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Sarah Kerruish

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“Yeah, I think you alluded to this question earlier, but I mean, documentaries is changing prior to the world of Netflix, it was very hard to watch documentaries. Only a few would make a theatrical release. Otherwise, you'd have to go down to your local blockbuster.”
2018-07-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'General Magic' directors Sarah Kerruish and Matt Maude · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Part of what we want to do is make sure what I want to see is I want to show it at inner city schools, I want to show it to kids, and I want to show it in universities. So that's one track. And then, you know, we hope the right distributor will pick it up and then it'll get seen by people. Because ultimately, it's not a film about tech. It's about a film about people who have a dream to change the world and what it takes to do it. It's the best part of Silicon Valley. It really is in a lot of ways. And then would you go to Netflix or what happens? Netflix would be great. Okay. HBO would be great. And somewhere where people will see it. Yeah.”
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“And that felt amazing. Yeah, they're all still close, except let's hope more people watch it than the actual Sony Magic. Oh, yeah, 3,000 people. Yeah, okay. So where's it going to be? You've been at all these film festivals, you're premiering it here in Silicon Valley. Where does it go? Yeah, so we had a world premiere at Tribeca, which was great, one of the top 10 films, according to Timeout. Thank you, Timeout. That was wonderful. And now really we're trying to decide what to do with it.”
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“I think for me, I think it's not enough to love the thing you're making. You have to love the people you're making it with. And when you're making a film, like for me, it's been three years and making the film. There's always going to be struggles in creating something. But when you're doing it with people that you have their back, they have yours. It's an absolute joy. And there's a lot of parallels between General Magic the Company and General Magic the Film. And one thing that is ever present in the footage is just this incredible companionship and friendship of doing something wildly ambitious with their tribe of people. And that felt amazing.”
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“It was funny. Although that's good though, because it caused them to cause Steve to be angry to do, created better things which you don't realize at the time. You need some sort of. Not villain, I wouldn't call him a villain, but you know, you need some antagonist that the hero has to overcome. What lessons did you learn from the film?”
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“Mix of shooting, but It was also a joy. I have to say, it was a total joy. So many interesting moments, the interview with John Scullia was a revelation. There were just so many moments that it was a fabulous, fabulous journey to go on. Yeah, John Skelly, this guy who always went left when he should have gone right, right? But he owned it when we educated him. He really owned it. But he did. And so many people don't. And I think actually that's my lesson from the film is that the people who really own their mistakes and their failures experience some form of redemption. Yeah, I like John personally, but man, did he make some bad choices in his life?”
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“It's always hard. It takes it hard. It I think every film requires the same amount of people hours when you're making a fiction film you're doing with 400 people and so you condense all that time into eight weeks of shooting but when you're making your documentary you just you're doing it with 10 other people and yeah it just takes a lot lot longer it was”
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“We viewed it as like a narrative film. We wrote it as a script and then we have no, so we don't follow the conventions of a documentary film in the sense that we don't have a narrator. We just build those scenes. We build those archival scenes that tell the story. And then we have our Greek chorus, which is you and John Markoff and Paul Sappho. And I think for me, that's such an important element in the film. It's giving us that perspective of. Know what this story means, right? But when you're making a documentary now, what's that like? It's always hard. It's like it's hard. It takes years longer than you think. I think every...”
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“And very few people really had video cameras. Bill Atkinson had bought one back from Japan, and he was filming. So that was this incredible insight of you. So we had this, we knew what the story. We knew the story that we wanted to tell, but to actually find the footage that supported the story, that was incredible. And as storytellers, how has that changed for you all? You're doing a documentary, which is an old traditional kind of trope, right? How do you think about this in this age?”
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“Candy's not that busy now, but go ahead. Well, the footage was the joy. I mean, it was. We had two, we had the original footage that I'd help shoot in 1993. You were doing that for what reason? Because Market pulled in this crew led by David Hoffman to make a film about something that he'd imagined because it wasn't real yet. So how could we help communicate this vision of the future? And so that's why I started General Magic. We had that cache. And then there was two other instances when we found enormous stockpiles of footage, one in Hawaii 600 tapes in Hawaii, and another one which was a smaller sort of collection of footage, but so important. And in fact, we'd almost edited the film at the point we got the second stash of footage. And that was like Christmas. And I still dream about getting footage. I still dream about finding boxes of footage. And it's so joyous. Nobody had phones. Nobody was taking pictures constantly. No. So to have this footage is one of the, I think one of the best things about nobody had phones.”
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“Time to be asking them. So, two more questions for you again. Where do you? I want to end on where you think that inspiration came from from these people, but I want to talk, you had a lot of archival footage. Where did you get all that stuff? Didn't you get that you wanted for this film? Did you get everybody? No, we didn't get everybody. Andy Rubin, we didn't get Pierre Omaja. We didn't get. Didn't they talk here? Had Pierre, I tried. Timing. I think it was just, they're busy, people. Oh, please.”
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“Which I think I don't like that choice. That's not So, when I first started working on the film that was over three years ago, and it felt like where we were going kind of politically was in a much more positive direction to where it is now, you know, like Brexit has occurred, Trump has occurred, nationalism seems to be something that is going Rife everywhere. You know, in terms of wanting to be engaged with films that kind of tackle those issues and asks those more difficult questions, yeah, it feels like the time to be asking them.”
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“Of innovators Sure, absolutely. 100%. But I'm talking about where is the innovation? You're talking about healthcare that it's really happening and that there, but then even attached to those, there's worrisome issues around privacy, around all kinds of things that we're giving too much of ourselves to the technology, which I think I think the real worry is that where does humanity end and technology. Again, and things like that. And when you look at disturbing in the interview I did with Mark last week, he was saying, well, If I don't thrive, you're going to deal with China and they're not as good. And I don't think the choice is Xi or him. I don't like that choice. That's not a particularly good choice. But it's true. You have a country that's a surveillance economy, essentially, with values that are not ones that you think about openness, although very good at innovation and very good.”
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“I'm not a technologist at all. So for me, kind of stepping into this world and discovering as much as I have, it gives me a massive amount of hope for where we're going. There is a lot of fear and there's a lot of uncertainty that is surrounding us everywhere. But when I consistently look towards technologists and innovators within technology, it's the one thing that gives me hope because there are problems that people are finding solutions to and there's problems that I'm not even aware of that people are finding solutions towards as well. So, you know, I think in terms of what is the next cycle of innovation, I'm not sure if it's known now, but I think it's being worked on and it's maybe just being worked on in a different basement or in a different garage. They might not be here yet.”
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“Well, for me personally, Where I see it And the most meaningful ways are in the digital space. You know, I'm working at a company now, Chiron, that is using AI to read mammograms. State of the art performance, and really, you know, it's going to change the work that we're doing and others are doing is going to change cancer diagnosis, for example. I mean, then you look at the work that's being done in immunotherapy and cancer treatments. I mean, I think that's where I get most excited. And then the sort of the green tech space is super interesting. The ed tech space, I think there's so much happening.”
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“I think that's true, but I also think that really the big lesson is the lesson that came from Steve, which is the lesson about that, you know, that these people don't do things for money. I'm sure that they like making the money. I'm sure that's not a horrible thing to do, but at least everybody I know in this context was driven by a vision and an idea. And that very much came from Steve. And he heard it talks about that. And I think it's that passion to create and make change that drives. Where is that now?”
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“But a codex, yeah, that's a good analogy. Yeah, it's really kind of interesting when you look at those drawings. And even when you look at the device itself, it's sort of every idea is there. And it hadn't been there, by the way. It hadn't before that. I was there. There were street ideas. Apple had a street.”
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“Talk about that, sir. Yeah, I think that I would also like to say that the mentor. The story of the Master and the Apprentice is also a big part of the film and a very big part of the valley, and seeing that Handing his lessons to his disciples, and then those lessons being passed down. I think that's a really important tradition in the valley that continues. And you see that today with all the magicians, Megan and Tony and just that desire to pass the knowledge on use these lessons to solve some of the really big problems. You talk about this beautifully in the film. And I think it's the most important message in the film, which is how do we take this lessons in bringing big ideas to life and apply them to the problems we really need to solve? And also kill off ideas because there's”
2018-07-30 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: 'General Magic' directors Sarah Kerruish and Matt Maude · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We spoke with a Stanford professor called Fred Turner, and he made this incredible observation that engineers don't work for one company. They work for the valley. And that if one company fails, they take all the ideas of that failure and then just iterate it at a new company. And I really liked that idea that the huge microcosm that is Silicon Valley, the lessons are just being passed on between different companies. And I think that General Magic is a really good example of that, that you can learn from a mistake somewhere else, but be able to make it a success in another company or in your own venture. And I think that's supernova metaphor. The Redwoods that you're talking about, you see that iterating everywhere across the valley, but you also see iterating in nature. And when we were making the film, we also looked for these kind of examples in nature that would be able to kind of break. So that we could kind of put some cinematic footage into it and, you know, looking for those kind of things.”
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“Yeah, I think Mark went through a long phase of wilderness and came out the other side. I mean, I actually think one of my favorite parts of the film is when John Scully says, you know, where was Mark's second act? Because he really was the person who saw the future and all the products he so meticulously designed in his books really are reality today. But he's done some interesting things in terms of... Sustainable building materials. He's very interested in things green. He's very interested in, he's very active right now against Trump.”
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“But we also, it's Amy Lindbergh, who worked at General Magic, who's now at Docker. She talks about General Magic being a supernova. It's the star that exploded that created so much what we use today. There is a real happy ending to this film, but it's only from the people that have taken a long hard look at themselves.”
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“Back up essentially. Yeah, I mean, it is all gone. You know, one of the things that I think is one of the reasons I wanted to make the film is I'm really interested in failure, having experienced sort of a very personal catastrophic failure of a startup I was involved in. I was really interested in the idea of, first of all, the role of that in the journey, the sort of the startup journey, but also in what it takes to bring big ideas to life. And I think we didn't want to make a film that was in any way glorified failure. It is so painful and it wrecks people's lives. And so I think that's an important note for me, that this is really one of the reasons we wanted to make the film.”
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“Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I want to get to what impact it has in the next section, but when you think about, so it goes bankrupt and everybody scatters to the winds, essentially, and goes to different places. They all go and do the great things they're going to do. So Nathan Milro buys the IP And that's that. It's like a typical Silicon Valley. Crack up essentially”
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“Cloud. Yeah, yeah, they had a concept. I remember interchange only because the Washington Post was going to invest either in interchange or AOL, and I kept urging them to invest in AOL at the time. They would have made billions. They would have had money for the rest of their lives, essentially. But it was really, they're like, no, you can't bet against AT&T. I'm like, yeah, you can.”
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“And you made that kind of cold hearted person or cold hearted people to come in and say, it doesn't matter where the loyalty of, say, an AT&T and creating a proprietary internet. If the World Wide Web's come out, you have to cut that part.”
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“Not understanding the product and the climate and the time and not being willing to question the orthodoxy. You know, you have to believe so passionately when you're trying to do those kinds of things. But at the same time, you need to be able to retain the ability to take a hard cold look.”
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“And that was the end. I do think it's important to note, though, that I think we haven't talked about this, but I think it's really important. And I think the magicians would admit this, that hubris played an element in it. I think you have to have this certain incredible faith in your abilities to pull off miraculous things and walk through walls when you're trying to do something that's technologically hard as they were. And at the same time, there was a certain hubris, you know, where they weren't willing to look outside of their world and their bubble. I think that really was instrumental in their failure.”
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“Became the iPod, and you know, all these different little iterations of people started to kind of spawn out. You know, I think for Kevin, Dreamweaver, in terms of being able to kind of have something that could be built by the consumer, that was what he tried to do at General Magic, that he would create all of this developer access. And then he took that and put it into Adobe, into the creative world. So, you know, you could just see different parts of the vision all kind of populating in different places with different magicians. And now you look at it and the entire vision has been achieved. Right. It's almost their combined way of doing it.”
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“There was a time in which they were to kind of look at the mistakes that have been made, both as a company as well as themselves, but still taking the ideas of general magic, the original vision that we would carry around a device in our pocket. And each of those magicians took that kind of vision and put it into their own domain. To their next. Yeah. And so for, say, Tony Fidal, which is the idea of being able to kind of carry something in your pocket that could put a thousand songs and so that you could carry around with everywhere, you know.”
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“So for us, it's the beginning of the Act three of the film in which there's a period of mourning where it's as palpable as grief. And for some people at General Magic, that's a grief that they never recovered from. But for the younger generation of magicians, the people that had come to the company because they wanted to work with people like Andy and Joanna and Bill.”
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“I think when you work that hard and that intensely on something and they worked harder than anyone I've ever seen, I mean, years and years. I mean, people pull on night as a tech company, so that's not unusual. But this was years of it. And people really gave up a huge part of their lives to do this. And I think at the end of the day, Tony, as I said, came in with a, you know, said, look, this is how I think we can make a product that we'll sell. And I think, you know, Andy said, I think there was a famous meeting actually where Andy said, we're just too tired and we can't pivot. We can't make that shift.”
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“I think as Matt said, they were too early and they just couldn't ship a product that people wanted in any meaningful volume. And I think fundamentally they lost heart. I think they really did lose heart about that.”
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“Because they didn't have a product. They didn't. They just at that point, they were just sort of in really early development phase. So, yeah, it was an audacious, bold move. And it initially paid off. I mean, it was a spectacular.”
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“Because these board of directors were the CEOs of these alliance partners. So you've got Sony's president, you've got ATT's president all sitting on the board of General Magic, all dictating to General Magic what they should be doing, what they shouldn't be doing. And they made the realization that they needed to go public to cut the ties of this really powerful board. And that's what it was. It was the first concept IPO”
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“They needed independence. So they created this sort of monolithic entity with all these different partners who were arguing. I mean, they were just natural, many of them were natural enemies. So it just became, it was just too cumbersome. It didn't work well.”
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“It's the unknown. I mean, Apple only owned a small percentage of General Magic, whereas with the Newton, they owned it in its entirety. But Apple could see across the board what General Magic was doing. So yeah, I think it was really hard for some of the engineers, you know, for people like Andy Hertzfeld, whose friends, people that he'd worked with on the Macintosh, were working on the Newton project. And I think that was really hard for people like Andy and Bill to see people like Steve Capps working on their sort of direct competitor. And just to be completely surrounded in secrecy. So it was a really hard time. I think it created a sort of kind of bunker mentality across general magic to really sort of put the heads down and kind of fight for their lives.”
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“Yet it was an apple product and it was a little messaging product. And I know I remember actually because I was at General Magic at the time was the intense pressure that was caused by the fact that Newton shipped early and the fact that people were so upset that it shipped.”
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“A failure. And then the third thing is what killed them both, which is the World Wide Web. If you're trying to create a proprietary form of the internet in which you pay to use it, and then another thing comes out that is free to use, you're on the losing side of an argument. And that decimated everything. And it wasn't just general magic that made that mistake. It wasn't just the Newton, you know, Bill Gates was also trying to create, you know, the own proprietary form of it. Everybody knew it was kind of.”
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“And then there was also the external pressures in which John Scully, who was almost the father of general magic in terms of spinning it out of Apple and portrayed General Magic by taking some of the product thoughts, some of the marketing plan and releasing the Newton, which was a direct competitor to the general magic device.”
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“We kind of talk about this as being sort of like three things that kind of went wrong. I think one of it is that when you're sort of trying to achieve affection, you can't do it all at once. I think if General Magic had potentially iterated in the way that the iPod did, that they released the different iteration of the iPod every single year and just encapsulated new features. And that six, seven years later, that iPod became the iPhone. General Magic could have quite easily have done that rather than just trying to put five years of work just into one device.”
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“In terms of things they created, you know, as you said, USB touchscreen emojis, the list goes on and on and on. But I think it was interesting, I think it was Nathan Meavold who ended up buying the IP from General Magic, an extraordinary catalog of IP, which is still, I mean, people still talk about it to this day”
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“With ideas and stuff like that. And they did. I mean, I think it's important to note that they made huge breakthroughs, you know, whether it's the USB or the software modem or the touchscreen or emojis. I mean, there are literally hundreds of innovations that were developed. We're going to talk about this.”
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“If you imagine Netherlands, and there's all these lost boys, they're all just And girls, but you know, like, sorry, you know, finding themselves for the first time. But there is no parents around. It was just the most incredible chaos. And they're all just running and bouncing off each other to make.”
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“Andy Rubin Android, the creator of the Android. Ruben was an amazing character. He used to keep his Ferrari in my garage and he was always doing these crazy things like representing himself as the chief communications minister of the Grand Caymans. And just there was always these massive, crazy pranks involving.”
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“Well, Tony then went to Phillips and actually, I think one of the most poignant parts of the film is when Tony had a vision for where the product could go. And in fact, he went on to make that at Phillips, which was a critical success, but a commercial failure. And then ended up with Steve Jobs calling him and saying, you know, I think it's time to do something. Tony always loved music. We should do something small that lives in your pocket, that plays your hundred songs. And so Tony became co-inventor of the iPod and then the iPod. And then the iPhone. And then, of course, went on to found Nest and now future shapes. So, you know, to me, he represents sort of somebody who really took the lessons.”
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“All right, Tony Fidel? Yeah, I mean, Tony Fidel, I mean, he slept on the doorstep outside of General Magic. He would not burge until someone gave an interview. He was from Michigan. He was from, you know, like he was in the sticks in comparison to everybody else. But once he got the job, he packed up his parents' car, put all his belongings there, and then he didn't move out of Mountain View for about a year and a half. He just worked solidly because he was just blown away to be working with his heroes. I mean, it's a who's who. I mean, for me.”
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“Yes, he's the seventh biggest GDP in the world or something. But I mean, Chris McCaskell took him to an investor conference. And Pierre, this was at the time when he had a ponytail down to his waist. People were not taking him seriously. They left and said to Chris Mack, like, don't do that to me ever again. And lo and behold, it became eBay.”
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“Well, Mike did it twice, once for General Magic's sake, and then MPS said, Well, would you like to invest? And he said, I don't think you heard me. You should not be trusting people on the internet. Like, get out of here. I mean, you know, Chris McCaskill.”
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“Yeah, Pierre is a particularly great story. So the story of Pierre is this guy who was a developer relations guy and we would walk past his desk and there would be a big pile of what looked like checks or paper or envelopes on his desk and say, hey Pierre, what is that on your desk? And he said, well, I got this little idea about connecting people on the internet via an auction. And everyone was like, that's odd. And in fact, he actually went to the general counsel and said, hey, Mike, I'm thinking about doing this auction thing. I'm thinking about spinning it out. Do you want to be involved? And Mike said, that's the worst idea I've ever heard of.”
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“The small part of it. Same thing with the Blackberry, the communications part. Each one of them was successful took a small part of it and moved it forward. So talk about the people that were there. So it was not just Andy Hurstfeld and Joanna Hoffman, but everybody.”
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