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Roger McNamee

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first: 2019-02-11
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“No, but each person who's listening to this, you don't need anybody's approval. You go out and do it your way. Do the thing that makes you feel right. Just recognize that people come up to me and say, what do I do now? I say, what do you feel like doing? They tell me and I say, okay, go do that.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, Frogger is in my personal. I know. I love Frogger. And then if you go to on Facebook, Moon Alice has its own page, and I have a Roger McNee fan page. Tristan has jumped up. Yeah, the Center for Humane Technology is humane tech.com. And the one thing I would just say is this is something to be decentralized. Everybody can do their own thing. Yep, Jaron Lanier”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let's do that together So I'm at moonalis on Twitter, and then the book is Zuckedbook.com. That's a really fun site. There are lots of good how-to things.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. I don't know. My point is at this point, I'm obviously the wrong messenger. And so what I'm really trying to do is see if I can't help to prepare somebody who's a better messenger to talk to them. I mean, people don't use ad hominem when they're ready to listen, you know? And so that's not important to me, right? I'm worried about everybody else. Okay. I'm going to focus on the 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% and somebody else can focus on the top guys”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The last time I heard from either one of them was the email on October 30th of 2016. The last time I spoke to anybody at Facebook was February 2017.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This question If I knew that by accepting a little bit of inconvenience, I could help to restore democracy. I could improve my own mental health and that of my children. I could regain the right to make choices without fear, which is to say have real benefits of privacy. And lastly, maybe even make the economy better and more interesting and more diverse. Would I accept some increase in inconvenience? And the point is, each of us gets to make a different decision. I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I've shown you in this book how to do that and what I do, and then you just make your own choice. But we're all in this together. And remember, there's only a few of them. I mean, part of the problem with these companies. No, no, but hang on. Bear with me for just a second. They have blown up whole industries without replacement. They've forgotten that what Schumpeter was talking about with creative destruction was that you had responsibility when you creatively destroyed something to rebuild something that was bigger.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“90% of the members of Congress who got after them. And there was a lot of really good questioning, and Mark did not hold up well. But the truth of that whole thing is our elected officials understand there's a problem. What they need is our help to get it across the finish line. We have to tell them how important this issue is. The punchline in my book is we have way more power than we realize because the elected officials want to make change on both sides of the aisle. They just need us to validate it. We need to be pinging them every single day. Just think of this like an indivisible group. Just sit there and say, you guys, you need to, and pick the issue you want, focus on children, focus on democracy, focus on privacy, focus on competition and innovation. It doesn't make any difference. Pick the one you like and bang on them. And bang on them hard. Tell them to read this book. The other thing you could do is remember, you can change your own habits.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I'm a big believer that you have to change the business models that I think I've now concluded has to come from the outside. I'm very encouraged by Congress. We have 40 new members, average age of roughly 40. Congress wasn't as bad as everybody thinks before because one Paul Manafort got raided by the FBI, so you didn't see the last.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think those are perfect frames. I add to the first point, the one about the skill set. I think that they believe that there is a software or an AI solution to every problem. I do not, once you get people into a A filter bubble. Then they take on to believing the thing themselves. It becomes a preference bubble. You cannot cure a preference bubble with code. That requires human interaction. If people are in a cult, you cannot cure that. People at Facebook and Google live in a preference bubble. They're so bought into their vision. And the vision is the code cures literally everything. No, you cannot cure the, I mean, they created a lot of the polarization in America, but they can't fix it. And so we have to fix it for them. We have to take that responsibility away from them. I think that's not a horrible thing.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And correctly so. Correctly so. I get your point. Somebody correctly. Yes. I'm learning from. But why don't they learn it? I find two things I want you to comment on to finish up I think they're incompetent to the task and I don't mean stupid. I think they have none of the skills capable of doing this. Number one. Two, I think they don't even, they see themselves as victims and they can't believe people don't like them. That to me is really, that means they're not going to learn. And it seems that that to me is the end of any kind of era of a society when they're intolerant to criticism and they consider it attacks, valid criticism. And then at the same time, they actually don't have the skills to take on these complex societal issues.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, she get your point. Somebody corrected me on a thing I said last night where I made a comment that would be typical of someone of my generation and it just was not sensitive enough and it really annoyed me that I made it. But the thing is, this is the point I want to make. We all have an opportunity to learn from this. I'm learning from it. I learn every day. I'm learning stuff from you today. I've learned from 10 other people today.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think there'll be lots, you know, Steve Case is going around the country. I think lots of people are going to like this idea because we know technology can empower us. And why we stop doing that is simply a flaw of a certain group of people at a certain moment of time having power to carry out their vision. And it was a genius vision on its own terms. The problem was its own terms were not inclusive enough. And I mean, you've known me long enough to know that one of the things that really annoys people about me is that I have this tendency to be non-hierarchical and to be relatively inclusive in comparison to people in whatever jobs I've been in. And, you know, if you're a beneficiary of patriarchy or a beneficiary of your skin tone, that can be annoying.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It doesn't sound like you're stopping at all. I want to drive us back to bicycles for the mind. Okay. And I don't know if Silicon Valley can get there. I sure hope it can. I think the city of New York wants to go there.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, you've got all these things going on in AI. So that's job one in AI. Let's think about the top three use cases economically today. Number one, getting rid of white collar work. Number two, filter bubbles, telling people what to think. Number three, recommendation engines. Telling people what to enjoy or buy or Share. Well, I step back for a minute and I'm reminded of Steve Jobs' notion of bicycles for the mind. That's about human empowerment. Are jobs what we think and what we like and what we buy, those are pretty fundamental elements of what make us different, what make us individuals. And we're going to delegate the things that make us unique to a computer. That seems like the opposite of bicycle.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The obvious thing is to say, what do you want the world to look like? Do you want it to reproduce all of the implicit bias of the real world? I mean, think about mortgages. There's a thing called redlining where banks would historically restrict who could get a mortgage in certain neighborhoods, and they might do it based on religion or race or something else. Well, if you use only the data sets of the real world to train the AI, that's what you're going to get. And that's exactly what they did get. If you look at things that review resumes, geez, in the real world workplace, are there any biases on gender? Are there any biases on race? If that's the only data set you use, they go right into it. But now, instead of a thing where there's a human right of appeal, it's a black box with no right of appeal.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is it okay in your bedroom? Last week, we got news that Nest, which is a division of Google that makes, among other things, security devices, got hacked by some due to man family think that they were under a nuclear missile assault. So these things not only have a surveillance problem, they also have Android as their underlying operating system, which is relatively less secure than some other operating systems, we know. And I just think we need to have a conversation about what are the limits. I mean, I don't think this notion that people can collect data anywhere, buy data anywhere.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so here's how I look at it, and they're in different categories. So there are two problems there's IoT, Internet of Things, so smart devices with either Alexa or Google Home front ends, and then there's the whole artificial intelligence forum. And so if we look at smart devices, you're now going to let the surveillance come into parts of your life you've never had it before. And you say, okay, it's okay in the kitchen. You go, okay. And then you say it's okay in the living room. Is it okay in your office?”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I hope so, but I'm just saying we don't yet see the evidence that it's working, right? Right. And the problem is, as you say, if Mark doesn't want to change, she's not going to change. That's right. And Larry Sergei doesn't want to change. They're not going to change. And so as we look forward, the reason this is so scary is I think Facebook at the margin, I don't see the future problems coming from them nearly as much as I do from Google, Microsoft, and Amazon. Because I look at things like...”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Come on. But I'm saying something, why is no one in the orbit doing it, right? Why am I doing this? Because no one else is. Well, I think”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That at different point I mean, there's control, but there's also who's sitting there and saying, Mark, this isn't right. You've got to change, right?”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there are two things that I think are worth noting here. One of them is that there's a simple rule of regulation, which is you should always take the first offer. Google should have taken the $2.7 billion antitrust judgment from the Europeans instead of telling it to buzz off. They should have taken GDPR. They should have taken the $5 billion deal. Now the thing we're negotiating is changing copyright laws to put YouTube out of business. These guys... Cheryl's sophistication around politics is so great. I don't understand why they've had so much trouble. I wonder where the boards of directors are in these companies. Nowhere.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, can you look at other companies? You know, I've done these interviews with Tim Cook where he slapped it up, and the only reaction they had is he's mean. I get I'm mean a lot by them. I'm a victim. You're too hard on us. I'm like, I don't think I'm hard enough. And it's a really interesting, again, lack of self-perfection. The attacks, you know, people say I'm positive towards Tim, but he's actually saying adult things.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“These guys have changed the economy so profoundly with their surveillance and with this business model that it's one of those situations where there's a before and an after. And in the before state, you have their own vocabulary. You don't know how to talk about it. And I don't think they're evil. I don't think they're horrible people. But I do think they've been told their whole life that they're special, that they're always right, and they're not responsible for the consequences of their actions. And all three of those things, shall we say, are less complete descriptions.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. It's basically a safe harbor from the actions of third parties. And basically the way the industry set up, everything's done by a third party. Right now, Because of the ridiculous way we think about antitrust in this area, which you only look at price increases, these companies have gotten away with blatant anti-competitive things against competitors, against suppliers, namely journalists and publications, and also against advertisers. And the great thing is that all you have to do is look at this business in economic terms as a barter. They're trading services for data. So you have to ask the question, has the price of those services gone up in data terms? And the answer is they've gone up geometrically. All you have to look at is that each individual app at these companies has been basically frozen for the last few years. And yet their average revenue per user has gone up geometrically, which is not the full answer. That's just a marker for the fact that something might be worth investigating here. And the point I'm making is that”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Facebook, as far as I can tell. And what's going on is it's just like ATT at the time of the breakup where they could have been doing cellular telephony. They could have been doing broadband data. But those things were not part of what they were doing. And I think if you break up these companies, I like 230 for small companies. I think there's some scale above which 230 doesn't make any sense at all. There's something where you go from being a kid to being an adult where you have to be responsible for the consequences. And 230 is inappropriate in that situation.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I would actually argue that the most negative forces on innovation in Silicon Valley are Google and Facebook. I don't think Facebook”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why don't we sue Facebook and collect the money? I think the latter approach will move Facebook a lot faster than the regulatory one because the lawyers will find some way to shimmy the regulatory thing. But if you make it about money,”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let me finish one thought about this because I think this part's really important. I think the answer here is that these guys are like chemical companies like an energy companies, that there are toxic spills that happen as a consequence of their action. And the reason those margins are so high, the reason the stocks are so valuable is because nobody is forcing them to pay the cost of cleaning up the messes they create. And I believe the answer here, the way you change the incentive, the way you improve the business model is not through any other kind of regulation. It's by making them legally liable and economically liable for the consequence of what they do. So in Germany today, we have a new story about Germany coming down on Facebook because they think the data collection practices are wrong. That is a fantastic approach. Another approach would be to sit there and say, anybody who has a problem with the data collection processes”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Mark is probably the worst, but it is in this notion of what we're doing is so important. That any means necessary to get there is justified. And of course, every tech company has always shipped products at the first moment and let the users sort out the problems. It's just now you're talking about global things with huge political power that's not elected and is unaccountable.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They have no sense of consequences. That's one of my things that I try to push in on. I always make this joke that they should think of everything as what would be the episode of Blackmir if this product goes the worst, then don't make it or put in things in place to create it so that it doesn't get to that level. But they don't. The self-reflection is so that's the one thing I need to get through to people. This lack of self-reflection, I always say it's a miracle they can see themselves in mirrors.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a better way to put it. And the problem is they gather all this data not to improve your customer experience, although they do a little of that. They really do it in order to create other products that may never even touch you, where you get no benefit at all.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not only in advertising, they say you are not the customer, you're the product, but for Google and Facebook, you are the fuel.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I thought I would just see what I could do with this. And with Facebook, what I've done is no politics. I used to do so much politics on Facebook. There were people who would hit my buttons and I'd just go completely ballistic. And I bite my tongue. I just don't let them do it. I only share stuff for the band in the book. I mean, people have pointed out, hey, Roger, you're talking about the book all the time on Facebook and Instagram. You're actually doing ads on Facebook and Instagram. And I go, yeah, why? Because Facebook and Instagram are the best advertising platforms in the history of humanity. And if you want to reach people to tell them about the problems of Facebook and Instagram, there's really no better place than Facebook and Instagram. Ironically, well, actually, it isn't even ironic. It's just how it is, right? And so I look at this as there's no obvious black or white answer here. This stuff's complicated. My problem is not with social media. My problem is not with Surge. My problem is not with Google Docs. It's with a business model that basically says.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, and my point is, it was something I could do. So these things are so convenient. There's some evolutionary thing about convenience that makes you choose it even when it's bad for you. And so what I thought I would do with this thing.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. We're all deep in the river. And the point is, you have to do the things you can do because these products are really convenient. They're really useful. And, you know, I told him to.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I have managed to persuade people to let me get away with not using Google Docs, which is the hardest single thing to avoid. Oh, man, I'm so into this.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then I wind up falling in the river and I have to go back to the beginning to start again. I actually had one period of time where we went two whole months without touching Google, right? And so that's like my high score. Do you like their maps? Well, but I was lucky because I wasn't using Gmail.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We headed back there. So I have for the last year and a half played a video game against Google. It's a version of Frogger. Google is the river. In the alternative products of the logs, and I'm the frog. And so, you know, whether it's duck duck go or ghostery or one password or exchange or safari, whatever it is, they're all these products. And every once in a while I'll inadvertently click on a map on some restaurant way.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, Google. Google is the most intrusive surveillance company on the planet. At least in, sorry, I should say at least in the United States, in China, they have competitors. But here, they're the most.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Again, everybody takes a step back. It's me. I write the book. And so what's the goal? The goal is basically I use the narrative arc of my discovery. So I'm Jimmy Stewart. This is rear window. I see something that looks like a crime scene. I pull on the thread without any idea what's going on. I learn and I use that narrative to teach people what they need to know to understand the business model, how the algorithms work, the cultures of these companies, which are the source of all the problems. Not because the whole story is in here, but rather because there's enough of the story in here so you can recognize the next parts as they come along. And then I finished the book by giving three chapters of guidance. And the guidance is how to protect your children, how to protect yourself, but it's also, you know, how to use your power with your elected representatives to get them to do the right thing. And then lastly, I tell you, here are the things I'm actually doing, some of which may work for you, some of which may not. Be specific.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So in terms of the writing the book and what I hoped to get out of it was a really simple thing. We were in a strategy session in Washington and somebody pointed out that you get to a point in the curve where you can no longer reach a large enough group of people face to face or around the table in Congress that you have to start to have a different kind of media plan. And we got a lot of TV, but there was no way to sustain that. And they said somebody's got to write a book. And I thought Tristan was the right one to write the book, but he didn't really want to write the book.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Renee Doresta, who works in this larger team, there's Sandy Parakeelis, who's now at Apple. There's Tim Wu and there's a lot of us me too, and you huge, right? And, you know, David Kirpatrick, there's a lot of people who are contributing to this thing.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I give Susan way more credit than I give me. And, you know, I give Tristan Harris more credit than I. I'd say it's a multifaceted approach, but these are all the same.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, there's some relationships that don't work anymore and that make me really sad. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I haven't talked to anybody at Klein or in ages, and that really bums me up because I loved being part of that. That's Arthur Jon”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, in that sense, there was no cost, but it was regretful, right? And so the way I would look at it is what's happened here is as I've stopped allowing technology to mediate my life, I've re-engaged face to face with people. I've seen more of you in the last six months than the prior five years put together. And that's true of a lot of people in my life. And it's really fun because I'm re-engaging with the people I love, with the people I respect most. And many of them are my age, some are younger, some are older, but it's been really fun to re-engage. So it's not like”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Attractive times. And my point was other people can make that investment, that's great. But for me, that didn't work. And I realized I couldn't manage other people's money if I wasn't willing to invest in that. And so I decided that was it for me. I decided I wasn't going to be an active investor anymore”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no, it's not quite that bad. What I would say is it has changed the nature of my interactions. I was pulling back already. And so there were a whole set of new younger companies I was not plugged into. And that largely was a cultural thing. I started to notice with Zynga and then with Spotify and then with Uber that Silicon Valley's best stories were companies whose philosophy and value system were not ones I was comfortable with. And so I passed on those three deals at very...”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Look, I am not the perfect messenger for this stuff. Right. Duh. That's obvious. I stipulate that. I'm going to do my best. And not every audience is going to like it. But I do have a resume and some skills that I can use here. And as long as those are working with somebody, I'm going to keep doing it. But as soon as the opportunity to retreat comes, I'm going back to playing music.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so I mean, he's a poker player. He's not a shrinking violet, right? He's a very strong personality. So I look at all these things and I go, I never intended to become an activist. And now it's simply a matter of, if you remember the Three Stooges movie, they're on a line they're looking for. Except one guy. Well, I'm the one guy. And my point here is”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Incident happened. Shamath had been in charge of growth at Facebook. He gave up speech at Stanford in which he regretted his thing. It gets published. And within three days, he doesn't just recant it. He goes out on the road and starts shilling for Facebook. And that was when I knew, oh my God. They aren't even going to turn around with evidence That is what motivated me to become an activist. Right.”
2019-02-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Zucked" author Roger McNamee · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT