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  1. “And wanting to push through what we've been able to accomplish thus far to a successful structural long And so I may be involved, but to do that, there's people that have to ask me, and that's a And they may not, you know. So I get it”

    2022-11-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 511 — Speaker Rusty Bowers · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Yeah, I will speak out. I don't know if there'll be a platform to speak from. I don't know if I'll have a pulpit, but I will do the things I love to do and I'll love to serve in a host of ways. And if an opportunity came, I am especially concerned of a localized issue in the West, that being water”

    2022-11-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 511 — Speaker Rusty Bowers · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “Voting underpinnings, and that we can survive. You don't have the optimism. You can't motivate action. And so I'm hanging in.”

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  4. “And they do it, and I ask them that why is this so important? Why are you talking to me? I mean, who am I? I'm nobody. And they say, I'd say, did you ever hear about me before any of this? They'd go, of course not. I said, that's right. They said, but it's where you are and what you did and what that means to all of us that we've already been down this slide before. And we know that if America doesn't stay strong, we're next and that things that happen in America have ripples here and they're big ripples. So we're very concerned. And as Americans, you know, we swing with whatever the social media of the day says. But for many around the world, this is like big stuff. And so I think it's in many ways people are starting to get it. It's taken a lot of work. And I'm optimistic that enough people will hold the line and demand that the republic be maintained with its democratic.”

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  5. “It's interesting because so many people have called me from around the world and interviewed me almost all the European countries.”

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  6. “A good half of the Republicans in a solid core or solid phalanx of Democrats are going to let this stuff go by without taking some action. So it just looks like a mess in the making at a worst case scenario. Now, if they're all elected, are they going to turn around and say, see, it was fraudulent? I'm guessing they'll say no.”

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  7. “Doesn't matter, it's a defect in the system. And I'm thinking if that's the mentality that the old, I will never give up my position that I've taken here. I won't admit, you know, I should re-look at this. Nothing. It's all full speed ahead and it's playing to a very energized, that's a nice term, bass. And they don't want to hear anything about proof because it doesn't exist. But I just focus on Mr. Fincham, knowing what I do about the man and the bills that he's passed and the things that he's done and said, it is a concern that he would write the next election manual and send it to a election denier attorney general who consented to an election denier governor and it would become the guidance document for elections. Now I think if that happened that this place would just be alive with recall and a whole bunch of other stuff. And there is a legislature and I don't think that”

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  8. “Well, a large amount of disappointment. But the people that elected the election deniers are impervious to being educated. There's Cormack McCarthy, favorite author. A creature can't learn that which its heart has no shape to hold. And there's only one way to hold it, and that's anger and vengeance. It's like, wow, in a political sense. So we don't need proof. We just feel it. And it doesn't matter what proof is presented, like Finch and on that program last night when they showed him, you know, there was, what, 12 actions taken against people for tampering or abusing ballot privileges. And four of those convictions, four ballots in Maricopa County out of, what, three and a half million, 3.2.”

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  9. “She had him and was trying to help others with him. She did her best. And she was loved and admired, and many of her clients, she helped them and just took so much joy in being able to help them. She had her little two rooms full of clothes that she'd travel all over getting people to donate for the, give all the sizes so that when the women came in, she could dress them up and do their hair and help them. And it was a precious thing. Those last four months were her best before things kind of came apart.”

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  10. “The upshot is that it really threw her first bin and she gave up and we would try to keep her going, but she just couldn't do it. So it was hard. And her son now is up at a southern Utah university trying to, he wants to play some football. And so we're trying to be poor replacements and keep it up, you know, the family. That's what it is. And we're grateful for what we've learned through it all.”

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  11. “And her older sister, it was shocking to me to watch these women so nice walk out there and sit back their opponent and turn around just like tigers. But she had challenges at the same time, lecherous men. I'll just leave it at that. But ultimately, God and her cousins, three cousins, all female, a little practice. And they opened it and they each had their certificates of different areas and they were so happy. And that came down hard when they found out we think the bookkeeper was billing in excess of the hours because they didn't keep the books they had hired it out. Anyway.”

    2022-11-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 511 — Speaker Rusty Bowers · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. “Well, I'd go through all of it 50 times. But God has his plans and life comes at you. And yeah, it was tough. But I've thought many times since, how many people in America in the last two years have lost loved ones and have gone through terrible things. It has given Donetta and I a Empathy, a level of empathy we had never known. Other people and their suffering, which I think is a blessing”

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  13. “It's been great. I'm going to be leaving. So good to see you. Bye. And I stood up and left. And so there were several conversations. Also, Nettleson from Montana, the professor. He didn't advocate. He just was just laying out the possibilities, but he said, I've been in politics before. And I said, so what's your advice? He says, it won't work kind of. If you think you can get away with this, you're going for it. And Eastman was, you know, let the courts take a shot at it. You know, just pund it. Anyway”

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  14. “When they came to this Senate after their hearing, the public hearing that Mr. Fincham called and had down at the hotel. Yeah, I heard from them too. And it was a review of the conversation we'd had earlier, all the charges of fraud. Thankfully, some senators really lit into him. And then he says, you know, I'm a Republican. I thought we were all Republicans here. I thought we'd get a little nicer reception trying to, you know, set us back. It wasn't working. We just said, you're asking us, this is a big deal. And then I hit him. I said, you know, I've listened here for a while. Did you bring me my proof? And he did the famous Dodger thing and passed it to Jenna and she passed it to the hotel room. And I said, okay.”

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  15. “I thought it was weird. I had never thought that Justice Thomas would have a relative. I don't even think I realized at the time who she was until somebody said, hey, that's Justice Thomas White. I said, whoa, she's getting into this, you know. But I had a lot of things. I didn't sit and dwell on that much. I had 20,000 emails a day.”

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  16. “I never felt like these guys who are going to hurt me if I don't do anything. What's the downside? I thought, whoa, I'm talking to the president of the United States. I've talked to George Bush, but he was on his way up, not afterwards. But, I mean, we were just talking. I was just me to him, two grown-ups. And I thought, this is a big deal. This is a big deal.”

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  17. “I'd say An understatement. I'm thinking Roll the election, the presidency of the United States. I'm going to do that to my state after all the stuff we've been through out here with COVID and a host of other issues. Now I'm going to say I'm going to be, you know, Don Quixote and I'm going to know.”

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  18. “And it'll be me telling my grandkids that I hung up on the president of the United States trying to pull this off. And he says, well, go for it. And they were kind of chuckling. And I did, and I did. I hung up on it. And Brody called back and he was laughing. He said, Yeah, he's prison. Thought that was pretty funny. I said, I think it's pretty funny. Was an intentional, but it did. And I said, But I want proof, Rudy. This is a big deal now. I got to have the proof. And he said, well, get it to you. I said, you call my lawyer. We'll do. I said, I'm not kidding. You got to call my lawyer and I got to have this discussion. And he never did. Never called the lawyer. Lawyer tried to get in touch with them. Never made contact. And I've talked to him later. That was how that conversation went down.”

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  19. “I'm glad to note it. He did say. But I said, You're asking me now to do something that I feel is against my oath. I took an oath to the Constitution, both national and of my state, and to obey the laws of my state. I'm not going to break those oaths. And they said, well, you know, I said, which one of those do you want me to break? He said, well, you owe your allegiance to the national constitution. I said, oh, this is great. This is a great conversation. But something of this magnitude, I will not even consider without the proof. And I want that proof to my lawyers and my lawyers at this bill. And I'm going to try to give you their number right now. So you got it in mind. I think I can do this on this phone. And I said, Mr. President, I can't use this iPhone. I'm bad with it. I can't even tweet like you can.”

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  20. “I wasn't going to do anything. I told you earlier, and I had told him, I voted for you, walked for you, campaigned for you, but I won't do anything illegal for you. Nothing. And the president said, I don't want you to. I'm not asking you to. And that was kind of a preliminary to the conversation.”

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  21. “These names, right? He goes, Yeah, you have like names of the 200,000 illegal aliens and the 6,000 dead people and blah, blah, blah, others, people who've moved, weren't in the state, et cetera. And he said, yes, we do. I said, you can bring those to me. Yes, yes. I said, well, but why? What's the end result that you're aiming for? So you get a hearing. What? And what's the ask, Rudy? says the president. And he says, well, we understand from a highly placed member of the legislature that there's a law that would allow you rhetorically you to throw out or set aside the Biden electors and replace them with Trump electors if we could show the proof, et cetera. And I said, now that's a new one. I have not heard that one anywhere.”

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  22. “Yeah, things like that. I'm not saying those were the exact numbers, but I'm thinking it's pretty close to those types of numbers. But it was tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of others. And I said, look, okay, that's a big story. And so why are we here talking? What's the ask? And the president says, Rudy, what's the ask? And he says, well, we would like to have a committee to refer and review this stuff publicly in a bona fide committee. Now, my committee chair on federalism issues was Mr. Fincham. And he had already shown that he was milking this thing like he had the COVID-19 challenges. Anything against me. And I wasn't about to let a circus get turned loose from what had happened in the previous three weeks. And so I said, look, I'm not interested in a circus. He said, well, you know, we would very much like to have this open. We don't want to keep this stuff under the rug, blah, blah, blah, trying to do a pitch on me. And I said, but what's the end? What end? You do have...”

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  23. “And I, then when I woke up in the morning, it was just the opposite. Big time wins all over the legislature. But I'm sorry, not for you. And then Rudy says, well, we ought to talk about that. There's a lot of fraud in your state. And I braced myself thinking, okay, here we go again. And he gives these enormous numbers of illegal 300.”

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  24. “Handing stuff. And then the president came on, and similarly, some niceties. He said, you know, you're doing a great job. We're proud, blah, blah, blah. And I said, well, Mr. President, I got to thank you. When I went to sleep on election night, I didn't think I was going to be speaker. I thought I'd pull out the election for my membership, but the elections were going bad for my side. And the people that were supporting me and my speakership against, of all things, Mr. Fincham.”

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  25. “We were just returning from church services. In fact, I had to sing in church that day, and it went well. I felt like I'd done good. And we pulled into church, I mean, into the driveway and Karen Fan, the Senate president I had called. We had been discussing how to make an audit work to reestablish trust our hope, etc. And then she called, I thought maybe about our decisions about an audit. And she said that the White House had called trying to get in touch with her and that she guessed they would probably be trying to get in touch with me and that we should make sure that whatever we do, we're arm in arm, that we're not split. And I said, whatever. News to me, great. She hangs up and immediately the Bluetooth says, you know, the White House. So I pick it up. And Donett had stepped out of the car and gone inside. And it was Rudy after the secretary put me through. It was Rudy and he, you know, gives these compliments. Great job, all this glad.”

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  26. “And she was rolling credit cards to keep the principals down, but I just said, wow, we're in a tight spot. And somebody just said, look, there's an opening with the Arizona Mining Association, a rock products association. And would you be interested? And they hit me right on the wrong day. I mean, my wife was just really worried. And I said, you know, maybe I should. And at the same time, we had a 15, 15 split in the Senate between D's and R's and one of our R's had left us and gone over and made a deal with the D's and become the president. And he was just making my life miserable. So I said, well, let's take the deal and get my family back on track, which we did.”

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  27. “There was some personal things happening in my family that opened up one of my children to, we could see that if it went, it could really go awry, which has proven itself even lately with her demise. But also my wife, I can't remember at the time, I think we were making $18,000 a year and I had seven children.”

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  28. “And so it's causing us all to reassess an environmental issue on where's the balance between rights and responsibilities. And that's big to me. I've tried to make it work and be protective, but give people a chance to express their rights also to pursue their happiness. So there's a balance there.”

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  29. “You certainly need to have extraction industries that are successful, and so many want no extraction save the planet. And I could do like they do and exaggerate the points, you know, back to living in caves and wrapping yourselves in yucca branches. But that's not going to happen. But we do have to have that balance. When we had an initiative to stop the growth in Arizona, I was against it. And I said right then, you don't need to put a circle around growth in Arizona. You just need to wait till they run out of water. Guess what?”

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  30. “No, I wasn't. The challenge is that everybody wants you in a box. I call it ivanizing. I want to Ivan you. I want to identify my villain, vilify my villain, associate my villain with other villains in order to neutralize my villain. And I'm big time about being a good steward. I am a good steward. But I realized that there has to be a balance. I have to have money in order to clean up a toxic waste dump. And I like a fairness and equity in law, which led me to lead the largest environmental effort in Arizona, the super fund effort, to change our super fund structure away from the old lawyer grab bag to something more.”

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  31. “First, the gun range, it wasn't that they built it, it's that they didn't tell anybody. And there was, you know, this mentality, if you can't see the gun going off, you can't hear it. So that really showed me a political thing that I thought was improperly done and contiguous with that. The representative for our area, Stan Barnes, well-known figure here locally, was running, had left the house, was running for the Senate, and opening up a spot. And my LD chair at the time was trying to talk me into running for a precinct committeeman and lined out all the responsibility. I said, if I'm going to do all that, I might as well run for office. And she said, well, Stan's moving. I dare you to take his place. And I said, you dare me? And she says, yeah, I don't think we can get the signatures. I said, when do I have to have them? She says, two weeks. How many? Oh, 400 plus. I said, you got it. I'm going to see if I can do that.”

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  32. “And I thought that's exactly the guy that those women will not vote for. And unfortunately for him, they had the ballots in their hands in Arizona and 60,000 of them left him blank and then all Republicans down ticket. And 18,000 voted for Biden and all Republican down ticket. So they agreed with me. If you'd have just learn how to roll with a punch and laugh at yourself, you'd be president, but he didn't. And that attitude carried over after that enormously when he started pushing the steel image Rudy and others, to my knowledge.”

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  33. “President demonstrated on every contrary criticism he received. And I just thought, can you just put that thing away? You know, ignore it and get back to work. But there was a whole lot of people that just had just started a feeding frenzy, you know, and a culture in the politics complex. And so ultimately, I knew that there was a lot of people, typically younger women 18 to 40, small children, professional educated. They didn't vote for him the first time. And as we came around to the second time, wanting a return to the good part of his administration, I was supportive. And we tried to push the very excellent colleagues that I had, women professional, educated. And we started to see that needle change. But at that first debate, when he went against Biden and just, it was just childish and juvenile and profane.”

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  34. “I don't try to blend them. There's a saying somewhere. If you see a good man, you try to be like him. You see a bad man, you look at yourself. And there were things I supported Ted Cruz in the primaries. I voted for Trump simply because he might change the Supreme Court. And he did. And the first part of his administration, there was a lot of good things working in the environment arena that I did in the legislature. It streamlined permitting. I mean, it was a sea change. But when COVID hit, the one continuity, the one continuum was a very bad attitude with a tweet and a cell phone that the”

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  35. “I thought it was gross. I mean, I knew living with people there whose children died of infantigo and whom I'm not a doctor, but I was the only person around who take antiseptic soaps and clean up wounds and their thighs and try to help in any way I could the local physician who was hard pressed and met some of the most genuinely Christ-like people who had given up their lives to go serve these very, very primitive in some ways of culture, but excellent in character and why they would leave if their crops fail they starve to death and, you know, 40, 50 years ago when I was first introduced, it was shocking how I could see that we lived on fantasy island, you know, the Trump Tower, really? That's certainly not the world.”

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  36. “And supply medical care over the counter stuff mostly, but would take it down to clinics out in the mountains and then paint them as my themes. Different sculptures and paintings and sold them through the main trail gallery at Gottsdale. And I love it. But the last time we went, the drug influence was so strong and the threat of being kidnapped and things was so evident that I haven't been back down into those places, but I should. I mean, I should break out and go. It was a life-changing thing for me. There was a sculptor Ernst Barlock who pre Nazi German went to the steppes of Russia and learned about real life, you know, survival living and changed his whole outlook on life. And that was me. He came back and fell into disfavor with Adolf Hitler and I came back and fell into disfavor with Donald Trump. We have this one similarity”

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  37. “Talk to Peter Schaefer, the head of U of A at the time, just called him cold turkey. He had written a book about the Taraumara and the canyons and then saw a friend John Cheryl Hauser who did the big sculptures in El Paso. But he started out right down there in the canyons. And I went down to try to find him and didn't. I had to come back to Tucson to find him. But going down there that first time, it's 175 miles of dirt road. the road had only been built for 10 years and it was one wild place. But meeting Ramon Figueroa, and you can look him up, he's on the internet. He makes violins. He's fantastic. But I introduced that guy to a windmill. They were very remote centric people. And I've been there 80 times since working with the Fundaci ⁇ n Tara Umara. It's a medical services we would collect.”

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  38. “Well, my brother had gone on a mission there when I applied for review. There's a little box. Where would you like to go if you had your choice? And you don't. But I wrote same place my brother went. And that's where they sent me. And it was a smaller mission, but I was blessed to really learn Spanish well and have a great love for the culture and the people, which you develop there in the lives of people living, dying, learning, growing, repenting. doing all the things that people do. And afterwards, loved that I went back painting with my family, a young family when I came out of BYU. And then really started becoming involved when I made that first trip down at a Copper Canyon. And there's a Frank Waters was an author, a Western genre back in the 40s, 50s, 60s, became friends with him, talked to me about some places.”

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  39. “No, many of those, for example, the Pauli Rosenbaum and Bill Hart piece that's on the wall was an initial, these big reliefs was by the Arizona Mining Association. And one of my clients talked to them and they had me do that. And it was Pauli Rosenbaum, who's the longest serving member of the House of Representatives 46 years, I think, who taught me into running for office. She's a Democrat, a blue dog Democrat. And as I sculpted her, we talked and it was really enjoyable. And later I did a full bust of her and of Bill. One was while I was a member, and I think the other one while I wasn't. And then, you know, you get some and then other people saw something when Jake Flake died. I wasn't in the legislature at the time and a group of lobbyists asked me if I would do his bust. So then the firefighter memorial across Jake Flake is”

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  40. “Just this week, just this week. My secretary said, I have a confession to make. My assistant, Shannon, she says, I've kept all this stuff that you threw away were on your cheat sheets or whatever, where you were doodling. And there were all kinds of humorous things of different people. And some, I got one of David Schweitert that's a classic woman in an Apache helicopter, you know, showing Schweichert diplomacy.”

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  41. “Know it's kind of like the capital steps. We made fun of everybody who was a lampoon of the session back when having a sense of humor wasn't illegal as it is today. There's always somebody who's going to shred you for, oh, look, he blinked his eyes when somebody was talking to him. You must not be paying attention. You know, it's like that.”

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  42. “I have sung at some events. The guitar and sing, I love you, Arizona, and that Lee Greenwood thing proud to be an American. I've sung those, yeah.”

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  43. “My mother, now this is later, she died eight years ago, so it's probably 15 years ago. I get a big thick packet and I open it up and it's all these drawings through my youth up through high school that she had kept and then she just sent them to me. It was really a treasure and a lot of snoopy cartoons and things out of Arizona Highways that I scenes that I drew and copied. It just showed that how a mother is that sees something and supported it in me. I never took an art class until my senior year. You know, I was into basketball and I was in the choir like she really wanted me to be. She took me everywhere to sing weddings and receptions and public events and stuff I sang everywhere. That's probably how I got elected the first time just people knew me.”

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  44. “It wasn't Calvinistic, you know, there's a lot of where we were in Chino, there's a little gray, kind of a stone church that's now what they've sold it through the years. I think it's kind of like a hard. Great”

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  45. “Very artistic and drew and colored pencils, the kind of the brick shampoo girls she'd draw them in church and then hand it to me and say draw that. And she did it to keep me quiet.”

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  46. “And I gave a few elbows too. I think I fouled out more than any other kid in state history. But I was in high school. So I had my records, but they weren't in the scoring category.”

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  47. “That's exactly right until I found out my girlfriend was dating some guy that I'd known in high school. I said, I ain't gonna, that ain't gonna go. So I came home now. I'm grateful to walk on two feet still. Basketball occasionally. That's about it.”

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  48. “Well, we all were athletically oriented because of our dad's influence. My older brother, Dan, came out of BYU, went to camp, was drafted by the lions, never went beyond just the pre-game stuff where the younglings got to play in the preseason stuff. But he said, the whole atmosphere was pretty ribald for a LDS kid coming out of Got a little tough, so he came home. And then his son, Andy, played here for the Cardinals for a little while, I think, up for the Buffalo Bills a bit. You know, nothing big.”

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  49. “No, he didn't, and dad never did. And so dad was, these guys were tough. I mean, these. And they carried themselves well, but dad, he was a DI in the Marine Corps. He was a coach then later in life here in the Scottsdale school system. And there's a lot of fun.”

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  50. “He did. Usually in connection with a racial point. The day, you know, 60s, a lot of stuff going on nationally. And he would say, you know, I don't want any part of this stuff. And then he would say I have a good friend, Jackie Robinson, and he had talked about football days. He was evidently his traveling companion when they would travel. Dad was his roommate. And they'd known each other years. And they just got, it was a good friendship. We have a in the yearbook, Jackie wrote something to the effect Wes to a swellest guy on the squad. And then it says, please tell your dad that that little incident in Compton was a lot of noise about nothing. And I'm going, what incident in Compton?”

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