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Shakira Martin

lines on the record: 47
first: 2018-05-25
most recent: 2018-05-25
sittings or episodes: 1
sources: podcast

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“To overcome to get there in the first place childcare, bedroom tax, these type of things. So for me, I think that this should be our poverty commission, mine and my members. It's a joint piece of work, I believe should be the foundation for all political parties of all stripes to start basing their policies around education. And if it's not going to eliminate that poverty premium, then what are you doing?”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I am so excited about Time NUS is doing some work that is actually touching students and changing life. So my flagship campaign this year was doing a poverty commission, looking into the financial baby years that working class people are facing in not only getting in and getting on in education. I am really proud we've had so much submissions from across the sector, from early years in between and at university level and we've come up with a list of great recommendations for the sector, for institutions and for government but the one that I want to bring to the attention mostly and this is something for all political parties to listen to because this is what is actually the reality what's going on is the poverty premium. Working class people people from disadvantaged backgrounds are already penalized before they even enter university because of the barriers that they have to and challenges they have.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't know how hard it was, and why should you have to be white straight and male for society to accept you before getting into activism, I was living in the world. I thought that it was just hard, the world was just hard to live in. I didn't make that connection me being a woman, me being black and the structural discrimination and racism happening in society, how that affected me. But me talking about eliminating racism, for me, I believe that we need allies. And if we push people away to make them feel like they... They're the enemy and there are awful white people like Donald Trump is a perfect example in my opinion. But for me, it's about how do we have allies and create that relationship. I can't hate you for being a white man. What I can hate is if you don't recognize your privilege of being a white man.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It just means take it as read, as said. It just needed to be said at that particular point. I believe that I am a champion for eliminating all forms of racism wherever and whenever it is manifested. That doesn't mean that I have to hate. Hate a group of people because of it. For me, I would rather have a conversation and try to make these people understand their privilege. I mean, all right, this is the best way I could say it. If I knew how hard life was when I was a sperm, I would have been like, make me white, straight and male.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I don't remember exactly word for word what it said, but it's like it seems like when you're black and you don't hate white people, it makes you unpopular. Look, there's bad people in every race, sexuality, gender, there's good people and bad people. If I hated every white person for what they'd done to my ancestors, I'd be exhausted, I'd be burnt out, and there are people, you know, there are good white people. Yeah, there are. And I'm not going to, you know, in the fight of talking about racism and making people recognize their privilege and stuff like that, I don't believe hating a white man would get me further than educating them on their privilege.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As a friend, doesn't mean I'm so glad someone picked it out because no one else said nothing. Look, at the end. Just remind”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I don't have any money to bet. Maybe if I get there, then I can give you the IOU. But right now, we don't like betting. But, I mean,”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm not going to give you all the secrets of what I want to do. I'm just starting my second year. I need to make it through the second year I make any plans”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, like, if I want to be an MP, I don't think I'll be able to do that independently. You're going to have to join somewhere. But what I understand that.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I'm always living and I'm always learning, and I'm that type of person that if I views change, I will happily say my views just change and I don't belong to anybody, property of nobody. Like, I don't belong to anyone. I just understand that I represent 7 million students who have different experiences, barriers, life experiences, and I want them to feel like their national union is for them.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just making sure Mean there's nothing wrong with clapping and being happy and jeering, but what we need to recognise is that there's people in the room that have a multiple different learning needs, other needs, and it's just about being considerate. And maybe if the society and the world was more considerate, we wouldn't have to have these policies because people would know that if there's someone sitting next to you with a hearing aid, you're not going to shout in their air because it could affect them. However, we can't just assume that disabilities are in a physical form. The person next to you that could be completely happy could have anxiety about it. It's just about respecting having a healthy environment where people can feel safe to contribute.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that the media is gassing things up and making a bigger issue out of something that is not when I go across the country as the president with a good mandate winning 11 elections, speaking to my students, freedom of speech isn't the main priority that's on their agenda. Also, may I say, NUS does not know platform individuals. We have six organizations on our no platform list, three of which has been prescribed by the government. So obviously we're leading the way. Again.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was not no platform. Somebody refused to share the platform with her. That is their choice. That's free speech, ain't it? No? Ain't that ain't that free speech? He wasn't no platform either. Someone just said they made their choice. I don't want to share a platform with him. Like I could have made a choice not to be here today”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, it doesn't mean that. Like, students' unions are autonomous, so they can make their own decisions about what they want to do. However, this is about making sure that people feel able to contribute and have healthy discussions, but also like NUS don't...”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, and you're entitled to your opinion. Our basis is coming from making sure people feel safe to be able to contribute, to be able to be in those spaces, to have conversations, respectable conversations.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like the word that you said gassed. Yeah, like when I go across the country, free speech ain't what my members are telling me is a priority to them. They're talking about mental health policy, sexual harassment policies, tackling racism. This is something for the government to distract society off of people not affording to live and eat in education.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, like the evidence is there, it's not just about getting in, it's about getting on in education. And I am absolutely fed up when I hate government focus on the number of disadvantaged students or working class students that's got into university, but yet not talking about them dropping out, why they're dropping out, them feeling unsafe on campus and maintenance grants, pound in a pocket, people choosing between heating and eating is a big part of that work.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, this is the most challenging that I felt in your whole interview. So I'll work with this. The evidence is there that, you know, Scotland is a prime example. They don't have tuition fees and they're still people that's dropping out. I think that there needs to be a huge focus on access, not only getting students. I'm sounding like a politician.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everything about you tells me you'd spend on maintenance. 100% that childcare fees are expensive. But again, I don't think it's about tit for tat versus one across the other. It's the whole experience. So it comes down to quality of teaching, what people value as value for money, what they expect. I know why you don't want it.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your expectations know everybody should have the right to accessible education system and it shouldn't be based on how much money you have in your pocket.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, for me, we believe in a free education system. However, I'm trying to take the conversation further on from that. So scrapping tuition feeds alone will not solve the problem. Maintenance grants or the lack of maintenance grants, we've had tons of evidence from the UCAS to my poverty commission that shows that the changes from maintenance grants to maintenance loans is having a huge impact on part-time, women, mature, black students, but it's also recognising about, you know, I get really frustrated when people say it's not a debt. When you have come from a working class family where your providence is knocking your door, you're having to go to payday lenders. This is a debt to have this burden over your head and it's a privilege to feel that it's okay if you don't earn over 25,000 you ain't going to pay it back. Why are we dumbing people down to feel like, all right, if you don't want to pay it back, just lower your...”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's about options. I just want her to know that the well-dessert oyster. And the reason why I've set university as the top is because that's what society does. So I just want her to, I'm trying to get it into her head that this is the top where you can get. If you want to do an apprenticeship, if you want to go into FE, that is also an option as well. But I just want her to let, you know, the rich kids, they already feel that they can go to university. College isn't an option. By default, my daughter would be more likely to go to college than go to university. And I'm setting the bar higher unapologetically.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't want to go two black women growing up in society. I ain't gonna wait for the revolution to come and use my children as guinea pigs to prove my politics or prove a point. I need to position my children in the best position to get the best out of their life.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or whatever, but you know, that's what makes me so happy, the fact that, you know, my daughter's talking about the fact that this could be an option for her.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, my daughter, my seven year old, Kaishea, like, so the thing about it, when you meet my daughter and you meet me, you'll be like, oh my gosh, is that her mum? Because she's much more reserved than me and I embarrass her a lot, but I love it anyway. And she got yesterday 20 out of 20 in her first mass paper and 24 out of 25 in her second mass paper. And I'm like, roll on Cambridge. She told me a few weeks ago she wants to go Cambridge to do. Hair dressing, art, and politics. Now, fall of Cambridge delivering a hairdressing course Will probably suck all the fun out of it, and they'll start talking about the hair follicules”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't think it's the students themselves for. I think there's a structural problem with racism within this country, you know. I don't just want to get more black people into these universities, but yet you have to hide in your room because someone's calling, shouting, we hate blacks outside their door. So it's not just about getting them in. It's about getting them on and making them feel that that is a place for them and not just because it's a tick box exercise.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I'm not surprised by this. I think we already knew this. It actually angers me to know that In this day and age, that it's still so hard for BME people to be able to access these institutions that majority of our politicians and decision makers and policy makers end up going into. So I am really excited about the work that we're doing as NUS to privatize the BME Attainment Gap, my deputy and the Vice President of Higher Education Mate Doku, has been working really hard in getting institutions to sign up to an equality charter. But I think that these conversations still need to continue and it's not about just getting BME people into the Oxford universities. It's about them having the option to explore whatever provision of education is better for them. So my issue would be I still need more black people in STEM subjects. I still need more black people in apprenticeships that are in engineering. So it's not just a, I don't want to see it in a silo.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. So I am actually the second NUS president in 96 years to not have gone to university and the first black woman in the role. I want to get Effie recognised for the excellent work it does in transforming and saving lives. My further education college saved me. I would not be the person I am today without being able to go to college. I never thought university was something for me. I did try to do an access course twice at Morley College and I dropped out. There was just something in the connection that I didn't feel like a sense of belonging. But within further education, I still get to meet a diverse range of people, but people that I felt more comfortable to be around because of their adversity. And I think that's something that what joined us together. And also, Nick, people don't know this, but NUS represents approximately 7 million students across further education and higher education. But between 65 to 70% of our membership”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, I just don't like to get caught up in this factional politics at the end of the day. I've been open about my political views. I voted for Jeremy McCorby as leader. I don't need to prove what my politics is. And I think that it's really what I try to do is recognize that I am the president of the National Union of Students, not the chair of the Labour Club or the chair of anything else. And because of that, my approach needs to be more inclusive.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's a white man. We don't have that in common, but he's different. The rawness, the kind of edginess and the different. Like he doesn't dress like the typical politicians. He's policies and some of these ideas are much more radical. It just made me feel that I could be myself and be confident to be able to be outspoken about my experiences and how my experiences are shaped the way that I view the world.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't know how I got here. I don't know why I'm here, but I've won 11 elections in my time in NUS. I believe strongly in democracy and the people driving forward the type of leadership that they want. And I think what got me here is the fact that I'm different. The fact that I do say it as it is. I'm not going to tinker around the edges and pretty up, you know, something to make people feel comfortable. I will talk about the harsh realities of what's happening on the street in a basic way that people can relate to. I do think as well that Jeremy McCorby had a big part to play. So I thought politics started four years ago when I got political. So I don't really know much about the history of what I'm learning now, but the history of who are the leaders or whatever. But there was something around Jeremy Cordian's leadership and style that kind of, I believe, opened up opportunities for me in terms of just change.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To my bee college, can I just say if Vice Chancellor just wanted to offer me a scholarship, I'll be more willing to see where that goes.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Employability skills, so I will never condone the selling or the taking of drugs. However, coming from a family member or an addict and seeing the horrible side of, you know, no money, a broken home to seeing the money aspect was quite enlightening and how it ran. So there was confidentiality, there was data protection, there was customer service skills, all these type of little skills. Being involved in that type of activity. However, I only done it for two weeks because I was actually a rubbish employee. If it was a real job, I would have got put on performance management and probably had a disciplinary because I was trying to get the addicts to go to rehab. So it just didn't fit and sit morally with what I actually fundamentally believed in.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I don't really like talking about it because I just don't want people to define me by my past, if that makes sense. However,”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't I didn't. So I wanted to empower black women at first, young men that's in criminal activity, gang violence. I just wanted to use my experiences of overcoming adversity to help others within my community. I didn't know it was called activism. I didn't know there was a bigger movement out there.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it was having a child that made me want to do better for myself and better than what I knew. But funny enough, when I returned back to education and that was to do a leadership and management course in 2011, it was after having a bad experience with an employer where I faced sexism and discrimination. However, I didn't understand what sexism and discrimination meant. I just thought that was working with an asshole.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Having my children, I think breaking that cycle of deprivation and actually understanding that I am responsible for my children having a better life.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be honest, I don't probably think you would say hello, Shakira, in seeing the old Shakira. I was a very angry young person, but I put that down to just the experiences that I was going through, but I would never myself think that I would get to where I am today. However, I always wanted more than what I was used to or what I needed.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, just not the best foundations in terms of a close family member was addicted to drugs. So that meant that I didn't have that stability, that information advice and guidance about Korea and about education. And actually, I used to be very embarrassed about it. Sometimes I still am. However, it was my experiences and that adversity that has got me to where I am today. I left school with one GCSE in RE and the topics was euthanasia and abortion. So in hindsight now, I think I had this activism thing in me. I just didn't know it was called activism and I didn't know these issues manifesting so many different ways.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I left home 12 days after my 16th birthday growing up in a household, I wouldn't say that was, I had the best foundations, single parents.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It brings its challenges, it's got its pros and its cons. I found that I didn't step into this role to become a local celebrity or to be labelled a politician. I came often saying my speeches, it was adversity, not university that got me here.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really strange when people say, oh, your background is different because where I come from, this is normality. So I don't think that's the question to ask. Is it me that's different or is it the fact that the game is the same?”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“100% and unapologetically I am Shakero who is fortunate enough to be the NUS president but I'm not going to change who I am so I've just come from Parliament today with my big earrings I've got my bright pink nails on my piercings and my tattoos on show and I don't feel any way about it and I”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The way in which I will describe it is that I am elected and I have a mandate, so I was voted in by the students. However, I'm one individual and I haven't had seven million experiences. So for me, it's really important. And my slogan for last year was to listen, learn and lead, and to learn from different people's experiences. And I think overall I want to fulfill within my role is to get an accessible education where education is a real option for everyone while letting those privileged understand the social barriers and social mobility and try to bridge that gap between those working class and those in those privileged positions.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of any age, any race, any class, and any political affiliation. I understand that within my role, I represent a diverse range of people. And for me, I'll be in whatever room I need to be in to create that change.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I do think there is a definite role and place for me to talk about the current generation. I think representing students is about the current generation. But one thing is students aren't just 16 to 24 year olds. You can have an 80-year-old in a returning learner. So I see myself as the voices of the young people and the future generation, but as the president of the National Union of Students.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, as in, I can't sing, I definitely can dance, but I realise we both use our voice, but it's just in a different way. So she goes. Oh my gosh, that's going to sound so terrible.”
2018-05-25 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Shakira Martin One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source