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  1. Yeah, so I feel like I would like to. This is really, yeah, I'm going to sound like a really bad dog owner. I promise you I'm not. She has so much love. But I would just like to give her a bit more attention.

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  2. This is really a simple answer I know. However, I work a lot in the day. Marvin Mike's evening, so he's around a lot in the day. So he does all the stuff with the dog. But when I walk through the door, she loves me so much, so unconditionally. I think I've not even seen you all day and she's around and, you know, yes, we might have gone out for the walk and I'm doing the kids and then I've got, you know. And then I think, oh, I've not really like laid on the sofa and really like Made the most of you

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  3. That's a really good question. Do you know what I would like to pay more attention to? This isn't, I'm not a bad person, by the way. You don't need to worry. I would really like to pay more attention to my dog.

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  4. Think is delivering it because you know it's right for you and your journey, and you just have to lean into that and just get the balls to. And it's that. Once you've done it, you'll feel. You would just feel so liberated. It's crazy.

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  5. Some Of confronting it. And that's what it is. It's the when I say confrontation and it's not in the aggressive sense. It's that actually having to deliver that news. That's the one when you know something's right and you know that something that you want to do and you are 51 plus The hardest thing you have to do is deliver it. So, do you know what I said? I was like, I've just got to put my big girl pants on, as I call it. I'm going to pull up my big girl pants. If that's the worst part of this. Then that is just showing. Do you know what I mean? If that is the worst part, the worst part is that essentially you're a good person because, like you said, you don't want to upset. So you're skirting around it because you don't want to actually have to say it. But you know it's right. And that will, nine times out of ten be the worst part.

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  6. I was ready. I felt like I needed to celebrate. The only thing I felt bad about was potentially upsetting somebody, but everything else was right. Everything else, there was like, I felt like, oh, thank goodness I've done that.

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  7. That's all I felt. Everything else I felt like I had just had a massage and a weight was off my shoulders and I was like, okay, right now we go.

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  8. Exactly that And I honestly, it was like I'd listened to that at the best time. The next day I did it. And I honestly felt the. The reason that I knew as soon as I'd done it that I knew it was right. Well, I knew anyway, but the reassurance I had is I felt the emotional side of it I hated. I hated, you know, the phone call and the And letting people feeling like I've let somebody down. The sense of upsetting them because they would have probably liked to have continued working together. So I felt I don't want to upset anyone. It's not bad, blood. It's just making a decision that I need to make for myself. Felt shitty, first of all, because I felt like, oh God, do you think they're really upset? Do you think?

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  9. The vibe, y'all. So I think I just got to a point where I thought it's time to empower myself and trust in that because there were ideas being frying around that I'm like, oh no, this isn't. This is so far off of me. So yay, I had a real realisation and it was quite an emotional thing too because it felt like a weird, sort of like a breakup. Know we've had a really good road, but I don't want this in the same way anymore, and it felt more that was the hardest thing to do because I don't know how upsetting people and we've built friendships over the years, which I hope still remain and I'm sure they will. But it was that that was harder than the actual decision, which told me everything. And do you know what? Some of this is your fault.

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  10. You have a very clever business and a clever firm that's a lot of numbers and a lot of things I don't understand. But it's not like somebody saying to you, this is what we need to do because of X, Y, Z, and this is how this is moving. So we need to go this and this is the market. We need to dominate. Really, people are advising me on me because my business is me. Know how I know what my vibe is because I am the vibe.

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  11. I could tell you on a WhatsApp, Ross, she says, Thank you, do you want to do? No, no, no. Don't waste your time. Let's not take months to work up and offer and present it to me because we've wasted everybody's time so I wouldn't have done it anyway. So I just felt like I got to a real point where. Does it really do? Is what this podcast is what this episode is going to be called. But it really was actually gaining that control back. Like I didn't want to keep being advised of what someone thinks I should do. It's not like, okay.

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  12. Feel like Not trying to build a name for myself anymore in the sense of. Lot of the execs that these channels know me, they know what I can do if they want me for a certain thing, they're going to book me. And yes, I will always pitch ideas and I'll have my own ideas and they might take them or they might not. But I got to a point where I feel like in terms of that I'm happy in what I'm doing. Really, nobody knows me better than I know myself. It felt like a new challenge. I felt like I didn't want to be part of a big corporate firmware. It takes people quite a while to get an answer whether I want to do X, Y, and Z. I'd like someone to be able to. Speak to me or one other

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  13. So I've been in this industry in different forms since I was 12 years old. So I was in SCOB Juniors when I was 12. I then did presenting for kids television. Then obviously went into the group and then I went back into Telly after the group ended. So I've always had A level of guidance throughout this because it's something that we all need, it's a crazy world, right? I've always Sort of been at the mercy of somebody else. And I think I've been really lucky over the years to work with some of the best management teams in the industry. I really, really have. And I feel there was a time where I was desperate to be managed before all of this. I'm like, I want a manager and I want to maybe they can make this happen for me. And then I got to a point where I feel like in terms of TV, in terms of what I do for branding or for how my job looks,

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  14. So, in career, it would be I feel like I've got enough. I feel like I don't want to saturate myself with stuff. So I'm trying to find a real balance of there not being an announcement every other week of something else I'm doing. And I'm so excited to announce now I'd like balance. So I love the fact that me and Marvin have a show together that's a Saturday night entertainment show, which is a family show, which is music. It couldn't be more perfect for us. I love that. So I would love that to run until the end of time. I love what I do when I dip in and out of daytime television. That suits me. In terms of my business, I want it to keep growing at the rate that it is. That's really important to me. I obviously now manage myself, which is a very different thing. And that was something that was really crucial in my five-year plan.

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  15. Really, at the same time, I'm like, no, guess what? He's stepping up to the plate, and I'm not taking anything away from him because I really appreciate him and we really do in my house. He's a rock. But at the same time, we live in this weird... World where it's like you get a clap for being a great dad but if you're a mum and you're working you're like oh she's out to work is she not going to make the on time you know there's that like judgment for Doing what dads do if you're a mum. It's a really weird concept, and it's something I wasn't aware of until I had kids.

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  16. Doing what he should be doing. And we do all that. Oh, it's daddy daycare today. Well, no, he's just taking his kids out. No one says it's mommy daycare today or it's, well, they're lucky to have a good mum because it's assumed you should be a good mum, right? You should be a good mum. You should be able to have a career, you know, be a hot girl for your fella. You should be an amazing mom. There's a lot of pressure that's put on women. That perspective, I really, really think so. And I think, so yes, he is an amazing dad, and he is devoted and he is patient and he is everything I'd want him to be. Everything that I would have wanted for, you know, other dad.

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  17. The best. Do you know what's mad is I kind of. When I speak about this, it's a really weird thing that sometimes sits with me odd. And not because of My dad and my childhood actually because we spend a lot of time going A society, people will say, You're so lucky, Marv is such a good dad. And I'm like, uh-huh, he is. And my children are lucky to have a good dad. I get that. Totally get it because I didn't have that. I really get it. But at the same time, there's always a part of me that goes.

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  18. And I remember thinking Oh, okay, then this isn't going to be straightforward. But now the other sides. These years later, reunion tours. I don't get that anymore. I don't get that anymore. And now I'd be like, well, babe, listen, you've got to contend with snoring. You've got to deal with it. I give them a list of reasons why I've probably helped your life.

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  19. I just remember looking at Frankie. Was in this meeting at the record labels, she was at the time, she was dating Dougie from McFly. I was obviously dating Marv, and I was like, well, we fucked this, I don't know. So it was kind of like we tried to keep it a secret for so long. And I remember like sneaking into one of Marth's gigs. I was watching from the sound desk and a girl come up to me and she said, you have ruined my life. Kind of what he meant the other day with intent, like she was like, you have ruined my life. I was like, you know, it's like I couldn't really hear. But the third time I was like, Oh, I totally understand. And the eyes, I knew what she meant. Like, I remember being like, that's mad.

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  20. Yeah, I did. We really not ate me and Frankie, they were like, It's really going well, girls, you know. You've worked well, the singles are going down well. The worst, the only thing that you could do now, you know, after we'd worked, so we didn't have that overnight success, as I was saying. The only thing you could do because it's a really hard thing to get girls to like girls, girls love to be fans of boys and boy bands. The only thing you can do to mess it up now, you've got the girls on side is to date someone from boy groups.

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  21. You're both. You're a lovely guy, and we've had a very nice chat. But do you know what I mean? Like, you can't walk into every situation thinking because you had a bad time one day that it's going to be the same the next. And I think. That's what I was really, I will say when I met Marv, I was very anti getting with him.

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  22. It goes back to what we were saying again. You do damage to yourself. Because now she is feeling that she constantly has to be that person. Who's happy here because the boyfriend isn't happy doing that, and she really isn't, so I think that was a real conscious decision for me to not take that into this. Because I don't think you can ever let any relationship grow at its full potential if you're still dealing with old shit. And that's in friendships, that's in the workplace. But I think Yeah, for me, that was really, really important. Not anybody until someone gives me a reason to feel a certain way. Like I'm not going to meet you and think, oh, I met someone the other day that interviewed me and was a bit of a dick. So this day is going to be horrendous because.

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  23. We could be anywhere in the world, but if we're together in our little family, this is even before we had kids, like, I'm like happy. I'm good with life. And I feel like that's why I can. in a place I'm not going to give him all the credit actually here but I'm in a place where in my career I feel like I can take a lot on like when I arrived today I was like I'm knackered I've not stopped but I've got I've all that side of my life feels very content and is content Which can push me on to do other stuff. And when I say, like, I look, he'll always be like, Oh my god, it's amazing that you've done this or that. And people will talk about him. Yeah, it's great, but I've got good people behind me, you know, and he is definitely at the forefront of that for sure.

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  24. No, so I can only speak for me, but it's something that we always agree on. Like he really is my calmness in the chaos. if that makes any and he always has been he's got that real calming demeanor and he really is that for me so we've always We've always both had a real respect of how lucky we are in this world that it's kind of like that we are in to find somebody that's solid. Like I know how rare that is. Have we nailed balance? Babe, no. We have three kids. We have full-time jobs. We're self-employed. We're winging it pretty much through life, but never with each other. He makes me feel really secure, you know. And I think that is something that's really important to me. And I don't know if that's where my dad comes into play too Where he

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  25. Think we just have this real understanding of one another. And I think we both really appreciate how lucky we are. Something that we always say, I can say it from my point of view because I feel very lucky to have him. I'm not going to say why he's lucky to have me.

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  26. Sometimes you're not going to get everything right. And deep down, I really don't think I would have handed anything differently because I know where it came from and the place. But you're not always going to get everything right. And not everyone is always going to be impressive of everything you do. And I think that was maybe that's why it was the hardest time because maybe it was the first moment. My career that blindsided me that I wasn't in control of, that someone could have said something that wasn't quite the truth and I had no control over that. Yeah, so maybe that's why I found it because I wasn't, you know, normally I'm like, I know what I'm doing. I go on telly, I do my thing, I do this, or I've released a single and it come, but I just didn't know I could.

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  27. Can you just tell me the recipes your roast potato? And then the next one would be like I had so much respect for you before, but I can't believe what you've done. And then it would be like, where's your dress from when you were? So it was, you know, it's just like, do you know what? That is just, and I also think it was that period of time where everybody was locked down and it was like... Everyone was on their phones more, which became like everybody came out, and it was like it felt just like such an attack. I was like, do you know what? The reality is

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  28. So that's what we did. We picked it up the following week. So I took that week off and Rebecca that works with me, Marvin was on the phone today. He said, Right, can you just do me a favor before you give it back? So just clear the DMs. And then she was actually like, look, he's actually not as bad as you think and whatever, whatever. You know, it's fine. We move. We know the intention. And she sent me a screenshot, one of my messages. It was like, you're cancelled to me, you're this, you're that. There was a few of them, and then it was like.

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  29. I know, but this is exactly it, right? And there was that. That time when that prudent, I turned everything off, I turned off comments, I turned off, and then I just was like, right, I'm not dealing with this. I'm just going to live my life. I literally cried for 48 hours and was devastated. It was really weird. I made a roast dinner. Marv had my phone. And then I remember him that week going, right, I think you can, you're all right now on this because I was like, right, let's cancel filming this week. Because I also didn't want it to affect the contributors thinking, oh, we now can't be part of this show, which we thought we were because now we're at the black community don't approve of, you know, I mean, so there was a bit of that. So I was like, let's stop filming this week and we'll go back to it when we're all had some sleep and we don't feel too emotional.

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  30. Yeah, and because I know I was coming from a place of love, I was coming from the best place in the world. People were saying things like, oh yeah, you just, you've got enough money. Give it to a presenter that didn't have that opportunity. I didn't take the money from the show. That's what you don't know. I gave it to the charity in order that I was working with. I didn't take a penny from that. If anything, it costs me money But what was I going to write that in a statement to make myself look like the angel? No, because it wasn't about me. And I think sometimes it is just taking that like you don't have to jump to your defense to prove that you're an incredible person all the time. It's just, I know where it was coming from. And it's enough. And it's exhausting. Because someone's always going to have something to say. Always.

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  31. Quick to jump to our own defense because I don't want someone to think I'm that person and I don't want them to think that I would do that to another woman. Guess what? I know I would never do that to another woman. That isn't me. The first thing I did when I saw that was message her and say, babe, here's my number. Call me because that isn't me. But do I need to defend that to a whole lot of people that have already made up their mind? No. Because it's exhausting and I'm not achieving anything. So I think sometimes we're so desperate to defend ourselves and put out a statement to say, actually, this isn't what happened.

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  32. Just touch it up a little bit. No, do you know what? I think you're right. And I actually think that happened at the start of this year. And do you know what we were saying over the past year, my whole outlook has changed on a lot of things. And maybe you're right. Maybe it has also come from experiences like that that have taught me. Not to, you know, not to react so quickly and not. I think sometimes we're so.

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  33. Yeah, it's a never ending cycle, but that definitely was like. Navigating through that was probably the hardest thing I've actually been through ever.

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  34. Exactly. And I thought, do you know what? It's too tiring. And then, if I say something, then someone, like you said, would be yeah, but you still did. And then I would have had to have gone back to that. And I think.

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  35. That is going off, and he literally texts everybody that works with me and was like, You need how I'm here, but like no more phone

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  36. Because I didn't want to make it about me. I didn't want to make it about the fact that, do you know what, actually, I was scared taking my kid to nursery that day because I got death threats. I didn't want to make it about, do you know what I mean, it's not about me? It was about the bigger picture. And I think... Just had to hold on to that. Marv did take my phone off me there. Smart. I lost my phone for the weekend. He was like,

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  37. I had a job in my mind and my mind, and that's what kept me going because those women that I spoke to, it was for them. And the whole time I was checking they were okay with this. Look, do you think and I was getting their take on this? And if they had said to me at one point, Rush, I actually think maybe stepped down from this. I would have done. Genuinely I would have done. But they had trusted me and I'm not going to let them down. We're thinking about the bigger picture here. And I think so it was that. So I just kept silent on it because I thought. Is it the queen you don't do like the queen? If someone said to me once, you never don't explain and you don't complain in certain situations. I was like, I've never done like the queen in my life, but I'm going to put it to you right now.

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  38. But with this, it was different because of the reason I was doing it. So I was like, look, I don't want to say anything because there's a lot of noise happening and I've not even said anything yet. And the old me with what we were talking about would have just gone. But really, I didn't want, if I spoke on it, it would be another Daily Mail article and the noise would have just, it would just keep. Know snowballing out of control. So I was just like, look, I'm not doing this isn't about me. It's not about me. It's about

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  39. And what's interesting is I've had so many different letters since saying, I'm so sorry that we wrote this article because actually we watched the show and it's not what we. So it's just funny that when I talk about that blue tick responsibility, one post can set a whole community alight when actually it was incorrect. And that's where I think we all need to do better in our position to make sure that We're always posting the right information when we do that.

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  40. So I had to remember, and there was talk, we had a meeting at my management, and we're going to pull out of this. Should we just pull out of this? Because, and I was like, no, do you know what I'm not? Because it's not actually about me. And they will learn that when this program airs. Because these brilliant women have trusted me to protect their stories. We were so careful. We had one director, a black female director, and it was just, we didn't have a soundie, we didn't have a whole crew, we turned up to these women's homes Protected, we wanted them to feel safe, so it was just her and I, and they could tell their story, and we didn't want to sort of make them relive their trauma in a way that wasn't going to be helpful. So we did it in the best way that we could

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  41. Yeah, I just found it a real struggle because at the same time, and there was a lady called Mars, who was just a brilliant woman, she's a dollar and she has been campaigning for this disparity for a very long time. And she said, the thing that you're forgetting, she called me because she saw it all go down. She was like, are you all right? Are you okay? And I literally burst into tears. I was like, She was like, you're forgetting. You've lost yourself out of these stats because being a mixed woman. You are still four times as likely to die than a white woman. You're losing yourself in this too, and your children and the rest are still very much part of those stats. So let's not lose this here, you know. The stats are about black and brown women.

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  42. And that's how it really felt. And I think that was the biggest frustration. And also, in all of this, so this big conversation happened. Fine, okay, I get it, and I'm not saying that colourism doesn't exist because it really does, and it's awful and it's unjust and it isn't right and there's a lot of work to do in that space and I think that will be something that exists for a very long time unfortunately. However It wasn't it, and it wasn't right to make this situation about colourism

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  43. And I'd said no. If you think it's going to get commissioned, but we really feel rushed that by putting your profile to it, we'll get it across the line. And if I'd have said no, am I not then doing my bit? Am I not then doing what I should be doing?

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  44. First off, secondly, the community that I'm making this show for and that we were fighting to get this on TV. It was the first documentary of this kind being made. Weren't happy about it until they saw it. And I was like, just wait and see it because it's actually not about me. It's about the brilliant women that have been brave enough to take part in this doc. So yeah, it was a really weird period of time because I genuinely didn't know how to handle it. Because I then put the shawl in the other foot and then I said, okay, so if I'd been asked to do this, which I had to do this show, put my name on it to get this commissioned.

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  45. This isn't how it went down. However, it sparked a conversation that I'm not going to release a statement and stop it and say, listen, it wasn't and I'm not going to out another woman for saying the wrong information because that isn't me. So I let it go because I just thought, do you know what? That's also a conversation worth having. Yes. To some, I definitely have it a lot easier because... I am lighter sk But as I said before, I'm also darker than Sam, so I understand it. So I let that conversation play out for that reason because the more we talk about these things, the better, right? However, it was harsh and it was a hard pill to swallow because in this instance this isn't, it wasn't it. I felt really hurt because I was, first of all, I was being denied of my black jean.

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  46. Maybe started making something similar that I don't know, and it's probably more than likely. So obviously it sparked this debate around colorism Is also a great conversation to be having. We don't have that conversation enough, but it wasn't the debate we were trying to spark. We were talking about maternal mortality. So it sort of snowballed into this chat. And colourism most definitely exists. I'm aware of that. I might be lighter than one woman, but I'm definitely darker than some. That's how my life has been. So In a way, I was like, look. This is at my expense, and this conversation that sparked is incorrect and it isn't.

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  47. The first thing I did was DM her. This is my number. I don't know what shit has gone down here, but this is my number. Give me a call. This day, I've not heard from her And then that sort of triggered this whole conversation of the fact that I'd taken a darker skin woman's bread and the dial switched overnight and I was, can I tell you I was beside myself devastated because first of all, that isn't, I'm not whether you're white, black, I'm not still in any woman's bread. That's not for me. So I kind of wanted to get to the bottom of this. So I call channel four. I was like, just tell me, has anybody, because I was on the pitch, right? So I was like, this is bizarre because we pitched this together. Has anybody been asked to host this apart from me? Because I'm not cool with this. And this isn't, I'll do it with her. We'll do it together, but this isn't the way that I work. And she hasn't been asked. And obviously, as I said, there's lots of shows that are being made, so I'm not sure if there was another production that she'd maybe had word with.

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  48. For me, really important that we get that on a big stage. There's some women that have been doing some incredible work for years working tirelessly to promote these figures and to get some sort of acknowledgement that this happens. So let's give it a big voice, right? So first of all, the conversation was, and that was the feeling everyone was like, well done. I didn't know about this. And then overnight the doll turned. There was a post that was posted on Instagram that was from another woman who is an author, a presenter that had said that she had been asked to front the same show. So this conversation has happened and it was like great. And then she had said I'd been asked to front this show. Which obviously I'd woken up and seen this post and was mortified. She was a darker skinned black woman, and

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  49. We announced that we were taping it, which was probably we'd already started, but we announced because I think I wanted to get a couple more women that I'd found through my channel to maybe share their experiences. So I sort of did a call out on social media. I announced that I was filming it and did a call out to say this is what we're filming. And it sparked conversation. It sparked a real conversation of did you know? And a lot of people were like, yes, white midwives had messaged me saying I've seen this, you know, I'd like to be a part of it. You know, there's lots that need to be done here. But first and foremost, people didn't know those stats. And I think that was.

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  50. Let me just, I will, I would, I'm here for it, I will do it. So that conversation happened. They said, yes, we would want to commission it. Wait for you, we'll do in the new year. So that was that, and then. Fast forward to

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