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Stephanie Ruhle

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  1. Is that your little mantra? Yes. Okay. Telling conversations in a culturally complicated time. There's a lot of C's going on there. You can find me on the Instagram, but that's really just my kids. That's at Steph Rule. You can find me on the Twitter at S-Rule. You are on TV. You are on the TV.

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  2. Correct. And I'm pretty sure people who signed that letter from the business roundtable, I think there's a few people who have benefited from the carried interest loophole that was supposed to come out of the tax code last time and it's still in there. And I'm going to hold all those people to account.

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  3. And Alan said no. I made, yes, you're just president. And Alan said, nope, I only interview people that I respect And I thought about it. I think about that, she said that so, and it doesn't even necessarily have to be, she has a different kind of show. You don't have to have people that you always like But I really want to bring people on of influence. And if they're not making us better and smarter, I sure shit want to expose them for it, but I want to try to bring people on who actually care about the world being better and smarter. I want to hold the business roundtable accountable for this whole new plan that they have to care more. You believe them. To care more. I don't believe them. Really? Because I'm pretty good that.

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  4. I think I don't have an answer yet for who's your dream guest? Obviously. You know, I remember Ellen DeGeneres asked when Meghan Kelly was, I never forget this. Ellen Degenere asked Megan Kelly, would you interview Donald? Because she was starting a morning show. There was no politics. And she said, would you interview Donald Trump? And Megan said, of course I would. She goes, wouldn't you?

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  5. Income inequality, education, healthcare, the economy, finding out are people better off? And if they're not looking for solutions to help them be

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  6. But I don't know if I was a single mom and I was living in the south side of Chicago and I didn't have a good job, my kids went to a horrible school and I didn't live in a safe neighborhood, I might say I have nothing to lose. So we have to really address, and I'm going to focus on it, definitely as we lead into the election, as we listen, a recession is not a crisis, right? Ken Lang of All People said it best. It's like a diet nobody wants to go on it, but every few years you need one. So I'm definitely focused on the recession, the economy. And are people better off? The president rightfully went to see lots of people and said, I'm going to solve this. And reprehensively, he had no intention of doing it. And he didn't.

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  7. Correct. They're not getting their jobs back. Any money besides buybacks that CEOs are spending from their big tax cut is not on hiring low-skilled workers. It's on automation. And if we don't just start addressing that, and bravo to Andrew Yang, who's bringing that up over and over, that is the issue, right? We need to talk more about if you care about income inequality, then you better care about public education because the education you and I, I don't know if you went to private school or public, I went to public. The education I received as a kid is far better than the public education being offered to people now. So when the president actually said, I remember he had those two events, I want to say in African American churches when he was running, and he said, what do you have to lose? And the elite media, me part of it, were outraged and it was offensive and it was offensive.

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  8. I'm very much focused on across the board, financially and culturally, are we better off? Where are we going? Because I do think as it relates to cancel culture, simply flushing people down the toilet and saying, I'm done with them isn't going to solve anything. And misusing data that just talks about the economy is great or business is great. It's not. I mean, listen, it's really good. The United States is better than other countries, but this whole idea that, you know, we're bringing manufacturing back, Kara, Laverne and Shirley are never getting their jobs back at the bottling factory. For those who don't know the reference. Any money that comes from television show until the 1980s about two girls who weren't going to be

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  9. I don't feel like they will, but they darn well should. Listen, breaking up the big tech giants is the one thing that Ted Cruz and Elizabeth Warren agree on.

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  10. And I'm sure you've talked about this at length, but the insecurity, the depression, what is happening to our kids and our teens because of social media, these companies aren't going to change their behavior because we're their content creators. The advertisers love it. The only thing that's going to change it are the rulemakers, the lawmakers, and they have to actually do something.

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  11. We're just a startup. It's just free speech. I get it. You didn't realize you were going to create a monster, but you did. And regulation hasn't caught up. It's to me, it's unthinkable to not call these organizations publishers at this point. They are absolutely publishers. And I just don't understand why there aren't more standards. I happen to love Instagram. But I actually went to Instagram months ago and they tried to tell me that they don't allow Instagram accounts for people under the age of 13. And I said, I can name you 20 people I know whose babies have an Instagram account.

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  12. I think we don't know the risks associated. I'll tell you, I'm damn tired of whether I hear it from Mark or anyone else with the, well, we're just a startup. Come on

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  13. I lost my mind. I'm not going to, you know what? And I stood up and I said, This is, I'm in the green room. And I said, this is insane. This is ridiculous. And everyone is looking at me like I have two heads. They're going, what do you mean? And then the person who ran content sat down with me and they said, Well, Facebook didn't want to do an interview at all. They just wanted to do a presentation. So this was a compromise. And I said, so they went from an advertisement to an infomercial. We are part of this because this does go to The Svengali PR machine that Facebook was for years. And we don't think that it's access journalism, but to an extent. It absolutely is.

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  14. The interview starts and the person interviewing him says, We've done this a different way. We've collected questions over the last few weeks from people attending today, and we submitted the question.

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  15. And it's easy to say people should read terms and conditions. Nobody's ever going to read that. They're just not going to. And when we say Facebook has a huge problem, I think they have a huge existential problem, but I don't actually think they have a real problem because their advertisers haven't left and people aren't deleting. So was Mark Zuckerberg grilled on the hill? Yup. And maybe he was embarrassed. But all he really needs to do the next day is turn the TV off. Because that next day, Facebook was still making $110 million. So I think we think they have a big problem, but they don't. On Monday, I did an event, I did a conference.

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  16. But my big worry, honestly, is about standards and best practices, right? I can't sit down and write a nonsense story, a made-up story that says, you know, you should take your kids out of school, let them watch TV and play video games all day. That'll make them the next Mark Zuckerberg. I can't write that story and put it on NBCNews.com tomorrow because of legal and standards. I could write that story and then buy the website great American moms.com put it on Facebook and in a week my mother will be telling me that story.

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  17. Listen, I think we are in a dangerous, dangerous place. I remember during the last campaign, I went and I spent the night at a sorority house, and I was asking, it was amazing because I played a game with all the girls, you know, celebrity, you know, with all the names in a hat. And they didn't know any of the people I knew, and I didn't know any of the people they did. But I was asking them about where they got their news, and I was asking about the platforms or the candidates, and they had no idea. And I thought, we have so much content out there, but so little is getting through.

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  18. Sure. But that's an encounter. Of passive aggressive Gossip And I guess the thing that I miss most, and I don't miss working in finance, but what I miss most, I prefer aggressive aggressive to passive aggressive. Yeah, me too.

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  19. That it was the first. Yeah, it's interesting. One time I was doing a story on there's a lot of off the record insulting too, like undercutting and stuff like that. And one of the top executives in somewhere I was writing about was saying, and I had not had a lot of experience, I was writing about internet people watching his own set of sexism and racism and things like, which is very different. Someone wanted to call someone an anchor monster. That's a great quote. You should use that. I said, well, can you put your name to that? No, of course not. And I said, well, I'm not going to use it. I'm not going to be your vehicle for slagging someone. This happened to be a woman. I said, I'm not going to have you use my vehicle for doing that. I'm not slagging unless you put your name. Put your name on it. I'll do the quote. Yeah. Sure will. But you need responsibility for it. And it was, no, why would I do that? I was like, I just was fascinating. But that's saying encounter.

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  20. Yes. Banking wasn't that way. Banking was much. I mean, once you made it through the brutality of the first few phases that shouldn't be as brutal as they are and you built your book of business, in my experience, you could be black, white, purple, or a woman or pregnant or standing on your head. And it was much easier in the second half of my career in banking than it was the first. And I think entertainment, I think news seems to be the opposite

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  21. 100%. Will they take advantage of your insecurity and your fear and the scarcity? Yes. Scarcity is a really effective way to control people. Like that you only get this much. And then everyone starts to eat. Same thing we were talking about with the waitress. Everyone starts eating each other

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  22. I don't begrudge his network, but when a public school girl from New Jersey walks in and there's nobody who looks like her or sounds like her, she's really got to find her own path. Now, Wall Street failed for a long time at getting other people in. Maybe they're addressing it. But as far as Kind of the more twisted things that I now see, whether it's in entertainment or media, they're much more subjective businesses where a couple of people have huge power over opportunity for. For everybody. And you know, there's only so many hours on TV, there's only so many parts in a movie. In banking or technology, hey, if you can come up with something, there's more money to be made. So subjective businesses where people's job function isn't that closely tied to profitability, I think can get more twisted. 100%. I think it's that way in academia.

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  23. Yes, but also industries that are really subjective. I would say on Wall Street, a positive is yes, in terms of racism and sexism, it was very much a boys club and very hard to get in, right? When my husband and I, we met in the training program at Credit Swiss, but when we both walked in to Credit Suisse on a trading floor on our very first day, He walked on as a private school guy who went to Princeton where he played lacrosse. So when a guy like that walks onto a trading floor, there's an inordinate amount of guys in his network who are going to help him make his way.

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  24. Be forced to tell yourself. And my sadness is that I've been part of a system for so long that I couldn't see that. And so, this is a time when Again, like I don't think it's unique to my employer. I don't think it's unique to an industry, right? Like when I remember,

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  25. Yeah, and it's funny because when Rachel Maddow talked about NDAs the other day, that's what made me think the most. Because in my mind, and I think I've been conditioned to think that, I always felt like, well, you know, there's two lanes. You can either have your story to tell and you can go tell it, or, you know, you get a settlement and then you don't get to tell your story, and that's what it is. But it's amazing to me that that's, I thought of it in such a simplistic way. Because for the most part, NDAs in this situation is unique to women. And so that. Compensation settlement is really about you had to leave your job. You maybe had to leave your industry. But the money plus not being able to ever speak that again is about a corporate cover-up.

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  26. You know what's funny? What's made me sad is when you've experienced it your whole life, you think, I argue about lots of these issues, not just my company, but all these issues. I notice it the most with my assistant. And sometimes I'm thinking, oh, you're naive and you're green. But what I realize, what I actually realized is maybe I've been inside the corporate asylum for so long that I don't know that it's crazy. And that's maybe the most upsetting.

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  27. When you and I are together talking about lots of things, every time I leave you, you've questioned something that I didn't think of. Now, because I didn't think of it doesn't mean I'm an asshole, doesn't mean I'm a bad person. But there was a page I didn't turn, and you turned that for me. We have to change that

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  28. Right? If you want an organization where everyone has, and by the way, you should want an organization where everyone has their voice heard because I'm old. I don't have any new ideas. You want the youngest people to have a voice and have a chance to speak their mind. When I look at the people who have the most questions or who are the most upset, it's they're the people who are the most disconnected and they shouldn't be across every industry. We should take our youngest people and make sure they have a seat at the table. And when there's all been all these arguments before about diversity and quotas, this is a great example of the importance of diversity of thought. You have to have more people questioning everything you do.

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  29. Listen, it's a trying time there for sure without a doubt. I think that, I mean, I'm very much focused on my show and my team. We covered Ronan's book. We didn't cover it before it came out. We covered it when it came out because I remember feeling like we're going to cover this, but I never covered any book that we haven't read. I think it's a complicated issue. It's complicated at NBC and elsewhere. And I think it's sort of a reminder of a corporate class system. Even if you look at the people who feel confused or upset, and I often feel like, well, I'm not that confused or upset. And what that exposes is the more senior people are, the more access they have to information and power. And that has to change.

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  30. And so, right? So it's like you don't get to reject her sexually. She can run as fast as you around the track and she beat you on a test. She doesn't need you. So when the world of Tarzan and Jane, Tarzan doesn't have to exist in her world. And that's hard for them to handle. Saturday Night Live described her as a stay-at-home mom with the stamina of a stay-at-home mom with five kids each who play a different sport. But she does have that.

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  31. I think she's the girl in high school who quietly was a straight A student and she's pretty good at sports and she's not interested in dating you.

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  32. Well, one by one, and we'll get to this in a second. I want to get rid of the school marm idea, Ronald Elizabeth Warren. Someone said that to me the other day, I go, when did you meet a school mom, precisely? And they're like, well, and I go, you've never met a school marm, Laura, Ingels Wilder. I said, little house on the prairie doesn't exist. You did not, you never met a school marm. There's no such thing. You've never had a teacher who behaves like that, I'm guessing. I'm guessing there's no marmish. Like, like, what do you live in 1890 and wear like a petticoat? No, there's no such fucking thing as a school marm. So stop, pick another word. And then I figured out, I finally figured out why these guys don't like her, especially guys, because she was the professor. I try and figure out who she is to them because there's everyone's something to someone or remind someone. She's the professor in college, the really good professor in college that gave them a D they very much deserved.

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  33. What I think is really fascinating is we are still, right, people vote with what's in their gut. We are still, they're just, I don't know if it's that we haven't had enough women in power yet. Right. We still just put women in these categories. There's a zillion horrible guys that we've worked for that we've voted for and nobody ever talks about who they are. Women still fall into this category of I could love her like a mother or I could love her like a woman I want to sleep with I don't look at guys that way right and women don't people don't say that out loud about women but you still can feel that guttural response and I'm like God, that's got to change.

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  34. That GE is pausing their pensions. So, like, when Wall Street's going, oh my God, I can't believe we could get Elizabeth Warren. Look at what you're doing. You are the ones that are going to elect her.

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  35. Correct. Okay, but you know what? If they're really terrified of Elizabeth Warren, then look in the goddamn mirror. Because do you know what a rallying cry is going to be in her campaign? That Adam Newman walked out of WeWork with 1.7 billion dollars and 2,000 people got fired.

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  36. That's where it's the most reprehensible when wealthy people Which, by the way, I think the president has a bigger base than we realize. Oh, among wealth. Absolutely. Remember, when he won last time, he didn't have the investor class. He didn't have Wall Street at all. Now he does.

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  37. On someone like Donald Trump. Like, some people sure you can, but you can't say the racism bothers me, but I love the tax cut. And that's what I wanted to talk about with him. And we had a great discussion about him. And whether I got through to him or not, it was a great discussion. I was like, you can't be a la carte.

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  38. I think people were surprised by that interview that I did it for one. I think people were like, how could you do that? I'm like, I'm going to listen to them because, you know, he's not the most. He's got issues for sure. And we ended up talking about being culpable for the people that you represent. And one of the things that we talked about is this idea of among supporters of Trump, like he was at the time. Now he's obviously shifted rather dramatically in the opposite direction. But at the time, he's like, I'm nice to gaze. I believe in this. I believe that. And I was like, you can't have an a la carte.

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  39. And so I think that there are tons of great, strong groups and voices, but I think if we, when I look at a Trump rally sometimes and I look at the women standing behind him and I think how the hell are they standing with him? It makes me think more Do those women ever feel like I stood with them or what is their life like? What is their human experience like? And you're right. There are tons of bad actors and terrible people. But I think there's also a lot of really good people and we got to find a way to get to them or at least connect with them.

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  40. Maybe you look at the women's movement and it gets bigger and more powerful, but is it really completely inclusive? And there's a lot of parents out there, for example, who don't go back to work because they can't afford to. Childcare, and you have a new baby. Childcare in the United States is prohibitively expensive

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  41. And people didn't And because she kind of had this perspective where she said, you know what? I've never connected with feminism because maybe it never connected with me. You know, if you look at women who have more traditional lives, like stay-at-home moms,

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  42. But my mom is sort of the strongest little ass kicker I know and she hates the word feminist and she's not a feminist. She also voted for the president. But she's somebody I love and respect and I wanted to get sort of her perspective. She's not somebody I would put on a breaking news day. And I actually worried because I remember MSNBC like put one of her quotes up and I'm like, holy shit.

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  43. And I think when you give actual time and you're speaking to unlikely people, right? I have my mom on the podcast who is the toughest. You know when I met your mom, they actually remind me of one another. They're both little. My mom's like.

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  44. I think it's about time and trust. I think TV is all about breaking news and breaking news, and you got to stay on the story of the day. And the podcast very unplug and say this story isn't in the news, but I think this thing matters.

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  45. So to that point, every night at 9 p.m. when Tucker Carlson is telling lots of decent Americans who believe that's their news, that their son won't get into college or he'll be accused of rape, I want to acknowledge that because those people shouldn't think that way because that thought process slips into the ether and we got to get it out because it's not true. But if we ignore it.

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  46. Absolutely. It's not a question of burn the house down. I think one of the issues is let's get to this news today about Twitter, for example, this free speech. You're talking about everybody, if we only talked, this is what I think there is a cynical group of people that are gaming people who have that attitude. If we only talked, oh yeah, I'm going to get in there and seem reasonable and seem like I like that person. That person's a nice person when they have appalling attitudes do appalling lies and are gaming the people who have the good sense to want to connect with people. And I think that if everyone, all things being equal, if you had differences and you talk them out, that's very different from a group of people who are just cynically taking advantage of a good tendency.

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  47. And all I'm saying is, and at the end of every podcast, I say, all right, here's what I heard, here's what I think, here's what I'm gonna do because we're not gonna change who we are, but if we can gain a little bit of perspective, I think we can get better. Now, I know you disagree with me in that. I've often said, like, you know, if we just opened our minds and hearts a little, but I've learned how naive and privileged it is for me to say that, because I've never woken up and been discriminated against because of my age, my race, my financial situation, my sexual preference.

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  48. And I asked them, and I know it's like a total stereotypical about why it's offensive to call an African American person articulate. Because when white people are sitting around a room, they often say, like, I don't know why is that offensive? And both of them said to me, here's why it's offensive, because you're surprised. Surprised that someone who looks like me and sounds like me could come across this smart. And Dana said to me, every person who's ever run Pulitzer before, I have has been a white guy. You think anybody's ever said to them they're articulate?

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  49. The future of feminism, what the future of masculinity, life after me too, forgiveness, the power of social media, just lots of topics that people either aren't weighing in on or they are. You know, we talk about white privilege. We talk about race. And I think if you have these conversations, honest ones, where you're speaking to people who you respect and they respect you. Not at risk of some horrible, offensive situation where people are storming out, right? I interviewed Quest Love and a woman named Dana Kennedy. Dana Kennedy is the head of the Pulitzer Organization. She's African American and she's a single mom. Our sons are best friends.

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  50. It's starting to escape. It's dissipating in our real lives. And then if we think we're connected on social media, but on social media, we're personas, we're not people. Right. And so all of this to me is a reminder that we need a reinjection of humanity. And it's why I wanted to do the podcast. So what are you focusing all about culture?

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