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  1. Yeah, and there's meaning and purpose and hope and joy and love and all these awesome things that make it all worthwhile to.

    2019-06-17 · Lex Fridman Podcast · Rosalind Picard: Affective Computing, Emotion, Privacy, and Health · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. and that there is meaning that there is such a thing as meaning, which by the way science can't prove either. We have to kind of start with some assumptions that there's things like truth and meaning. And these are really questions philosophers own, right? This is their space, philosophers and theologians at some level. So these are things science, you know, if we when people claim that science will tell you all truth, there's a name for that. It's its own kind of faith. It's scientism. And it's very myopic.

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  3. Those truths there's something in you that sings and knows that there is more than what I can prove mathematically or program a computer to do. Don't get me wrong, the math is gorgeous. The computer programming can be brilliant. It's inspiring, right? We want to do more. None of this squashes my desire to do science or to get knowledge through science. I'm not dissing the science at all. grow even more in awe of what the science can do because I'm more in awe of all there is we don't know and really at the heart of science you have to have a belief that there's truth that there's something greater to be discovered and some scientists may not want to use the faith word but it's faith that drives us to do science it's faith that there is truth that there's something to know that we don't know that it's worth knowing that it's worth working hard

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  4. Well, I think there's a grand adventure, and I think this life is a part of it. I think there's a lot more to it than meets the eye and the heart and the mind and the soul here. I think we see bud through a glass dimly in this life. We see only a part of all there is to know. If people haven't read the Bible, they should if they consider themselves educated, and you could read Proverbs and find tremendous wisdom in there that cannot be scientifically proven, but when you read it, there's something in you like a musician knows when the instrument's played right and it's beautiful. There's something in you that comes alive and knows that there's a truth there, that it's like your strings are being plucked by the master instead of by me, all right, playing when I pluck it, but probably when you play, it sounds spectacular, right? And when you encounter...

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  5. By the way, that's my street address. My husband and I guessed the exact same number for our house. We got to pick it. And there's a reason we picked 42. Yeah.

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  6. It just isn't. There are other ways that work also, like knowledge of love with someone. You don't prove your love through science, right? So history, philosophy, love, a lot of other things in life show us that there's more ways to gain knowledge and truth if you're willing to believe there is such a thing, and I believe there is, then science. I am a scientist, however, and in my science, I do limit my science to the things that the scientific method can do. But I recognize that it's myopic to say that that's all there is.

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  7. It's fine to limit the scientific method to things we can measure and reason about and reproduce. That's fine. I think we have to recognize that sometimes we scientists also believe in things that happen historically. I believe the Holocaust happened. I can't prove events from past history scientifically. You prove them with historical evidence, right? With the impact they had on people, with eyewitness testimony and things like that. So a good thinker recognizes that science is one of many ways to get knowledge. It's not the only way. And there's been some really bad philosophy and bad thinking recently, you can call it scientism, where people say science is the only way to get to truth. And it's not.

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  8. Well, Sophia Robot's already been given rights as a citizen in Saudi Arabia, right? Even before women have full rights, then the robot was still put back in the box to be shipped to the next place where it would get a paid appearance.

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  9. Will they be conscious there will be attempts to program them to make them appear to be conscious? We can already write programs that make it look like, what do you mean? Of course I'm aware that But does it actually have conscious experience like we do? Nobody has a clue how to do that yet. That seems to be something that is beyond what any of us knows, how to build now. Will it have to have that? I think you can get pretty far with a lot of stuff without it. Will we accord it rights? Well, that's more a political game that it is a question of real consciousness.

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  10. So we have these embodied is more powerful embodied when you compare interactions with an embodied robot versus a video of a robot versus no robot. The robot is more engaging. The robot gets our attention more. The robot, when you walk in your house, is more likely to get you to remember to do the things that you asked it to do because it's kind of got a physical presence. You can avoid it if you don't like it. It could see you're avoiding it. There's a lot of power to being embodied. There will be embodied AIs. Great power and opportunity and potential. There will also be AIs that aren't embodied, that just are little software assistants that help us with different things that may get to know things about us.

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  11. It depends on your goals if you're making a movie, it needs a body, it needs a gorgeous body, it needs to act like it has consciousness, it needs to act like it has emotion, right? Because that's what sells. That's what's going to get me to show up and enjoy the movie. Okay, in real life, does it need all that? Well, if you've read Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, you know, it could just be like a little voice in your earring, right? And you could have an intimate relationship and it could get to know you and it doesn't need to be a robot. That doesn't make this compelling of a movie, right? I mean, we already think it's kind of weird when a guy looks like he's talking to himself on the train, you know, even though it's earbuds.

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  12. I think we can simulate it in ways that could Know, sustain engagement for a while. Would it be as good as another person? I don't think so, for if you're used to good people. Now, if you've just grown up with nothing but abuse and you can't stand human beings, can we do something that helps you there, that gives you something through a machine? Yeah, but that's a pretty low bar, right? If you've only encountered pretty awful people. If you've encountered wonderful, amazing people, we're nowhere near building anything like that. And I would not bet on building it. I would bet instead on building the kinds of AI that helps kind of raise all boats, that helps all people be better people, helps all people figure out if they're getting sick tomorrow and helps give them what they need to stay well tomorrow. That's the kind of AI I want to build that improves human lives, not the kind of AI that just walks on the tonight show and people go, wow.

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  13. More than $75,000 buys. So, how do we connect up the people who have real needs with the people who have the ability to build the future and build the kind of future that truly improves the lives of all the people that are currently being left behind?

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  14. Maybe a little more time and attention hanging out with them and learning what are their challenges in life, what are their needs, how do we help them have job skills, how do we help them have a hope and a future and a chance to have the great life that so many of us building technology have. And then how would that reshape the kinds of AI that we build? How would that reshape the new apps that we build? Or the maybe we need to focus on how to make things more low cost and green instead of thousand dollar phones. I mean, come on. You know, why can't we be thinking more about things that do more with less for these books? Quality of life is not related to the cost of your phone. It's not something that, you know, it's been shown that what about $75,000 of income and happiness is the same. However, I can tell you you get a lot of happiness from helping other people.

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  15. I would really like to see my fellow brilliant researchers step back and say what are the really hard problems that we don't know how to solve that come from people maybe we don't even see in our normal life because they're living in the poor places they're stuck on the bus they can't even afford the uber or the lyft or the data plan or all these other wonderful things we have that we keep improving on. Meanwhile, there's all these folks left behind in the world and they're struggling with horrible diseases, with depression, with epilepsy, with diabetes, with just awful stuff that

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  16. Yeah, it does. The FDA performs a very important good role in keeping people safe. They keep things, they put you through tons of safety testing, and that's wonderful. And that's great. I'm all in favor of the safety testing. Sometimes they put you through additional testing that they don't have to explain why they put you through it and you don't understand why you're going through it. And it doesn't make sense. And that's very frustrating. And maybe they have really good reasons. And they just would do people a service to articulate those reasons.

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  17. Computer science technology. It's so agonizing. It's much harder than publishing multiple papers in top medical journals. Yeah, we published peer-reviewed top medical journal neurology, best results, and that's not good enough for the FDA.

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  18. A suit up is an acronym S-U-D-E-P, and it stands for the number two cause of years of life lost, actually, among all neurological disorders. Stroke is number one, sued up is number two, but most people haven't heard of it. Actually, I'll plug my TED talk. It's on the front page of TED right now that talks about this. And we hope to change that. everybody who's heard of SIDS and stroke will now hear of Sudap because we think in most cases it's preventable if people take their meds and aren't alone when they have a seizure not guaranteed to be preventable there are some exceptions but we think most cases probably are

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  19. We've already published the strong correlations between the size of this response and the flattening that happens afterwards. And unfortunately also in a real suit-up case where the patient died because we don't know why. We don't know if somebody was there. It would have definitely prevented it. But we know that most sudups happen when the person's alone.

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  20. Before that happens, we see a big skin conductance response in the data that we have. The longer this flattening, the bigger our response here. So we have been trying to learn, you know, initially like why are we getting a big response here when there's nothing here? Well, it turns out there's something much deeper. So we can now go inside the brains of some of these individuals fabulous people who usually aren't ceasing and get this data and start to map it. So that's the active research that we're doing right now with top medical partners.

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  21. Skin conductance response Who would have thunk it, right? Like nothing here but something here in fact right after seizures that we think are the most dangerous ones that precede what's called pseudap sudden unexpected death and epilepsy There's a period where the brain waves go flat and it looks like the person's brain has stopped but it hasn't the activity has gone deep into a region that can make the cortical activity look flat like a quick shutdown signal here It can unfortunately cause breathing to stop if it progresses long enough.

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  22. As we learned this and then later built embrace that's now FDA cleared for seizure detection, we have also built relationships with some of the most amazing doctors in the world who not only help people with unusual brain activity or epilepsy, but some of them are also surgeons and they're going in and they're implanting electrodes not just to momentarily read the strange patterns of brain activity that we'd like to see return to normal, but also to read out continuously what's happening in some of these deep regions of the brain during most of life when these patients are not seizing. Most of the time they're not seizing. Most of the time they're fine. And so we are now working on mapping those deep brain regions that you can't even usually get with EEG scalp electrodes because the changes deep inside don't reach the surface. But interesting, when some of those regions are activated, we see a big

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  23. And since then, we've learned that seizures cause this unusual electrical activity. And depending where the seizure is, if it's in one place and it's staying there, you can have a big electrical response we can pick up with a wearable at one part of the body. You can also have a seizure that spreads over the whole brain, generalized grandma seizure, and that response spreads and we can pick it up pretty much anywhere.

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  24. In trying to figure out how on earth you could be stressed on one wrist and not the other, like, how can you get sweaty on one wrist, right? When you get stressed with that sympathetic fight or flight response, like you kind of should like sweat more in some places than others, but not more on one wrist than the other. That didn't make any sense. We learned that what had actually happened was a part of his brain had unusual electrical activity, and that caused an unusually large sweat response on one wrist and not the other.

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  25. Very little. It's so amazing. You know, they used to think like, oh, if you remove this chunk of the brain and you find this function goes away, well, that's the part of the brain that did it. And then later they realized if you remove this other chunk of the brain, that function comes back. And oh no, we really don't understand it. Brains are so interesting and changing all the time and able to change in ways that will probably continue to surprise us. When we were measuring stress, you may know the story where we found an unusual big skin conductance pattern on one wrist in one of our kids with autism.

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  26. Originally, I was a computer architect and I was building hardware and computer designs and I wanted to build ones that work like the brain. So I've been studying the brain as long as I've been studying how to build computers

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  27. Is a really empowering thing. It's huge. And we need to maybe, you know, if there's regulations, maybe that's number one to protect is people's ability to, it's easy to opt out as to opt-in.

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  28. Take it off, right? Now it's not sensing me. So if I'm uncomfortable with what it's sensing, Now I'm free. If I'm comfortable with what it's sensing, and I happen to know everything about this one and what it's doing with it, so I'm quite comfortable with it, then I have control. I'm comfortable. Control is one of the biggest factors for an individual in reducing their stress. If I have control over it, if I know all there is to know about it, then my stress is a lot lower and I'm making an informed choice about whether to wear it or not or when to wear it or not. I want to wear it sometimes, maybe not others.

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  29. It's interesting. I think what people sometimes don't, you know, it's fine in the early days people would say, oh, wearing something or giving blood is invasive, right? Whereas a camera is less invasive because it's not touching you. I think on the contrary, the things that are not touching you are maybe the scariest because you don't know when they're on or off. And you don't know when And you don't know who's behind it, right? Awwwable, depending upon what's happening. In a sense, you have the most control over it because it's also very easy to just.

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  30. Rhythm of behaviors over about a week. When we look at that, we are very accurate at forecasting tomorrow's stress, mood, and happy, sad mood and health. And when we look at which pieces of that are most useful, First of all, if you have all the pieces, you get the best results. If you have only the wearable, you get the next best results. That's still better than 80 accurate at forecasting tomorrow's levels.

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  31. So here I'm going to answer empirically with data and studies we've been doing. We've been doing studies now with lots of different kinds of people, but where we've published data, and I can speak publicly to it, the data are limited right now to New England college students. So that's a small group. Among New England college students, when they are wearing a wearable, like the empatic embrace here that's measuring skin conductance, movement, temperature, and when they are using a smartphone that is collecting their time of day of when they're texting who they're texting, their movement around it, their GPS, the weather information based upon their location, and when it's using machine learning and putting all of that together, and looking not just at right now, but looking at your

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  32. And that could actually be a little bit more scary with certain kinds of governmental control freak people who want to know more about are you on their team or are you not?

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  33. You think we can't read your motion and we can. It's not that binary. What we're reading is more some physiological changes that relate to your activation. Now, that doesn't mean that we know everything about how you feel. In fact, we still know very little about how you feel. Your thoughts are still private. Your nuanced feelings are still completely private. We can't read any of that. So there's some relief that we can't read that. Even brain imaging can't read that. Wearables can't read that. However, as we read your body state changes and we know what's going on in your environment and we look at patterns of those over time, we can start to make some inferences about what you might be feeling. And that is where it's not just the momentary feeling, but it's more your stance toward things.

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  34. So then you can hide that on your face for a limited amount of time. Now, if you're just going in for a brief interview and you're hiding it, that's pretty easy for most people. If you are, however, surveilled constantly everywhere you go, then it's going to say, gee, you know, Lex used to smile a lot, and now I'm not seeing so many smiles. And Ros used to, you know, laugh a lot and smile a lot very spontaneously. And now I'm only seeing these not so spontaneous looking smiles. And only when she's asked these questions. You know, that's something's changed here.

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  35. So we get things people can't see using a regular camera. And from that we can tell things about your stress. So if you were just sitting there with a blank face thinking nobody can read my emotion, well, you're wrong.

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  36. We're very limited when we just look at the face, but we can get further than most people think we can get. People think, hey, I have a great poker face, therefore all you're ever going to get from me is neutral. Well, that's naive. We can read with the ordinary camera on your laptop or on your phone. We can read from a neutral face if your heart is racing. We can read from a neutral face if your breathing is becoming irregular and showing signs of stress. We can read under some conditions that maybe I won't give you details on, how your heart rate variability power is changing that could be a sign of stress even when your heart rate is not necessarily accelerating.

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  37. Know like a power obsessed sick dictator individual who only wants to control other people to get your jollies in life, then yeah, you want to use AI to extend your power in your scale to force people into submission. If you believe that the human race is better off being given freedom and the opportunity to do things that might And helps balance the power between the weak and the strong, not that gives more power to the strong.

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  38. What is the objective function? Is it to calm people down? Sometimes, is it to always make people happy and calm them down? Well, there was a book about that, right? The Brave New World Make Everybody Happy, take your Soma if you're unhappy, take your happy pill. And if you refuse to take your happy pill, well, we'll threaten you by sending you to Iceland to live there. I lived in Iceland three years. It's a great place. Don't take your soma. Go to Iceland. A little TV commercial there. I was a child there for a few years. It's a wonderful place. So that part of the book never scared me. But really, like, do we want AI to manipulate us into submission, into making us happy? Well, if you are a

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  39. I'd say you're trash because I paid for you, right? You you've got to remember, and this is where this blending human AI as if we're equals is really deceptive because AI is something at the end of the day that my students and I are making in the lab and we're choosing what it's allowed to say, when it's allowed to speak, what it's allowed to listen to, what it's allowed to act on given the inputs that we choose to expose it to, what outputs it's allowed to have. It's all something made by a human. And if we want to make something that makes our lives miserable, fine, I wouldn't invest in it as a business, you know, unless it's just there for self-regulation training. But I think we, you know, we need to think about what kind of future we want. And actually, your question, I really like the

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  40. And so, if we're doing an AI human interaction that's helping build resilience and self-control, whether it's to learn how to not be a bully or how to turn the other cheek or how to deal with an abusive person in your life, then you might need an AI that pushes your buttons, right? But in general, do you want an AI that pushes your buttons? Depends on your personality. I don't. I want one that's respectful, that is there to serve me, and that is there to extend my ability to do things. I'm not looking for a rival, I'm looking for a helper. And that's the kind of AI I'd put my money on.

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  41. Yeah, yeah. At times when you want to have a little push and pull, think of kids sparring, right? You know, I see my sons and one of them wants to provoke the other to be upset. And that's fun. And it's actually healthy to learn where your limits are, to learn how to self-regulate. You can imagine a game where it's trying to make you mad and you're trying to show self-control.

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  42. Offer you products or Amazon that's primarily funded on you buying things from their store. So I think we should be, you know, maybe we need regulation in the future to put a little bit of a wall between these agents that have access to our emotion and agents that want to sell us stuff. Maybe there needs to be a little bit more of a firewall in between those.

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  43. You'll pay more to change your situation. You'll pay more for something you don't even need to make yourself feel better. So, you know, if they sound a little sad, maybe I don't want to cheer them up. Maybe first I want to help them get something, little shopping therapy, right, that helps them.

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  44. People want to know if the person is happy or stressed in part. So let me give you an altruistic reason and a business profit motivated reason and there are people in companies that operate on both principles. The altruistic people really care about their customers and really care about helping you feel a little better at the end of the day. And it would just make those people happy if they knew that they made your life better. If you came home stressed and after talking with their product, you felt better. There are other people who maybe have studied the way affect affects decision making and prices people pay and they know if I should tell you like the work of Jen Lerner on heart strings and purse strings you know if we manipulate you into a slightly sadder mood you'll pay

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  45. Of these companies are very interested in understanding human emotion. They want more people are telling Siri every day they want to kill themselves. Apple wants to know the difference between if a person is really suicidal versus if a person is just kind of fooling around with Siri, right? The words may be the same, the tone of voice and what surrounds those words is pivotal to understand if they should respond in a very serious way, bring help to that person, or if they should kind of jokingly tease back, you know, ah, you just want to, you know, sell me for something else. How do you respond when somebody says that? Well, you know, you do want to err on the side of being careful and taking it seriously.

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  46. But it's just a movie, right? It's scripted. It's just, you know, but I mean, like. There can be a real interaction where the character can learn and you can learn. You could imagine it not just being you and one character. You could imagine a group of characters. You can imagine a group of people and characters, human and AI, connecting where maybe a few people can't sort of be friends with everybody, but the few people and their AIs can be friends more people. There can be an extended human intelligence in there where each human can connect with more people that way. But it's still very limited, but there are just what I mean is there are many more possibilities than what's in that movie.

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  47. Amazing writing in Ender's game and Speaker for the Dead Terrible title, but those kind of books that pull you into a character and you feel like social, it's very connected, even though it's not responding to you. And a computer, of course, can respond to you. So it can deepen it, right? You can have a very deep connection, much more than the movie. You know, plays up, right?

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  48. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, a great book can kind of alleviate loneliness because you just get sucked into this amazing story and you can't wait to go spend time with that character, right? And they're not a human character. There is a human behind it. Ah, but yeah, it can be an incredibly delightful way to pass the hours. And it can meet needs even I don't read those trashy romance books, but somebody does, right? And what are they getting from this? Well, probably some of that feeling of being there, right? Being there in that social moment, that romantic moment or connecting with somebody. I've had a similar experience reading some science fiction books and connecting with the character Orson Scott Card.

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  49. Anybody could join. We need all kinds of people. And you don't need to be a social person. I'm not trying to force people who don't like people to suddenly become social. At the same time, if most of the people building the AIs of the future are the kind of people who don't like people, we've got a little bit of a problem.

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  50. I want you to know this is my only social event of the year, my one social event of the year. Okay, now this is a brilliant machine learning person, right? And we need that kind of brilliance in machine learning. And I love that computer science welcomes people who love people and people who are very awkward around people. I love that this is a field that

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