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Sarah Fitz-Claridge

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“Well, at the moment, because people have this view of children that is problematic. Those laws do at least try to protect children, but I can imagine sometime in the distant future when children are taken just as seriously as everyone else is taken, when they might also not be needed. I think that any kind of sexual relationship where there is a differential of power and authority is going to be dangerous. And so I don't know what it will be like in the future. So I'm just speculating. But many of these laws obviously were needed to protect children and maybe still are in some respects, but may not in the future when children are taken seriously.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, obviously in the past parents forced their children to work in dangerous conditions out of desperation for survival. So the people who brought in those labor laws obviously had very good intentions. It's just we're in a different problem situation now and certainly going into the future things will be different. So I'm sure that that will change.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lots of children worked not in full time jobs because obviously they were at school, but lots of children worked a lot more than they do now, especially in America. So I don't know. I think that that's one of the things that will change, yeah.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I suspect, and this is just a conjecture, although I am a libertarian, I'm not a utopian libertarian, I'm a popperian libertarian. So I don't actually know what the future will look like, but I would imagine that at some point in the future, some of these things will change. The child labour laws definitely do cause problems for, for example, young entrepreneurs. I've met someone who was a brilliant person and started a business at the age of, I think it was 11, and he had to lie about his age. And so now he's been banned from the particular financial online financial service that he was using because he lied about his age. But those laws do make it very difficult for children. It's weird because when I was a child”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I keep thinking it's nearly finished, but I'm doing another rewrite. So I'm not sure when it will be, but I hope not too long.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So even in my grandmother's lifetime, things were still changing quite some time after women had got the vote in England. So I think it's going to be a similar kind of thing. I think I hope that my book might make a difference, you know, that because once you see... This view, the view of children is like our view of women was in the past and black people in the days of slavery. And I think that People are going to start to see it, and then that's going to start making a difference, and it'll just be a sort of domino effect. Gradually, children will be taken seriously more and more.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that the shift will come in a similar way to the shift that came when women were emancipated. It wasn't all in one go. Women got the vote. I don't know which order things happened in actually, but it didn't all happen at once. And the idea of women in the culture changed gradually. And then there were certain things that happened like women got the vote that did make a difference. But for example, even in 1933, my own grandmother lost the job that she loved when she told her boss that she was getting married. And she said, that's just the way it was. If you were married, you couldn't have a job.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Develop the same hang ups, the same anti rational memes that cause them to do the same thing to their children. Not that it's 100%, you know, that you can, if you're aware of the idea of anti-rational memes, you can criticize and using creativity at least to some extent overcome them. And that's how we have over the years things have liberalized somewhat for children, but we still have this view of children that is pre-Enlightenment, I think. But yes, anti-rational memes is an explanation, I think, for why people grow up and do the same thing to their children.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which they Yes, and again, this is something that is in the beginning of infinity by David Deutsch, which is the idea of anti-rational memes. So, whereas rational memes replicate themselves. With criticism, like criticism doesn't hurt a rational meme, it's wonderful for a rational meme to be in an under critical scrutiny. But anti-rational memes disable their holders ability to criticize them. And so people brought up with these in this way, in this anti-rational way.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, with regard to how this could have evolved, you might want to read David Deutsch's The Beginning of Infinity. I think it's chapter 16, the evolution of creativity. I think that the interesting thing is how we got from a static society to The Enlightenment and creativity and all the rest of it. So I think of taking children seriously as like the final phase of the Enlightenment or maybe not the final phase, but it is certainly one area that we haven't applied enlightenment thinking to. So yeah, I think that, as I said, I think that in time people will look back on 2021 and how the people view children and they will be as horrified as we are when we look back at how women were viewed in the past.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, but of course, I think all these expedient arguments and trying to make a science of it are a mistake because, you know, we didn't end slavery because the studies said such and such. We didn't emancipate women because the studies said such and such the arguments were moral and philosophical. And I think people can get into some very dark territory when they start thinking that they can turn everything into a science that isn't science. It's scientism.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As Pollyanna said in the book of the same name, when will I have time to live? And that was after her aunt had told her that she was going to be having lessons in the morning. And when will I have time to live?”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I think it's more positive than that. But yes. And what children should be learning? Is what they want is what interests them, is how to solve problems. They don't learn that by being institutionalized for 12 years and bossed about by an authoritarian teacher who doesn't know very much. It's an insane idea.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think people are mistaken about how educational these things are. And it's completely mistaken to think that children who aren't coerced are not curious. It's entirely the opposite. Do we not notice how children's curiosity when they're a young child seems to just disappear in their later childhood? Can it not be something to do with the way that they're educated and raised?”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that that might well be a positive thing. Now, it is possible that it could be a negative thing. It could be that a child has no other real options, in which case, obviously, that's a mistake. The parent is not giving the child enough real options that are interesting, that are engage the child's interest and attention. Apart from that, with that caveat, I think that doing things like playing video games and watching television are incredibly educational. I mean, if you think about it, if an alien came from outer space, what would the quickest way to learn about our culture be? Well, it would probably be doing things like watching soap operas on television rather than someone trying to teach them in a school situation. They would learn much more inexplicitly from watching television than they would get from lessons about it.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That a lot of that, a lot of what you might see as laziness and doing something that you might think is mindless, although actually I don't think it's mindless at all, I think it's very educational to play video games. is just needing to just calm down from all the stress of life in the coercive family and the with all the schooling and everything so so there is that so for a start i don't think it's true that children It's not true. Children left to their own. I mean, it's not left to their own devices, but not coerced, would do nothing but play video games. But even if they wanted to do that,”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, speaking as one who was raised in the standard way, not the way I'm suggesting. I tried to do everything I could to escape from the coercion and the fighting and the endless stuff that was my time was school and homework and ballet lessons and piano lessons and violin lessons and ballet lessons, acrobatics and all the other stuff. And I would escape to my room whenever I could. And in my case, this was before computers and computer games. So in my case it was reading. But I think it's in no way surprising if children raised in the standard way need an escape into things like video games. Who wouldn't? It helps people to relax and calm down and it's so I think”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Using dog training techniques on children is, I think, is just immoral. And if you think about it from a young child's perspective, What that is doing when you are shunning them, ignoring them, you're basically withdrawing love. And for a child, a young child, that is absolutely terrifying. So I think that if parents could put themselves in their young children's minds and see how it is for those children, I don't think that they would want to do that. And we are not animal. I mean, we are animals, but we have a human mind. So the question is whether you want to be training your children by dog training techniques, by behaviorist operant conditioning or classical conditioning, or whether you want to use reason. Coercion decides issues under an irrational institution. And so you can't get the right answer that way.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Who have experience of their needs being met and not being thwarted, they trust that there's their needs are going to be met.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When you're paying attention to your very young child, then you're noticing. When people are not completely happy when there's a problem, you see it in their eyes. Why is the parent not noticing that there's a problem until the child is in a screaming traumatic, you know, traumatized state on the floor? Why is that happening? Don't need to happen, it just doesn't need to happen. And children who”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's not true. That's a myth that if you do raise children non-coercively, you will discover that that's just a myth.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Conflict ridden relationship to be created, whereas if you're taking your baby seriously, then you're paying attention and you are trying to make conjectures about what it is that the baby might be wanting or not wanting. And so you're responding positively at a much earlier stage. And so you don't have the screaming the sort of terrible stuff that you get in most homes, like this idea of the terrible twos and temper tantrums, that doesn't happen if you're taking your children seriously. It just doesn't happen because you're never, it's never getting to where it's that kind of a problem. You're actually responsive to your child.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, for a start, I don't think it's unreasonable. As I said, I think that children have reason, just like we do. So with pre-verbal, I think that this is another example of the difference in view actually. Because most people have this view of babies, say, as just being unreasonable and just crying and so on, they're not paying attention to the signals that the baby is giving. And so the baby's signals are ignored and so the baby starts really screaming. And then parents do things like, right, I'm going to force the child to learn to sleep through the night by ignoring her cries. The problem with that is number one, you're teaching the baby that the baby can't have an effect on the world, that problems are not soluble. But also, as I say, you are causing this.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Does suppose you're right that it makes no difference? Does that make immoral behavior unobjectionable? Yeah, so It comes to adults, we're not looking at the adult and saying, well, there's no ill effect from coercing my wife. I think she needs to be kept under control. And you show me the studies that show that there's a bad effect. So it's fine. Obviously, when it comes to adults, we don't use those arguments. We don't say, oh, the research shows that That corporal punishment of children causes a problem later and therefore you probably shouldn't do it. We don't say that when it comes to adults. We say it's wrong to hit someone. It's thinking about the effects is not the point. That is an example of this different view that we have of children, this view of children that is, I think, a mistake.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What matters is how we're living in the present. Not that we can't have goals and things that we think are important for the future and we can have those conversations. making life miserable in the present, then what you're teaching the child is that life is miserable and that in life you can't actually solve problems. You can't get what you want. So you might as well just give up. That is not conducive to anything important that the child will want to do, doing something important, it doesn't help to have coercion added to that. It just doesn't help. It's telling the child to that he can't trust himself, that he has to just live for the approval of someone else. That's not the kind of state of mind that that concept pianist is in or that Olympic athlete. Not how it is”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, if you have a non-coercive relationship with your children, then you can talk about these things and you can express your concerns about that you need to know this because of this. you can have a conversation you can Can persuade by reason If you just impose it, then the child Probably is still not agreeing with you. And the effect of that is not predictable. So you might find that these little bits of coercion that you want to get in there because you're worried about some future thing that might never happen. make everything go wrong in the present and really”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's suggesting that the self discipline that say a concert pianist or an MMA fighter has the thing, that self-discipline is what you instill by coercing children. That's rubbish. In the case of the Olympic athlete or the MMA fighter or the concert pianist, this is something that they live for. their own passion and so they are pursuing it fully, wholeheartedly. That is a completely different thing from disciplining children. Disciplining children says don't pursue your passions wholeheartedly. You need to do what I say. So it's like the opposite. It's actually training children not to be able to follow. Their passions with full heart and really going for it.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's ridiculous to the extent that they will encounter authority work situations, that kind of thing later on. They can learn how to navigate that kind of thing then. This idea of teaching children self-discipline by coercing them, by disciplining them is an equivocation on the word discipline. It's making a...”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, maybe that's because of the way that they are thwarted left and right throughout their childhood. And so then they don't trust the adults around them because how is a child who's been thwarted and coerced their whole childhood to know when you're saying something that actually is important, that is actually in their interest rather than just another thwarting for this for some silly reason.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think that's true. I think that when people are pursuing their own interests, it just all happens naturally and it is in no way, if someone wants to be a programmer or an engineer or a doctor and maybe they only suddenly realize this later on in their childhood, although I think in many cases people have this kind of drive earlier on in their childhood. But even if it is later in their childhood, people can learn later. I mean, for example, not that this is about mathematics, but Karl Popper's PhD thesis was not in philosophy. It was in psychology, educational psychology. And yet he became one of the most important philosophers ever. So there is an example. Of someone who changed his direction late in his life, relatively speaking. And I think the same is true for maths. I just don't agree with Brian Kaplan about this.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not true people who haven't been coerced, who've been taken seriously, have no trouble at all learning whatever they need to learn when they realize that they need it. We don't need to go through 12 years of torture or even a year or two of torture at home with home education under coercion to learn mathematics. That's ridiculous. I just.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Every new idea in mathematics, every discovery in the field of mathematics was discovered by someone who was not being coerced to learn maths. It was discovered by someone who was found mathematics a joy, a delight, fascinating. And that's how they came to discover it. And so, yes, it might be the case that most people don't feel like that about mathematics. Probably a lot of that is to do with the horrendous coercion in school about mathematics. It's enough to give anyone a lifelong aversion to it. But even apart from that, assume that it's true that most people just are not into maths. Well, most people don't need maths. I just don't think it's true that we have to coerce anyone to learn anything.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, for a start, I don't think it's true that children taken seriously don't know how to do arithmetic. I think that's ridiculous. I don't know which unschoolers he's talking about. Some of them do have some strange ideas, such as not allowing children to learn or trying to stop them learning stuff until later. So I don't know. In terms of the mathematics idea that we must co-ask our children to learn mathematics, well, for a start, I disagree that most people need mathematics. I don't think that's true. To the extent that it is true, it's people learn it naturally anyway. But also I think this idea is patently false. If you think about it.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Problem with this body of knowledge idea is that if everyone has the same body of knowledge, where are the new ideas going to come from? If you think about it in the past before schools The new ideas came from people whose history was completely different from other people's history, who had learnt something for the sheer joy of learning that thing. They didn't think, oh, I have to do this, I have to study this body of knowledge, this foundation of knowledge. And then I'll have all the ideas I need to come up with something new. No, new ideas are more likely to come from people who haven't got the same body of knowledge as everyone else. So I just think that idea is a mistake.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The school system is. Is, I think it's a sort of throwback to the past when people were trying to turn out good factory workers. you know in our knowledge based society now and moving forward that's not we're not looking for good factory workers who will obey and just do do the the mindless task that someone is setting them we're looking for people who are creative who come up with new ideas that will solve problems so that the world will be improved and will make progress and offering will be ended and you know System is just damps down people's creativity. It's stultifying”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Children should be supported to learn whatever they want to learn. And how they want to learn it. And very few children actually would want to go to school. The school is such an It's so authoritarian. The whole structure of the school system is this incredibly authoritarian structure. So, I think the vast majority of children, if not under psychological or other pressure to lie, would say that they definitely wouldn't choose to go to school. They might choose to go to some kind of formal education later when they have decided that they want to become a doctor, say, then obviously they're going to go through formal education. But that might not happen until later.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Instead of solving problems, you're coercing the child and then of course sometimes parents who have this authoritarian mindset are also tend to be self-sacrificial with their children like they're thinking, right, I've got to do this for my child, but it's not that the child is requesting something and they are sacrificing in that way. There's just a lot of with coercion tends to come self-sacrifice and the whole thing is not rational and when problems aren't solved and that includes the parents as well, not just the children.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think that there is actually a lot of resentment. Not sure that I would say animosity, but I think that there is a lot of resentment between parents and children both ways. And there is people are, and it's the parents as well, because they have this view of children that is not, at least as far as I'm concerned, is not correct. Does create friction and it does pit parents and child against each other. So it does cause problems.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One thing I just want to say about that is if you're imagining that you can raise a child from birth with a coercive top-down authoritarian dictatorship sort of relationship and then suddenly switch at whatever age you think that they become rational in your sense. By that time you've already wrecked your relationship with your child. I don't know how it's going to go well. We need to start from the beginning. With a view of children that they are rational, they are creative, they are reasonable, rather than thinking that you can just change course at some later stage.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, actually, we can, but if you just define rationality to exclude young children, then obviously you're going to say, look, therefore young children are irrational. But rationality means your ability to actually learn, create new knowledge. As I said, babies are clearly rational because they learn language. That's clear evidence of rationality.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I would say that children actually are more creative and rational than adults, not less, and especially young children. If you look at the enormous amount of stuff that young children learn and how difficult it is for many adults to learn things, if anything, they have more creativity and rationality, not less”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That they are creative and rational beings, and a chimp is not. A chimp has genetic knowledge which allows a certain range of behaviors and things it can learn, but it's limited, whereas human creativity is not limited, and that applies equally to children as it does to adults.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, coercion is Is causing someone to Do something or not do something against their will, roughly speaking. That's a way of putting it. I mean, there is more to it than that. I think that we can look at more subtle issues than that. But basically, you're talking about imposing your will on someone else against their will. So that's what I would say for coercion.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In case your question is sort of suggesting that I'm saying. leave a baby to its own devices that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is Coercion versus not coercion. I'm not saying that we don't assist our children. Of course we do. And we do know more than a baby. So, the question is what do we do with this greater knowledge? Do we think that it justifies coercing the child or not? When you're coercing, that is, you're basically saying might makes right and it doesn't.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, that's false. In the relevant sense, children of whatever age are the same because we have creativity and rationality. If you're talking about a baby who's just been born and knows nothing except genetic knowledge, like an animal has genetic knowledge, but basically that's all they have. But that child, by the time the child is two years old or so, the child will be speaking and doing many other things that a chimp or any other animal will never be doing. And that's because of this creativity and rationality. You know, something has happened in those two years. And it's that the child has been forming inexplicit conjectures about what words mean, about what we call different things, and about a huge number of other things. It's not just language, obviously. Whereas a chimp or whatever animal is doing none of those things.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Doesn't make any sense. I think that there will come a time in the future when people will look back at how we view children now and they will be as horrified by that as how it seems to us when we look back at the arguments that people made in the past about black people and women.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is the same circular argument that was used in the past about women and black people. Well, their skin is black, so obviously they're not the same as the rest of us. Well, they're women. So obviously there's an actual difference there. They're not men. They're not white men. It's the same circular argument.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Rationality and creativity being turned on at some later stage. And so There from the beginning, you know, how does a child learn language? A baby learn language if they're not creative and rational. So, taking seriously, you could say is non coercive educational theory. About raising children In a way that doesn't involve coercion.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Are people, this is the standard view, but they're not quite able to control their own lives. They need a benevolent, patriarchal parent, husband, slave master to just make sure that nothing goes wrong for them. And of course, it's not that parents are trying to be dictators over their children. It's just that is the view that really the whole world has about children, that they are not quite the same as the rest of us. They're not quite rational and creative. And so we need to manage and control them to make sure that they turn out to be citizens who can be responsible for themselves. So, I think instead that children are creative and rational. And they're creative and rational from birth. We're born with human minds, not just animal minds, but we have this human mind as well. And it just doesn't make sense to think in terms of.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, taking children seriously is an educational philosophy that takes seriously the idea that human beings are fallible. That includes parents. So instead of interacting with our children coercively, We Trying to Create consent with them. We're trying to find solutions to problems that don't involve coercion because coercion decides issues under an irrational institution. It embodies the theory that might makes right, which is false. We don't do that. It's actually a new view of children in that. The standard view of children is a bit like the view of women before they were emancipated or say black people when they were slaves in America. It's not that they're not people.”
2021-06-04 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Sarah Fitz-Claridge - Taking Children Seriously · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source