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Sara Khan

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first: 2022-06-03
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“If I was to put it down to one, I think standing up and defending our democracy, our institutions and the independence of our democratic institutions, our values and principles, equality and human rights, laws, for example, they are so essential to who we are. And once we start seeing the degrading of those institutions, those values, if we don't stand up for them, then I think that is fundamentally what will undermine cohesion. So I think standing up for those things are so important in our democracy.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is probably a number of things, to be honest. I mean, I don't see myself as a hero at all in that sense at all. I mean, I just, for me, when you care, I think when you care so passionately about something and when you've seen the harm that extremism has on our democracy, the rights of people being undermined and denied the harm to social cohesion, once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. Once you know about it, you can't not care about it anymore. So you feel like even though it's a burden to a certain degree, you've got to stand up and play your part as a citizen and counter extremism.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I've thought about that, obviously, and I think in the end I would have continued to have done it because in my view, a lot of that bullying, intimidation, death threats, and all of it is an attempt to silence me. It's an attempt to censor me. And as I mentioned earlier, my agency, my voice, I know I'm not going to allow anybody to silence me. And at the end of the day, what am I doing that's so wrong? You know, I am speaking out against all forms of extremism. I'm defending and supporting human rights, gender equality, all of those things. So if that means I will experience bullying and abuse, we'll bring it on, but I'm not going to be silenced or censored by extremists or by anybody else.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's been bad. You know, it has been terrible. I think if somebody had said to me when I started out on that path of counter-extremism work, this is what would have happened to you and the experiences, I just don't think I'd have believed anybody.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Idea of institutional racism without trying to address those problems that do exist in some institutions, clearly, but doing it in a very fruitful and meaningful way.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I do share the anger. As a human rights activist, any type of discrimination makes me froth at the mouth. I really dislike it. What I don't subscribe is this argument that I think Islamist groups have made, and I think some on the political left who suggest that the only type of racism and discrimination is at an institutional level or who say, for example, that the government is engaged in state-sponsored Islamophobia. That type of language, that type of narrative, I think, is totally destructive for young Muslims in this country. You are in effect helping to create a wedge between young Muslims and the British state, in effect. I think that's totally unacceptable. I'm very aware of discrimination. I've experienced anti-Muslim hatred throughout my life, and I suspect I will continue to do so. So it's just that how do we channel that into a much more useful and a much more accurate representation of the picture actually come up with useful solutions instead of just banging on about the reality and this.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, look, you know, we've got to tackle all types of extremism. Sometimes I do feel there's a bit of political point scoring or kind of driven by ideology rather than actually saying we need to tackle extremism, whether it's far-right Islamist or any other type of extremism. And by the way, there will be new forms of extremism. I mean, the incel extremist movement, I think, is particularly concerning, and I highlighted that in my last report at the Commission, that that is a growing extremist threat that needs to be tackled with. So the idea that we should only focus on one at the expense of another is totally counterproductive. I mean, yes, we need the speciality, we need to develop the training and understanding within our public bodies and institutions, but the idea that we should focus on one at the expense of another is just not acceptable in my view.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I remember going up to Newcastle, speaking to a whole round table of different people from different backgrounds, residents of the area, and they were telling me about the challenge of extremism. I remember speaking to one man who said to me that Tommy Robinson was planning to come up to the area and his mates were going, yeah, come on, we're all going to go, we're all going to support him. We like what Tommy's saying. And this one man said to me, he pushed back against his mates in the pub and said, listen, Tommy Robinson's a fake. He's just whipping up division and hatred. And he managed to convince all his friends not to attend the rally. Now, his role and his impact was so significant that in the end, Tommy Robinson actually cancelled his rally. But again, it just shows the power of that one individual in helping to restrict and narrow extremism is incredible. And I don't think we should underestimate those types of stories and the power of one person making a change.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Okay, okay, that kind of really important bringing people together from different communities, research has shown time again how important that is and the quality of that in breaking down prejudice and intolerance of each other. So that's, you know, that's really important.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's definitely linked. When I was at the commission, the issue around cohesion was something that came up time and time again. And I think the reality is that when we talk about extremism, so much focused has been on terrorism. But actually, we've not really understood the impact that extremism has on cohesion, on the rights of other people. So to really get the opportunity to focus on this properly, to understand how can we empower local authorities, when time and again I found local authorities being too slow to respond to issues, how can we empower local communities to stand up and challenge extremism? And also the broader work around victims of extremism, who are just at the moment unrecognised. People who've cried on my shoulders, how they've been repeatedly targeted, and there's an institutional failure in recognising those victims, never mind supporting them. We don't even recognize them.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Against Muslims, because you're more concerned about political correctness and the fear of being labelled racist actually helping Muslims.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be honest, I feel like I've been doing that for a lot of my life actually because I think there is a genuine fear, a lack of confidence, a lack of understanding. I mean, you know, when I was at the commission, I remember meeting councillors, you know, I won't say from which area, but, you know, in this area, there was clearly a problem of both far right and Islamist extremism. And those councils felt very comfortable talking about the threat of the far right. But when I pressed them on, well, what about pushing back against the Islamists threat in the area and how it's radicalising young Muslims? They just could not talk about it. They felt somehow they were going to be offending Muslims. Somehow it was being racist in Islamophobic. And I thought, you know, you're not doing a service to Muslims in this country if you think that. When 66% of Muslims in this country believe more needs to be done to tackle Islamist extremism, where 66% of Muslims would refer people to prevent, you not talking about the threat of Islamist extremism, which harms Muslims first and foremost, is totally unacceptable. You're actually discriminating.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, absolutely. So, for example, when Islamist groups say, you know, if I talk or you talk and condemn Islamist extremism, and now we are suddenly labelled as Islamophobic, that's totally and utterly unacceptable. And what that's trying to do is actually silence dissent. It's actually creating a climate of censorship and fear where you can't talk about Islamist extremism because they've conflated that with Islamophobia.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wouldn't agree with that completely. Look, there is genuine anti-Muslim hatred in this country. I've experienced it. The polls and the statistics show that there is a problem. Trying to deny that, I don't think helps anybody at all.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If it's there to, I mean, if we understand what safeguarding means, look, I've spoken to people, for example, who were radicalized into extremism, both far-right and Islamist, when they were teenagers, they're 40 years old now. It continues to have an impact on their lives.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, if it's there to safeguard me, because we know that there are parents out there who aren't necessarily aware, particularly now with social media and people getting access to extremist content online, there should be safeguarding policies out there.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I can only talk about my work. What I tried to do at the Commission was to say we cannot conflate religious conservative views. People promoting the idea, by the way, of Islamist theocratic caliphate in complete contrast to our democracy is what would be captured under my definition of extremism because it's so in contrast to everything that our country stands for. You cannot have a theocratic caliphate and support the rights of gay people, which undermines the rights of Jewish people, which undermines the rights of minority Muslims or women in general, is totally contradictory. So again, I try to get that definition of extremism to something where it's not undermining civil liberties and human rights and it's not clashing with conservative values. You and I...”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sort of definition, but it's the worst, but that's the working definition. And one of our recommendations to the government was we think we've created enough of an argument for you and we've highlighted narrowly the activity. We don't want it to be broad like you're suggesting if you wear a headscarf or cover your hair. That makes you an extremist. That's totally and utterly unacceptable, by the way, and not conflating conservative religious views with extremist views”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it took me three years to get there. It took me three years of blood, sweat and tears, but it's about, and it's in the operating with impunity report where we say activity or materials, which are directed at an out-group who are perceived as a threat to an in-group. And it's got supremacist political, racial or religious ideology intending to create a climate that's conducive to terrorism, violence, or hate crime, or is seeking to undermine the fundamental freedoms and rights of our democratic society, which is protected by the Human Rights Act.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, when I started at the commission, I knew that one of my first challenges was, well, define extremism. And I had people coming up to me commiserating me saying, well, good luck with that one, including senior figures across Whitehall, just saying good luck. Because the E word is divisive. It's complex. It's controversial. People have different views. We know that over the years, people have been unfairly labelled extremists. I remember Jenny Jones, now Baroness, Jenny Jones, finding a self and a police domestic extremist list, for example. We know the suffragettes a hundred years ago because they were campaigning for civil liberties and human rights. They were designated as extremists by the government of the day. Further afield was the authoritarian states and non-democratic countries like the Chinese Communist Party, even Russia, willy-nilly going round using that phrase to silence dissent. And I think for me, when I started at the commission, coming up with a definition, a credible definition of extremism is really important because”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, there were lots of things that I saw. I mean, if people, and if the government, for example, and they didn't do this effectively, if they didn't go out and explain to some communities what prevent it is about, and in essence, they left a vacuum, which when Islamists then dominated and said, well, this is what prevent is about, or people who were concerned about prevent thinking it was a spying operation when it clearly wasn't. There have clearly been mistakes in the past. I mean, the example of the spy cameras in Birmingham very early on in prevent stages, there were issues like that which caused detrimental failures and people not to respect or appreciate the program. So those types of challenges have continued. And I think having that engagement, continuing to engage with communities, explaining what the program is, addressing concerns. And I think that's got to continue in a much better way than we've seen previously.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think, I mean, just to be clear on the language, I don't think he's saying focusing on Muslim communities. I think he's talking about the Islamist threat, which is, to be very clear, is a very different issue. My own personal opinion, and having led the Commission for Countering Extremism, is that I think good policy has to be ideologically blind. Because if you understand extremism, if you understand that extremism is fundamentally a human and societal ill, it's existed throughout time. It will continue to exist throughout time. It's like crime. You're always going to have to have a policy that tackles crime, the same with extremism, and that's counter-extremism policies and strategies. Now, for me, if you know, like I do, that there is far-right Islamists seek, there's Hindu nationalism, there's all different types of extremism, there's far left, for example, you've got to deal with all of those types of problems, and only trying to focus on one at the expense of this is totally counterproductive.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, look, I've criticised Prevent lots of times. What my critics will not acknowledge is that I have criticised Prevent many times in my writings and my statements as the only person that's actually reviewed the government's counter-extremism strategy. I had the biggest criticism where I said the government has to urgently reform the entire approach. It's completely outdated. It's no longer fit for purpose. So I'm not somebody who's not going to not criticise government policy. I've been at the forefront of doing that. So I just reject those arguments. I mean, look, prevent is not perfect. I don't think any policy in public life is ever going to be perfect. You always need to have independent reviews, of which we know there is currently one happening at the moment, led by William Shawcross. I think you always need independent oversight. So it'll be very interesting to see what his findings are going to be. But I think if there are failings,”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it was called making a stand and it was working with Muslim communities. But remember, it wasn't anti-ISIS campaign. I feel like it's so bizarre that I even have to say that. I don't know which right-minded person would not want to support that. But I suppose, I mean, coming back to your question, I think it's more of, you know, people trying to promote this homogenous idea of Muslims, I think it's really destructive. The point is that Muslims are as plural as everybody else who have different opinions. This kind of narrative of saying they are traitors or native informants. And I think we have to be very conscious of that instead of expecting this kind of monolithic narrative about Muslims.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Probably, and I just think it's ludicrous because, like I was saying, she's never met, you know, she hadn't met me, she doesn't clearly know about my work and my values. I mean, the fact that I got so much criticism and she didn't support the anti-ISAS campaign, which the Home Office did fund. And I think rightly so that the Home Office should fund an anti-ISIS campaign and working with British Muslims to safeguard Muslim kids. I just find absolutely bizarre. But I mean, going back to your question.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, I think when Cider made that comment, to be honest, I just found it really bizarre and strange because she'd never actually met me. Yet she was doing the media tours going around telling me that I was this creation and mouthpiece of the Home Office. I mean, I just find that. I mean, I actually laugh when you say it, Nick, because the creation of the Home Office just was ludicrous. I mean, I think for me.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, the people I find who tend to use that phrase are either the Islamists or the far right or, you know, politicians for their own political or ideological agenda. And I think we have to be very careful. We don't fall into that trap. I mean, look, you know, there are, what, 3.5 million Muslims in this country. You have Turkish Muslims. You have Yemeni Muslims. From all backgrounds, different socioeconomic backgrounds, class, education, everything. And the idea that everyone thinks the same is just complete nonsense. I mean, as a classic example, the AMCB, as you mentioned, they've constantly said that the Muslim community has rejected prevent. Now, when there was an independent piece of research done by Crest, they show that actually 56% of British Muslims had never even heard of Prevent. And when there was a neutral explanation of the program, 80% of Muslims would give their support to that program.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I don't actually. I don't feel like I walk a tightrope at all because I think one of the challenges we have is when certain organisations, and I think that includes the MCB, when they try to promote this myth that Muslims, they are one singular community that all think and believe the same way. That's just categorically not true.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that definitely there was that as an inspiration. But when I was an inspire, the number of women I came across who again were denied basic freedoms, I mean, it actually gave me sleepless nights. And I remember one woman telling me how, I think it was Tower Hamlet, she said she could see Tower Hamlet's tube station outside her window, but she'd never sat on the tube before because her husband didn't want her to travel the tube. He just wanted her to be confined to the home. And when you hear those kinds of stories time and again, I remember speaking to women up in Leeds and places like that, they really have an impact on you. They really make you feel, you know, if they are, in one sense, unfortunately, voiceless, and I feel like I had a duty and a responsibility to try and fight for their rights. That's not saying that, oh, all Muslim women are oppressed, which is why I think some people have accused me of. I'm not bothered about the Muslim women that have got PhDs and are highly successful CEOs. I'm good for them. I'm concerned about those women who don't have those same freedoms and rights that we all take.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, again, neither of my parents were particularly religious. I mean, I think one thing I really took from my mother was she had huge aspirations. I remember she saying she wanted to become a police detective before she'd got married and had children. But that wasn't what her parents wanted. She was expected to follow down the usual route of get married, have children. And I think, again, that had a really fundamental impact on me. Again, this was a woman who could not fulfill her aspirations in life and her dreams in life. And I remember, though, you know, there was a woman who lived near us, a Pakistani woman, and she set up a Pakistani women's association in Bradford and she managed to galvanize all these women who were sitting at home, and including my mother and my mother got involved in all these empowerment programs and activity. And as a six-year-old, I think that definitely had an impact on me to see how my mother suddenly just came alive and mixing with other women and running all kinds of programs. And I think that had an impact on me eventually setting up my own NGO.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, absolutely. And you know, I did wear it at that time, and then I took it off. But both of those times were my choices and my freedom.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think it was a combination of both. I mean, on the former, on the issue of women's rights, when you've seen what I've seen, when you've seen preachers restricting the rights of women saying that the only role a woman has is within the private sphere, she can't go out and contribute to public life. Or, like I said earlier, supporting domestic violence and restricting the rights. And, you know, I constantly heard them telling women what they can and cannot do, what they can and cannot say, what they can and cannot wear. just increasingly made me angry and really frustrated. And I think that's why for me, my autonomy, my agency being independent was such a central part. I wasn't going to have anybody, whether it's those preachers or anybody else actually tell me what I could say or do because it was just so frustrating for me.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was probably a mix of different things because as a teenager I was quite interested in spirituality, I was quite interested in God. You know, I don't know whether to call that a pure thing, but then I got involved in Muslim activism. And to some degree, certain aspects of Islamist activism. And I think a lot of that then eventually jarred because when I saw, for example, religious preachers saying women can experience marital rape, for example, or domestic violence, or they were promoting hatred about gay people or non-Muslims, for example, that really jarred with my own human rights ethos and background. And so I kind of felt split between having a genuine belief in a humanistic egalitarian interpretation of the faith against certain preachers and organizations who are promoting very much the opposite. And so I think that conflict always jarred with me. But at the same time, I felt, well, I'm going to speak out and defend.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was very real, and I think as a 14-year-old watching the news, hearing, and your father say things like that, even though he'd always said, Britain is your home and you must contribute to it, and to say, we may have to leave. And then when you watch things like BNP councillors being elected in northern towns, I think as a child, as a teenager, that's pretty daunting and pretty frightening. Of course, it has an impact on you. And so, yeah, you kind of think there are threats out there, but I think in one sense that just made me even more committed to saying, well, we have to play our part in defending our democracy from those threats.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That look, it may be, Sarah, that one day we will have to go back to Pakistan because we just don't know how things may progress.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I now remember I must have been about 13, 14 at the time and he'd gone to Friday prayers. I mean my father's not a particularly religious man but he would go to Friday prayers and he came back with a leaflet from the Islamist extremist group Hizba Tahir and they essentially believe in establishing a theocratic caliphate an Islamic state and he was very clear to me saying Sarah this is a really dangerous poisonous organization don't go anywhere near them the complete opposite to everything we stand for and again you know that was something I came across quite a bit but also I mean you know even though my father was patriotic he knew that there was far right extremism in this country he knew there was racism I mean I remember when the Bosnian war happened and again this is 1994 similar age to when he brought home that leaflet for me and the fact that he saw and felt that there were Europeans in our world who were being in a sense ethnically cleansed even though they had fair skin they were Europeans and I think that instilled also a fear in him and a reality”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not under any doubt that there aren't problems. I mean, part of my life has been spent countering those problems, so I'm very aware of them. And, you know, even as a youngster, I grew up going to school constantly being told the P word, experiencing that racism, experiencing that abuse. I remember seeing girls of my age being forced into marriage sometimes being taken to Pakistan, being left there, or girls of my age who had offered a place at Oxford University, for example, got the three A's, but their parents said, no, you're going to get married and have children, and that's it. And so, you know, I'm very aware that there are real problems. I think for me, I've never tried to hide away or deny that those problems exist. I think other people have, actually. They've tried to suggest, well, no, we shouldn't talk about those problems because they may fuel extremism or may further fuel racism. That for me is a completely, you know, incoherent argument.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh gosh, absolutely. I mean, my father came to this country in the 1960s. My mum came a couple of years later. And I think one of the things he really instilled in us is not only just a sense of working hard and contributing positively to this country, but that Britain is your home. And you have to contribute positively. Yes, our origins are from Pakistan and we will always have roots there. But Britain is in your home. And so he instilled on us this love for our democracy Britain and making us feel like we can achieve whatever we want as long as we work hard. Ignore the naysayers, ignore those people who say you can't do because you can. And I think that absolutely had a massive impact on my life and my outlook.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Look, the reality is when you live in diverse democracies like Britain and we celebrate that diversity, we celebrate that pluralism, you know, we are one of the most successful multiracial, ethnic, religious communities where we have a whole range of different political opinions and views. Inevitably, that's also going to bring tension and conflict. So the question then really is, is how do we live well together despite those differences?”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it can, and I think one of the best examples of that actually was the London Olympics. I mean, the nostalgia for that moment in time seems like a long time ago. But I remember people just feeling so uplifted by the positive sentiment of that time. And, you know, to a certain degree, I think the debater on patriotism has been hijacked by certain elements of the political left, certain elements of the political right. It's become seen as being a divisive issue. But actually, for a lot of people, there is an inclusive patriotism in this country. And we should absolutely celebrate it. I just don't think we wave the flag enough for that.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Definitely. I mean, I think it's an incredibly exciting time. My children have been asking me about it. And yeah, I mean, I am incredibly patriotic. I love this country. And just to be able to celebrate this Jubilee, I think it's actually an honour. I mean, I was talking about this with my daughter yesterday. This may not happen ever again in our lifetime. So it genuinely feels really, really special.”
2022-06-03 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Sara Khan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source