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Stan Grof

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  1. “Converge with the values in schizophrenics. And then something amazing happened. I found that there was incredible, I would say, inter-individual, intra-individual variability. So you give the same substance in the same dosage under the same circumstances under the same lousy certain setting which we had.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. “Psychiatry. And the initial research was we had a group of 40 people, including ourselves, mostly professionals, psychologists, psychiatrists, biologists and so on. And we had a protocol, we would invite these people for a day to the research institute. We would do really scientific work, you know, drawing blood every hour on the hour, collecting samples of urine, doing psychological tests and electrophysiological investigations. And then we had one day when we brought schizophrenic patients who were matched by age, by gender, by IQ and so on with our experimental subjects. And we were looking if these values of these psychological and physiological, biochemical tests would sort of”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  3. “Where the initial was this approach which could be called search for toxin X, the way LSD came to us was that it is a substance that can mimic somehow psychosis. We call the initial sessions experimental psychosis. It was called hallucinogens, psychotomimetic. And so the excitement was that we have a model of something like schizophrenia or the other kinds of psychosis. And this made a possibility of creating a model, which is always great to have a model in science. So give LSD to quote-unquote normal subjects. And they would spend six to eight hours in a world that seemed to be like the world of our patients. And so the initial research actually was laboratory. I wrote one of the early”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  4. “This point would be like four and a half thousand of LSD sessions, but I was working with psilocybin, also we were working for a while with the tryptamine derivatives, which actually came from Budapest, from our neighbor. Dr. Zara, Stephen Zara, and Dr. Busarame, they were the ones who actually developed the whole group of the tryptamine derivatives, DMT, DET, DPT. I don't think they had at the time the methoxy DMT, which seems to be the most interesting one.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  5. “Two o'clock, you know, I started another one and I had a department where I had 18 beds and all the patients were getting LSD so they were really familiar with the states and all our nurses had training sessions. So by 2 o'clock I could pass the person who was coming down from an LSD session to this team of nurses and patients and I could start another one. And I was sitting in all of those sessions the whole time. Unlike some other places where, for example, Anscar Loyner, he was actually leaving the experimental subjects alone, and they just had a bell where they could call the nurse when they were in trouble. But I was so excited about what was coming. I realized this is going to change psychiatry, psychology.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  6. “Initially it was just a kind of phenomenological research, just giving it to different people and seeing what it does. I don't know if you can imagine now when there are a lot of publications and other kinds of publicity what it was like for us when this substance fell into our labs. We had absolutely no idea what it would do from session to session. I mean, we didn't know where it would be going with our patients in our own sessions. So it was quite an exciting adventure. I spent several years actually doing two sessions a day. I would get up early. Wow. I do a session about that.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  7. “And psychology. And my preceptor, Dotsen Robicek, who was very interested in LSD, but he didn't have time to sit for six or eight hours with his patients with the experimental subjects. So he was using several of us as kind of gophers. We were sitting in these sessions and we were keeping the record. So I actually started my exposure to LSD already 1954. But unlike at Harvard, students were excluded. So I couldn't have my own session until I graduated from the medical school. And by that time, you know, my appetite was wetted. So I was sitting in these sessions of psychologists, psychiatrists, artists. And hearing all these fantastic stories about the experiences that they had. But I had no really no access to it”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  8. “Well, the situation was I became initially very excited about psychoanalysis. And as a result of it, I went to medical school and in my fourth year of medical school, I was going to the psychiatric department already as a volunteer to get some sense for the discipline. This is where we got from Sandos supply of MPLs of delicate, of LSD and it came with a letter talking about the history, about the famous self-experiment of Albert of Mann and the bicycle ride and all that. They were asking us if we would like to experiment with that substance and let them know if there was any legitimate use for it in psychiatry.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  9. “Thank you very much, Tim. Thank you for having me. And before we start, I would like to thank you for everything you have been doing for raising consciousness on this planet. It's been amazing. And it's a great honor and pleasure for me to be on your show.”

    2018-11-20 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #347: Stan Grof, Lessons from ~4,500 LSD Sessions and Beyond · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT