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Ron Fournier

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“It does. And don't tell them you can't do something whether it's changing something in a business or changing politics because it hasn't been done before. Just get the heck out of their way and give them a laptop. And they'll find the other people who have the same passion and they'll bootstrap a solution to it. And I think eventually they're going to do that to our political system from the outside in. A lot of those great social entrepreneurship you've seen being done in places like Chicago and Detroit are basically micro institutions, micro governments, micro agencies that I think are going to involve to a new way of governing, a new way of campaigning. That's my hope anyhow.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Four things happening at once. Well, that's the gilded age. That's Lincoln's generation. That's the founding generation. A couple things happen. One, we start hating all of our institutions and we start throwing out precedents in Congress. Or in the case of the founding generation, we actually create a new country. And also you have a generation that comes out that's shaped by those times. Our kids were shaped by new technology, economic change, demographic change. And that's my only hopeful thing as I look at this millennial generation and I see the makings of the next greatest generation.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's part of the new technology. Definitely. Yeah. And so all those things are creating great anxiety, great disruption. And all of our institutions aren't adapting to all that change, including my industry, including the media industry. Certainly politics and government isn't adapting to those changes. So what happens when we have those...”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Three or four decades. On top of that, the kind of technological change that we haven't seen since the Industrial Revolution. On top of it, the kind of demographic change that we haven't seen in 100 years. And on top of that, a new form of warfare that makes people anxious and not sure how to handle. We only get those.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, it's a confluence of things, I think. You have the huge economic change, not just the recession, but we're changing the way we live.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that to me, you could make an argument that the only thing scarier than Donald Trump, who I can't tell you I'm more strongly opposed to than Donald Trump. But the only thing scarier than him getting elected is him losing in the establishment declaring victory and the political class in Washington and state capitol say, okay, we don't need change. Because then people are going to get really upset. And there will be a lot more people with even sharper pitchforks two years from now and four years from now. We do need to kind of change that people are demanding that's got them looking at a 72-year-old socialist in a celebrity billionaire who has no right even being near the White House, let alone one foot in it.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and they're just looking for change in the worst way, I like to joke, and Donald Trump would be the worst freaking way.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, a lot of those people now live where we have our only property. We own our only house. We own as a northern Michigan. And I spent all summer there last year. And this is Reagan Democrat country up the lower part of the upper part of the lower peninsula. And I'm talking to all these folks. These are good, decent people, smart people who know their politics, who know their country, who are all telling me, yeah, I know he's crazy, but boy, he's ticking off you guys in the media. Yeah, I know he's crazy, but boy, he's sticking it to the folks in Republican Party. Yeah, I know he's crazy, but he can't be worse than what we have now. So I started calling them crazy butts. And then I see, I just got the local paper came in the mail yesterday from Northern Michigan. And in this township that we have we're at all the time, Donald Trump got more than 50% of the Republican vote. And these are all Reagan Democrats. And again, the perception that they're all bigots or they're all stupid. Yes, some are, but these are hard-working Americans who for the last”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't have a clue I did know from the beginning that Donald Trump was a reflection of a very angry America and whether or not he lasted a week or became president that the real story here, which is how disconnected we are from our politics and all of our institutions and how we're craving change in politics, that story is not going to go away until somebody positively changes it.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There you go. And we haven't had it with a party on the brink of totally blowing up or at least being transformed since probably the turn of the century. So I can draw you a path to where it's somebody other than Trump or Cruz, but it's not a very clear one. I'm ready for anything this. That's why the cycle is so fun to cover. Because if you're really smart about politics, you know you have no idea what's going to happen.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, it would blow the party up. Now the argument is the party's going to get blown up anyhow, so let's try to get the right man or woman in charge. But this is impossible to predict because we haven't had even the possibility of a contested convention since, what, 76? And we haven't had it with”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably 50 50 at this point. And if it's not Trump, if it's Cruz, I still think she's by far the front runner. If we go to a contested convention and somebody other than those two comes out, which I think is possible, I think Paul Ryan would give her a harder time.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think she can change those numbers a bit. And like I said, if you look at the structural advantages that a Democrat has, especially if the Democrat's running against Donald Trump. I think she becomes.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you can get elected president if you draw, if you're running against the right party and the right candidate. My problem is I don't think you can lead effectively. I could see her being president. I think chances are she will be the next president. But can you lead and really transform that office, transform the way we govern, transform the way we campaign to help transform all of our institutions of society, which is what the kind of period we're going through now? Can you do that if 55, 60% of the public doesn't trust you? And if people really don't see you as authentic and you're not leading from your heart, how can you transform the way we do business if you're afraid of failing? How can you be a disruptor if you're afraid of failing?”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't because the proof is in the pudding. She's still saying that she did violated policy and she still isn't being totally honest about what happened and why it happened. So no, I don't think she, again, I can understand it. It's probably impossible for her to forget all of the slights that she's experienced, some of them which are perceived in her own head, many of which are very legitimate.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I can understand why she's guard. I can understand why she doesn't trust us in the media. I can understand why she doesn't trust anybody other than her inner circle. But my point from the beginning of the email scandal was you've got to get over it. If you want to be more than just somebody who wins an election, if you want to be a transformational president, you've got to understand that this kind of secrecy and then the kind of dissembling about why you're being secret just isn't going to fly. The public has changed so much since the 90s and we demand so much more than we did just a generation ago that you've got to be transparent or you can't lead.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think so. At least that's the conclusion I've come to and have written about that I can understand why she feels guarded after people accuse them of a land deal, for example, in Arkansas called Whitewater that they really lost money on. And that turned into a controversy that went far beyond that. There's a lot of stuff that she's been accused of that she is rightfully accused of, but there's a lot of stuff that they've both been accused of that, for example, one of her best friends in the world, a man who I knew very well and really respected Vince Foster. Fence unfortunately killed himself. That's all that happened. It was a very depressed man who killed himself. I can't imagine what it's like to hear some of the other stuff that's been alleged around that.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To let go. What if, for example, she'd run the kind of campaign? This is going to sound odd, but bear with me that Donald Trump has. Obviously, not a bigoted, sexist, vacuous policy-wise campaign, but incredibly accessible. Incredibly”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For a lot of reasons that you might know better, I always thought it was partly because of all the scar tissue built up politically, all the criticism she got, some fairs, some not over the years. Maybe dealing with the personal scandals involving her husband. But for whatever reason, there's this wall, this thick layer of scar tissue between herself and the public. And she strikes me as someone who's, I don't know if you play sports, but clutching the bat, the baseball player who's so afraid of striking up that he's squeezing the bat, to me that Hillary Clinton, she's been squeezing the handle of the bat her entire career and has been afraid.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Completely, and I would love to know your theory on this. The only thing I've been able to come up with is for some reason she lacks one of Bill Clinton's greatest attributes, which is fearlessness. Bill Clinton campaigns like it's the last day that he'll ever be able to campaign and he lives every day like it's his last, partly because of his upbringing. Yeah, he lost his father as a baby and was raised by an abusive stepfather. In a wonderfully esoteric mother. But Hillary Clinton...”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I tell you, the best evidence of it is, and you and I have talked about this, was, you know, how he has come to her defense in the campaigns and how it throws him off his game when she's attacked. I mean, this is a man who obviously adores.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think you'll be accused of that. But look, I can't tell you what the relationship is like because, frankly, I can't tell you what your relationship is like or my neighbors. I'm not in their house. And it's probably not like mine. It may not even be a type of relationship that most people are accustomed to seeing. But I can tell you it's genuine. They really do love each other. There's a deep amount of respect there.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not even close. Funny, warm, can have a conversation, it's a dialogue where Bill Clinton's brilliant, but it's pretty much a monologue. Bill Clinton can tell a good joke, but Hillary Clinton is just more funny spontaneously in the conversation. Yeah, and she's just, I've just always liked her.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I'm one of the people who has seen and believe in, you hear about the other Hillary, it's almost become a cliche that there's this other Hillary that has never been seen. I've seen it. She in Littoraca, we would occasionally bump into each other. We both like to take walks around downtown at lunch, and we would take long walks together, not friends, but a neighbor, basically. When she was first lady, I used to go on foreign trips with her, where she really did kind of let her hair down and talk to the press quite a bit and had a lot of real people time. I see her as, I've said for years, David, that if I could have dinner or drink with one of the Clintons, I would take Hillary Hands down. It wouldn't even be close. Funny.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This really did change the family. And if nobody buys this book, although I hope everybody does, we've gotten more out of it than we ever thought we would. It's all gravy from here.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I sure as heck am but I've always thought it was a cliche when authors say that a book was a cathartic and it helped help them out while this case really is true.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm definitely, the family's probably stronger because I'm a better piece of it now, having really looked inside myself and okay, here's how you have to get better. And I'm still, you know, maybe 60% where I need to be. But I'm a little bit further down, at least we're somewhere. It's a”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know if they are because my wife is just a rock. She's always been very strong. We're both blessed that way. Oh my God. What a wonderful woman”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Cool with that. Yeah, no, no. He knew from the beginning that we were taking these trips because mom wanted us to and that mom was going to want me to write a magazine article. That was a plan from the beginning. And he knew from the beginning that he had veto authority right on through. So he read the last draft of the magazine piece and actually, if you go back and look at it, his comments, him editing actually ended up making for a nice ending of that piece. And the same thing with the book up until two weeks ago, he could have pulled the rug out from beneath the book. We weren't going to do anything that he wasn't totally comfortable with. And with the girls of my wife, they were part of the process. Some of the hardest stuff I did was interviewing my wife and my kids, especially my wife. And they, of course, read all the drafts. And there was some stuff, a couple things that I can't go into, obviously, where we did pull back a little bit, not with Tyler, but with my daughters.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Certainly not in journalism He's a good kid. We just wanted to make him help him be the best that he can. It's a cliche, but that's what we want for him.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now, my definition of happiness is, you know, is he going to be able to be as good as he can possibly be? Which photographers are going to be a fully functioning member of the society? And will he be a good man? Will he be somebody who his neighbors can count on and whose employers can count on and who's able to, like a lot of these men and women on autism, we're realizing that because of what makes them a little bit different, they bring a lot to the table culturally that makes us a better place. They're very detail-oriented. So they're off the charts with their IQs. They can't lie. They are just totally guileless individuals. They're just big-hearted, sweet people. So that's what I see them going.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I want them to be happy and healthy My definition for both those have changed. You had asked me 10 years ago happy would be he'd be a great athlete and would marry an attractive wealthy woman and they both be obviously graduates and be living in a great neighborhood.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they spend 10 years. The cliche has been the next 10 years in their parents' basement. And it would be natural for Tyler just to crawl within himself. And so the trick for us is to help nudge him outside of himself without pushing. And how do you know? It's like with any parent, even with an atypical, even with a neurotypical child, how do you know when to push? And cajo”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But luckily, we're going to have the means to kind of replace the services that he's had through school. So he'll have a therapist, he'll have, we'll make sure he's got a part-time job, probably do some volunteerism work to keep him busy basically, to keep him growing, because the doctors would tell you, especially these young men with Asperger's syndrome, with high functioning autism, they have another 10 years after they hit 18 where they can still really develop if you keep them out in the world and if you keep teaching them these skills that come naturally to most of the rest of us. But what tends to happen is one or two things. Because they're so bright, they'll go off to a four-year college, but then they get lost social and they crawl within themselves. Depression's a big problem with them and isolation is a big problem with them because they're kind of off on their own. And the only thing they're strong at is academics, not the social part of life. Or they don't go anywhere.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For a parent, it is Laurie and I'm hard to sleep at night. And God forbid what should happen if we're not there for him anymore. And really the scary thing is what if I didn't have a job? What if I was a single parent? What if instead of raising them in suburban Washington, I was raising them in the inner city of Detroit?”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People need to understand that, yeah, we do because of some of the legislation that's been passed in the last generation or two. There's a lot of support that comes with these kids through the public school system. And if the public school can't provide services to these kids, the money follows them to the private school. It's a wonderful thing this country is doing for its children, for its future.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's doing really good. Thanks for asking. He's a senior in high school in Arlington, Virginia. He'll be graduating in a couple months. We're going to have him probably, he wants to go to college. He doesn't think, we don't think he's quite ready for a four-year college yet. More socially than academically. Like a lot of these kids, he's really, really smart. So we're looking to put together the kind of package around the kind of services and support around him that frankly fall off the cliff once these kids graduate from high school. And again, I don't think that”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As big as a mountain, and she's brushing away the hair from his eyes. And I write in a book as I turn around, I'm thinking to myself, you know, this isn't turn around to have the photo taken. The problem here isn't Tyler or even the autism, the problem's here is me. I need to stop being so worried about how he is being perceived by other people and help him be as good as he can possibly be.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I feel guilty to this day that I should have been able to tell him there's nothing you'll say, son, that would ever embarrass me or ever make me not proud of you. But instead, all I could think about was, oh my God, he's going to embarrass himself or embarrass me. And you can imagine what happened next. No sooner than I'm going through that and Toddler's trying to screw up the courage to do something that's very, very hard for NASP. I walk up and I grab the president's hand. Tyler's behind me, and President Obama asked me about my basketball game because we've played together. He knows how terrible I am. And I look all the corner of my eye, and Michelle Obama is rapping my son and is patented Michelle Obama hug.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, the couple in front of us is now being introduced to the president. As you know, it's a very formal setting, and the Marine Guard is introducing him. And so we're going to be next. And Tyler does his last practice, hello, Mr. President. He looks up to me and he says, I hope I don't let you down, Dad. Which even now makes me, I mean, what kind of dad raises their son to feel that kind of resentment or embarrassment?”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yep, and he's always kind of bothering them, and like some guy comes up with the tuxedo and the tray of bacon wrapped shrimp and toddler and says, I hate shrimp. And again, I got that feeling you were talking about. Oh, no, he's embarrassing me”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And the whole time. So usually Lori went with me, but she gave me the invitation and she said, take Tyler. So Tyler and I are standing in this long line of 45 minute long line of other journalists, blow-dried TV anchors and other stuffy columnists like myself. And for 45 minutes, Tyler's practicing what comes natural to most of us. Hello, Mr. President. Hello, Mr. President. He's pretending to shake a hand. Hello, Mr. President. Hello, Mr. President. We go all the way through the line the whole time. Hello, Mr. President. Hello, Mr. President.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you got to step up and get him out in the world to do things that we just discovered aren't just uncomfortable for him, but they're unnatural, like shaking hands and looking people in the eyes and modulating his voice and not interrupting. And what you're going to do, and literally, this is as we're walking through the car, you're going to go to presidential sites and historical sites because that was one of Tyler's fixations. And as you know, kids with autism have fixations. And it was, as she said, it was the presidency that kept you away from him and the girls. So let's use your job to help them. So our first stop was actually at your White House. You might have been there. It was at the Christmas party that President Obama had for the press in December of 2010.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first, you end up with a good point. We are blessed in many ways. One, we have enough money and resources and time to take care of my son. I feel terrible for folks with special needs, especially austism, who can't take care of their children the way that we could. But this was Lori. She's the hero of the story. We walked out of the doctor's office when he was diagnosed, and she got tears in these beautiful blue eyes. And she says, it's time to step up, buddy. It's time to step up.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even broader, I tell you, Hillary Clinton's famous phrase it takes a village, has never met more to me than when we start dealing with Tyler's issues. Because for us, it's not just a family, but it's the neighbors and the friends and the friends we lost, the friends we gained. It's the principal, I think I've written in a book, one of the greatest leaders I've met in Washington is his high school principal, who's created this incredible culture for him. So it really does take a village for us to help those amongst us who have the most need.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And because of that, I don't know what your view is, but certainly with my family, my daughter's the older ones. You just described them completely. But you didn't end the story with the fact that because of what they went through, they are two of the most wise, mature, caring, incredible young ladies, in part because they helped raise their brother.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly. He feels our pain. George Bush isn't as good at that. But I've always thought in a room, Bush is much better in the one-on-one, one-on-four of reading a room and breaking people down psychologically and understanding how to push their buttons. Bill Clinton is much better on a broader scale, but he's not as good in a room, I don't think, as George Bush. And in this case, while men were both very gracious, Tyler actually saw more of himself and Bill Clinton, which is interesting being an Aspy. And it was George Bush who really unlocked Tyler's mind when he met him for the book when Tyler was 12 years old.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which is Because it's a different skill test. One thing I'd always kind of thought about Bill Clinton and Bush was kind of confirmed in the interactions they had with Tyler. Bill Clinton obviously could read a country better than maybe any political leader on this nation's history. He feels”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The title of the book Love That Boy. And if you'd asked me them what I would have said, I think what he means by that is I should love my boy despite his idiosyncrasies, despite the fact that he's quirky throughout the course of the book and maturing a little bit and being honest with myself, I now realize love that boy because of his idiosyncrasies. Love him because of what makes him different.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In particular, he grabs me by the hand, shaking my hand, and he gets real close, kind of eyeball to eyeball that Clinton is famous for. He looks at me almost like a presidential directive and says, love that boy. At the time, I thought it was kind of a nice thing to say.”
2016-04-14 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 41 - Ron Fournier · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source