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1. “Oh my gosh. Things like most people in the South don't really travel out of the South. A lot of southern nasty one guy in Birmingham said he thinks the South is really nice because they learned at pre-Civil War to cover slavery, that it was having to be nice no matter what the price was, and so that pain of that. Where am I? Another thing was in Mississippi. My heart broke in Mississippi when I finally realized the reason they won't expand Medicaid from that crazy Supreme Court decision, at least Roberts affirmed it, the Affordable Care Act, that's a whole other story. That Mississippi can't expand Medicaid because for them, it's like another surrender at Appomattox. It's a surrender to Federal author No matter, and I'd been using all these arguments about how your people need it.”

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2. “I know. So, what I did was I went to the South, I took my books, went to bookstores in southern states, and used the books as a way of getting people to come and then say, okay, here's my book, but really I'm here because I don't know about South. Could you educate me? Talk to me about it. What's your experience? And the glorious thing about doing it this way is it makes everybody in the room an expert and me, the learner. And so people were. And what did you learn?”

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3. “It shouldn't be. I talked to like 35 conservatives. Oh, we'll talk to you, sister. Oh, we couldn't be public. Oh, couldn't do it. So I said, all right, that didn't work. So what can I do? So I looked at the map of the US and I said, the South scares me. And I don't know the South. So...”

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4. “Well, I don't have a regular paid employment. Should we put it that way? But I'm very busy. Can I talk about what I'm doing? Okay, going to, so my big thing is getting people trying to understand people who think differently. And so last summer, I tried to get conservatives and progressives to talk to each other. That was impossible. I talked to, I don't know,”

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5. “No, they didn't take my television away. What they did was they elected me to our council, which I had not considered because I thought I had a safe, that they wouldn't want my notoriety around, but they did. So that was a shock. That was a shock. But they're sweet.”

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6. “Oh, okay, where that happens is when I'm home with my sisters. I'm just winning the sisters. Just me and And then you know what happened? What they did? Good God, what they did was last.”

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7. “I know, I know. Well, they do now. But it's the human thing. The thing is, this notoriety is not about me. It's about the gift of What we've been able to do that has nourished people in surprising ways. That's the gift of it.”

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8. “Well, I think it can be a temptation. An example is, okay, so I ride the bus. I don't have a car in DC. I ride the bus. Take the metro. And here in Chicago, my favorite bus is the number six. And so I was meeting up with a whole bunch, some of the Emerson Collective people. And they were going to send a cart. Don't send a car. I'm riding the bus.”

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9. “Absolutely. Can I give a little plug? I am in the documentary God and Country, which takes on the issue of Christianism, white Christian nationalism. And the mistaken view of faith to justify actions that are very worrisome, that are very worrisome.”

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10. “Yeah, but actually, I feel more, okay, now I'd be a name darker. In 12, I got to speak primetime at the convention. I was so well received that it told me the heart of who we are together shares a commitment to the common good and how we get there. It doesn't matter to me, but it's the common good that we”

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11. “Well, I mean, it was hard for me when I first went to DC because the religion makes Democrats nervous or made Democrats nervous”

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12. “It informs my life and leads me in this path, which is the biggest gift of my life. But we meet all kinds of people on the path. You don't have to share the motivation? But that's how it, I mean, that's what I learned in DC: is finding ways of weaving together coalitions that care about similar parts. And so you can create a coalition without sharing all the reasons behind it. But we've got this result that we share, that we want.”

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13. “I don't mention the T word, though I'll work against him. Have a politics without compassion? To have our hearts frozen, to have our beings frozen. And Deep freeze, it's cold outside today. You don't want a deep freeze as the national.”

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14. “My God. Yeah, absolutely. This is a broken law. But the thing that is so annoying is the willful refusal to fix it. The willful refusal To engage in the reality of what's going on in this world. And the other problem, David, that I have a really hard time with is that a bunch of the movement of migrants is the result of global television and global Internet. And the fact that people, hungry people see signs of hope. Hungry people are going to move towards hope. We keep exporting, we don't export the problems, we export the Hollywood glitzy perspective. I”

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15. “Know they have good jobs. Well, do you have family there? Oh no, they have good jobs. But the hunger to work, to support a family when there's so much devastation. The folks from Venezuela who hadn't eaten in three days before they left to get to Colombia, finally they get some food, but the Colombians are forcing them out. They'll give them a free ride on the boat to the start of the path through the Darien.”

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16. “Well, the thing that I find so difficult in the United States is that the reporting is only as if it's what happens on our border. Happens internally in the US. Unless summer I went on a small delegation to Panama, and we met with the Panamanian government. We went to the Darien to see people coming through the jungle, through the gap. It's a river of people who are desperate. And who couldn't eat, had no food, had no possibility. This one woman I met with her three daughters from Ecuador, that she had seen her husband killed in front of her. She grabs her three daughters and runs, and so I say Well, where would you like to go? After they've been through the jungle, it was so dangerous, so dangerous, she says, Well, where are you going? She goes Chicago. Chicago. Why Chicago? Ooh, they have good jobs”

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17. “Oh, it was horrible. Horrible And it was going to decimate all the programs. And what people didn't necessarily realize is that some of the programs run by Catholic sisters it was going to decimate too. And then, this is the best part, we found a press conference, a press statement from the bishop's conference that they had issued on a Friday late afternoon. You always know that's prime time, right? So late afternoon, they issued this press conference or press statement that said the Ryan budget fails a basic moral test. So we made hundreds of copies of this.”

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18. “Well, we asked our secular colleagues what to do. And at the end of an hour and a half meeting, whatever happens in an hour and a half meeting, May 14th, end of an hour and a half meeting, we were going on the road. We were pushing back against the Ryan budget. We were lifting up the works.”

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19. “But the thing was to learn to use this, I had been on retreat. I came to realize that too often we push back against things when you push back against something, you get stuck in that pushing back because you've got to keep pushing, otherwise the other side is going to push forward. And rather what I kept trying to do was to fight for a vision so that you could stand shoulder to shoulder and fight for a vision. So I never set a negative thing about the bishops, though Lord knows I thought it. And what we did was I said, how do we use this moment for mission? Because we had all this notoriety. Because the leadership conference of women religious that had been censured, they had to work with the Vatican. So they had to be quiet. We didn't. We could be public. It was kind of fun. And so.”

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20. “It took a while. Two years later, there's a censure of the leadership conference of women religious. And it was totally related to the fact that we won on healthcare and they lost. They're sore losers, but they hold on to memory for a very long time. So they got the Vatican to say our organization. Okay, we had nine full-time staff. This is 2012. Years after the ACA, almost to the date. We have nine full-time staff, and they say our organization was a bad influence on Catholic sisters. We promoted radical feminist themes incompatible with the gospel. And it was like, well, you never talk to us, how can you say that? I was like, Oh brother.”

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21. “How could you do this? I get tears in my eyes just thinking about it. But I knew we had the letter out. So I come back to my community works in English and Spanish. And so I come back to the committee meeting and some of our sisters from Mexico are there and they see me crying. They go, you want to kiss the passando, what's going on? Not understanding our politics. So I pull it together. I think, okay, we've got the letter. We'll see what we can do. I got home Wednesday morning on a red eye and we released it that afternoon. It was St. Patrick's Day. And we released the letter and we had 58 Catholic sisters who had signed on. And they signed on knowing that the bishops were opposing it. And I have been so proud of my sister standing up for what our people knew.”

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22. “Who could I get? I am very strategic. And so I thought who we need are the leaders of Catholic sisters communities who run hospitals. What a better testimony. And so I write this letter. I send it around to my friends, ask people to share it around. Monday afternoon I get a call from a colleague in the White House and he says it is Catholic and he says, oh, Sister Simone, I go, what's wrong? And he goes, I think I'm Buddhist. And I go, Buddhist. You're not a Buddhist. What are you talking about? And the bishops had come out opposing. And I because I was home with my sisters, I burst into tears. I just wept. Because I was like...”

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23. “Message direct, but he was being controlled by the staff in DC. And so Carol comes out with basically the statement she wanted George to join in on. And that was, I think, like a Saturday. And I see it. I'm in LA for community meetings. I send her an email right away saying, Carol, we're with you. We'll do a support letter. We stand with you when you get pushed back from the bishops. And she's not a very good predictor of the future. She emailed back pretty promptly saying, oh, I don't expect pushback from the bishops, but I expect pushback from 4th Street, which is the staff of the bishops. Surprise. So I do a letter, a sign-on letter. How many million sign-on letters have we done in DC? It's always the thing to get people to sign on and make it a thing. So I thought.”

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24. “Oh, you know a lot. But the thing was that, okay, Sister Carol Kean at the Catholic Health Association was trying to get the bishops to come out with CHA Catholic Health Associations doing a joint statement. And she kept pushing Cardinal George, who was here in Chicago, who was the president. To do it, to do it, to do it. And she had, I think I can say this now, it's far enough away. She had made friends with the housekeeper, his housekeeper. And so she would fax things to his house. And the housekeeper would put them on his plate to get them”

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25. “That's interesting to the extent that it gave me a passion for everybody who's left out, that's a piece of it, but I'm not a medical person. So it's not like medicine's the thing. The thing that was hard with the ACA was the fact that so many people were left out of care.”

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26. “He wasn't a social justice leader. That is true, but a bunch of other people were. And we were in the hospitals, we were in, oh man, one hospital for kids with cancer, and this woman says to me, You could say, my son, you could save my son. Sanctions had stopped medicine from, there were four medicines that were needed for the treatment of leukemia had stopped one medicine from going in because it could be weaponized. And so kids were dying of leukemia because they couldn't get this fourth medicine. Just maybe nuts. But what we discovered was in the government in Iraq at the time that more peaceful negotiators were in the ascendancy and in the US, the Hawks were in the ascendancy and they were just missing each other. There was no conversation. It was just, it was gone. And so I did become sort of nuts on the topic. I spoke every place.”

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27. “I went to be a witness to bring back the story because what was happening in our country was only the war story, the drum beat of war. I just went to see what was happening there. And what we discovered was in the Iraqi government what was in the ascendancy, because we talked to, they talked to us. It was amazing. We talked to all kinds of Iraqi government officials. And you could see what was happening.”

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28. “I was a little nervous because I was a little nervous until we got there. And then it was like people were wonderful. However, we get in the elevator to go up to our room in the hotel and this guy is carrying our suitcases. And he stops the elevator and I thought, oh, this could be a trouble. And he says, I could go to Canada. Should I go now? Should I take my family? What do you know? I was like, Oh my God, I don't know anything And he said, I'm a dentist. I could get certificates there. And I said, well, we didn't know what to say. Yeah, it's coming, but. I don't know, and that was repeated often.”

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29. “Well, we were all Catholic with some description, and the Dominican sisters had done a lot of work with the Dominican Iraqis who were based up in Mosul and had hospitals in Baghdad, and they had work during sanctions to be supportive to them. So we had a Dominican two Dominicans with us, and we flew to Aman and then we drove to Baghdad. It's a long drive. Oh, there are a lot of stories. But so we get to Baghdad. And I had been nervous about going, but we figured as long as, remember the UN inspectors, as long as they were still looking for weapons of mass destruction, we were okay, that the US wouldn't start bombing. And we get to...”

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30. “Oh my God. Right. In December of 2002 before we invaded. Oh man, I went with seven others to, I think it was seven, to Iraq.”

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31. “So after I did leadership, then I did for a few years, a couple years I did California state policy and they got recruited to apply to network.”

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32. “I know, I know, I know. You're not the lawyer for the diocese. But how can that be the initial response? Is fear about how we're going to deal with our money? Opposed to the pastoral response of care? What happened to these people? And quite frankly, how flawed, fine. I don't even know what language to use about priests who did these kinds of things. So how do we break through that? Say compassion for people who've experienced this and a wake up call about what does that mean for priests? How isolated and frightened and whatever that they felt? So anyway, the lawyerly response, it was a corporate pragmatic decision and I think it was wrong, said she authoritatively.”

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33. “Terrifying how the churches dealt with it. I really wasn't aware of it then. It wasn't my experience, but hearing about it is horrifying. But the thing I know, the thing that frustrates me so much about the church's response is that they gave the response to lawyers. And that's wrong. The lawyers were wrong. The lawyers got them all about, well, don't say anything, you know, that cautionary litigation strategy, that is not the gospel. That's not Jesus. We won't get out of this mess till we weep together about what happened. And I don't see many people leading the weeping. I just find it horrifying, just horrifying.”

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34. “As you probably imagine. But I'm stubborn, so I'll keep at it. And eventually, bit by bit, drop by drop. I think I hoped. It helped me feel like I was representing my sisters.”

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35. “The governance structure of our beloved church needs to hear our stories of the people we work with, of the folks we encounter. We need to have everybody hearing the story. And if leadership doesn't hear the story, then their leadership is going to be less because of it. And the corollary is I need to hear the leadership. I need to hear the story of leadership and have a bit of compassion for these guys that drive me a little crazy. The way I saw my job as the head of my community was to do missionary work of bringing the story to the bishops where our sisters were to try to open up a different perspective, soften the heart, make it more complex.”

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36. “When I got elected, we'd had this insight. That we are the church. And so we go, we are the church. And we said, we own, we know it, we own it, and we'll act on it. Well, the other insight, the corollary of that insight is that”

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37. “Through that, through it was very painful in many ways, but it was gift because in the end, after five years, I did a Zen retreat for, I don't know, seven weeks, something like that. But at the end of that, I realized I had come to know the divine in a new way. And that discovery was Don't even know how to put words to it Like it turned the whole struggle golden. But for that struggle, I would have never come to this insight. So, in the end, it was good news.”

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38. “Those memories? Well, they turned out to be the biggest gift of my life. But here's the trouble. My community, we're all social workers of one kind or another, and social workers root for the underdog. By definition, when you get elected to leadership, you're no longer the underdog. And so all these things that people have been wanting to tell you for 25 years, they now can tell you. Simone, you talk too long. Simone, you use two big words. Simone, what was another one? Oh, Simone, you're so corporate. Well, I've been a lawyer for eighteen years and I wrote a letter that had three points in a summary. And they didn't appreciate it. But what happened was I learned that”

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39. “And so I, this girl had been ping-ponged around from way too many people, and I could not bear to put her into the foster program. So I just took her home. And my sisters, luckily, who I lived with, they were like, oh, that's fine. And we knew the sisters who ran the school nearby, so we put her in school for a couple weeks till we got it organized. And she finally got returned to what was going to be the adoptive family. But the thing that was so No, I'm not. But when I got a little bit famous with the bus, I heard from her adoptive mom. And here she is married. She and her husband's in the military. She was in England and she was having her first child.”

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40. “Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Probably the most among the most challenging was I would get appointed to represent kids in family law cases. And this one horrible, horrible, horrible case, this dad. I had to interrupted. I didn't know it. I had interrupted an alcoholic syndrome in this family where the mother, the stepmother was a dry alcoholic and the father was active. And my intervention caused the stepmother to start drinking too, and the violence escalated. Well, the dad's answer is. Poor processing thinking, was he brought the little girl, Kristen, down to my office. He comes out while we were on the fifth floor and the elevator opens and he sends her down with a note pinned to her, saying here, you take her.”

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41. “It's hard to explain they were the substance of my prayer after I had done the law center I ended up getting elected to be in leadership but the thing that I learned was how much my clients really nourished my prayer to be rooted in that gospel call to be present to be poor in spirit be you know Hunger and thirst for justice. It was my clients that led me to that. And so it was like the lifeblood of my commitment was provided by my clients.”

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42. “And the thing that was really important to me was that my clients be accorded the dignity of having a regular law office, of not a storefront, not a fly-by-night place. Legal aid so often has these very dusty windows and their storefronts. Anyway, I found that not conducive to acknowledging the human dignity of the people that we served. And we ended up doing all the high conflict, low-income family law cases in our county. which was challenging fun. I loved it. It was great. And we got known by the court, and we got known by about everybody in town.”

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43. “One of my sisters celebrated her jubilee, how to forget if it was 25 years, 50 years. She had an extra 150 dollars. So she gives me the $150 from her jubilee. And then the five other sisters I lived with, they said, well, Simone, just started here. So what I did was we had a telephone closet that I took over as the office. And then I made a deal with parishes in the flatlands, the poor parts of Oakland. And if they advertised in their bulletin that I'd be there, then I held office hours in the parishes one day a week. One day a week or every other week, I forget exactly how it worked out. But that's how I got our first clients. And then after a year, we had enough money to move downtown and have an actual office. But the thing for me that was so important was that”

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44. “Well, it was like my ministry, and then my sisters, I couldn't get seed money because nobody'd ever done it. I never understood how seed money is supposed to be for innovative programs, but you need a track record. Right. So, my sister said”

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45. “Huge gap. And so I picked the highest density of blue collar workers in California as the place to start. That if it was going to work, if the model was going to work, where we charged everybody on a sliding scale and supported us ourselves on that, then I would do it where we had the highest density of potential clients. It made sense.”

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46. “It was like legal aid to the extent that we serve the working poor. We really served those who didn't qualify for legal aid but couldn't afford private counsel, so the working poor. That's who we served.”

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47. “No, actually, I wrote what I considered my first brief arguing how it fit with our mission in charism. And so it got approved. And the way we do things is that we take turns going to school. We take vows of poverty. So we consolidate, we put together all our revenue, and then we take turns going to school and we pay for each. So everything's held in common. So that's how we try to get scholarships as much as we can. And the community was supportive. Everybody was into it.”

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48. “I hate power imbalance. I just hate it. So I go home and I say my sisters who I lived with in Portland, I go, I have to go to law school. That's it. I have to go to law school. And they were like, law school.”

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49. “Yeah, tennis rights. We were trying. And Oregon at the time that probably still is true, was very conservative, especially when it came to property issues because of all the farmers. And so we were trying to get tenants rights so that about a round evictions, 30-day notices, all of that kind of thing, that it just didn't exist. And so we're down at Salem testifying, had all the testimony organized. It was beautiful. And this curmudgeon of a legislator was probably, I thought he was ancient. It's probably younger than I am now, but I won't say anything. But he says, well, what about the covenants of something or another? And I didn't know what he was talking about.”

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50. “I was so low down. I didn't have a business card. I didn't know about those at the time. But so I had Western Oregon. That was the whole Western Oregon doing programs for high school and junior high school kids that went to public school. And it was glorious. It was fabulous. I had a great time, but I was young, so I also had a lot of energy. So on the side, I did community organizing in Portland. So I did a lot of...”

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