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  1. Now just like I left a dramatic pause after that, but I forgot we're doing a podcast and everybody went to check their equipment. Sorry about that. But that had a huge impact on me. So it turns out our family doctor was a trained hypnotist and he handled the birth and he just offered her that option. Now let me be quick to point out that there's sort of a rule of one in five in hypnosis and that is that one in five people are able to go into a state that is that extreme. In other words, somebody who could simply block pain or somebody who could see something that wasn't really in the room. Now keep in mind that in all these cases these people are completely aware and awake and they can stop the sensation any way they want, anytime they want, but if you're given birth, you're not going to be going out of your way to stop the sensation of stopping pain, right? So it's not, nobody's controlling you. It's more like a

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  2. So that was the most accidentally perfect question anybody ever asked. So let me start at the beginning. My mother delivered, gave birth to my little sister while under hypnosis and did not use any painkillers. She did not feel pain and she was awake the whole time.

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  3. That's amazing. Oh, the foot You know, I've never heard that explanation of Judo, which instantly makes me interested in it, and I had no interest in it whatsoever before. So nicely done.

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  4. The way any relationship is, right? Just a normal way to any two people act when they're together. So all you're doing is setting up a thing where you're pacing, and then that sets them up for the leading. Because the leading in this case is something so outrageously unexpected that without the leading, I could never take them to the new place.

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  5. So this is a technique in hypnosis. You would call it pacing and leading in persuasion. You'd have other names for it. But the idea is I'm you, so I would match you in some way if you were doing a standard induction the way you would match somebody would be matching their breathing, matching their level of maybe anxiety or the way they talk. You might try to pick the same language type they use. If somebody uses angry words and war words, you'd start out using them. That's pacing. So you're matching them so they feel comfortable with you. They bond with you. They link to you. Your brain's kind of become like psychologically linked. If one person pulls one feels a tug

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  6. Oh, okay. So, right. The method I used was whenever the world's smartest person said something that I knew everyone reading it would think, oh, God, there's 10 obvious reasons why that's stupid. I would just have the person say, I think there's 10 obvious reasons why that's stupid. Now I'm paraphrasing myself. But in other words, I make my characters say the thing you just thought. So that's a little different than traditional fiction where I'm making the character lead you all the way

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  7. So I need to continually put you in the place of one of the characters. You can't be in the place of the smartest person in the world, because by definition, you just can't get there, right? But you can be in the place of the person who's listening to it and not buying it. There's no way you can buy it in its unfinished form, right? It's like somebody's, it's sort of like, what's the game that you doodle and people try to guess you're doodle? So you need a certain amount of clues before anybody's going to get it, right? Nobody gets it on the first line. So that was the experience I was going for is that I completely lost my train of thought thinking about pictionary because...

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  8. Yeah, so first of all, the way I use hypnosis is too broadly for the public. Most people are thinking of stage hypnotist and somebody saw in a movie where somebody was programmed to kill the president or something. I'm not talking about any of that stuff or anything that involves a trance. I'm talking about the science of persuasion, stuff that's science tested, and things that are pretty well known and understood. So I'll give you one example just to illustrate it. My challenge when I have a book that most of it is two people talking is that you will get bored.

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  9. And I thought, is there any way to package that? Is there a way to write that down so somebody could get that feeling I had in the shower when I took things from left field, right field and married orange with a number 12 and explain to you why it's all really the same thing? Could I make somebody have that experience? So that's what I tried to do with the book. And I use through Edit a lot of techniques that I learned in hypnosis classes to strengthen the impact. And in the forward, I give the reader plenty of clues that this is a thought experiment. It's not a typical novel. It's not a story like they're used to.

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  10. Yeah, for the readers not, or the listeners not familiar with God's debris, that's a non-humor, non-Dilbert book I wrote 2001, I think. And it's essentially a conversation between a delivery man and the smartest person in the world that he meets by accident, he thinks. And the challenge of the book was to write in the voice of someone who is allegedly the smartest person in the world, someone who literally knows everything. Now the problem is, since I don't know everything,

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  11. Yeah, and maybe just maybe I've got three siblings who were raised in an identical situations that we all turned out completely different. You just say that to anybody and watch them get the dough in the headlights look like, okay, you just change everything I know about life. Now erase that.

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  12. So in other words, the causation is exactly backwards from how it looks. I'm already that person who's going to make this happen, and I'm also, by coincidence, a person who's so intent on it that I'll try anything. And one of those things just happens to be right and stuff down 15 times.

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  13. But I'm doing the affirmations, doing the affirmations. So what I'm suggesting is it's not the affirmations that are making something happen. This thing is going to happen because my subconscious already decided that I have these objectives, I have these goals, and I'm going to chew through a freaking wall to make these happen, right? And I have some capabilities, so I can chew. You know, I'm a good chewer. So maybe all this happening is that a person like me who has a subconscious that's guiding him towards this very specific outcome is also the same person who's willing to write it down 15 times.

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  14. The environment is programming us and we've got a little DNA that's like our operating system, but basically you start with that and it can't vary a lot, right? Your DNA is a little bit of a window of how much your nature can change, but that's like a computer, right? And then the environment programs it within its parameters. So you got that going on. a person who's getting programmed by their environment, but they don't know that, right? They think they're making decisions and using their free will. So it could be that all that's happening is that a person who is willing to write down their goal 15 times a day has in their disposal without necessarily knowing it, a subconscious that is totally on their side. In other words, there's something in the subconscious that is overriding the conscious and saying, you know, Scott, we're going to do this thing. You haven't figured it out yet.

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  15. I say absolutely that's completely possible. But I just told you my story and I can tell you that I don't have a memory in all of those years of trying it when it didn't work. I do have plenty of memories of when it hadn't worked yet. Like I said, the voice problem took a years. And I suppose if I were doing one in particular right now that I could say it hadn't happened yet. So there's that. But there's also just the fact that it may be a self-identification thing. And what I mean by that is I have a view that we're mostly moist robots in the sense that

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  16. other things that would have sent me on a different path but also toward this thing I'd been focusing on right now the other possibility every rational person in the audience is screaming you know at their at their speaker right now you idiot this is selective memory what's really happening is there are lots of times that you are focusing on things and doing affirmations you just you just freaking forgot those times it's a survivor

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  17. So now let me give you an anecdote to tie that together. During the time, I was telling myself I wanted to be a cartoonist, how do you do that? This was pre-internet. I didn't know where to search for it. I didn't know anybody. I came home and I noticed something I'd never seen before. Maybe it had always been there. I don't know. But I noticed a show, a TV show about how to become a cartoonist. And I wrote to the host of the show and asked him for some advice. He gave it to me short story even shorter that set me on the road to know how to buy the book that I needed and submit my materials and that sort of thing. Now you could say, well, that was just a coincidence because maybe that show only aired once and I think it was on public TV so it actually probably aired lots of times. But there might have been other things I would have noticed. It wasn't just that one thing I could have noticed. I might have noticed.

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  18. Memory and repetition trick until it widens a little bit to allow some extra stuff in. Now there's some science to back that. Dr. Richard Wiseman did some studies on luck. And he was trying to find out if people actually have real luck. Can they guess the future better than other people? And the answer, as you might guess, and I'm sure the people listening to this podcast are all You're going to find a little bit more and more often than the guy who says it was nothing to look for. I already know everything's going to go wrong. I'll tell you tomorrow. Tomorrow is going to be me going wrong. Bad day Eeyore. So that guy's just not looking for anything.

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  19. So it's basically the idea that it's easy to hear your own name spoken in a crowd. So you'll hear background noise. Tim Ferris. And you're like, how did I hear that one thing and this whole bunch of crowd noise? So basically your brain is incapable of processing everything in its environment or even coming close. So the best it can do is set up these little filters and the way it sets its filters is by what you pay attention to. It's what you spend the most energy on. It's how you focus your memory. That's how you set your filter. So your filter is automatically set for your name because that's just the thing that matters most to you. But you can use these affirmations presumably. This is just a hypothesis to focus your mind and your memory on a very specific thing. And that would allow you to notice things in your environment that might have already been there. It's just that your filter was set to ignore and then you just tune it through this memory.

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  20. Me all the time. Do you save the piece of paper? No. You don't save the paper. The paper is irrelevant. If you type it, I'm positive. You'll get the same result. I don't know if this works. I mean, again, I'm not telling you that affirmations is a thing that actually happens as opposed to a perception that you have, but I'm sure the perception at least would be the same if you were typing it as opposed to writing it. So I think all of the details don't matter. Here's why I think it seems to work. And there's several possibilities for that. One is something I learned long ago, and I forget who coined it, but if you ever heard the phrase reticular activation.

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  21. How do I personally explain it? Exactly. Yeah. I will start by saying, well, I'll tell you exactly how I did it, but then I'll also tell you that I'm positive, the exact method doesn't matter. I think what matters is the degree of focus and the commitment you have to that focus, right? Because the last affirmation I mentioned was primarily done in my head while driving, but continuously for years, about three years. So the way I did it back in those times was I used a pencil or a pen and a piece of paper and I wrote the same sentence 15 times once a day, I think. I mean, there would be nothing wrong with doing it twice a day except it's twice as hard. So I don't think there's a reason that you should do it twice a day. I don't know if 15 is magic. I'm sure 10 would get you there. 20 might be better, but I doubt it. I don't think it matters. And by the way, these are the questions everybody asks.

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  22. Yeah, and we'll talk about that later, I think. But that was the next time I used affirmations. And the affirmation was, I, Scott Adams, will speak perfectly. Now, I realize I don't speak perfectly, but when we get to that story, you'll see that there's more to it.

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  23. The two other affirmations that are notable was I said that I would become a number one bestselling author before I'd ever written a book and I'd never taken a class in writing except I think a two-day course in business writing. That was it. And the Dilbert principle became the number one best-selling book. The next time I used it, because after that, pretty much everything I wanted I got, you know, right? Because with success, you don't need the affirmation so much because just everything starts being attracted to you automatically. But there was a period, and I know you're going to ask about this later where I lost my voice. Couldn't speak for three and a half years

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  24. Cartoonists. I think about 2,000 people submit packages to the big syndicates, the people who give you the big contract, your big break. They might pick a half dozen of them, of those half dozen. Most of them will not make it after a year or two. So it's very rare. In fact, Gilbert was probably one of the, I think the biggest breakout or one of the biggest in 20 years.

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  25. I literally sat there in my little mold covered, literally, apartment in San Francisco in the Haight District. I sat in a chair and I stared forward for hours. And all night long, I would say to myself, I don't think I just saw that. And then I would reach over to my table and pick up the little report, and I would look at it again, and I would make sure I was scouring the document and not reading like a date or a serial number or something, right? And it was right. And I'd put it down and then I would just repeat that process for hours. And at the end of it, I said, I think I'm going to set my sights higher. And it wasn't long after I decided to start the affirmation I Scott Adams would become a famous cartoonist. So there were some years that passed in between and then some other affirmations. But that's essentially the path I took. So the odds of becoming a famous...

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  26. range then I'm probably going to get into a good school if I want to so we take the test my every one of my practice tests I got about the same as the first time I took it somewhere in the high 70s percentile I take the test felt exactly the same as all the practice tests I didn't feel like I was having a good day or anything weeks passed the test shows up in the mail I go to the mailbox I open the mail and I open that letter and it's the same same kind of format that I'd visualized so I knew exactly what it looked like and I looked down into the little box where for weeks I had been visualizing the number 94 and I looked at it and the fucking thing said 94

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  27. So I made a bet, and I don't know why I made this bet. It was just stupid and retrospect. I bet that I would raise my score from 77th percentile to whatever was her new best score. So I would beat not only her other score, which already beat me by over 10 points, I think. Or maybe she was in the high 80s, I think. But I thought I would beat her new score, and I wasn't going to take a test preparation course. I was just going to take some practice tests on my own at home. So I did that, but I paired it with the affirmation. And then I also visualized, which is part of the process they tell you to do, very specifically what my score would look like on the exact document I knew I would get because I had taken this test before years earlier. And so I would imagine that in that little box where the cumulative score was, I would see the number 94. And so I just kept focusing on 94 because I figured that would be close enough that if I got anywhere in that.

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  28. Besides, I'd taken them right after I'd finished my four-year degree and I'd got, I think, the 77th percentile, which is nowhere near enough to get into a school like Berkeley, which would make a difference in my career. So I made a bet with somebody who was going to take a prep course. They were going to try to raise their score from the 80s into something perhaps the 90s.

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  29. And now I've got these three data points, right? And the only thing that stopped me from the two doing very well for me is that I didn't stay with them. So I said, well, it would be dumb if this thing actually has something to it to set another goal that's relatively modest. Right. So there was another thing I did first. Let me insert that before I went big. I also made a bet with somebody that I would take the GMATS, the test you take to get it into a good school for your MBA

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  30. So I tried it one more time. I said, I think I'll try to buy one more stock. And I did the affirmations. And one day I pick up the newspaper and I just had this feeling. And I opened it up and there's a, back in the day when a company was going public, they would sometimes put a big notice in a newspaper. It was a company called Ask Computer ASK, or Ask Software, I forget. But there were a new tech company back before tech was anything. And I said, hey, I'm going to invest in this company. I just feel it. Put in some money. I think it went up, I don't know, 10% in a week, whatever it was. I thought, woo, I'm a genius. I think I invested about $1,000. Might have made $100, which was big money for a week of doing nothing when you're not making enough money to save money, making $100 for nothing seemed like a big deal. So I'm thinking, man, I am so smart. Sold my stock, and that freaking stock went to the moon after.

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  31. But the paperwork got mixed up and it took weeks to sort it out. I didn't get my account opened. And in the meantime, the stock starts rising. I think it went up to 10 or 20% in the time that I wasted trying to open my account. So I thought to myself, damn, I was kind of right. I picked a pretty good stock, but my timing's off. So I guess the affirmation thing wasn't really working. So I didn't buy that stock. If you go back, you'll find out it continued to go up because it turns out Chrysler did a turnaround. It was one of the great business success stories of all time. I knew nothing about that except the headline news before I came up with this idea. In other words, there was no story I read, no analyst was ahead of it. It just came from nowhere or so it seemed. But I lost out because I didn't trust it, I guess, right? I didn't buy and it became kind of the story stock of the year.

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  32. Most observers were saying, this is sort of the company that's circling the drain. So it didn't seem like a good idea, but I tried to open my Schwab account anyway and pursue it just to see. We're still in AB testing here to see if this is real.

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  33. Or maybe I'm a seven and a half, and maybe she's a nine, but she's got poor self-image, so she didn't know it. So maybe that's all that happened, right? So I said, well, I'm going to have to try something else. So I said, all right, I'll try an affirmation of I'll get rich in the stock market. Now, that's kind of a crazy thing to ask for, especially if you don't even have a stock brokerage account open and if you don't have any money to invest, I think I was a poor banking person, a banker that was. And so I started doing that affirmation. And after about a week, I literally woke up in the middle of the night, sat straight up in my bed with a thought firmly in my head that I should buy stock in Chrysler. Now time, I don't remember the year, but if you went through the historical records, it was when Chrysler was flirting with completely going out of business. I don't know if they're officially bankrupt, but the government had pumped them up.

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  34. Secondly, I didn't know her. She was just somebody who worked in the company in a different department. So I will shorten the story just to say lucky things happened. And against all odds, my affirmation came true. So I thought to myself, as everybody would in this situation, well, it's not really the affirmation that worked. That would be crazy, right? Because even though it was a whole bunch of ridiculous coincidences that put us in the same place at the same time, I mean, you wouldn't believe the number of them, and I won't tell them here because they're just too many. But in the end, it was almost like we were fated to meet. Now, I don't believe in that, but it just felt like that. That's the experience. So I said to myself, well, I guess I've misinterpreted this. And really what happened is I'm not a six and a half. Damn it, I must be her level.

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  35. That's good. And then secondly, it didn't cost me anything, right? It was a low investment for something to baker shut up. So I said, all right, I'm going to do this thing. So I picked as my goal that I would have an encounter with a woman who is well beyond my buying power, shall we say. This is pre-Dilbert, so post-Dilbert, you get to add a few points to your attractiveness scale. It's not fair, but that's just the way it works. So let's say if I could modestly say I was a six hoping to be a six and a half, let's say she was a nine, just so you get a sense of the monumental task I sat in front of myself.

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  36. To pop up. So I, of course, being my rational self, you know, at this point, I haven't even decided if hypnosis is a real thing, right? You know, I'm taking the course to find out in part. And so I'm saying, you know, that seems like a terrible waste of time. There's no science behind that, blah, blah, blah. She convinced me, partly because she was a member of Mensa, that she wasn't dumb.

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  37. All right, so I'm in my 20s. I was taking a course in hypnosis to learn how to become a professional hypnotist and get certified. In my class was a woman who was also interested in a lot of things that I thought were pretty out there, some new agey stuff. But we became friends and one day she said, you got to try this thing called affirmations. I read about it in a book and I don't remember the name of the book and so I can't tell you here because she couldn't tell me. And she said, it works like this. All you do is you pick a goal and you write it down 15 times a day in some specific sentence form like I Scott Adams will become an astronaut, for example. You do that every day and then it will seem as if the universe just starts spitting up opportunities and it will look to you like these are coincidences and whether they are or not is less relevant than the fact that they seem

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  38. You could give yourself a genuine feeling that you had a superpower, even if it wasn't real, as long as it didn't interfere with your job, nobody thought you were crazy, it'd be a cool feeling. So even if it's not real in some sense of reality, still worth having, frankly. So I'm going to take as long as I want for this, and you can just cut me off. It's a fun story from beginning to end. I like a lot. A lot of people ask this.

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  39. the most random thing any two people could have said to each other after now seeing for a while but that weird story is a story about coincidence right you know there's no magic that happened there it was just a strange coincidence and probably wasn't even a coincidence because the fact that we both know you and there's something in the air and maybe you bunch your bunch your interviews in a certain way or think about them a certain way so i'm sure there's no real coincidence there's just something we didn't see underlying it all so that's the backdrop for affirmations let me say first that what i'm saying is not my belief that if you say your affirmation is something magical will happen and the universe will change and some non-science way all right so i never made that claim although often

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  40. True story. Just a few days ago I was having dinner with Naval and I'm just making conversation, you know, hadn't seen him in a while. And just randomly, because I knew I was coming on your podcast, I said, Naval, have you ever done the Tim Ferris podcast and he gets this weird expression in his face and he says, I just came from there?

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  41. The way, I got to tell you the first time I saw one of my books translated into Portuguese, I think I had this strange sensation that I could speak the language because I knew what the word said It was the coolest thing.

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