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  1. City voted for not just an ethnic minority, not just a religious minority, but the religion he belongs to is Islam. It's just something wonderful about our city, not just tolerating difference, respecting, embracing and celebrating it as well. But I can't escape the fact that, you know, being a Muslim,

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  2. Looking backwards, I mean, I'm sure you've read about my first election campaign in 2016, right? My faith was used against me by my opponents. You're kind of a Muslim mayor links with terrorism, so forth, so forth, for no other reason, but because of, to be frank, my faith, right? And that's why it's so important to win. Because had I not won, if you're an Asian or a Muslim or whatever you think, hold on a sec, it's not possible to be the mayor on them because of your faith that holds you back. And that's why winning was important for a variety of other reasons as well. But you know, the thing about our city. Notwithstanding the prejudices against the religion that I practice because a minority of terrorists do bad things, use the name of Islam.

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  3. Responding the way he does, and let's be frank, if the mayor of London wasn't somebody of my background, my faith, and so forth, and he didn't have the views he had about people of my faith and my background, he wouldn't have responded the way he did he.

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  4. It was odd. Let me see why I saw it. There's basically an understanding we have there are certain cities and certain parts of the world are targets of terrorists because of our values, because of our way of life and so forth. And so there's a sense of solidarity. We saw what happened in Paris. We swap up in 9-11. There are other examples around the world in Manchester, the awful events of the Ariana Grande concert and so forth. And so there's always a sense of solidarity. And you'll see world leaders, mayors and others sending messages of solidarity. It's unusual, it's exceptional actually, for particularly our closest ally, right? Special relationship. You saw our Prime Minister response to 9-11, Tony Blair, George Bush. have Donald

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  5. Panic isn't good leadership. And so one of the reasons why I've asked for and we've had the practice, the preparation, the planning, is to make sure there isn't panic and there isn't emotion because you've got to make rational decisions and provide reassurance in a cool, calm way. You can't go to a Cobra meeting and be hysterical. You've got to be explaining the facts, what you've ascertained, what you're going to do, what buses are going to be diverted, what tubes are going to be stopped, you know, and so forth. Another important thing in London in that sort of context, Stephen, is we can't afford to happen is reprisals, right? People wrongly thinking every Muslim is a terrorist. We saw in America post-9-11, you know, somebody were in a turban, attacked and killed because people thought wrongly it was involved in terrorism in 9-11. So that part of reshaw in the community, community tensions as well.

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  6. In real time, there really can't be. In real time, they can't be for in that sort of stuff. There can be when it comes to a far-ring, which is a different sort of thing. But because people are looking to you to provide leadership.

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  7. And also, you've got to give assurance to Londoners. You can't play into the terrorists' hands. What does the terrorist want you to do? A terrorist wants to terrorise you and have panic spreading, changing behavior in a way that's perverse and so forth. So it's really important the response I have to a terror attack because I could inadvertently be playing into the hands of the terrorists

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  8. Our police and other partners are trained for the phrases a marauding terrorist for it's training for it and we learn from other countries when this happens so the first time this sort of terror tactic was used that's well known about was in Delhi a number of years ago so our police have learned what's happened there and so we practice a lot of this stuff in relation to what what the firearms team will do in the situation what the police response will do what my role is going to be where I should be and so forth

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  9. So, just to reassure people watching, we do a lot of preparation, a lot of practice, a lot of planning on those sorts of things. So you see, you try. You have a ready for it, but you tried to do what you can in advance to understand it because I'm not a police officer, I'm not an MMO5. On Mac Counterterror, but on the Pleasing Ground Commissioner, so I need to understand what you're doing so I can understand your job. And so I've always tried to understand what you're doing so I can be at help, not hindrance. And so when it happens, there's a lot of uncertainty in real time what's going on. But the good news is

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  10. Some was hard, you know, because I spent a lot of time, I liked, I think it's important for me to spend time with brief families. So when I was an MP, when I was a lawyer, I spent a lot of time with brief families, my clients. When I was an MP, there was ever a homicide in Tutin, I would meet the families, ask to meet the families. When I became mayor, I started a practice where whenever there was a homicide in London, my office would write to the family and say, look, obviously give me my condolences, but give them my details and meet with the families. And so after Grenfell went to a lot of funerals, a lot of families, and those families' stories stay with you. And I'm still in contact with a lot of them.

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  11. Lost their life in that fire. And so 2017 was hard because we also had at the same time the Oval Fire at Grenfell and a number of terror attacks in London, London Bridge, Westminster Bridge, Finsbury Park.

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  12. Been a few, I think Grenfell Tower. I still remember the images. I still remember the heat. I went to a lot of funerals that summer was. Their sum was hard. I'm still touched with families that I see them often Whenever I see It comes back, but Grenfell was just in its still sticks with me because it could have been us. It's council estate. Diverse estate. Lovely community. Those families will all be the same again. And every time I go there And I spend time with the families. You just think what these families are going through. One family, six people wiped out. Another eleven year old child who'd won a essay competition. And when you speak to those who were the judges, she would have gone on to being, you know, this amazing woman.

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  13. Are lobbying the government to change the regulations to make it easier for the Commission to get rid of dodgy officers. We've set up a hotline so people can ring in and police officers can ring in about dodgy behavior other officers from City Hall without government support from City Hall we're investing more money in ramping up the vetting processes right this guy should have been sponsored a mile away I've also asked the commissioner it was his idea to be fair to go back 10 years and look at every single time a police officer has had a complaint made against them of this nature to see if any other opportunities missed with other officers we've also got a new unit which we're invested in an anti abuse and corruption unit but my view is this by the way in London we shun a spotlight in this but there are other police forces around the country where you know I'm sure there are other issues where that spotlight's not been shone yet and so it's really important for us to recognize these are systemic cultural issues

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  14. Are the nicknames that police officers involved in this stuff have had. No action taken against them because it's very difficult for the Commission and others to get rid of dodgy officers. The regulations make it difficult. We're not asking necessarily in all cases for criminal prosecution. We're asking for those officers to be at least sacked.

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  15. Tell you how bad things are, make recommendations and follow them through. So we got an outsider, Louise Casey, to look into what's going on in the Met Police Service. She's published an interim report. The commission has accepted all the findings. She will now publish her final report later on this year. We need to change the rules around how police officers are employed. So if a member of your staff had a nickname, Bastard, that would raise questions for you, right? Why is this guy's nickname amongst his colleagues the bastard?

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  16. was my lack of belief in her ability to understand this as an issue, have a plan to address this, have a plan to embark the trust and confidence of Londoners. And so we've got to make sure we have a reforming commissioner doing this job unless the guy at the top or the woman at the top understands the problem, how you're going to fix it. I think the new commissioner and his deputy understand there's a problem and I've got a plan to fix it. They're taken on board the recommendations from an outsider. You can't mark your own homework. You need somebody else. look into things.

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  17. We had David Carrick, somebody who'd been a police officer almost twenty years, we discover throughout most of his twenty years, had been a prolific sexual offender using the fact he's a police officer to commit some of those crimes, but also it appears there were opportunities for the police during the vetting process to find out this guy was criminal and not just stop him being a police officer, but take action against him. My view that I've been making clear for a number of years now and I've been criticised for this is I think there is a systemic cultural issues in the police service. One of the reasons why I ultimately lost confidence in the previous commissioner

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  18. So in the last few years there's been at last Publicity given to the fact that every three days across our country, a woman is killed at the hands of a man, every three days. That's a sobering fact. Recently, we've seen much as the tragic murders of Sarah Everard, you know, Zahra, Elina, Bieber, and Nicole, you know, and many others, Sabine Anessa. But also we've seen people who we entrust to keep us safe. Peace officers, police officers, the people we go to when we're the victims of crime, being involved in the most serious crimes possible Sarah Everard was abducted by a man using his warrant card, raped and killed by a serving police officer.

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  19. Yeah, I do because my comparator isn't with respect to barley. Ordered by Mike and Parator's New York Chicago, those cities, because we are a global city, Stephen. You know, we're not Cheshire, right? And so, but if it's not safe for you, it's not safe for me. I speak to too many women and girls. They say it's not safe. I speak to too many women in particular who say they're imposing a curfion themselves not to go at night time because they don't feel safe. In that case it's not safe. I speak to too many people who are worried about their safety and perception is important here because it's fear of crime that you're talking about because your experience, right? And you'll speak to your friends not unreasonably that they'll be apprehensive and scared. So it's a problem for me and we've got to address it.

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  20. We first started investing in, it's called the Young Londoners Fund in about 2018-90, but it takes some time to get youth workers back employed, youth centres back open. And also young people starting to have these points landed on them. There's not a light bulb moment. It's got to take time. Spend time with them. That's why mentors are so important. The reason I made the point at the beginning, Stephen, about you as a role model is, you know, I'm a firm believer and you can't be it if you can't see it, right? I was lucky. I was lucky that I saw at home my mum working really hard, my dad working really hard, my big brother's working really hard. I had role models. A lot of young people haven't got that role model at home. The youth worker is that role model. A youth worker is an amazing asset to a young person if you've not got the role model at home. In relation to a big brother, a friend, somebody you can ring up, somebody give you career's advice. You know, a lot of young people don't know how to put up a tie, right? They don't know how to shave. Can't go for a job interview. Those soft skills we're teaching young people now, you may think, why are you teaching young people those soft skills? Because they need those soft skills.

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  21. So the pandemic, we saw a reduction a number of reasons, obviously, because for three months people there was lockdown and stuff. And that progress we've carried on. But it started going down before the pandemic.

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  22. And that's why we've got to have these conversations. That's why it's the public health approach, and it is leading to huge reductions over the last year. We've had a 55% reduction in doing traumicides. Not enough. One is one too many, you know, a few homicides last year than when I first became mayor. Not enough, but we're making progress because the investment is now starting to pay dividends in relation to youth clubs, youth work going into schools, more police officers.

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  23. Reeved mum can be really effective in explaining the story about her son Tinsby Boys, about her son and the dangers of carrying the knife. So we'll stop it at source. We've also got to make sure, frankly speaking, that there's intelligence led to stop and search. If you're carrying the knife, I want you to be stopped and searched. If you've got a knife taken off you, I would make progress in taking knives off people, which is saving lives, weapon sweeps is really important. But also, if you're caught carrying the knife, there's got to be serious sentences. There's got to be a consequence of you carrying that.

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  24. Secondary score is even higher. And so there is this belief amongst young people that carrying the life makes you more safe, not less safe. And by the way, I went to a tough secondary school, lots of fights. Nobody even thought about taking a knife to school or get involved with knives at all. And, you know, so we've got to deal with that issue at source. Make sure young people understand the dangers we're gaining school, speaking to young people, people with credibility. You've got to have somebody who's the message carrier needs to be somebody who kids respect and will listen to, right? And so getting people to go into schools to explain the dangers, sometimes it's a bereaved mum.

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  25. Basically, what happens is some young people that I speak to will think the way to be safe is to carry a knife because they suspect you might be carrying a knife, right? And so we've got to get the message across that leaving it home with a knife doesn't make you more safe. It makes you less safe. So if you go to a permanent school now, not secondary school, a primary school across the country, by the way, and you have a classroom of 30 people. And you say how many of you know somebody carry the knife. You'll be shocked the number of hands that go up in a primary school, right?

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  26. Without doubt, we saw in the 2000s. Between 1997 and the mid-00s, huge progress made in reducing crime. And it was dealing with the two things that I said. You've got to be tough in crime, tough in the causes. You've got to invest in policing, but also invest in dealing with the causes of policing. It definitely is solvable. We've made progress in the past. We're making progress in London now. We've got to make sure at the same time, of course, we reform the police, well-publicized issues in policing. London has got to be the ayes and the years. There are some amazing citizens in London who, you know, would return the wallet to you if you'd lost it or left it around in London. We'll report something taking place. We'll come forward if they're a witness of crime. We'll come forward and support the police that are a victim of crime. We'll join the police service. These problems are definitely solvable. We've done it in the past. We're doing it now. And the possibility in the not distant future of a...

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  27. And more so if you're a woman or a girl, if you think you don't feel safe, one of the big challenges that we've got is making sure that women and girls feel safe.

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  28. And as a global city, sorry, as a global city, you speak to as I do regularly, the mayor of New York, the Mayor of Chicago, the Mayor of LA, those are our comparatives with respect not to.

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  29. there low enough because we've got to invest more in the police and invest more in the causes of crime. And when I talk about public health approach, Stephen, what I mean by that is this. Think of crime as you would a public health issue. What would you do? You deal with the infection, you've got to kill the infection, right? More police officers, you know, got to arrest people. You've got to stop the infection spreading. Really important we stop the crime spreading people thinking that you can be successful by being a criminal. We've got to stop it, deal with the gang, so forth. But stop the infection occurring in the first place. Stop the crime occurring in the first place. And, you know, it's a source of pride to me. We've not made the progress, but our policies being tough on crime invested in the police, and we are reforming the police at the same time, but also investing in young people is leading to the turnaround in London. And we've bucked the national trade in London.

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  30. That's one lever to bring money in and use it to pay for more police officers. And I was criticized for doing so, but I had to do it because of your experience was when I'd heard too many times before. So we've paid for 1,300 more officers, not enough, but it's all I can do. There's a limit on how much you can raise council tax to. It's a regressive tax. But also use business rates money to open up youth clubs again, youth centres, employ youth workers, have summer schemes. We have now thirty two thousand mentors. We want to get to a hundred thousand of the next two, three years. Mentors are crucial in my view. And the good news, I'm not complacent at all. And American's experience was also awful. The good news is we have bucked the national trend. So across the country, homicides are going up. In London, they're going down. We've reduced homicides, knife crime, gun crime, tinish homicides, burglary since I became mayor.

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  31. And so, you know, when I became mayor, one of the things I promised London as I would do is to be straight with Londoners about the problems in relation to, I was quite clear straight away saying, listen, these cuts have got consequences. And we've got to recognise they've got consequences. So I'm going to use the limit of powers I have and raise council tax.

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  32. But there is a link between, and crime is complex causes by the way, without excusing it, you know, and I believe very simply you've got to deal with it in two ways. One is to be tough on crime, more policing, give them the support they need to make sure they deal with the criminals. I call it public health approach, and I come to that to explain what I mean, and tackle the complex causes of crime in relation to dealing with underlying causes, deprivation, poverty, alienation, inequality, and so forth. You can't escape the fact that since 2010, we've had massive austerity in this country, so there have been twenty one thousand fuel police officers across the country in the last twelve years. That is a fact. We've got youth clubs that have closed down, youth centers closed down, after school clubs not taken place, weaker clubs not taking place, unemployment's gone high until very recently, and so forth. I'm not excusing it, I'm explaining it.

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  33. Let me come to a second. And so one of the challenges we've had post-Brexit is to keep that talent home, and we can talk about some of the stuff we've done to keep it. In relation to safety, it is a fact, and I'm really sorry for your experience, genuinely, Stephen, because I meet too many people like you being the victims of crime. But I'm afraid the bad news is since 2012, and nationally thirteen serious violence has been going up since 2013 across our country, including London. London is not separate from the rest of the country in feeling the impact. Now, without excusing criminality, and I'm not excusing those people who burgled your house, by the way, and I'm not saying this with their motivation.

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  34. In relation to the diversity of our economy, it's not just the financial services, professional services, legal services, life sciences, higher education, culture, tech, so forth. So the underlying strengths are still there and we are doing incredibly well. We punch well above our weight in relation to the rest of the country because of how well we're doing we contribute roughly speaking every year net to the treasury 42 billion pounds and it's been going up over the period of time so we as a slice of the national pie contribute far more than we're supposed to remind the size of our city and it's because we've managed to attract talent and keep talent.

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  35. First is, I'm really sorry about your experience, and I hope I wasn't too distressed. So, if you look at London over the last 10 years, the last 20 years even, if you park Brexit for a second, because we can come back to that in relation to the impact of Brexit on London, London is a global city. I don't want to go to various metrics, but we're doing incredibly well as a global city in relation to foreign direct investment. Relation to the diversity of people coming to London, in relation to the tourism London, in relation to retention of talent.

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  36. Motivation. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So those are my experiences. My experience growing up was that, you know, actually life isn't always fair and you need somebody to be there to help you. And it's never been about it sounds, you know. Frankly speaking, a bit wankerish, but it's never been about yourself making money. None of my siblings have followed path, which is interesting actually. None of us have followed paths where it's been about making money for money's sake. It's about doing a job we enjoy and trying to give something back where you can, whether it's been a teacher, whether it's been a coach or whatever.

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  37. It's not wrong that there's no way of helping people who need help. And being a lawyer is a noble thing. I know lawyers get a bad rep. Some lawyers doing a lot of money. But people who do the law that I was doing don't earn a lot of money. Some do. And I was very lucky to do well. But it's important to me, public service to act on behalf of these people. Who acts on behalf of the person who's receiving an opposed misconduct? Who acts on behalf of the person who's discriminated on the grounds of their race or gender in the workplace?

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  38. A number of reasons. My inspiration for being lawyer is, have you read Killer Mockingbird? I want to be Attica's finch, right? We wouldn't be Alexa's finch. And then when I was growing up, this program on TV, you're too young to remember it called LA Law. I wanted to be this loyal Fuentes. Jimmy Smith's played this lawyer who was doing these really good cases. But also, I remember a number of things happened around that time where I felt helpless. The way my dad was treated in his bus car is the bus garage was closing down. Felt helpless. We couldn't do anything about it. Gaining in a march is fine, but you need to challenge this in the courts if you could. If you couldn't use the court system, you've got to change the laws. Seeing Friends treat the way they were. And I thought.

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  39. It's public service, right? It's the ability to impact and improve people's lives. I could have, you know, when I left law school, got and worked in the city and been a city lawyer, but I chose to do the law that I chose to do for a variety of reasons. It's important for me to be a lawyer practicing discrimination law, issues around police misconduct, issues around employment law, doing litigation, the sort of cases that I undertook. What motivated me was this issue of acting on behalf of the underdog being the advocate for people I grew up with who were routinely wrong under the Susslaw, stop and search, people I knew who were unfairly dismissed, people who, you know, I was aware who had been discriminated against, you know, acting for the victims of miscarriages of justice, that was important to me.

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  40. And that's a big deal. And I was blessed to do that. But when you're in Parliament and you're part of the government, you can pass legislation or amend legislation that affects millions of people. So not just people in Tutin, but people across our city and our country. And being the MP for Tutin was why I gave up the career. Not to be an MP for MP's sake, to be the MP for Tootin.

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  41. As a lawyer in my spare time, I was in my spare time as chair of Liberty, Human Rights Group, chair of legal action group, a legal aid charity group. But the opportunity came to be the MP for Tooting, and I couldn't say no because it was the chance to represent my community in Parliament. And the way I described at the time, because people were saying to me, what are you doing? Why it doesn't make sense? I was blessed to have a good legal career. And if I want a case for my client. He or she benefited, or if I settled the case. If the case went to one of the higher courts, we'd set a president. Setting a president means that other people benefit from the president of the case because you've changed the law

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  42. So the qualification to that question, you're right, by the way, that's all right, is it was the MP for Tootin. So what I wasn't going to do was give up my legal career. And by the way, it wasn't just a great legal career, but a great future ahead of me because just the two of us ran the business, very profitable, gone from being a business we're just employing eight people to more than 50 while I was a partner. The opportunity came to be the MP for Tootin. Tootin I was born and raised in, literally the MP for Tootin at a guy called Tom Cox had been the MP my entire life. I'd never known any other MP. I'd never been inside the Chamber of Parliament. I didn't know any friends who were MPs. I didn't really know any friends in politics, I don't think. I was a counsellor in my spare time, serving the local community.

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  43. Yeah, so we don't have much friction at home. I mean, work life balance is an issue. Me, Miss and another family event or me not being able to go to... Friends or relations social event, but we don't really do friction. I'm trying to think that the last time we had. It's diary management, so last Saturday, for example, I was doing something for work and then I promised to go to a party in Eastbourne. An anniversary policy of a friend and then do something back in London on Sunday. So managing that with, negotiating that with my wife and my daughters was quite a feat.

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  44. So, what I did at early stage was I involve my office. So my team in my office, a lot of them are now my best friends. I've worked with them so long. They know Sarthia and they know the kids. So simple things. My team will send Sarthia my diary for the week in advance. So Sathia does what I'm doing. The nights I'm out, the nights I'm in, which things she'll be coming along to. And so the family's involved in that. At home, we have, you know, on the fridge, which tells us who's at home for walking lunar and so forth. And so it only works when you share what you're doing and stuff. My wife's got her own. She's got two jobs herself. So it only works if everyone's on the same page. It does not work. And a lot of my friends in politics, marriage breakups, a lot of my friends in the law, marriage breakups, you know, all the sorts of promise stuff. So you've got to have not just somebody who is supportive of you doing it, but is an active player in you doing it. And you've got to make sure that parts of your work life are shared with your home life.

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  45. She'd say, Stephen, it's just an hour and a half. How long have you got? And it's a long list. I'm sure there's a long list of stuff. I mean, I think

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  46. Yeah, but you know, I love my job. I've been lucky to have three big jobs. I was a lawyer for 11 years, loved it, loved being a lawyer. I was a parliamentarian and a minister for 11 years. Loved it. And I'm now the mayor. I've been the mayor for the last six, five years. And so if you're lucky enough to have a job you love and your family supportive, you've got to have a supportive family. My wife is so supportive. She's not just an incredible chead as she gives me good advice. She pulls me up when I bring the arrogance home or I have delusions of grandeur. You know, she makes sure I put the bins out. She makes sure that I'm doing my bit hurrying up, cleaning up and stuff. You need that at home. You need that sense of normality at home. My daughter's, geez. I mean, you know, there's no heads of grace in my house. They're both back home now after finishing university. They're both working. And so they're supportive. They support what I'm doing. Then I'm here.

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  47. Had I known in two thousand five when I first became an MP and had Tony and Gordon sat down with 300 plus MPs and said, listen, we've got to maximize these five years between 2005, 2010. I think things may have been different because we'd have realized it's a privilege. We'd have to use every day we have, you know, and so I'm not criticizing Tony and Gorn, but I'm saying you don't know how long you've got your job, right? And so my views, you make the most of it. There's time to rest later on.

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  48. Have my sacrifices by me doing my job and I'm cognizant of that and I'm grateful for that. You can't do the job that I'm doing without the support of your family. By the way, you can also do this job. I worked three days a week. The previous guy did that. You can do that, but he may not have felt privileged to do the job. I think it's a privilege. And I remember when I was in government, and I remember in 2010, the last year I sat around the cabinet with Gordon Brown and the team. And I think there are some incredibly talented people around that cabinet in the prime of their game. Incredibly talented special advisers in the primary game. We lost at general election and their peak years. The knot in government, they're not advising the government.

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  49. Yeah, but some of the stuff I do is work without being worked. I'll give you an example. So I might go and support. A theater production. My support is going along to watch it and they can then amplify it. I've been there, right? It's a great night out for Wi-Fi, or I might do something with my daughters and stuff, but I recognize that my wife and daughters and my mum and my brothers and sisters and my in-laws.

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  50. Yes and no. I'm very lucky. I'm privileged on Mayor London. I did a meeting last week with my staff. My sort of top staff. And I said to them last week, listen. I've got to reply for my job at the next election in this term we have 475 days left. That's now down to four hundred sixty seven days left at the time we're recording this. We've got to work on the basis that there is a possibility. I'll try my best that it doesn't happen. Responsibility, I will not be re elected, but I'll reply for my job, Londoners will say no. We've got to use every single day we have left, every hour we have left to make sure we maximise delivering for our city, to make it safer, to make it fairer, to make it green, to make it more prosperous. You can't afford to waste this time. It's a privilege. It's a privilege to...

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