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1. “And he loves it there. He feels blessed there. He tells me one of the biggest fills of his life was not just winning the World Series, but going on the team bus during that huge parade when there were five million people, yeah. It was astounding for him. So... I think my father is here during the war, and now my son is here helping the Cubs. Well, you know what I say?”

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2. “Yes, what's the best matchup between Schwarber and this pitch or how should Lester pitch to this person? He's one of five or six. Members of the Research Department of the Cubs. He was in ways the first member that department, if I understand correctly. Recruited by...”

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3. “Yes, yes. And so he will study statistics to figure out whom to draft or whom to put on waivers or whom to take off waiters.”

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4. “And so does my wife. So, my son is a statistical analyst for the Cubs. He's a saber magician. For those of you who have seen Moneyball, he does what the Jonah Hill character does. He studies statistics, analyzing statistics. So you got that gene from your...”

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5. “Yes, absolutely. And the media sometimes makes mistakes. You know, Donald Trump even sometimes makes mistakes and makes inaccurate statements. But my concern is that there's a significant chunk of the nation now that gets its news from sources that are deliberately slanted politically and don't believe the New York Times and the Washington Post and CNN and CBS and ABC and NBC and partly the Wall Street Journal. And I worry that if there are tens of millions of people who reject the accuracy and the truth that are published in what the British called equality media And the media really have to somehow work to break through that. Well, this is part of the larger people that are there silos.”

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6. “Has been criticized a lot by the press. Why does the press attack politicians for when they lie, when they don't make good on promises, when their math doesn't add up, when they write about attack the press of fake news and attack the press as enemies of the people? So Donald Trump is the type of politician that the press is going to be tough on. Let me just”

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7. “Are working on another thing that really worries me is there's an effort to delegitimize the press. And I think the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, they try to do a great job every day and get things accurate and not slant things and Donald Trump”

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8. “I mean, you don't have the same level of assiduousness, but just to be clear, you know, people try every bit as hard as they did 10 and 20 or 50 years ago to get things right. Oh, yeah.”

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9. “There's probably less editing. Sometimes I read these 1,500 word stories on the web that should be 750 words and I think a lot of these places don't have the money for editors. They don't have the time to really spend to get.”

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10. “So I began the times in 1983 and left 31 years later in 2014 well into the electronic digital newspapers. And when I started, and for decades with you too, David, there was like one deadline a day, say 6.30, and you tried to do your reporting and write your masterpiece by 6.30, then you could go home. Now, and this was, weigh three years and four years and five years ago when I was still working at the New York Times, if there was a breaking story at 10 a.m., you had to get something up on the web in the next half hour hour. And then maybe make it better for and repost by one o'clock. And you still have to write your great polished piece by 5.30 or 6 or 6.30. So you're working much, much harder. And I think there's just in many ways much more stress than there used to be.”

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11. “So newspapers made tons of money on auto ads and real estate ads and those disappeared from newspapers and newspapers had financial crisis. So they laid off a ton of people. And that's really hurt a lot of second, third, fourth ranked cities in terms of population. Remember David Simon, who wrote the wonderful HBO show The Wire and directed said this is the best time in American history for you to be a corrupt mayor, a corrupt state lawmaker because there are so few journalisms that are kind of minding the store and trying to prevent corruption. I think at the national level, the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Propublica, I think they're still doing a very good job covering national issues, but I worry much more about local coverage.”

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12. “I think we were Watergate babies in ways. You know, we got really impassioned about journalism in 1973, 1974, when we saw the great Wyrwin Bernstein really uncover these misdeeds by Nixon and his aides. And I think we went into journalism because we thought, you know, It's not only fun, but it could pursue truth and justice. And now newspaper finances are really hurting the newspapers by and large across the country have greatly shrunk their newsrooms. A lot of once terrific papers are not what they used to be. I think the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal are still excellent papers, but many papers in the smaller.”

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13. “Have to handle grievances for them, and they'll say, We're just trying to give workers freedom to opt out of paying union dues. And the unions would say that's outrageous. They're getting all these union services for free. And the unions would argue the real reason Republicans are pushing for this was to deplete union treasuries, and Republicans don't like big union treasuries because much of that is used to help the Democrats. So when you weaken unions in the private sector, that's great for corporations. And in many ways great for the Republicans because the weaker unions are the less they can do to help the Democrats. I think one of the reasons Donald Trump won, so he narrowly won Wisconsin. In 2010, 1.5% of Wisconsin workers were in unions, and now it's down to 8%. And I would submit that if we”

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14. “No, absolutely. So, you know, when I started covering labor from the New York Times in 1995, 1996, there are a lot of pro-labor Republicans in Congress, and there are hardly any left. It's really interesting. And Republicans in Wisconsin and pushing for right to work in West Virginia recently, Missouri recently, in Wisconsin a few years ago, in Michigan a few years ago say workers should not be required to pay union dues. They should have the right to opt out. Unions would still have to represent them, still have to bargain for them, still...”

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15. “And there were all these studies that said public sector workers generally earn less than private sector workers, but their benefits, the health and pension benefits are better. I remember my mother said at the time that when I was growing up, when she was growing up in the depression, people would say, look at those union workers, look what the unions achieved. I want to have what they have. And my mother, you know, when I was on the phone with her from Madison, Wisconsin, covering the protest there, my mother said, boy, things have changed. Now people look at unionized workers and say, I don't have as much as they have. They have too much. Let's knock them down a few notches. Let's take away what they have. And, you know, I thought what you said was really profound, just a sense of...”

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16. “I'm not nearly as expert on Illinois as you are. My sense is some governors didn't make pension payments into the fund for several years. And the unions offered to contribute more, but that was rejected, and instead they decided to cut future pensions. But let's go back for a second to Scott Walker. So 2010, January 2011, Scott Walker is inaugurated as governor of Wisconsin. He says we face big budget deficit. It's all the union's fault, their pensions are too high, their health coverage is too generous. They don't pay enough in premiums. So let's go after them. Let's make them pay more for the pensions, make them pay more for health coverage. And not only that, let's essentially take away their right to bargain collectively. He and the Republican-dominated legislature passed a law that was generally popular with the public that greatly weakened public sector unions. And there were these huge protests in the street and were, you know,”

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17. “Sector workers are going to be able to unionize the needed individual states to give them the green light. And most states did. But then in 2010, when the Republicans cleaned the Democrats' clock and state after state and wondered. Yes, and one governess mansion and statehouses, a lot of Republicans decided to try to weaken public sector unions. And they said, we're doing it to help the taxpayer, that public sector unions, they argued are too strong, their pensions were more generous than many private sector workers.”

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18. “I think President Roosevelt saw that when you become a public worker, it's like joining the army. You're part of this important cause of government and helping people. And he thought they shouldn't unionize. That's like soldiers unionizing and fighting the NATO. Anyway, so in the 1960s, there was an increased movement among public sector workers and teachers who felt we're usually underpaid and we have to do something to improve our lives, get better pensions they also argue that unionizing would reduce turnover and that would help schools and that would help government agencies. And many states led by Wisconsin gave public sector workers the right to unionize. Little history. So the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 gave private sector workers the right to unionize but didn't touch public sector workers.”

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19. “With Asia, people with 12 countries in the Pacific and people debate for years whether President Obama maybe shinta pushed for it right then and there because it was going to hurt the Democrats so much. But so Trump killed TPP and that's going to in many ways help China become the main economic force.”

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20. “I think Donald Trump saw things that the Democrats, if they wanted to win, should have seen that a lot of workers accurately or inaccurately thought that NAFTA was horrible and was the main reason all these jobs left the Midwest. A lot of jobs were leaving the Midwest before NAFTA. NAFTA had an effect, but I don't think the humongous effect people thought. And Trump said, well, I'm going to stop TPP. And we will debate endlessly whether people will be Asia.”

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21. “Build a wall, I'm going to kick China, I'm going to kick Mexico, I'm going to stop factories from leaving. And I was in the Midwest doing some interviews during the campaign, and I interviewed some blue-collar workers, and they say, you know, I realized that Trump is in ways part of my friend's bullshitting us. But he shows he cares about our issues. He shows that he wants to help us. And, you know, my sense then and my sense now was that Trump was making promises that he could not deliver on and perhaps never intended to deliver on. He boasted that he saved 730 jobs at Carrier. Well, Carrie is still in Indianapolis is moving 500 jobs still to Mexico and carriers parent United Technology says a second factory in Indiana. They're moving 700 jobs to Mexico.”

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22. “He got a lot of labor votes. And I think a lot of labor leaders were surprised and disappointed. They saw that a lot of their members are backing Trump. And I think more of the members ultimately voted for Trump than they expected. And they felt real frustration towards Hillary. They felt she wasn't pushing jobs nearly enough. She wasn't pushing strategies to increase wages nearly enough. I think she really hurt her by giving those $250,000 a pop speeches to Wall Street. I think labor leaders want the Democrats to make clear that they're the party of the middle class or the moderate income person, of the blue-collar worker, and not holding hands with Wall Street. And, you know, Donald Trump in ways portrayed himself more than Hillary did as I'm the friend of the beleaguered blue-collar worker. And he said, I'm going to bring back the jobs.”

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23. “Was to, you know, in this initial announcement speech, you know, he talked about Mexican rapists and he was talking forever about Undocumented workers who committed murders. Yes, it was.”

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24. “Those who are here, they wanted to help because they thought if you're undocumented, it's very easy to exploit you. They wanted to keep out guestworkers because they thought guest workers. And one of the interesting things is labor and the business community working very closely on a lot of this. It was interesting to see this cooperation. And there was some real bipartisan cooperation between Republicans and Democrats. But things have greatly changed over the past five, six years since Republicans in Congress blocked President Bush's and then President Obama's proposal to reform immigration and create a pathway to legalization. And Donald Trump When he was running for president, One way to win to attract blue-collar white voters, and he clearly was aiming for them.”

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25. “Ah, and he and John Wilhelm head of the hotel workers really swung the labor movement behind Hispanics and a pathway to legalization. And they were big supporters working with Republicans.”

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26. “Right, but the AFS, the Federation of Unions adopted, you know, Basically, by consensus to be in favor of a pathway to legalization, the labor movement used to be very nativist and want to keep out Chinese, keep out people from Southern Europe. And under John Sweeney, who was the president of the AFLCR in the late 1990s and the 2000s, he decided that he saw that his bank workers were being badly exploited. He saw that they might be the future union members of the future. So he swung.”

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27. “On one hand, unions perhaps of all institutions in society do more to bring people from different races together. I think more so than churches, maybe more so than schools, probably certainly more so than housing. And I know Walter Ruth had tried very hard to bring white workers and black workers together and move hesitant white workers to be more favorable to the civil rights movement. And he succeeded in large part, but not fully. Maybe David Marin has disagreed. And the union movement became a champion of Hispanic workers. It thought it saw this huge influx of Hispanic workers. It saw how they were often exploited and under unsafe conditions, under unfair wages.”

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28. “It was easy for companies to pay a lot and they felt unions, we could work hand in hand with them. But starting in the 1980s, the whole attitude chose changed. And in many ways, the corporate fight against unions was helped by various labor laws. People don't realize that if you're a union organizer and want to unionize, say, a factory of 500 people, you're not allowed to set foot in the company parking lot. You can be arrested. And at the same time, the company could show you videos nonstop or have one-on-one meetings with you to tell you. The union sucks. They just want your money. I did a story a few years ago about the largest employer of Pennsylvania UPMC University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. And on the screen savers at each person's desk, there was an anti-union message. So employers in many ways have very...”

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29. “He says I wasn't trying to put unions on the defensive, I was just trying to get the airports open again and show no one could push us around. But he really set a tone, I think that emboldened a lot of corporate leaders saying it's now time to get tough on unions. But when President Reagan did this, the nation was in recession, and so corporations are really hurting, we're really feeling the beginning of global pressure from Europe and Japan. Japanese cars are starting to stream in, steel from Russia, Brazil, Romania, Belgium was starting to stream in. And the manufacturers just felt we have to really take tough steps to become competitive. And part of that was to become much, much tougher toward unions. And in the 1950s and 1960s, when the United States was the king of the hill, when there was very little competition from Japan and Europe,”

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30. “Absolutely. So when Ronald Reagan ran for president, I'm not only trying to attract business executives and the rich, I'm trying to attract blue-collar folks. And he won the support of several unions, including the air traffic controllers. But then the air traffic controllers union went on this big nationwide illegal strike in 1981. And Reagan got very tough with them. On one hand, he used to boast, I'm pro-union, I was the president of the Screen Actors Guild when I was president. I led them out on their very first strike. But then the air traffic controllers confronted him with this illegal strike. They tried to shut down their airports to get what were fairly exorbitant wage demands, and he decided crush them. Now's my time to be a strong leader. They broke the law, and he fired 11,500 air traffic controllers.”

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31. “They're one of the fastest going. They've done one of the best jobs in unionizing lots of people. The hotel workers have been very good at unionizing various hotels. Another factor which I shouldn't forget is that companies have gotten much more sophisticated in fighting unions. And also many companies pay better and treat their workers better than was the case in the 1930s and the 1940s. And a lot of people think, you know, I don't need a union. They treat me pretty well. I actually.”

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32. “Yeah, and it was the Heyday of American Manufacturing in Japan and Europe were really knocked out by the war and we weren't feeling much global competition. So after 1973, 79, the oil shocks, which weakened our economy. But more than that, Europe and Japan became big competitors. And that was really the beginning of global competition and automation was taking place too. So a lot of manufacturers really hurt. And we as a nation went from like 1920 million manufacturing jobs now down to about 12.5 million. And manufacturing was the heart of the labor movement and losing so many manufacturing jobs due to globalization automation really hurt labor. And as listeners know, many of the new jobs have been in the service sector like hotels or retail or nail salons or banks or restaurants.”

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33. “Absolutely. So from around 1946 to 1973 hourly productivity basically rose at the same rate as hourly compensation or as hand in hand and there are many reasons for that but one was that unions were strong and they helped make sure that employers shared their profits shared their prosperity with their workers”

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34. “Down to 10.7%, and in the private sector just 6.4%. So we went from a nation where one in three workers Was in a union to now, we're in the private sector, it's like one in 16. And as you mentioned in your Teamsters anecdote, unions often shot themselves in the foot. They were corrupt. Sometimes they just did a lousy, lousy job serving members. Sometimes they fell asleep at the wheel, forgetting that you have to try to grow to remain strong, to unionize the new sectors of the economy. And I think that's one of the reasons unions have gotten much weaker and union density has declined is that there are whole sectors like retail and banking where they've just done, you know, they've been asleep with it. It's hard to unionize finance, but retail, I think they could have unionized millions and millions of workers and they just have been very slow at that.”

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35. “I could talk two hours about that, but we'll try to telescope it. So in the 1930s and 40s and 50s in the United States, the labor movement was very strong. It was very exciting. People cared about it. A lot of smart kids who graduated from college would decide to join or become labor organizers. And they're kind of the new, new thing for a while. And they really, especially after World War II, they really helped build the middle class. There's a famous Flint sit-down strike 1936-37, which was lead story in the nation's papers. Walter Ruther, the head of the OEW, was one of the great men in the United States. He helped fund the 1963 March on Washington. He helped fund the United Farm Workers and the Great Caesar Cheveze. And labor was exciting. And people generally had the sense it was doing the right thing and trying to help build and sustain the middle class. In the 1950s, about 35% of American workers were in unions.”

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36. “Yes. I mean, I see in so many cities the decline of like middle level stores, like a Coles or Macy's, and you'll see Nieman's doing well and you'll see the family dollar stores. And it's really interesting. That there's kind of a polarization in the retail market as we've seen a thinning out of the middle class.”

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37. “Absolutely, and I'm sure we'll discuss that more. But yes, CEOs are under pressure to maximize profits, get their share price up, and they'll use the tools they have. And that includes, if you're making garments in the United States and paying workers $13 an hour and can pay garment workers in Sri Lanka or Bangladesh 50 cents for a dollar a dollar, 30 an hour people often do that and they'll say that's great for shareholders and deal with automation and certainly a lot of this is good for consumers it will help hold down costs but Americans are workers and Americans are consumers what might be good for them is consumers might throw them out of jobs, depress their wages, pull them out of the middle test.”

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38. “And Bangladesh and the Bolivia and Sri Lanka and Honduras. But it's probably, and I would submit it's probably increased inequality within the United States. It's really hurt the blue collar middle class”

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39. “So, first, I should point out because some economists will already be jumping down my throat, globalization has raised living standards for hundreds of millions of people.”

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40. “Going to go to 401k. Not going to get health coverage. And this is a big issue. And instead of doing anything to help these people, we see to be moving away from helping them. One of the advantages of Obamacare is it's provided some health security to people in gig jobs. If you work for a big employer and stay there 20 years, you normally got health insurance, but If you're an Uber driver or working from a mechanical turk or doing all these little gigs, you don't have health insurance. And the advantage of Obamacare or the French health system or the German health system is they provide more health security to people and it increases freedom in many ways by enabling people to move from job to job without having to worry whether or not they're going to lose health coverage.”

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41. “So, the gig economy is instead of our parents, David, we have jobs that would maybe have the same job for 20 or 30 or 40 years. And there's a lot of loyalty from the company, from the employer to the worker and the worker to the employer. Now people often have jobs for six months or a year, sometimes preparing a website for Uber. It's kind of a gig. Uber says you're not a regular worker. You're just an independent contractor, mechanical turk, you go onto this website and you do various little jobs that might take two minutes or 20 minutes or two hours and you might get paid five cents or $5 for them. And you're doing all these little things, these little gigs. And more and more Americans are doing gig jobs and they provide lots of flexibility and that's great. But if you have these jobs, you're not going to get a pension.”

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42. “Absolutely. One of my big concerns about our nation is automation and globalization are pushing down wages and making up corporate profits, increasing inequality. And when you think, what should we as a nation do about that, the administration congress are cutting taxes on corporations and cutting taxes on the very rich and hardly thinking at all about the millions or even tens of millions of people whose jobs have been endangered? And I think that's something we as a nation really should be focusing far much more on. Another thing that I think is one of the big stories out there and just we as a nation aren't paying nearly enough attention. So we are entering the gig economy. We are in the gig economy and there are millions of Americans, millions of...”

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43. “haphazard way kind of just focusing on carrier. And he said, you know, jobs moving abroad is going to stop on my watch, but it hasn't stopped at all.”

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44. “So, in the book, I talk a lot about the decline of manufacturing in the United States, how globalization has really hurt manufacturing. I went out to Galesburg, wrote about the closing of the refrigerator factory there. President Obama went out there as well. I said, I wrote that doesn't make sense to me that presidents, that governors just kind of turned a blind eye when all these companies are moving jobs overseas. And I kind of said, you know, just as President Kennedy used jawboning to discourage the steelmakers from raising prices and hurting consumers, I thought, you know, President Obama, President Bush could have done a little jawboning to discourage company. Don't give them a free pass to move jobs to Bangladesh or China or Mexico. And Donald Trump, I don't want to say, has taken my advice, but he's done some of that too. He hasn't done it in a”

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45. “Fair question. So as a copy clerk, I work 20 hours a week as a copy clerk, but then I probably wrote articles 30 hours a week and I impressed some editors that I was a smart kid. I worked at the Bergen Record. I did very well in law school. The editor I was closest to when I was a copy boy was this John Lee who had moved up to become business editor. And he kind of took a chance on me. He thought, you know, I could do pretty well. And I started out of the Times as covering basic industry, the steel industry. I spent a lot of time in Chicago. After six months at the Times, I must have done something right because they said we want you to become our Midwest economics correspondent. And I moved to Chicago. And this was a time 1984 when the Midwest was really struggling to recover from the very difficult 1981-82 recession. And I wrote a lot about some of the problems Donald Trump talks about nowadays, beleaguered blue-collar workers and what are we as a nation going to do to help them?”

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46. “I love, I grew up, my parents subscribed to the New York Times. I'd go outside seven, eight in the morning, you know, getting the New York Times. I thought it was so great and so intelligent and so fair. And I kind of always dreamt of being a reporter for The New York Times. And lo and behold, when I was hired, I was extremely happy. I was hired as a business reporter. And I remember this wonderfully smart editor from South Carolina, John M. Lee, said, this is the seat you're going to sit at. This was Tom Friedman's seat. You have big shoes to fill.”

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47. “So, right out of college, the editor in chief of the college newspaper at Wesleyan. And so upon graduating, you know, before graduating, I wrote to all the Wesleyan grads at the New York Times. There was Ted Fist, the education editor, the science editor Bayard-Webster, a wonderful guy, Evan Jenkins, a wonderful news editor. And they helped me get a job as a covey boy. And a coffee boy, I sorted mail, I got coffee, and I ran copy. People have no idea what running copy means. There was something called typewriters then, and people were type articles one page at a time. And after each page, they pull out of the typewriter and they'd yell, copy. And you'd have to run over as quickly as you can and take the page from their hand and run it over the desks. And as soon as the editor...”

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48. “After going to Columbia Graduate School of Journalism, I worked for three years for a newspaper in New Jersey, the Bergen Record in Hackensack. I wasn't usually happy there. I thought some of the managers were kind of cruel. And I said, this is a crazy profession. I'm going to go to law school. So I went to law school at NYU and did well there, got a federal clerkship with Judge Robert Carter, who was Thurkin Marshall's assistant in Brown v. Board. But I realized at law school that Journalism is more fun, it's more interesting, it's more creative. If you write a brief, you work on it for like two months journalism, you could do something different every two or three days. And you could jump around more to issues. You choose the issues, whereas in law the issues often choose you.”

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49. “So, you know, I grew up caring and my parents were concerned about social justice helping the poor. I would tell people, I went to farmer civil rights marches growing up. Then I went to baseball games. Seriously. And so one of the reasons I love journalism, and I tell students here at the University of Chicago and elsewhere, it's a wonderful field if you like writing, if you like the creativity of writing, and you care about public policy or issues of justice. Or if you want to write about the arts, or if you want to write about, go to Southeast Asia and write about life in Cambodia, Vietnam. I think it's wonderful. So for me, I love writing and there are a lot of subjects I care about. So I was attracted to journalism. And my parents are pushing me to be a lawyer. Which you briefly were. So I was always torn between journalism and law school, and I worked for three years.”

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50. “So I remember when I was fifth or sixth grade. Printing like hundreds and hundreds of copies of something. I said, this is so cool, the power of the press. You think of Gutenberg. And then in high school, I was an editor of a high school paper, and we wrote an editorial against the Vietnam War and the high school administration censored it, and we were pretty upset. And then we started a little underground paper. And that was such a thrill, you know, putting together your own paper. And again, the power of the press being able to write about things that you were important.”

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