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Roland Griffiths

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“You know, the features of this unfolded, the sense of unity, the sense of sacredness. Was it true? Absolutely true. And I ticked off all the qualities. And then I remember taking my phone out and writing a memo to myself. And it was just three words. It's all true.”
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“That's what this project was about what the hell are these things? And yeah, how do they fit into the experience framework that I had?”
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“I was curious, maybe a little nervous. Yeah, yeah, I would say, yeah, I was nervous. But it was a low dose and it started opening up very familiar territory within meditation. And there was a sense of opening and at that point I had done enough research about the features of the classic mystical experience that I could look at my experience and try to interpret it within that framework. So one question is, is there a sense of unity? Is there a sense of connectedness or a void which classically occurs in meditation, the sense that there's a total emptiness or a total fullness? There is it sacred? Is there something precious about this experience?”
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“Compounds, I can now confirm firsthand that the overlap with the kinds of experiences that can emerge in meditation and in breath work, because I've also had experience with breathwork, in other kinds of practices that elicit these changes in consciousness, I can confirm that they're of the same flavor. There's certainly differences, but they're of the same flavor. And again, that occurred only well after we had published our first study, we had published the follow-up study, we were largely completely through our cancer trial and significantly through our beginning meditator trial. And we also had run psilocybin dose effect trial. So the research had continued apace. And it's only more recently that I've had these experiences.”
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“Security, but I would have to say I was deeply curious and I also felt in some sense disadvantaged as a clinician talking with volunteers having gone through these experiences but not knowing fully what that experience was like at a personal level. And so there came a time and it was at least six years after the publication of our paper and that would have been 12 years after the initiation of our research that I had an occasion to have a higher dose experience with a psychedelic and now had a few of those. I'm by no means an enthusiast, but I certainly understand the nature of those.”
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“the tightly controlled Schedule I compound. Yeah, me of all people had no access to the drug supplies that we have locked away under very tight.”
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“by my own meditation practice and I didn't know that that wouldn't be a significant distraction. So for years afterwards it didn't occur to me to take a psychedelic nor did I have access to psychedelics.”
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“Thanks for asking, Tim, because I, among any number of researchers working with psychedelics, have been really quite reluctant to talk about any personal use and for good cause because these compounds were so misunderstood back in the sixties and so branded with all kinds of mistruths that there's historically been suspicion among people who may have even had experience much less people who are proponents and have become enamored with their effects. And what I've said repeatedly with respect to my launching our research with psilocybin was that prior to that time I had no meaningful personal experience. Again, I was deeply interested and committed and satisfied.”
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“Yeah, we certainly didn't have conditions under which we could elicit those experiences reliable. So they weren't, in that sense, they weren't amenable to scientific study. So to do prospective scientific research. Need conditions under which you can produce in effect reliably, then you can compare that to conditions in which you don't give that drug or you give some other substance, then you can do that prospectively and then you can compare those groups. So you have all the tools of the scientific method at your hand to deconstruct.”
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“You couldn't predict when they would occur. And sometimes it would seem to be random occasions where people would just walk out on the beach and have this epiphany that they would claim to be life-changing.”
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“There's a large literature on mystical experiences starting with William J. at that turn of century where he wrote varieties of religious experience. But there had been a whole series of research studies on mystical experiences, but they were really elusive because they occurred erratically or capriciously.”
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“No, very different. So people, if you give them a high dose of cocaine, they may experience euphoria and really get high from that. But if you ask them a day later, much less a week or a month, what was that experience? They're going to remember it like we remember anything in memory. Oh, yeah, I remember I got really high that day. That was kind of fun. But it's a memory. It has no enduring meaning, and yet people are coming back months later saying this is among the most meaningful experiences of my entire lifetime. That's really weird. It fits with literature on mystical, naturally occurring mystical experiences. So people have these epiphanies.”
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“What makes that any different? What makes it different is that months after the session, people are saying that experience two months ago was the most interesting, most meaningful experience of my lifetime are among the top five.”
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“Because I'd never seen anything remotely approaching that after having studied dozens of different psychoactive compounds. So at this point, I've given high doses of sedatives and opiates and stimulants and other chemicals to people who are both drug experienced drug abusers and drug naive. So I'm really accustomed to understanding and being able to assess the subjective effects and what people say about them and different drugs produce different kinds of effects and people report different things and I knew that and so that you give a dose of psilocybin and they're going to produce effects and in this case an unusual profile effects yeah fine”
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“Substantial change in worldview, attribution of positive changes and moods, attitudes and behaviors and experiences that are rated to be among the most meaningful of a person's entire lifetime And so, okay, so that was the initial. Finding that got my attention Big time.”
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“So I had become intrigued at studying these back in the late 1990s. We conducted, we enrolled our first volunteer around 2000. We published our first paper 2006. Big paper.”
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“Psilocybin, yeah, you're dealing with all of the consequences of people having hyped up expectation and essentially knowing that they've drawn the black straw.”
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“It's much more problematic now to conduct a clinical trial because many of your participants are going to come in with strongest calls. Huge, huge expectancy effects. And that makes conduct of these trials even more difficult in actually contributing to that is if you compare the psychedelic to an inactive placebo and you have people with high expectancy effects, you have the potential for huge disappointment effects. And so your placebo is no longer a neutral. Indicator of what happens that people don't get.”
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“Selection bias. So that was then. This is now the widespread cultural enthusiasm overblown enthusiasm for the effects of positive effects of psychedelics. It'll pay.”
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“Had bad experiences with psychedelics would say, hell no. I'm not going to sign up for that study. And then if you had positive effects, you wouldn't know how much of that was.”
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“It's just In our first study we were dealing with psychedelic naive individuals. So that was important because what we didn't want is people who had experience who could immediately And furthermore, you would have had a selection bias people who”
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“I've read on Erowood And so it's a deep problem with psychedelic research, and it's not been solved yet. We don't have adequate controls that would completely put skeptics at peace in not thinking that there wasn't an opportunity for bias. So you worry about expectancy effects on part of both the therapist and on part of the participant biasing the outcomes.”
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“The nature of many clinical trials, if they're double-blind and rigorously run, there's no way for the people running the study to know what those conditions are. And in particular, if you can't break the blind because of apparent effects of the drug, then you're safe.”
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“Easier to deduce what Yeah, so that blinds them. They did not know that, in fact, everyone was going to get a dose of high dose of ritalin. Everyone was going to get a high dose of psilocybin. And we further created a blinding condition by with a limited number of subjects giving them on the first two sessions just methylphenidate and on the third session. And again, it was to throw the guides off, the study staff off, the volunteers off in terms of what to expect. So I think we did as good a job as we could.”
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“We wanted them to be open to whatever experience they had. We did not want to tell them specifically this is going to compare psilocybin with ritalin because then they would be paying attention. They might.”
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“We had a single control and that turned out to be riddling, but importantly the instructions to both the guides and the volunteers was that they could receive a much wider range of drugs. Now, among the drugs they could receive were methylphenidate, ritaline, and psilocybin. And they were told that on one, at least one session, they would get a moderate to high dose of psilocybin.”
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“The design of the studies a little bit complicated, and we used a high dose of riddlein as a control. And people were told that they would have three different sessions and at least one session would involve a moderate to high dose of psilocybin. So they were told that. But other sessions could involve administration of, I think we had 13 other psychoactive compounds like nicotine or diphenhydramine or”
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“We made a great team. Bill was well grounded in guiding sessions. I was the skeptical scientist, and we designed a study that kept Bill entirely blinded to the study conditions.”
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“He was a skillful clinician, and I wouldn't have had the courage to study a high dose of a psychedelic, absent someone who could assure me that they knew what they were doing.”
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“He did. And so he had been involved in this. He himself had had psychedelic experiences before they were made illegal, and he was a clinical psychologist in Baltimore.”
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“Yes, so a key component in us doing this research was finding Bill Richards, who had formerly worked at Maryland. Psychiatric research”
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“That would have been probably ninety nine. So I judge the probability of even getting the protocol accepted by my IRB and by”
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“Cor Yeah, he had gotten permission to give DMT to experienced individuals. It wasn't clear at all that you could even get a trial approved to administer a significant dose of a psychedelic to psychedelic naive people. And so when we initially submitted that protocol, we”
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“No, no, no. It was at that point it still was considered to be a non starter, except for Rick Straussman, no research had been done with these drugs, certainly not in psychedelic, naive individuals.”
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“See, I probably would have read Tecole or Teaco, his classic books. At the same time, I was just getting familiar with the whole field.”
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“Yeah, well, so within the scientific community, yeah, they were not psychedelic. Enthusiastic researchers because no human research could be done.”
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“No, at zero interest. As a matter of fact, I think if anything I would have been deeply reluctant to be exposed to a psychedelic because I was already on a meditation path and I didn't know how that would interact with that. And in fact, within meditation traditions, there's a long history of prohibition of use of any psychoactive substances and as it turns out now, since we've done research with long-term meditators and beginning meditators, I don't think that there's any significant adverse effect on meditation of using psychedelic. But at the time, I didn't know that. And furthermore, I frankly was suspicious of the psychedelic enthusiasts. There's a cohort of people. We would wax so excitedly.”
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“Because I was deeply interested in altered states of consciousness and I thought this would be a way to use the tools of my trade. I'm a clinical pharmacologist that runs drug trials to conduct. Rigorous research examining those. At that point, I had plenty of experience running clinical trials, designing novel ways to assess subjective effects in different feeling states, and I had a lot of credibility within the field in terms of running that. So this was in some ways right down my alley.”
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“I think importantly, at least to me, is that when I decided I would conduct a study with psilocybin number one, I didn't have any significant prior experiences.”
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“That was one of the central therapeutic targets from that early work, as was end of life. Anxiety and depression, both of which have now resurrected and we ended up running significant trial in cancer patients who had anxiety and depression, end of life, and just this last week, Michael Bogan shoots from NYU has published a very important study showing that psilocybin is effective at treating alcoholism. lines of research that were really started in the 50s or 60s.”
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“To use. So the thought going in was can we study this, I was familiar with the work that had been done. And now I got caught up on my reading of the work particularly from Harvard, but there was a lot of other research on psychedelics from the 50s and 60s”
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“So when Bob Jesse prompted me to consider running a study with in this case psilocybin and at that time we would have called it a hallucin so we wouldn't have called it a psychotomimetic we would have called it a classic hallucinen.”
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“To engender the experience of God within. And these substances then would be claimed to be relevant to that. But of course that uses the God word, which Problematic in and of itself. It's a very narrow casting of what the psychedelics can do. I mean, yes, they can produce experiences of spiritual significance, but they do a whole bunch of other things. And they had been termed psychotometics for a long time.”
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“Yeah, there's so much negative publicity that the psychedelics had garnered because of what happened in the 1960s, that there was every reason not to associate with that.”
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“Well, Bob really felt strongly that psychedelics just as a term were beyond, absolutely beyond salvation, that he felt that at that time the whole term psychedelics elicited visions of tie-dyed t-shirts and lava lamps and the Hayd Ashberry.”
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“Well, just a reading list on different meditation traditions, different religious traditions. But he was also interested in what he would have called the entheogens.”
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“And Bob Jesse then came out and we had lunch together, and my interest in Bob Jessie was that he had this council on spiritual practices that were interested in transformative change. I wasn't interested in the psychedelics, but he was widely read on transformative change within mystical and meditation traditions. Initially, I was seeking him as a resource to try to do stress testing about how did I get involved with this group, where does this group fit within other different meditation traditions? And he was very generous with his time. and made a number of books available to me in”
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“Yeah, so Rick Chasman had run a study with DMT in experienced users, but other than that, nothing had been done, and obsessed group was interested in what it would take to reinitiate research with more of the classic psychedelics not inhaled or intravenous and in DMT. And so Bob Schuster suggested that Bob Jesse reach out to me because Bob Schuster knew that I was involved with meditation, I might be intrigued, and certainly was well credentialed, and he ended up introducing me to Bob Jesse, who”
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“So, I don't know the details of that meeting, but I do know that at the end of that, there was some talk, well, what if research were to be renewed with psychedelics?”
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“There's probably more to it. Yeah. I mean, he would have known it was there was something to do with enthogens, and this sounded like an interesting group. And he had broad interests, so he went.”
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