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Russell Moore

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  1. Yes, that was at the time I thought I was going to take that path. And those years with Gene were formative in ways I can't even describe because I noticed working for him that when I would talk to other people when I started out as an intern on Capitol Hill in the summer, talked to other people who had reason to be ashamed of their members of Congress and would talk about can't believe what this member of Congress I'm working for is doing. I was seeing somebody who actually was the same person on the house floor as he was driving around the district campaigning. And I also saw someone for whom integrity really mattered. I mean, this was somebody who was out of step, really at every point. He was a Democrat in a

    2021-10-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 465 — Russell Moore · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Ultimately, it was about changing the structures and about persuading the people on the other side. I mean, when King was speaking, he's speaking with the kind of moral imagination that assumes that the people who disagree with him right now can be persuaded. And if not, that their children and their grandchildren could be persuaded. That's just an entirely different mode of activism than what we often see now, which is actually not speaking to the other side. It's speaking for applause from one's own side. And that keeps even the imaginative appeal of persuasion from happening.

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  3. Well, I had a student here at the IOP who asked when I was talking about grievance-based politics that we see now who said, well, wasn't the civil rights movement grievance-based politics? Didn't Dr. King have grievances? And yes, of course, there were specific problems to which he was pointing the bigger system of Jim Crow, but then also the Montgomery bus system and so forth, specific instances.

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  4. People with consciences that ought to pay attention to specific matters, but it doesn't come with a voter registration card. And that's what has changed quite a bit. If you look at the racial differences between white evangelicals and black evangelicals, for instance, it could not be a more of a contrast than that, which tells me that something's going on culturally and sociologically much long before it's happening theologically and congregationally.

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  5. Since the Civil War, and he was a born-again Christian. So that didn't narrowly sort people out into categories. That, of course, changed quite a bit as we moved into the 1980s and then beyond. Some of that, I think, because of changes in the Republican Party, but some of it because of changes in the Democratic Party as well. So there were people who came to conclude the Democratic Party doesn't want us. And so let's ask who does. At the same time that you had people who understood that religion is a powerful organizing tool, which is exactly what I was worried about as a 15-year-old. I do think that there are social and political implications to what the Bible teaches. That forms us into

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  6. Well, the first president I remember, I was five years old when Jimmy Carter was elected. And at that time, there was no predicting on the basis of where someone went to church or didn't go to church, whether that person had voted for Carter or Ford. As a matter of fact, most people that I knew were elated that Jimmy Carter was elected because he was one of us. He was first president from the Deep South.

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  7. Well, the figure of Jesus and reading the Gospels and recognizing this person was transformative for someone who grew up singing, yes, Jesus loves me and all the things that you do in Southern Baptist Sunday school to actually come to believe this is a person who loves me and this person is alive and is worth following. That's what was transformative. And to see that some of the things at present in my home church were culturally bound. I could see that very. But at the heart of it, it was connected to something ancient and historic that goes all the way back to the first century.

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  8. Which means it's just a means to an end. And that was a deeply distressing thought to me. Thankfully, I had read the Chronicles of Narnia so many times as a child that I recognized the name of C.S. Lewis on the spine of mere Christianity. And I brought it home from the bookstore. It was transformative to me, not so much in terms of the arguments because my problem wasn't intellectual. My problem was Am I being sold something? And so you could just tell from, for lack of a better word, tone of voice coming through that book that this was someone who wasn't selling me anything. He was pointing to something deep and rich and ancient. And that helped turn my life.

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  9. Had. And so it seemed like a really cynical use of the faith to argue that there's a Christian view of the balanced budget amendment or the line item veto. And so that caused me to wonder, well, what if this ultimately is just politics?

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  10. The religion became my own when I was about 12, where I was convinced of the truth of the gospel. And I also was feeling a pull toward ministry shortly thereafter. But when I was 15, I went into a major time of spiritual crisis, and quite a bit of it actually had to do with politics because I was looking around at not in my congregation particularly, but just in the broader Bible belt, racism. I was looking at the sort of scandal that we now have seen quite a bit, unfortunately. And I was looking at the use of politics where I could see these voter guides, for instance, that would end up in churches that would have the Christian view and the non-Christian view, and they just happened to line up with all of the issues that whoever the church was supporting as a candidate.

    2021-10-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 465 — Russell Moore · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. Yes, he was working in the car business. And yeah, he just died this past year. So in the year of pandemic and loss, yes, it's been on my mind quite a bit.

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  12. My grandfather was a pastor, pastor of the church I grew up in. My dad not as much. My dad had more of a conflicted relationship to the church because he grew up a pastor's kid. So he had seen the sort of behind the veil dynamics, which are really similar to life in a political leader's home. And so he saw it as a, when I told him that I was planning to go into ministry. It was almost as though I was telling him that I had been arrested because he said, I'm going to support you whatever you do, but I don't want you to get hurt.

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  13. I think largely well accepted. I do remember a great deal of fear in the community when the Vietnamese population first arrived. I remember being a kid and hearing people say on the one hand, these people are coming in to take our welfare dollars. They're going to be dependent on the state. And these people are taking all of our jobs in the seafood industry. And knowing both of those things can't be true at once. One or the other, and of course, neither ended up being true. And they're a vital part of the community now.

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  14. No immigrant from Serbia and Czech Republic area. And then also Vietnamese immigrants after the fall of Vietnam, massive numbers of Vietnamese refugees.

    2021-10-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 465 — Russell Moore · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. Yes, I grew up in Balakia, Mississippi and all of my family was there, which is Biloxi is when people think Mississippi, they think of Tupelo. This is more New Orleans. It's right over the state line from New Orleans. So heavily immigrant population, mostly Catholic Mardi Gras sort of a place

    2021-10-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 465 — Russell Moore · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. Well, thank you. It's been a joy to be here, and I'm really impressed with the students here at the Institute of Politics.

    2021-10-28 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 465 — Russell Moore · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source