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Robin Zeng

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first: 2024-09-18
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“For my donation, you usually go to this very, very poor children. We donate some money for them to have some people to care, just talk, touch or play together. So I joined some international program for the children. So I believe if we can CATR can invest in the manufacturing plant in some poor area. So their family, no need to move out to come out to the big city to work, to leave the children in the hometown. So that's why we invest the manufacturing place in Guizhou and manufacturing in Henan, all these areas to help them, they can have family there. So such kind of things for me is much happier and maybe more stronger in the rural area.”
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“We have very difficult economics and my hometown is very poor. For me, one, I think we have confidence because we believe we can overcome all the difficulties once we have a chance. Number two is we have a very strong mind. We are not easy to beat anywhere because we have experience. Number three is we are not much too much looking at the wealthies. Because we have experienced so poor and we have no problem on that. So we say that people almost told me, why don't you enjoy your life? You can buy a yard. For me, there is not much joy. We have to overcome the difficulties to do something great to support people, poor people, and also support this renewable energy in the world. It will be very happy. So usually I like to invest the manufacturing plant in the related poor area.”
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“There's two ways one is my philosophy. I don't want to be the rich guy in the richest guy or whatever. It doesn't mean. So I want to share this rich or wealthy to many people to try to create the good society, especially for the sustainability. This is the number one refine from my wealthy. Second is I need to refine myself to be more stronger body. Otherwise, it's always tired, you cannot fight. The passion is very important. Otherwise, it cannot lasting. for longer the third thing i'm now trying very hard to find successors so this is three things is in my mind now is a more top priorities”
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“And also we are using Chinese culture, we call it refine. So everyone has to refine themselves and enable others. Then to drive innovation. We're always, how to say, successfully introduce Chinese traditional thinking of refine, enable, and strive innovation”
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“Our culture We have a wish, we try to be a very innovative technology company in the world, especially focus on renewable energy and try to do the excellent contribution to the human society in renewable energies. On the other hand, we try to create a platform which helps the individuals to fight, to grow their spillage and material well-being actually is money. So we need to give them more stop options and also help them to really fighting for their growth, especially innovations and also the confidence by themselves become a better man. The focus on renewable energy. People believe Meaningful in this journey, especially working in Seattle. Now it's 15 million cars, 15 million cars in the world powered by Seattle Barries. So think about that. You already helped to reduce a lot of carbon.”
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“So three orders increase the quality level to fit for the usage of this energy storage. So it's difficult. Everyone, if everyone tell you it's good, 10 years later, they will pay, maybe five years later, they have to pay a lot of money.”
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“Think about a 1.5 million cells plus all the electronics, mechanicals, thermal management put into the system and plus in this software, the whole one gigawatt hour batteries energy storage system contains maybe 9 million of the components. Similar as the Boeing 787. When you control your quality in one out of PPM, that means every day you have the components problem. You have to maintain that, you have to repair that, you have a lot of maintenance costs in the future and also degradation is different. Consistency is very, very difficult to control. That's why for CATL we want to put the battery manufacturing quality up to PPB level.”
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“Energy storage in my mind is similar or maybe half size of transportation. But energy storage is more difficult than transportation, you know, because they need lasting 20-25 years. But many people think it is easier because they say this is stationary, don't move. Yes or no. Number two is the energy study usually is a huge pack. For example, one gigawatt battery whole system, it contains at least 1.5 million cells.”
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“Yeah, I have a two-faced in Europe. One is in Germany, now one is in Hungary. Now the supply chain, we established the supply chain gradually. Now still majority from China. That's why, for example, in Norway, we definitely can work together because you have a very low cost of hydropower. So we can make graph fight together. Graphite is one of the most important energy consumption.”
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“Probably is our advantage. So we have to very carefully understand the advantage of the different material and especially chemistry system. Food will be the winner. Then we can judge.”
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“Supply chain usually people have to look at the supply chain by the applications. For example, several years ago people said, wow, it's very important because battery will go into big applications. That's why you need to have US in Nickel, especially in cobalt mining. I don't understand we can have making the structure change innovations to reduce the COPOL applications. So COPPO from 33% reduced to 3%. And also even now we can remove the cobalt, then we use the ion phosphate. Then the cobal becomes zero. Nico becomes zero. So only the technology people fully understand the trend of the development applications in the future, who to know, who to choose what kind of mining is good mining investment.”
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“We are working hard on that. Try to make two times compared today or 1.5 times. So we can use this battery to the very high end car, which would need energy density for the speed on the higher range.”
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“Saudi Arabia is quite mature. We already have the production, small production to the some of the car makers. The only problem is quite a little bit lower energy density compared with ion phosphate today. That's why when phosphate is cheaper, people tend to select ion phosphate rather than sodium ion. But we have developed the second generation of sodium ion, which can be a very good compared with the first generation. So we believe even be 20 to 30 percent of replacement of lithium ion phosphate in a smaller car on a shorter range of the cars at an initial stage. Battery is, I'm proud of that because it is very good in Evoto application. It's very expensive today.”
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“I have been taught this for many times of different people. The basic showstopper is still the interface, solid and solid interface whenever Kessel material with the electrolyte. So solid electrolyte, solid powder, so nomaterial or solid powder, solid interface definitely the problem of the diffusions. Speak of diffusions is Liquid electorite. That's why people have to put pressure to put the two solid powder together, very heavy pressures, then make it work. But in the real application days, how can you get the heavy pressures? So that's why it's fundamental Science and technology issues, but we have to overcome by different things, different new invention of materials, new invention of the process, so it takes time. So in terms of technology readiness level, I put at the four, level four.”
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“I don't see too much, actually it's relation. You know, when industry is small, when we start from mobile phone, the technology growing like a line is not acceleration. But when you put more money, more people inside now, everyone looking for the innovations. So innovation speak is assassinate. And we believe there will be another new industry, a new chemistry come out. That's why when we put our product, when we invest our production line, we have to put the production line, Depreciation had to be five years. Otherwise, we won it. So new things come out.”
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“We call the Ranger Standard. So we can planning together to make a whole Norway as number one in the world to be the zero carbon technology renewable energy nations in the world. I think it takes around 10 years in 2025. We work together where we make it. And also you will be very happy to have a lot of income from all this kind of different things.”
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“For the badly application side, we just talk about this e-mobility and boat also and Ivoto also, even the bullet train. Since Norway is definitely a very advanced nation for this renewable energy, maybe we can work together to make planning, to make Norway, the whole Norway become zero carbon society. So I have a confidence how to mapping up electricity zero carbon is important. You have almost 90% hydropower, right? Then you add up another 10% maybe from wind turbine from the sea. And another size is immorbilities, your passenger car penetration, you know, already 995. And also we can make it a pot, electrifications, and also can help also even the vessel”
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“Yes, Staffrom Nalon is high. Immediately, if they don't understand the electrical chemistry side, as I mentioned, the design will be wrong. They never covered the risk of the future risk. That's why the performance testing in one day looks good. Then you want to scale up. They want to put the process. The process never covers what you need in the future.”
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“Not only that. I talked to many people, European battery makers, CEOs while they cannot make a good product. It's because they have a wrong design. And secondly, they have a wrong process. Thirdly, they have wrong equipment. How can I scale up? If they want to scale up that, they will have you problem utilization problem. And later on they will behave reliability problem. And two years, three years later, there will be a safety problem. So almost all mistake together. So I don't know how”
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“So most difficult things is understanding of electrical chemical system in the real world. And other things follow is, as I mentioned, you have to last 20, 25 years. Let's try Hyoplet and accurately assassination test to indicate the Israeli richlet kind of level. It's another difficulty in reliabilities. And the scale up productions and low cost. Everyone looking for very low cost battery because they always compare battery with the gathering engine. Internal combustion engine which have developed more than 100 years optimize and optimize. That's why they push too much burden on the batteries.”
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“I think all 20,000 people in your hometown is all talents, so we need to find out what kind of talents, what kind of use may not be electrical chemistry.”
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“I know United States and students don't want to focus on this. They want to focus on finance, focus on semiconductors. They need to get higher pay from the lease. But China is a lot of students who have to go into university. That's why they find more study on electrical chemistries. Why we have a lot of talents compared to US compared to Germany. So if US-Germany want to catch up or want to overtake in the battery side, probably they have to start from the education”
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“Almost 12 years ago when Angela Mook visited China, we had some discussions among that. At that time, German people already thinking about how why they cannot make a good battery is because they make a radical engines, they make a very good gearbox. So, you know, German people think they can make very good batteries. That's why when we have some discussions on that, I told them fortunately unfortunately China have a lot of universities still working on electrical. So usually electrical chemistry is Where the lower end people are looking at because if you graduated from electrical chemistry. You cannot find a good job, you know. You can only find people for the lesser batteries. You only find a job for the anti-corrosions. So all this kind of low paid job. That's why being very old theory.”
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“Least 20,000 people is some people focus on basic material structures, some people focus on silo agents, some people focus on the interlation on the materialist. Some people focus on the future chemistry. For example, we call the AI for science. Need to use artificial intelligence to try to find out the necessary material and chemical system beyond lithium ions. We need to have some research guide on the battery management systems and softwares. Altogether like 21,000 engineers, they have several hundred PhDs and many, many masters. So Lo Cangids have been working here for Average more than three or five years, they become very good talent and I hope they can have more innovations in the future to help the human climate change focus on these renewable energies.”
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“In China is more complicated because Chinese try to make a lot of products which fit to the consumer usage. So Chinese OEM more like we call the hearing more requests from the consumer, then they make a good design faster. than anyone else in the world. That's why they can roll out a lot of good products. So in order to support the Chinese OEM on this aspect, theater has been well trained to how to quicker, faster grasp the needs, and how to landmark the production to support the course performance effectively and quality, high-quality products to our customers. The whole story makes a difference”
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“And don't consider them as competitors. Actually, we love to have more people join in this journey, which you really can have the inventions. It's not a copycat. It's an invention which can help to make the consumer make the customer happy with their real good performance of the products and technologies. Because only the competitions in invention, competitions in the creativity which can help this industry very healthy to growth in the futures.”
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“Today, I think the competitor is ourselves because we don't have a lot to do, especially on electrical chemical side, you know, the material today. We're still in kettle material like lithium ion phosphate and NCM, anal material still on the Glori or some silicon. Most important is the new chemistries we have to invent. So only invent new chemistries can also fit more usage, more requirement from consumer, for example, low temperature performance.”
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“We take almost 12 years from zero to this 37.5%. Not because only these 12 years, because our team have been working on this industry for now is a quarter century. 25 years ago we started business with this Lision ion battery, which is definitely for the mobile phone, for the notebook, for all the consumer electronic applications. So we have similar technology from 25 years ago.”
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“We have two major products. One is a battery. We call a battery for the immobility. So you can have the product in people like Tesla's car, Model 3, Model Y. So in all the Chinese car makers, also in many of the OEM's cars. So this battery we call to power the whole car. So it's a BEF, BEV. Another product is we make a battery for the energy storage. You know all the renewable energy like wind turbine and the solar cell. Why you need a storage battery, Foucault storage, regulate the unstable renewable energy supply, which Megalis energy supply become very stable, very predictable, and very fitness to the industry use and other use.”
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“Not yet 40%. To be correct, 37.5% something like that. Less than 40. But I think most important is why products. Definitely the market needs a lot of right products to do the immobility. So the right product, you need the right technology. So in our world, it's more like right chemical, right material, which really have good products. So this group product is a finished to the purpose of the consumer. That's why consumers really love it. That's why customers, OEMs, would like to make these products and put this product into their car. That's why we can power millions of cars.”
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