuring the markets of what he was going to do. On the other hand, he has majorities in Congress. I don't know what the check will be on him, and he is talking about direct democracy via plebiscite and referenda that I find deeply, deeply worrying. And part of the reason I find it worrying is watching Chavez do just that at the beginning of his own term. We don't need representative democracy.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But you work as strenuously as you can with local governments in Central America and messaging about what you will get when you come here and what you won't and you do return some people. Because the traffickers, the coyotes, they put out word that if you go, you can stay. That's what people are told, despite what they might hear from the administration. But Janet Napolitano said it right when she said, as governor of Arizona, you show me a ten foot wall I'll show you an eleven foot ladder. People are going to come if the economic incentives or the violence makes it such that that calculus of their children's lives, as bad as that trip is, it's better here.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's simply not true. Yes, the numbers are up. They're not yet up to where they were in 2014, but they're up. There's no doubt. Part of that is because our legal system does give people the right, and I hope we'll continue to petition for asylum. People are leaving a combination of economic situations and violence, and you have to sort that out because our laws treat those folks differently. The only way to really make a difference is to invest in Central America and in the causes of that migration. And that's what Vice President Biden and the initiative on Central America was designed to do when we began it at the very end of the Obama administration, but that's a longer term problem. And meanwhile, it seems to me that you You don't go around picking up immigrants who haven't committed any crime or are not high on a priority list”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We're talking about $1.7 billion of trade a day. And so, you know, everything we do to slow down humans also slows down legal commerce, which would be a disaster for us.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Mexico's numbers have been decreasing for a long time now, a number of years. Part of that's demographic. They're a graying population. Something that actually, by the way, will happen in Central America in about five years. So this will ebb naturally, but I understand that's not necessarily what you want to wait for. If you go down to the border, one of the things that always struck me in the years I spent there is it's not like Washington and it's not like Mexico City. It is more like each other on the two sides of the border than it is like the rest of their countries. It is a sort of third way It is an incredible place because of the commerce that goes across the legal goods and people.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just want to say one thing about that because I was trying to think of what to tweet, right? And what I wanted to tweet was a retweet from somebody else in government who might be saying something rational. And I could only find a couple of examples and all they would have done is make it clear that I couldn't retweet the president. And so in the end, I wrote something very personal about my father as a Jewish soldier in World War II not fighting so that we could have neo-Nazis walking on the streets of Charlottesville. And it was very positively received in Mexico, but it was sort of the only thing I felt I could say because my own government response was”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And eventually it got to the point where I just thought I am having no influence. And when you do the cost-benefit analysis of where you can have more influence and where you can sleep at night again, I just felt. And Charlottesville was particularly difficult.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, what's interesting is I work pretty closely with his office, including a number of conversations with him, and he came to see me during that visit. It was his first meeting, was to come see me, but then I wasn't to attend the two meetings with the government. So it was an odd amalgam, right? You're doing a great job. We love what you're doing, but don't come with us when we go see the government. And that's incredibly undermining to an ambassador. Yeah, sure.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they talked so much about a Republican party that was committed to this relationship. And that was part of what gave me hope was Secretary Tillerson and Secretary Kelly when he was at DHS were there early in February. But the day that they were there, right before we were due to go over to the foreign ministry and have our talks and a press conference, President Trump at the White House said maybe we will send the military to Mexico. And so it became impossible to respond to these things because they just kept happening. Plus Jared Kushner was”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was an ugly place for a while. I think my head, you know, I think what for me, the goal was, can I make a difference in this relationship? Or maybe because there's a president who seems so hostile to Mexico? And so I stayed in part because I thought, well, let me see if I can make a difference. Let me see if I can make this relationship, put it back into a positive place. The first visitor we had after the election from the Congress was Senator Flake, who was deeply committed to the relationship. The second from the Senate was John McCain.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. I think it's extraordinary. One of the early sort of bets of an ambassador was Tom Barrick, who's close to the president.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Given the provocation story in Mexico. Yeah, and I've not understood that, and there's nobody in the pipeline, and I left in May, partly because somebody who had been was a very close friend of Secretary Tillerson's and I think withdrew when he was fired. Which I don't know for sure. I just suspect that.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was sort of head spinning, and I've been through, I think at that point I had been through five transitions, right? Some of which were more hostile takeovers than others. But this was extraordinary. And obviously I was also in a more senior position. What I had to keep myself from remembering sometimes was that the other thing the ambassador is called, in a descriptive sense, is the president's personal representative. And all of a sudden, I was President Trump's personal representative, and I was not asked to resign. I was the only ambassador in a G20 country.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it is what I've always believed, which is an inexorable opening and closeness. The astonishing thing that you probably found when you were there is no matter how bad the relationship gets or got in the past, Cubans really like America. And Americans who go there really like Cubans. My parents had their honeymoon there before the revolution. I think the sad part is how long it's taking.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. Especially generationally. But my counterpart, for example, in the talk, Josephine Naidal. Yes. Was about the same age as me, and people were fascinated by two women negotiating this But Josephina is slightly younger than me, but So she's post revolutionary. And I've met very few horrors hardline as she is. So it's not only age related.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and there are still two dozen or so people who are being treated and had what may be permanent damage. But now you've seen this in Guangzhou in China. There's some reporting, which may or may not be similar, that there was some incident in Kazakhstan years ago with an AID person, which may have been similar. You know, I know that right now a lot of attention is focused on Russia. Recent articles suggesting that, in fact, the Russians may have been behind this. I think what we can say is that Whether or not the Cuban government carried out the attacks, you can't do anything on that island without someone in government knowing. Even people more sophisticated perhaps than like the Russians or so forth. On the other hand, People who knew may have been people who were not happy with the relationship going because there was”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The pretext, yeah. Cover for like removing people. But of course, they had changed the regulations and tightened them and grew.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Although the President Trump ran on reversing the policy. He went to Miami and spurred by Senator Rubio and others gave a speech that was, you know, 30 years old, it seemed to me. The rhetoric was so old that And so yes, the The attacks gave you”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tame for half a century, and they had watched China and Vietnam, and they understood that those countries had managed to modernize economically without opening too much, but they thought geographically that would be impossible for them. So they've walked this tightrope and... And in many ways, I don't think that Raoul ever took advantage of the opening we were giving him. Yes, a lot more Americans could go and travel there. But there were other possibilities that Cuba had to make some reforms internally for them to work And they never did. They still did.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“that Cuba had become an irritant in all of our relationships in Latin America, that to an outsized degree, because the country had very little ability to make trouble anywhere anymore, it was continuing to rally people against us and therefore the reason for taking this step was he wanted to think of one thing that would change that whole conversation with the rest of the hemisphere, not just with Cuba. And he also understood. That it was one of the things that the Cubans had never actually asked for. Because It worried them a little bit. In the list of things they often gave me, Bill Richardson when he visited others that they wanted from us to release Allen Gross or have a better relationship, normalization was never on their list.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And there had been others attempted over the years, and there were various things that made it work this time and got Alan released by the summer. Ben briefed me on what was happening. And I have to say all of it made sense to me, and I suspected, and it was fascinating because during part of that period, I didn't know what Secretary Carey knew, and I don't think he knew what I knew. So we talked very elliptically about these things until I was finally briefed in. And I knew he had been briefed in, of course, before. And when we were able to have conversations about it, but one of the things that never occurred to me of the deals we might make was that normalizing diplomatic relations would be part of it. But it was the president understood.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We would get crosswise unless I was brought in. I also think, and I haven't read Ben's book, so I have to, I don't know whether he deals with it. But I also think that the State Department detailee probably told me a little more than he was allowed to because he was a colleague and he knew I wasn't going to reveal it. And I think in that particular case, when it has to be truly secret, when you can't have things released prematurely because they're so sensitive, I think that is in some ways exactly what a political appointee at the White House, close to the president. The Cubans wouldn't have negotiated with anybody else at that point.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In Jewish community, right? Which I always thought was the height of irony because knowing the Jewish community in Cuba, as I do, they're probably one of the few who actually had connections to the outside world. They probably needed it less than many other communities, but regardless, we got an awful lot of money from Congress that we didn't know quite how to use at certain times, which was part of the problem. But Ben and Ricardo began those conversations and What happened in a sense was as I was pursuing trying to get Alan released, we got to about May, June, July before the December announcement in 2014 that the president made of the opening of diplomatic relations, and there was a concern, I think, by them that”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, not initially. And I was working very aggressively. Put in jail for five years for bringing in communications. He was a U.S.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Real estate, financial institutions, all sorts of areas that, you know, would be. Difficult to pursue. But I think really need to be.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think partly because there is a concern about how much money might be affected. We're talking about an industry that's estimated to be over $18 billion a year, probably significantly more. And it's very embedded in both financial institutions.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are investigations done, there are often regulations put in place, but like so many other things in Mexico, the implementation is really paralyzed. The number of prosecutions on financial crimes is almost nil. Some are done if there's a connection to the United States in the U.S. But we really haven't seen Mexico go away after the money in Mexico. But by the same token, I'm not sure we have. When we sit down with Mexico, we're constantly telling them what they should be doing in their financial system to make it more transparent, to know your customer, et cetera. And that's all true for anti-money laundering legislation. But there are a lot of things we could be doing too, which would help that dialogue.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You must attend to this or it grows, and that's what happened. Mexico still has fewer police per hundred thousand than any similar country. It's got over 400,000 local and state cops and a tenth of that at the federal level. They are a federal system like we are, so you've got to work with the states, but there's never really been a comprehensive effort. Now, I think on the financial side, there are powerful interests in Mexico who have not wanted”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, the response, I think, at least while I was there was mixed. I don't think the current government in Mexico, Enrique Pendineto's government, which is about to depart on December 1st after six years, I don't believe they ever had a security strategy. They had pieces of one, but nothing comprehensive, partly because he wanted to turn away from focus on security towards focus on the economic and commercial side. And whether you like talking about it or not, hard to separate those things. Well, I think that's right. And I think also you have to...”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's slower, it's harder in some ways. That's ironic, but in some ways it's harder. The US is, I don't believe that we've ever done against narcotics financing what we did for better or worse against terrorist financing. We haven't necessarily put in the same strictures. Some of that is because it's a huge problem. It's so much bigger in terms of the amount of the amount of money that's in the U.S. financial system. But if we don't go after the money, and some of this I saw beginning to happen in Mexico, literally going after the accountants, you know, Al Capone style. Going after the guys who knew where the money was. Which is critical”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Over the same turf. And that's exactly what's happened in Mexico. That's exactly. So you might have had five cartels when I first came to this issue, and now you have 20 or 25. And that could change six months from now, depending on who's up or who's down. And so it's fine to go after those high-value targets. I agree with you. Those people ought to be in jail. But if you don't go after the money and you don't go after the whole infrastructure, it's a little bit like saying I want to muscle Walmart out of business, but I'm only going to focus on the CEO or Sam Walton when he existed. When he was alive. So you didn't end Walmart when Sam Walton died. You're not going to end the cartels by extraditing Chapel. You've got to look at these as transnational corporations. So you've got to focus on their consumers.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it suggests a militaristic response to something that is a much more multifaceted phenomenon and because it's become associated with, this is a little bit of the same theme with what we sometimes call the hard side stuff, whether you're giving armored vehicles or helicopters or things like that and not what people say I think can be the most important part, which is reform of the judicial sector, training to your police, vetting so that you know you've got honest cops. Those things get forgotten when you talk about a war on drugs. But if we're talking about the body count, hell yes, it's a war. But the Mexicans in some ways were highly successful. They'll tell you that of the one hundred twenty two high value targets or head of cartels or kingpins, they've now killed or captured, extradited over one hundred tenths.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's certainly true. And if you look at homicides that are drug related, there can be no doubt that they are at historic highs, 29 to 31,000 people dying last year in Mexico. Astonio. And what I also remind people is we had over 60,000 people dying in this country. We don't, I hate the term drug war, but when Mexicans sometimes hate it.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To spend that money, where are the Mexicans going to spend theirs? And that has to be agile and has to shift because the cartels, the transnational criminal organizations are always more agile than governments. They're always ahead of us. They don't respect boundaries or laws. Those constraints don't get in their way. And so it has to be shifting. Otherwise it won't be responding to the threat of the day.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Succeeded President Fox from the same party the Pawn, there was a recognition not only that they needed the help and expertise that we could bring, but also that if this really was shared responsibility, as Secretary Clinton said later, but we began to talk about, then we had to be part of the solution in both countries, not just by reducing demand, but helping the Mexicans confront the trade. When people say the Merida initiative failed because there are still drugs coming in or there's still violence, I think the thing to remember is that the initiative itself was a process. The initiative itself is not how much money is in the U.S. budget, considerably less than there used to be, or what things are being done with it. It's the process of sitting down U.S. government to Mexican government and deciding what are our joint priorities, where we going.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, the Merit Initiative is both fascinating and often misunderstood because like Plan Columbia, It is a foreign assistance program, right, of much smaller scope, Mexico being an OECD country and never having accepted USAID in the past, right? This was something they never wanted for sovereignty reasons, but I think under President Calderone, there was a recognition.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When Colombian drug lords having largely been vanquished in terms of their control of the cocaine industry, the Mexican cartels were on the rise and moving into that territory.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Colorfully But, you know, it was Mexico opened economically with NAFTA in 1994 and really before Selenas had that vision. It didn't open politically until much later two thousand and beyond, but one of the things I think is that's lost in the NAFTA debate today is that NAFTA was never just a trade agreement. It was the Mexicans like to say uncambio de chip. It was a change in the chip in the whole way of thinking in Mexico about opening to the world, including being willing to allow scrutiny of Mexico's own human rights record and institutions. Fox passed the first freedom of information act law and created an institute to run that. He tried to get civil service reform. The Congress became more of a player instead of a rubber stamp. Governors from other parties took power and some of the power became, some power was decentralized. So it was a really interesting time in Mexico, but it was also a time when”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Can have a real impact. And, you know, I was in Peru for two years and three presidents. And ultimately, Madeleine Albright, who was secretary at the time, had the ability to overturn the Foreign Service Grievance Board on foreign policy grounds, and she did, and so she gave me two years instead of three, which would have been a normal tour. And they were some of the most fascinating of my life.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was taken to the OAS, and at a meeting, an OAS General Assembly that was held in Windsor in Canada that year, it became known as the Windsor Process in which the states of the region were called upon to help Peru go through that transition back to democracy. It was a very successful process. I joke with people. An example of where...”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Deeply in what was called the Windsor process, which the case of Fujimori's shutting down Congress some years earlier, ruling by decree, yes.”
2018-09-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 272 — Roberta Jacobson · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source