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Sasan Goodarzi

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  1. You've lobbied Well, I am into it, right? And so it's okay to put me into it in the same verse. We have very much focused on simplifying taxes. That's what we lobbied for. Simplified the tax code. That's simply what we've lobbied for.

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. Wait, the simplest version of taxes is the government just sends you a return and it's done. Yeah. And Intuit has lobbied against that. Would I, would you support the government just doing the taxes for people?

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  3. Fundamentally, that's a wrong premise, and it's not accurate. In our lobbying, we spend a couple of million dollars fighting for simplified taxes. We don't lobby against free. And by the way, free is available to all Americans now, which is, you know, if you choose to do your taxes for free, if every American chooses to do their taxes for V, it's available today through private industry. We have heavily been focused on making taxes simpler. Just the tens of millions of lines of tax code makes it very difficult for a customer to understand taxes, much less companies like us that are trying to create.

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  4. We don't do that here at the Verge. As many of our listeners and readers know, we have a very explicit and very strict ethics policy. We'll link to it in the show notes. The most important thing here is that we never allow anyone to preview or approve our interview questions, and we certainly do not allow anyone to review or alter the work that we publish. I told this to Rick, and he came back and asked that we quote, delete that which takes away from the conversation, which he defined as raised voices, or us speaking over each other. So, quote, listeners can understand your question and the answer Sassan gave. I got to be honest with you, that is one of the weirdest requests I've ever gotten. So here's what we're going to do in the spirit of fairness. We're going to run that whole part of the interview first, unedited, so you all can tell me. It's about five minutes long, and you can decide for yourself. Then we'll come out of it, and we'll run the rest of the interview, which, like I said, is an otherwise fascinating episode of Decoder. Okay, so here I am talking about taxes with Sasangi.

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  5. And after the agency won an appeal early this year, Into it was ordered to stop doing it. So I asked about taxes, and Sassan disagreed with me, and we went back and forth for a few minutes on it. It's Dakota. We have exchanges like this on the show all the time, and in the moment I didn't think anything of it. But then I got a note from Rick Heinemann, the chief communications officer intuit, who called that line of questioning, and my tone, inappropriate, egregious, and disappointing, and demanded that we delete that entire section of the recording. I mean, literally, he wrote a long email that ended with, quote, at the very least the end portion of your interview should be deleted.

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  6. Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Papatel, editor in chief of the Verge. And Decoder is my show about Big Ideas and Other Problems. Today's episode It's a Ride. I'm talking into its CEO Sassan Gaddarzi, who's built into it into a juggernaut business software company through a series of major acquisitions. You're probably familiar with QuickIn and QuickBooks, which are incredibly well known as personal finance and small business accounting software, but nearly everything else, TurboTax, MailChimp, Credit Karma, loads more, or acquisitions of some kind along the way. That leads to a lot of challenging structure questions that Sasan and I really got into integrating all of those companies and their different approaches to software requires big decisions, and Intuit made a big decision of handling it all by betting on interoperability that I found fascinating. So far, that sounds like normal decoder stuff, right? Here's where it got weird. I couldn't have the CEO of Intuit on the show without asking about tax reform in the United States. Individual income taxes are more complicated in the U.S. than in almost any other development.

    2024-10-21 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Intuit asked us to delete part of this Decoder episode · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT