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Sally Yates

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first: 2018-05-27
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“Well, then maybe I'll stay in just a good state. I do believe in public service. I wouldn't have stayed at DOJ for 27 years if I didn't really believe in that. But there's a difference between public service and running for elected office. And I really kind of feel most people who do that have always had a drive to do that. And to be honest with you, it just doesn't feel like me.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you know. I'm flattered first that people would want me to run for office. And I obviously believe in public service.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And those things should be separate. Yeah, well, I'm going to be engaged in what we call an independent investigations practice here. When there are those messy situations that come up, whether it's a company or a university or sports organization where it's really important to have someone come in from the outside and to be able to give an authoritative, credible answer to what happened, very similar and draws on a lot of the work I did for years as a prosecutor, both aligned in AUSA as well as US Attorney and DAG. And certainly HR issues, Me Too issues, corporate culture issues are really important to organizations right now. It's essential that organizations be able to credibly respond to allegations such that when they say there's a problem or there's not, that the public and their shareholders and their employees believe them.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sad, and you know, we're all in there for a minute, and when we're getting up, my principal deputy looks at me and said, Did you notice I was the only man in the room? And actually I had noticed, which probably means I'm a lousy witness too, but I had not noticed that. Now, that was still an unusual occurrence for him to be the only man in the room, but it's a sign that we've made progress, but there's still more to go.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, there weren't that many women in the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney's Office when I started. There were a lot of women doing civil work, but not that many in the criminal division. And I remember when I first came to the office, one of the supervisors there didn't want me to go into the organized crime section. He thought it would be too rough and tumble for me. So he put me in white collar, which actually I ended up loving. But this kind of thing that wouldn't happen now today. And then the firmware I started, there was only one female litigation partner in the entire firm before I went to the U.S. Attorney's office, obviously very different today. And then, you know, I juxtaposed that against the time I served as Deputy Attorney General under Loretta Lynch. So you had two women in the top two spots at the Department of Justice. And I've told a story about being in a meeting in her conference room where big conference room, I don't know if you've ever been there, but big long table, chairs all around the...”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She did that, and she took the bar exam, and much to the surprise of her husband, my grandfather. He didn't know. Passed. But, you know, this is rural Georgia, you know, back in the day, 30s, 40s, 50s then too. And nobody's hiring a lady lawyer as they were known then. And so she was a secretary to my grandfather and then to my father and his uncle. I mean, my father and my uncle, which I've often thought she was smarter than all of them. And so it must have driven her crazy to be the one who was typing their thoughts Rather than her”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, she was amazing. She was a spitfire. There was nothing really warm and fuzzy about mama, as we called her. Incredibly loving and devoted, no question about that, incredibly loving, as was my dad. I mean, I think that that ran through them. I mean, you know, just would do anything in the world for you. But she was really smart, and this was back in the time when you didn't have to go to law school. You could, what they called read law under another lawyer.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, and I see that as a really good thing now. I mean, that's to the extent that people can recognize that with help, they can lead happy, healthy lives and not getting that help is such a loss.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Wow, it's been over 30 years. Maybe this is why I have You know, for a few reasons I hated for him to be defined. Howie died rather than how he lived.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm getting a little teary now talking about it. I probably got tearied Yeah, I mean, it was incredibly moving also to see my client's reaction to this. They never thought in a million years that this same court system that they had so mistrusted that they wouldn't even file their deed was then going to return a verdict for them on an adverse possession theory to get their property back.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“White jury, all white courtroom. My clients were the only African Americans in the courtroom. Everybody in there knew everybody on the other side. They'd used the lawyers. They'd used the surveyors. They knew the property developers, all white jury. They had this lawyer in me who had no clue what she was doing. But yet that jury returned a verdict for our client. And I can tell you right now it wasn't because of any great lawyering I did. It was absolutely in spite of me, not because of me, but that actually is part of what instilled in me a real belief in our justice system, that those jurors were given an opportunity to do the right thing and they embraced it. They wanted to do the right thing.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He came on this case with me and he went over to Barra County and he walked the fields with me and he sat there on the front porch drinking iced tea trying to get witnesses to testify and he went with me when I tried the case. And when we tried that, it was before Batson, which is the rule that prevents lawyers from striking jurors because of their race. It was before it applied to civil cases, and this was a civil case. And so the opposing lawyer struck all the African Americans from the jury.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, Mr. Kerbo, just one of the great people of all time. You're right. He was, I think, known as President Carter's one-man kitchen cabinet.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Deed and the way they'd used the property was by washing their clothes in the stream. And another landowner knew that because they were making moonshine from that same stream in a different place. And so when we tried the case, I'd never even seen a trial before. I had to go over the week before and watch how a jury was selected because I had no idea how this happened. But Charlie Kerbo, who was then with the firm and had been...”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Folded up down inside of her dress as she worked the fields every day. She carried that deed around with her because the property meant that much to them. And because they didn't trust the white court system then and for a very good reason didn't trust the white court system. They didn't want to go give the court their deed, so they held on to it. But by doing that, that meant there was another deed with a survey from an adjoining landowner that was filed that essentially appropriated six acres of their property. Well, fast forward to the 80s then, and now there's going to be a subdivision built, and our clients look and say, why are they doing this on our property? And so I filed a case using an old property theory adverse possession, which is if you've been using the property openly and notoriously for seven years, then it's yours, even if you haven't filed.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I think that probably will be the most meaningful case I ever have. It was when I was a young associate at King Inspaulding and there was a woman who had come to the firm years before in what they called the Saturday Lawyer Program where you could come and get free legal advice. And she was from Barra County, which Judge Bell, Griffin Bell, who was here at the firm, knew my father and knew that he was from Barra County. I'll try to make a long story shorter. Her family had been one of the earliest African-American landowners in Barra County. They had 92 acres. And six acres of it had essentially been taken through a subdivision that was being built now. And they were able to appropriate that property because my client's family hadn't filed their deed. And they didn't file their deed, which was written on a piece of cloth from back in the 30s that my client's mother cared.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, this is one of the few issues in which there really is a bipartisan consensus that we need to. Perhaps not at the same pace as it would have with leadership from DOJ.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Where there's Yeah, and this is certainly even more so now with social media and otherwise. Things don't stay quiet for long.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Mr. Jewell was the guy who was originally suspected. Right. And look, prosecutors have a tremendous amount of power. And even when it's not in a high-profile matter like that, the mere fact of an investigation can change someone's life forever. And that's why, to me, making sure that you have people in those jobs who really take that responsibility seriously, who recognize, and I know this sounds really corny, that the job is not to get convictions, but the responsibility is to seek justice and to do it in an aggressive way because your job is to hold people accountable when they violate the law, but to do it in a fair way and that takes into account the impact that it has on their lives and the lives of their families as well.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look, you're coming at it from every angle here, and I'm just not going to this I don't want to pass judgment on somebody else's decision of how they're going to operate. It wouldn't have been my choice, but he had to make his own decis”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh gosh, how long do you have? I mean, you want to go back the whole time? No, I mean, in terms of if you're talking about the Russia invention, I can't really talk about that stuff, so I can't get into the facts of that. But look, I think anybody would, any decent lawyer would look always look back and try to look for ways they could do things differently. But if you're talking about sort of core decisions that were made of which way to go on big directional things, I'm comfortable with the decisions that I made.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your second thoughts about it? Look, I think the administration, and I'm talking about the administration as a whole, was aggressive in trying to get to the bottom of Russian interference in the election. I think you have to be really careful when you're talking about a step then of ascribing involvement of others to that effort before you really know what the facts are.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We'll see I wasn't entirely surprised. I mean, I certainly recognized that there was a significant chance that the president would fire me if I did this. On the other hand, I hoped that wasn't the case. I had spent 27 years at DOJ, and even though I wasn't going to be there much longer, I was just there until Senator Sessions was confirmed. I didn't particularly want to end my time at the Department of Justice with being fired. So I was hopeful that wouldn't happen. But when the knock on the door came and the knock came from my principal deputy's office that adjoined mine. And normally Matt would like knock and walk in at the same time because we were in and out of each other's offices all day long. This though was a knock without coming in. And, you know, it's nine o'clock or so at night. And from that, Kind of a grim.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was not from the president. It was from Mr. I can't remember his name. How's that for him? I should have that etched in my memory right now.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right. I think they were thinking about a different president, but it seems the principles is the same, and they were right about that because had I resigned, that would have protected my personal integrity, but it would not have protected the integrity of the Department of Justice. And I don't believe I would have been doing my job.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're not going to defend. Right. And I thought back to my confirmation hearing where there were several senators, including then senator sessions, who were quite emphatic with me that there would be times the president might ask me to do something that was unlawful. Or I think even Senator Sessions pointed out that would bring dishonor to the Department of Justice. And they emphasized to me that it was my responsibility. That was quite a confrontation actually.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, the good news is there haven't been a lot of resignations or directions in that regard. This doesn't come up very much because normally there's communication in advance of a situation like this. And I thought about residing. I mean, that was, you know, once I had made the decision that I didn't see how the Department of Justice could defend this and advance something that I didn't believe to be the truth, the harder question was whether to resign or whether to direct. And I went back and forth on that. Now, I didn't go back and forth for long. It was 72 hours from when I learned about this.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, right. You know, we talked through the challenges and what the defenses were and what I came down to here is that it was clear and we were going to have to do it the next day. We had to take a position on the constitutionality the next day that to defend the travel ban, we were going to have to argue that it had absolutely nothing to do with religion. And that was in the face of the statements that the president had made both on the campaign trail and since the election about his intent to effectuate a Muslim ban. And I remember one of them, particularly being when someone challenged whether that was lawful, is saying, well, we'll call it territories then. And it seemed like that's exactly what this was. And that put us in a quandary here because that would put the Department of Justice in the position of having to advance a pretext that there was a reason other than religion for”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can't disclose the actual discussions there because that's deliberations within DIJ. I can say that there was not a consensus”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That means if someone was admitted, for example, that their case would be mooted out, that we didn't take a position on the constitutionality yet. But on Monday, and we're reading the cases, challenges are being filed, and we're all online trying to read the cases so different because DOJ is a very hierarchical organization. And normally by the time something would have gotten to me, it had been through lots of review and all the cases have been summarized and they're pretty memos that are done to tee up the issues. There was no time for any of that. I'm just trying to read the raw cases. And then Monday we gathered everyone there in the conference room, all the Trump appointees as well as the career people to talk this through again of what the challenges were and what our defenses would be.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, folks were there, there was a lot of discussion going on back and forth. And then we were also reviewing the challenges that were coming in because we had to have folks in court the very next morning, that Saturday morning defending. And so we took the position we would defend on procedural grounds only until we could wrap our arms around the substance of this.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we spent the weekend trying to figure out what is this thing. What are they trying to accomplish? Who's included in it and who's not? Because we're on travel ban 3.0 now, but the travel ban on which I made my decision was obviously the first one. And it included, for example, lawful permanent residents and people with valid visas. Literally folks were midair when the president signed the travel ban and could not get back into the country. And so we spent the weekend again trying to wrap our arms around who was in and who was out and what the White House was trying to accomplish.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really unusual. Really unusual. I mean, normally for something like this, not just would the Department of Justice be consulted and be part of it, but if you have a national security purpose for something, you would consult with the National Security Agencies. And none of that happened”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was actually in the car late Friday afternoon on the 27th on my way to go back to Atlanta for my husband was being honored in an event that weekend and so I was going back for that dinner and I got a call from my principal deputy telling me you're not going to believe this but I just read in the New York Times that the president has signed some sort of travel ban and we didn't know anything about it. And so I immediately got on my usual that was that”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That was on Friday. I called on that Monday to let him know that we had it available and ready for them to review, and Monday was my last day.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I was certainly surprised by that, kind of befuddled as to what's going on here. But at the same time, as I said, I wasn't there after January 30th, so I didn't really know if perhaps there was some interaction going on that I just didn't know about.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we all were surprised. Now, when I had the second meeting, there were two meetings. The second one was on the 27th, and then I left DOJ on the 30th. And so I didn't know what was going on in communications between the Department of Justice and the White House after the 30th. But, yeah, I mean, because we made it really clear when we went to see them that we were giving them this information so that they could take action.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think, and I'm trying to be careful about what I've testified to and what I haven't because I don't want to reveal things that's done.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A couple of levels, we're concerned that the vice president was misleading the American people, and we presumed he didn't know that. But we were also concerned that we weren't the only ones who knew that the information that Mike Flynn had provided the vice president and others to give that to the American people wasn't true. Was said on that conversation, they would know as well, and that created a compromise situation where the Russians could use that as leverage, either subtly or directly with the incoming national security advisors. I think that it was...”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, this was in leading up to the inauguration and then after that there had been a number of public statements that were coming out of the White House and most recently from the vice president that General Flynn had not had any communications with the Russian ambassador about sanctions. You know, we're a year out, but at the time it was a big thing about the sanctions and as well as whether or not there was an effort to essentially tell the Russians don't worry about those sanctions. And there were a number of statements coming both from Rance Priebus, from Sean Spicer, and then as I mentioned at the very end, from the vice president saying he had talked with General Flynn, and General Flynn had assured him that there had been no discussion about sanctions. It was essentially Christmas greetings and setting up a meeting, etc. Well, we knew that not to be the case, and we were concerned about that.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some Well, look, that goes through a lot of levels of review at the Department of Justice to take that kind of action with respect to any lawyer's home or office, much less the lawyer for the President of the United States. And there are various requirements for a search warrant period in terms of having probable cause to believe that there's evidence of a crime there. But to go after that for a lawyer, you look at things like a crime fraud exception, whether there's evidence that the lawyer perhaps was involved with the client in the crime. There are various exceptions there, but I can assure you that it was reviewed really carefully before they took. And Rosenstein.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, it's hard for me to know what he intended. I think the fact that some people see that is important enough right there, whether that was actually what was intended or not.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you know, the president does have really very broad part authority, right? And I worked with President Obama primarily on the clemency initiative, which was the initiative to reduce the sentences for lower-level nonviolent drug offenders who were sentenced under outdated laws. But there is a process that the Department of Justice follows where there's a pardon application that comes in, you review it, you go back to the prosecuting attorneys, you see what the conduct has been since the time of conviction. That's the process that's normally followed. It's not required, but it's the process. Your pil”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that's one of the things that concerned me is that as we talk about Bob Mueller and whether he's a Democrat or a Republican, we all seem to be losing that Russia interfered in our election. And there hasn't been a whole lot of talk about what we're doing to make sure that they don't do it again. This is not an investigation into some tangential issue. It's about a foreign adversary, not just attempting, but actually being able to interfere in our election. That's serious stuff. And it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. It seems that all of us ought to want to get to the bottom of that.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They take a very long time. And what many people probably wouldn't have any way of recognizing, this has moved at a lightning pace for an investigation as complex as this to have already produced the number of charges and guilty pleas that it has is really remarkable. sending subpoenas for documents, you have to wait until you get those back, you then get more documents, you subpoena witnesses. It's a very long process. And they've obviously been really pushing hard to get this done quickly.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, I remember when he was first named and it was met with universal acclaim, you know, Republicans and Democrats were saying that he's just the right guy to be doing this. I'm not real sure what changed from that point until now, except maybe there are results of that investigation that some people don't like.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In your case, there's a lot of Yeah, you know, I prosecuted Democrats and Republicans. I'm not the only one prosecutors all over the country. Prosecute folks on both sides of the aisle, even though they most likely have a political preference themselves. People just don't seem to understand that that's just not how DOJ works, that you put all of that aside and you call cases as you see them. And even if you were to have an errant prosecutor, the machinery is such that it'd be really hard for one person to be able to drive some type of politically motivated prosecution when you have agents and other lawyers and U.S. attorney and main justice and all involved in these countries.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you know what I found was that when I was doing corruption cases, is that there are always going to be folks who want to ascribe motives to you in those cases.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He said, you know, just the facts, ma'am, kind of guy. And I know that that dates me to use that expression. Not to me. But okay, we'll do it. But he is. I mean, he is the quintessential G-Man prosecutor. You've probably heard the story about how he had left the Department of Justice and gone to private practice and wanted back in. And so he calls Eric Holder, who was then the Deputy Attorney General. Was it in D.C. In DC during the time when violent crime was really through the roof and wants to be a prosecutor again and goes on the line to do homicide cases where he's known for answering the phone muller homicide because he was that into the ethos of the Department of Justice and wanting to do good and wanting to make a contribution? And so he's a straight arrow kind of guy.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that worries me too. I mean, I hear that same thing sometimes. And none of us should be hoping that the president conspired with the Russians to impact the election. And none of us should be hoping for an indictment. It seems to me what we should all hope for and expect and demand is that Bob Muller have the time and the opportunity that he needs to get to the bottom of it. If there's more there, Mueller ought to find it and we ought to find out about it. And if there's not, we need to know that too, and we should be willing to accept that as well.”
2018-05-27 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 246 — Sally Yates · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source