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Simon Last

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“I mean, it's completely changed. I haven't written code since last summer. I don't type code anymore. Yeah, it's completely shifted. I mean, we went from humans type all the code to like, we're still typing, but we tab complete to sort of like, we talk to the agent and it sort of does little tasks for us, but we are still in the outer loop. And then now it's more like I design an end-to-end task that involves making some change and end-to-end verifying it. And then I'm just the outer verifier sort of like double checking at the very end that's correct. And if it's going off the rails kind of like monitoring it. So it's a complete shift. I'm now like the agent manager instead of the coder.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a pretty big shift. It's pretty fun to mention. But it turns out that you need most of the same primitives. You actually, all the primitives that we built are actually still extremely useful. It's more that we just needed some new primitives, like representing what is an agent and how does it interact with your pages and databases. But you still need the same primitives. You still need a document. It's an unstructured way to write stuff. Agents love to write Markdown documents. Still very relevant, and you still need a database. You still need structured data. If you're working with your swarm of 100 background coding agents, you don't want to have 100 chat threads. You want a Kembem board. It's the same as before.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, it's, I would say change quite a lot. I mean, broadly speaking, before AI, our goal was to create the best tool for humans to directly perform their work. Then now the goal is to create the best tool for humans to manage agents, to do the work for them.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They do all these kind of workflows in Slack and Notion, kind of like manual work like that. And yeah, I would say, yeah, like people are super excited to try it and sort of maybe just need a little bit of a push in terms of intuition and get them started. But then honestly, I've been super impressed. I think the concept is kind of intuitive, sort of like once you get once you get past sort of a little bit of the technical barrier of like what is a prompt and like what is the agent and how does it get triggered and woken up and like how does that even work but then once you sort of get past that i think it's actually a very human like interface”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, we do sort of workshops and hackathons. Frequently, so like, for example, like a month ago, I did a I did a hackathon with the people team and sort of sort of got them. The people team has been amazing. They're actually one of the highest adopters of custom agents. Cool.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, just not read it. So, yeah. Yeah, I mean, generally, I would say, yeah, the general pattern I follow is sort of, I build it as a prototype. I have it in sort of like an approval mode where I'm sort of, you know, watching it closely. And then, but then after it runs a bunch of times, you kind of trust that it's working.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think I did it first, but then sort of once you trust, it's kind of working, you just kind of ignore it. And then if it ever breaks, I'll go fix it. It'll break every now and then. And then”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It uses a similar sort of like memory pattern where it sort of learns on the fly where it's supposed to file bugs. And then over time, it's built up like hundreds of roles that it just sort of learned over time. So for example, there's a bug about the mobile app in those to route to the mobile team and then file a task in their database.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It completely solved my email problems because for me, I don't use email that much for work stuff. It's mostly in Slack. 95% of the personal emails and working emails that I get, I don't need to. At all. And so it's just a waste of time. And so it completely solved that. So now I do my inbox. It's like only stuff I need to see. I've got lots of custom agents running. There's another one that I built that triages all internal feedback and a bug. So we have a Slack channel where basically people just post random product feedback and bugs. In the past, it would sort of sometimes get answered, but then sometimes haphazardly get ignored just because, you know, things. So its entire job is just to route it to the right place.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Pretty to do this, actually. So, all you have to do is you make the agent and then you give it access to your email, and then you can make a blank page that's like its memory. And you let it edit that page. And then you just say, okay, now go look at my emails and then interview me, ask me which things, you know. So it sort of will propose things that it thinks it should archive. And then you can kind of correct it, and then we'll use that to essentially generate a list of rules about what it thinks are correct or not. And so for the first couple days, I was sort of correcting it on things. After a couple weeks or so, I dropped the approval entirely and it just automatically”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I mean, I use our personal agent all the time, so it has all the context about our company and everything that's going on. For example, last night I was asking it about how the Custom Agents launch was going and what the signals were getting from it. We're super useful for that. And then I have many custom agents that are running. My personal favorite is I have an email triage agent so it has access to all of my work and personal emails and it just wakes up every day and just archives all the stuff I don't need to see. I turned it over time to learn my preferences.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Still going, yeah, I know. Yeah, it's kind of nerve wracking. I always like, there's always like, I'll check it one last time before bed and just really make sure that it's still spinning”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's victory. So, yeah, like I've done that, I would say less five nights. Pretty well. My personal record is that I've had a coding agent running for, I think it was 13 days straight without stopping and just basically working through like tasks.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, basically, what I have to do is make sure that I've given it enough stuff that by the time I wake up in the morning, it will still not be done. And so I'm maximum. That's victory.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a very cool idea. I would say, yeah, my whole goal these days is essentially to just have as many running as possible and to run them all the time. And, you know, so for example, like every night before I go to bed, I'm like, okay, let's go, guys.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Working on a new prototype, and so I have a couple agents. I'm working on that, and then, yeah, my setup these days is just either claw code or codecs. I like the CLI tools. They're super simple and work pretty well. I'm pretty comfortable in the CLI. And then, yeah, you don't need my job.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a good question. Yeah, I would say it's a combination of just trying things. It's very empirical. So we're just playing around and noticing, oh, it's not very good at that. Oh, that's way too many tokens. How can you make this smaller? And then a little bit of just first principles thinking of what is it the models are being trained on and What's in their prior? What do they know? And what do we think it would naturally be good at? And how does the agent loop work? And what would be the convenient pattern for accessing these things? And so, and then just a lot of playing around.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To our API. So we essentially have a new customer, which is the agent. At first, that was definitely a problem. So, for example, our API uses this crazy JSON format for blocks that by default is crazy verbose and horrible for the agent. But we basically took on that challenge and designed just really convenient APIs for the agent. We created sort of a markdown dialect that looks like the default normal markdown, but it's sort of enhanced with all the notion blocks. And the models are really good at it. It works really well. So that's how it reads and writes the pages. And then for databases, we use a SQLite. So basically, I guess the speak in SQLite, which also works really well. So the default thing did not work really well, but then we just took that on as an engineering challenge. And I would say now we have.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's all still pretty useful, extremely useful. There's been a challenge to sort of, you know, we want to make it really convenient for the agent. I think that's a new thing that didn't exist. In the past, it was convenient for humans. And then we also made it API. It's convenient for humans writing code”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We actually just released one of them in our agent last week, and we're going to do all four for sure. They're actually quite good. And they're way cheaper than the frontier models. So I think there's a lot of use cases where you'd want that. We want to give that as an option. In terms of the other, you know, so we think of our role as sort of taking all the best models that we can, creating really high quality state-of-the-art agent implementations where people can easily and conveniently get access to them. And then making sort of a collaborative workspace that is really good for humans and for the agents to coordinate on. I think it's something that's very needed in the world and we're just trying to do it in a really tasteful, well-executed way.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think the open source models are actually getting really good. There's like four different Chinese models now that are quite good.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you look at the landscape, I would sort of say there's the labs and then there's maybe the software platforms. And then there's maybe like infrastructure. In terms of the labs, we see ourselves as kind of like the Switzerland for models. We think in our customers, they don't want to be locked into a certain labs model. They're always releasing new versions any given month one is better than the other. So we want to be a place where basically you can easily get access to all the best models at any time and you can easily switch around.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's pretty key. Yeah, I think of coding agents as like the kernel of AGI. AGI will be a coding agent and code is just a really, really useful, a primitive for representing deterministic logic. The thing that's really exciting about it, replying it to a knowledge work agent is that it can bootstrap a capability. If it needs to connect itself to a new data source, it can do that.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was custom agents. So you can basically create a new custom agent, give it a name. And unlike the personal agent, by default, it doesn't have access to anything. So you have to grant it access. But then once you do, it can actually run autonomously in the background. So for example, you can give it access to its own database, the file tasks, let's say, and then you can attach it to a Slack channel, and then it will start responding to people in Slack and a filing task. That's one use case. Another one is maybe you could give it access to a database of weekly reports and then let it search the web or search your workspace. So it's sort of a custom agent sort of represents some work or job, some knowledge work tasks that you want to be done autonomously. One thing I'm really excited about this going forward is we want it to be extremely good at sort of bootstrapping its own capabilities basically from an initial kernel allowing it to basically bootstrap itself to do anything, right? So even, for example, maybe building an integration that”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We struggled for a few years to build an agent. And it always sort of worked, but then it wasn't that useful, largely just it was too early. So we tried to build an agent, I would say, actually three or four times. And then we finally launched it last fall, so like last August, September. So if Fused Notion AI now, it's like the full agent that has accessed everything in Notion pretty much. So that totally works. I would say A lot of the original vision that we had totally works now. And it's like fully shipped. Last August or September, we shipped our personal agent. So it's pretty much every user in Notion has an agent and it basically has access to all the things that the user has access to. It can create a database for you. It can update things, create documents, it can search the web, do research. And then the second big thing that we just launched last week, actually.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We still do reviews on all the pull requests. And I would say, and all the pull requests are now written by agents. They're often like larger and more complex. That's the worst part. But the better part is that they're often a much better tested and we can demand sort of a much better testing for the things that merit it. I never produce a PR that hasn't been fully end-to-end tested anymore. And so it's like, you can get to a pretty high degree of confidence that it works, but it requires you're not just vibe coding by saying the thing you want. You're sort of thinking carefully about like, what is the thing I'm trying to make? And how can it be verified and how can it be deployed safely? And then enlisting the agent to help you with that process.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People are like, for example, our design team made an entire Git repo. They call it the design playground. And it's essentially like a simplified notion with a bunch of UI primitives in it. And they've made it really sophisticated. It has an agent in there. And it's pretty cool because it allows them, all designers can spin up super high fidelity prototypes really quickly. And so it's no longer like pointing at a mock and being like, you know, like, how will this look like? They'll give you like a URL to a prototype that's been deployed. And that sort of thing is true all the way up and down the stack for all of engineering, just like a little bit more chaotic, more stuff happening. All the PRs are more ambitious”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think the gap is bigger. You can be like 100 or 1,000 X engineer if you're using the tools right now. The gap is much bigger. The minimum bar has not changed, but the maximum bar is extremely increased. One impact has had internally, I would say, is like broadly things feel like a little bit more messy and chaotic, I would say, like, but I kind of love that. I mean, it's like there's more, there's way more prototypes.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I would say the fundamental effect is that everyone's individual impact in terms of their output can be much higher. And your output increasingly depends on your ability and willingness to use the tools. I think that's the fundamental thing that's happening. And then how does that play out? I think I don't think we've seen that much impact on the team sides, really. I think we like to work in smallish Tiger teams for the most part. I think You can make teams small, it's almost always better. That was true before, and I think it's still true. Maybe increasingly a little bit, but not that much. I think, yeah, the main thing is to just really harness the tools.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, it's definitely changed multiple times. I mean, in terms of the coding agents, we kind of went through multiple eras. There was kind of like the tab autocomplete era and then we got into sort of inserting, rewriting some code. But it wasn't really until the agent started working. I would say like early last year, we started to adopt the agents. I started using cloud code, I think, around April of last year. That was a huge unlock. I would say that the big shift there is that, you know, you can really push on getting these agents to end-to-end implement and verify and maintain stuff, but it requires pretty significant thought in terms of how you architect things and what is the verification loop. But the upshot is I think if you do it well, you can be much more ambitious about what you're building and also make it much more robust than you could have done with humans writing it. And then the flip side is if you do it badly, it's also...”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's extremely true. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's been really fun to use the coding agents. I think the ambition of what I even consider building has gone up a lot.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a running joke almost. I mean, we rewrite our AI harness probably every six months or so. And the time to rewrite has kind of been decreasing just because I think Link Progress has been accelerating. I think this is honestly a really key thing and something that a lot of companies get wrong is just like doing one thing and then just like sticking with it. You really do have to keenly aware of what the current state of the model and the technology is and then designing the harness and system and the product deeply around that. And it basically means you have to rewrite it every six months. I find it pretty fun. It's part of the process. You know, we're working on, we're about to release a new version of our harness in the next week or two. And then we're already thinking about the one after that as well.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think, yeah, that took a lot of iteration. Yeah. The chunk sizing, how retrieval works, the different steps in the pipeline of retrieval. Yeah, there's a lot of iteration on that.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. That's super important, but that's sort of not transparent to the user and sort of independent of their particular method of organizing things.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, totally. I would say, I mean, the interesting thing is that with embeddings, it almost doesn't matter as much. Anymore. The AI doesn't really care what the tree structure is, for example. All the AI cares about is that there's a snippet of text that has the context you need and that it can retrieve it. And so actually we kind of advise people now, like, don't worry as much about organization. Just find a way to get it all piped in and thrown in there.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can't just apply a one size fits all to quarrying Slack versus quarrying Google Drive, let's say. They're completely different kinds of information. And we found that there's just a little bit of craft and love that's to go into it in terms of actually trying a bunch of different queries, actually using it every day, and constantly iterating and rethinking and tuning how the retrieval works.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I think my take after. Dealing with all of this and you know, working with the teams to try to get it working is there's a little bit of just AI pilled savviness that's pretty important and then I think most of it is honestly just like a bit of like craft and attention to detail. I think like in particular with this like indexing retrieval stuff in order to really get it working you have to be quite empirical and iterative and actually be like like trying queries like you know like each each data source is a little bit special like you know”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it's kind of true. Yeah, this has been something we talk about a lot because it's like. It's like almost like what right do we even have to do this? But it turns out that most of the companies are pretty bad at making their indexes somehow. It's honestly kind of baffled us a little bit.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We did as soon as we got the notion index working, it was obvious that, okay, we should index everything else as well. And so we indexed Slack and Google Drive, and we're launching new ones on a regular cadence. And now we have a, I would say, fairly complete.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The next big thing that we immediately started working on was QA, doing a semantic index of the entire workspace, and then letting you ask a question, and it can give you an answer that's grounded in the sources. That was also immediately obvious to us that that'd be super useful. And so we started work on that. That one we launched in, I think it was October 2023. So we started a beta before then, but then our GA was in October. That was a much bigger effort working, obviously. We weren't just like plugging in the LLM. It was actually doing this real-time updating index. Right. We had to get much more serious about the evals and the quality there as well. The QA has been a multi-year journey. Basically, what”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, there's been a slog over many years, over multiple years at this point. With many, many learnings, I would say, yeah, I mean, just to give you a timeline of the arc of what we shipped is, you know, so the first thing was our rating system. We called it AI writer. That's the first thing we launched. It was easiest to get working because it's like single step task, rewriting editing text. There's no retrieval aspect. It was just raw access to the model to write the text. Next.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Give you like sources or more information. So that was the thing that immediately got to work on, and we sort of started a tiger team around it, and then we were able to launch it in like two or three months after that. And then the long-term vision that we immediately had was like, oh, the thing that looks like it may be possible is more of like a general assistant. So what if you could just give it all the tools inside notion that a human would have be able to create its own databases, query, manipulate them, create documents, edit them, and sort of weave all these things together to do like a longer range task. And so we sort of immediately started on both the short-term one we were able to shoot very quickly. And then the long-term one didn't really work yet. And so that took much longer to get working.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we immediately had a long term and a short term vision, I would say I'll start with a short-term one. The thing that was immediately obvious was, oh, it could be like a writing assistant. So it could be in your document. You can select some text, have it rewrite it, you can have a write text for you, maybe look something up, and then, you know.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think that year, that was 2022. I've been watching what's going on in general. I've just been super curious about the technology Fascinated to try everything and think about how we can apply it. It wasn't until I played with GPG-4 that it became really, really real. So, you know, we got access to it. It was sort of like a proto-Chat GPT-like interface and a my co-founder Ivan and I have a book on access. And it was just immediately clear, like, I would say two big things. One is that it was just pretty smart. It could follow reasonably complicated instructions. It could write things for you. You could edit things. And the second big thing was the scope of its knowledge was extremely interesting. Super, super deep and broad world knowledge. When we play with it, it became just instantly clear to both of us, like, okay, the time is now to start, but think about how to apply this. It's only going to get better.”
2026-03-12 · No Priors · From Coder to Manager: Navigating the Shift to Agentic Engineering with Notion Co-Founder Simon Last · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT