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Sam Altman

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“We are going to try our hardest to get to a good place here. I think the challenges are tough. I understand that not everyone agrees with our approach of iterative deployment and also iterative discovery. But it's what we believe in. I think we're making good progress. And I think the pace is fast, but so is the progress. So the pace of capabilities and change is fast. But I think that also means we will have new tools to figure out alignment and sort of the capital S safety problem.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's what I was going to say. I don't think it's a small group of people. I think this is like the Product of the culmination of whatever you want to call it, an amazing amount of human effort. And if you think about everything that had to come together for this to happen, Those people discovered the transistor in the 40s. Like, is this what they were planning on? All of the work, the hundreds of thousands, millions of people that ever, it's been that it took to go from that one first transistor to packing the numbers we do into a chip and figuring out how to wire them all up together. And everything else that goes into this, the energy required, the science, like just every, every step. Is the output of all of us. And I think that's pretty cool”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, that's certainly what it feels like. I mean, I think that's what most people would say if they were really honest about it.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wish it were that introspective all the time. It's a lot of just like, you know, what will bring me joy, what will bring me fulfillment? I do think a lot about what I can do that will be useful, but who do I want to spend my time with? What do I want to spend my time doing?”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I think it is like good advice in some sense, but I also think. It's way too tempting to take advice from other people. And the stuff that worked for me, which I tried to write down there, probably doesn't work that well or may not work as well for other people. Or like other people may find out that they want to just have a super different life trajectory. And I think I mostly... Got what I wanted by ignoring advice. And I think I tell people not to listen to too much advice, listening to advice from other people should be approached with great caution.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are we living now with a greater degree of digital intelligence than you would have expected three years ago? And if you could go back and be told by an oracle three years ago, which is a blink of an eye, that in March of 2023, you will be living with this degree of digital intelligence. Would you expect your life to be more different than it is right now?”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I would just go about my life. I mean, a version of that is like, what are you doing differently now that if GPT-4 told you and you believed it, okay, AGI is here? AGI is coming real Are you going to do differently”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, maybe it's in the data. Maybe we need to build better detectors that really advanced AI could tell us how to do. It may not be able to answer it on its own, but it may be able to tell us what to go build to collect more data.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Might be able to help us figure out how to go detect. Meaning to send some emails to humans and say, Can you run these experiments? Can you build the space probe? Can you wait a very long time?”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your incompetence. No, I think you do want. The style of the way GPT-4 talks to you. Really matters, you probably want something different than what I want, but we both probably want something different than the current GPT-4. And that will be really important, even for a very tool-like thing.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look, there are going to be Very interactive GPT four powered pets or whatever. Robots, companions, and A lot of people seem really excited about that.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or just the more you think that it's doing something or should be able to do something or rely on it for something that it's not capable of.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Something's a creature, I'm happy for people to think of it and talk about it as a creature, but I think it is dangerous to project.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, one of the things that I have realized, like this is a little aside and not that important, but I have never felt. Any pronoun other than it towards any of our systems. But most other people say him or her or something like that. And I wonder why I am so different. Like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's I watch it develop. Maybe it's I think more about it, but I'm curious where that difference comes from.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I am nervous about the speed with this changes and the speed with which our institutions can adapt. Which is part of why we want to start deploying these systems really early, why they're really weak, so that people have as much time as possible to do this. I think it's really scary to have nothing, nothing, nothing, and then drop a super powerful AGI all at once on the world. I don't think people should want that to happen. But what gives me hope is, I think the less zero, the more positive sum the world gets, the better. And the upside of the vision here, just how much better life can be. I think that's going to unite a lot of us. And even if it doesn't, it's just going to make it all feel more positive some.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of the many lessons to take away from this SVB thing is how much How fast and how much the world changes and how little I think our experts, leaders, business leaders, regulators, whatever understand it. So the The speed with which the SVB bank runed. Because of Twitter, because of mobile banking apps, whatever, was so different than the two thousand eight collapse, where we didn't have those things really. I don't think the kind of people in power realize how much the field had shifted. And I think that is a very tiny preview of the shifts that AGI will bring.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We may not be done. That may have been like the gun shone falling off the nightstand in the first scene of the movie or whatever.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there was a weekend of terror for sure. And now I think even though it was only 10 days ago, it feels like forever and people have forgotten about it.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What I think needs would be good to do right now is just a, and this requires statutory change, but it may be a full guarantee of deposits, maybe a much, much higher than 250K. But you really don't want depositors having to doubt security of their deposits, and this thing that a lot of people on Twitter were saying is like, well, it's their fault, they should have been like, you know, reading the balance sheet and the risk audit of the bank. Like, do we really want people to have to do that? I would argue no”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The response of the federal government, I think, took much longer than it should have, but by Sunday afternoon, I was glad they had done what they've done. We'll see what happens next.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think they just like horribly mismanaged. While chasing returns in a very silly world of 0% interest rates, Buying very long dated instruments. Secured by very short term and variable deposits. And this was obviously dumb. I think Totally the fault of the management team, although I'm not sure what the regulators were thinking either. Is an example of where I think. You see the dangers of incentive misalignment. As the Fed kept raising I assume that the incentives on people working at SVB to not sell at a loss their super safe bonds, which were now down 20% or whatever, or down less than that, but then kept going down. That's like a classy example of incentive misalignment. Now, I suspect they're not the only bank in a bad position here.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, he's just done an unbelievable job, but he is amazing at being. Clear and firm. And getting people to want to come along, but also compassionate and patient. With his people”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think most. CEOs are either great leaders or great managers. And from what I have observed with Satya, He is both. Supervisionary really like gets people excited, really makes long duration and correct calls. And also, he is just a super effective hands on executive, and I assume manager too. And I think that's pretty rare.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think most other companies. Maybe now they would, it wouldn't at the time have understood why we needed all the weird control provisions we have and why we need all the kind of like AGI specialness. And I know that because I talked to some other companies before we did the first deal with Microsoft. And I think they are unique in terms of the companies at that scale that understood why we needed the control provisions we have.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not all. Perfect or easy, but on the whole, they have been an amazing partner to us. Satya and Kevin and Mikhail are super aligned with us, super flexible, have gone like way above and beyond the call of duty to do things that we have needed to get all this to work. This is like a big iron complicated engineering project. And they are a big and complex company. And Think like many great partnerships or relationships, we've sort of just continued to ramp up our investment in each other. And it's been very good.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It takes a lot of time. Like, I spend I mean, I think a lot of people claim to spend a third of their time hiring. I for real truly do. I still approve every single hired Open I think there's. We're working on a problem that is very cool and that great people want to work on. We have great people and some people want to be around them. But even with that, I think there's just no shortcut for putting a ton of effort into this.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If, like, most people in the company weren't really excited to work super hard and collaborate well on GPT-4 and thought other stuff was more important, there'd be very little I or anybody else could do to make it happen We spend a lot of time figuring out what to do, getting on the same page about why we're doing something, and then how to divide it up and all coordinate together.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's a question of should we be really proud of that or should other companies be really embarrassed? And we believe in a very high bar for the people on the team. Work Which you're not even supposed to say anymore or something. We give a huge amount of trust and autonomy and authority to individual people. And we try to hold each other to very high standards. There's a process which we can talk about, but it won't be that illuminating. I think it's those other things that make us able to ship at a high velocity.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People don't really jailbreak iPhones that much anymore. And it's gotten harder for sure, but also like you can just do a lot of stuff now.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Users to Lot of control and get the model to behave in the way they want. Within some very broad bounds. And I think the whole reason for jailbreaking is right now we haven't yet figured out how to like give that to people. And the more we solve that problem, I think the less need there will be for jailbreaking.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, when I was like a kid basically, I got worked once on jailbreaking an iPhone, the first iPhone, I think. It was so cool Also, it's very strange to be on the other side of that.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There will be harm caused by this tool. There will be harm. There will be tremendous benefits. But, you know, tools do wonderful good and real bad. We will minimize the bad and maximize the good.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think we as Open AI have responsibility for. Tools we put out into the world. I think the tools themselves can't have responsibility in the way I understand it.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have a different set of challenges faced by the previous generation of companies, which is People talk about free speech issues with GPT, but it's not quite the same thing. It's not like this is a computer program what it's allowed to say, and it's also not about the mass spread and the challenges that I think may have made the Twitter and Facebook and others have struggled with so much. So we will have very significant challenges, but they'll be very new and very different.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think a lot of the answers, you know, like if you ask GPT-4, I don't know, just to stick on the same topic, did COVID leak from a lab? I expect you would get a reasonable answer as well.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Too much amphetamines cause the war is like a great Even if not true, simple explanation that feels Satisfying and excuses a lot of other, probably much darker human truths.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Math is true, and the origin of COVID is not agreed upon as ground truth. Things and then there's stuff that's like Certainly not true. But between that first and second Milest There's a lot of disagreement.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, to be clear, I don't. Nor does anyone else at OpenICE that they're like reading all the chat GPT messages. What I hear people using it for, at least the people I talk to, and from what I see on Twitter, we are definitely mostly good. Not all of us are Of the time, and we really want to push on the edges of these systems. Know, we really want to test out some darker theories.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do worry about that a lot. I mean, we try to figure out. As much red teaming and testing ahead of time as we do. How to avoid a lot of those, but I can't emphasize enough how much the collective intelligence and creativity of the world will beat OpenAI and all of the red teamers we can hire. So we put it out, but we put it out in a way we can make changes.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Really know it might be better. I expect it would be better, but would it be better than Hundred super intelligent or a thousand super intelligent AGIs sort of in a liberal democratic system. Now, also, how much of that can happen internally in one superintelligent AGI? Not so obvious.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I recoil at the idea of living in a communist system. And I don't know how much of that is just the biases of the world I grow up in and what I have been taught and probably more than I realize. But I think like more Individualism more human will, more ability to self determine. And also I think the ability to try new things and not need permission and not need some sort of central planning. Betting on human ingenuity and this sort of like distributed process, I believe is always going to beat centralized planning. And I think that for all of the deep flaws of America, I think it is the greatest place in the world. It's the best at this”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The two dominant changes will be that the cost of intelligence and the cost of energy are going over the next couple of decades to dramatically dramatically fall from where they are today. And the impact of that, and you're already seeing it with the way you now have programming ability beyond what you had as an individual before, is society gets much, much richer, much wealthier in ways that are probably hard to imagine. I think every time that's happened before, it has been that economic impact has had positive political impact as well. And I think it does go the other way too. Like the socio-political values of the Enlightenment enabled the Long running technological revolution and scientific discovery process we've had for the past centuries. But I think we're just going to see more. Sure, the shape will change.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I love that you ask them together because I think they're super related. I think the economic transformation will drive much of the political transformation here, not the other way around. My working model for the last Five years has been”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it is a component. Something we should pursue, it is not a full solution. I think people work for lots of reasons besides money. I think we are going to find incredible new jobs and society as a whole and people's individuals are going to get much, much richer. But as a cushion through a dramatic transition and as just like I think the world should eliminate poverty if able to do so. I think it's a great thing to do as a small part of the bucket of solutions. I helped start a project called Worldcoin Which is a technological solution to this. We also have funded a large, I think maybe the largest and most comprehensive universal basic income study as part of sponsored by OpenAI. And I think it's like an area we should just be looking into”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think we as a society are confused about whether we want to work more or work less and certainly about whether most people like their jobs and get value out of their jobs or not. Some people do. I love my job, I suspect you do too. A real privilege. Not everybody gets to say that. If we can move more of the world to better jobs and work to something that can be Broader concept, not something you have to do to be able to eat, but something you do as a creative expression and a way to find fulfillment and happiness whatever else. Even if those jobs look extremely different from the jobs of today, I think that's great. I'm not nervous about it at all.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I want to be clear. I think these systems will make a lot of jobs just go away. Every technological revolution does. They will enhance many jobs and make them much better, much more fun, much higher paid. They'll create new jobs that are difficult for us to imagine even if we're starting to see the first glimpses of them. But I heard someone last week talking about GPT-4 saying that, you know, man, the dignity of work is just such a huge deal. We've really got to worry. Even people who think they don't like their jobs, they really need them. It's really important to them and to society. And also, can you believe how awful it is that France is trying to raise the retirement age?”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is. I'm trying to think of a big category that I believe. Be massively impacted. I guess I would say customer service is a category that I could see there are just way fewer jobs relatively soon. Even certain about that I could believe it”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think the world is going to find out that if you can have 10 times as much code at the same price, you can just use even more.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Full, like, does the whole thing end to end better? Not like what it's doing with you, where it's helping you be maybe 10 times more productive.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To empathize, just to like, I want to just buy our users, our developers, our users a drink and say, like, tell us what you'd like to change. And I think one of the things we are not good, as good at as a company as I would like is to be a really user-centric company. And I feel like by the time it gets filtered to me, it's like totally meaningless. So I really just want to go talk to a lot of our users in very different contexts.”
2023-03-25 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #367 – Sam Altman: OpenAI CEO on GPT-4, ChatGPT, and the Future of AI · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source