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Susan Page

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first: 2020-10-22
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“David, it's a privilege. I've known you when you were a political hack before you were a great statesman, and it's been my pleasure from the start.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I love the OBO. I started it in the third grade. I went to music camp at KU, Kansas University in the summers. It sounds ridiculous now, but it was a hard decision to make between studying the Obo, which involved going to a music school and studying journalism, which involved going to Northwestern.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Express unhappiness. About the fact that he had been present during peace and prosperity, and it made it harder to make a big difference. Well, certainly if Joe Biden gets elected in two weeks, he's going to make a big difference.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I'd say something else if you want to be a journalist, you want to cover the biggest story, even if it's a terrible story. And if you want to be a public official, what better opportunity than to take over in a situation of huge challenges? I know I think I once heard Bill Clinton.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, in President Biden, if he wins, we'll have a couple hard tasks, right? He'll have a hard health care task. Trying to get control of the coronavirus, big economic problems. You know, we're still 11 million jobs short from where we were in January. And he'll continue to have a divided nation that includes both unhappy Trump supporters, but also the Democratic Party, as you know better than I do, has held it together to be against Trump. But there are big differences in the direction of the country that you see in the Democratic Party. And once Democrats in the White House, I think those differences are really going to come to the fore. Do you agree with that?”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I think some people tend to look at Donald Trump as kind of this figure who burst on the scene, dominated everything if he doesn't win re-election for four years and then goes away. I think that is wrong or incorrect. I think Donald Trump didn't create the situation in America that allowed his election. He recognized it and opened the door and intensified some of the trends that we were seeing in our country. And I think when he leaves office that we don't snap back to some pre-Trump era. We'll be in a new post-Trump era where maybe President Trump will be out of office, but the voters who supported him will still be around and they'll still have the grievances and the unhappiness and the anger that led them to want to support such a disruptive president.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The chapter, yes, exactly. You know, I want to. I like doing the Barbara Bush biography, and I wanted to do another book that was about someone who had been consequential, somebody I covered at least to some degree in the past so that I'd have kind of a running start, and somebody who had enough of a history that maybe people would tell the truth about things they wouldn't if it was contemporaneous. And I also wanted to do a book about someone who had been overlooked or underestimated and I thought all those things applied to Nancy Pelosi. She's less underestimated now after two years as the big Democratic counterpoint to President Trump, but she has been historically, I think, underestimated. And she has just this incredible life story that I think is not really been told.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, so I've been coming out in April. Everything's written except the last chapter, which is about 2020, the year that wouldn't end.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, it was. One of the things that's great about being a journalist is covering big things that happen. And the election of Barack Obama was a big thing that happened for our country. So in those cases, it's just a privilege to be able to see it up close. And someone who also came in with a very deliberate decision-making process about pursuing some big things, especially in those first two years when you had control of Congress as well, you know, one of the things I've been looking at over the past year is more about the passage of the Affordable Care Act. And that is certainly a big thing that President Obama and the Obama administration did. And in the wake of having to handle the terrible economy he inherited, the economic crisis with the financial meltdown. So he was an historic”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, and continues to be criticized for his decisions in going to war with Iraq, something that has cost our country so dearly. So criticism for that policy decision, but respect for him as someone who understood and protected American institutions. And he's mostly kept his mouth shut the last four years, as did his father when his father left office. But there is some thought that if there is a question about a peaceful transfer of power that George W. Bush could play a role in addressing that.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“President Clinton, when he was in office, and was able to do a lot of stories involving talking to officials about, to Bruce Reed and others about Gene Sperling, about the policies that he wanted to develop and pursue. And that was great. And it's like we haven't had that for four years. We haven't had kind of concerted policymaking in the White House. So there's no one, and you probably couldn't interview the people about it in any case. I mean, Bill Clinton, you know, had some flaws, some personal flaws, but he had to focus on policy and what it meant to Americans as individuals that I thought was great and was a lot of fun to cover.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And a guy who loved, you know, the thing about Clinton number one, he was incredibly available. He was really focused. He thought USA Today was a great outlet for him to reach the kind of voters he wanted to reach. So I had a lot of interviews with.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yet she contemplated suicide at one point. When they came back from China where George Bush had been the top U.S. official in China, they came back, he took over the CIA. And she told me that she fell into a depression so deep that she would be driving down the road and think about plowing into a tree or steering her car into the lane, an oncoming lane. And she would have to pull off the road and stop. and take a moment before then driving on. And this was something that she did not reveal at the time or since. I remember I interviewed her brother Scott for the book. And I said, were you aware of the struggle she had at that time? And he said, that's just not true. That can't be true. So even all these years later.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We had a terrible recession. We had a terrible recession and he didn't seem to be aware of it. And in fact, when Barbara Bush told me that when they moved back to Houston, you know, involuntarily after he lost re-election, she was shocked by this was in her diary. This wasn't something she was shocked by how much groceries cost. You'd spend $100 at the grocery store and you'd have two bags and that she wanted to buy a mercury car, which is, I think, just a modest, you know, medium price car. And she couldn't believe how much it would cost. And I thought, you know, if they had had a little more of that awareness during the campaign, he might have fared better.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Your fast international experience and we're lucky to have had him there, but he wasn't the right president for the next moment when Americans were so concerned about some of the things going on in their own life. And that's when...”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They were very different. I mean, really, George W. Bush is really much more like his mother in some fundamental ways than like his father, even though he looks just like his father. You know, George H.W. Bush was a hugely courteous man. He was really, that was a trait that he had. And he also was the right, I think, that sometimes we're lucky in America. He was the right president for that moment to handle the end of the Cold War. He really handled that. That was in his wheelhouse.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So his ability to connect. I mean, he could really, you know, he was a very, in a way, very private person, someone who didn't really have good friends. He had one friend, Nancy Reagan. One real friend, and yet he could connect with Americans in a way that made them feel like he understood them and was speaking to them. I think Lu Cannon said that, I think this is a quote from Luchan that Reagan said people say, how can an actor be president? And Reagan said, how can someone who's not an actor be president? Because you need to be able to kind of project and connect that way. That was one thing Reagan could do.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Other human values that voters look for. And I said, you know, Donald Trump did not display these qualities four years ago. He won't be different this time. And what's different this time, he thought, was the pandemic and the economic consequences of that. And he said, empathy is on the ballot. And I thought that was about right.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Also, the enormous soft, what we call soft power of the presidency. Presidents have a lot of hard power, of course, because they can start war, they can launch wars and set big policies. But the soft power is remarkable and important. And it's really on soft power grounds, I think some people, some Americans have so much disquiet about President Trump, the soft power of setting a standard for the nation, the soft power of being a healing voice at a time of national trauma. I interviewed yesterday Robert Griffin, who is head of something called the Democracy Project, which has a huge amount of polling. And he was talking about how human qualities that Joe Biden has this huge advantage of 30 points, percentage points when it comes to decency or empathy.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Driven in remarkable, you have to be to become president. Now that may not be true for Gerald Ford, who I didn't cover and who came into the presidency in a kind of side doorway. But these are really, as a rule, people who are remarkable in one way or another and in different ways.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So they're all different. I started with the Reagan White House and have covered to one degree or another all the presidents since then. I've done less, I bet there was a point for about 20 years where daily coverage where I was at the White House almost every day. That's not what I do anymore. But I still write about the White House. Politics They're different. One thing I assumed early on was that if you worked at the White House, you had to be a very godlike figure. You must be just extraordinary, whether you're a president or a top aid. And I discovered that wasn't necessarily true. And it was more like when I covered Smithtown Town Hall on Long Island, you know, the skills and observations.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it's not that fancy a place, as you know, it's not that fancy a place, but then we could go around the rest of our life saying, you know, as I told David Axelrod when we had lunch in the White House mess. And I'm always wondered if you were rebuked afterwards about taking two reporters to the White House miss.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I played kind of a trick on you, which I've never told you, which is when you've made it to the White House, you invited my husband Carl Lubsdorf and myself to have lunch in the mess, in the White House mess. And we both knew, but we didn't think you knew that reporters were not allowed to be invited to the White House mess, that there was a time long ago when reporters could be taken there. But that had long gone by the boards on the assumption that reporters were annoying and they were eavesdrop. And we didn't tell you this because we were so thrilled at the idea of being able to go to the White House mess. So you took us to lunch in the White House Mess where we had what I remember to be a pretty terrible lunch, I think.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. And there are some parallels between 1980 and this election, I think, to watch for. You know, before we talk about presidents, you know, I have to offer an apology to you.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh man,'cause the assumption in eighty was Reagan couldn't possibly win. The Carter people were delighted when Reagan emerged as the nominee. I had to learn that again when Barack Obama did so well in a presidential campaign that people thought a guy named Barack Hussein Obama, a black man, is going to win the presidency, you know, the assumption was that wasn't likely. And I had to learn it again in 2016 when Donald Trump won. That is an important lesson.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, one of the lessons, of course, I didn't know anything. So, God forbid anyone go back and look at my coverage of that election. But, you know, one thing I've learned, and unfortunately I've had to learn this over and over again, is just don't assume. Don't assume, you know, what's going to happen.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First, that Newsday sent me to Southeast Asia to cover the exodus of boat people from Vietnam. Which was an incredible experience. Right. And definitely a sink or swim kind of experience and came back to Washington and went on the presidential campaign covered Jimmy Carter's last campaign trip, which was kind of a death march, and then just started covering the White House in politics. And at this point, I have no other skills, so I'm very grateful we continue to hold elections.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I actually thought that there were various things I could. I just wanted to be a reporter. I didn't necessarily want to be a government reporter or Washington reporter. But what happened was there was an opening in our Washington Bureau, the Newsday Washington Bureau. Marty Schramm, who you probably know. Yeah, sure, had gone from Newsday to the Washington Post creating an opening. And I applied for the opening, not for the job he had. He had been bureau chief, but I applied for the reporter opening that had been created. and got it and I came to Washington in 1979”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The senator, Senator Percy, and they had come to complain that we had not asked for an editorial board session with them before making the endorsement. And to be truthful, it had never occurred to us that Senator Percy would entertain the idea of an editorial board session with the Daily Northwestern. And I told him that and I said, but you know, thank you very much. And I'm sorry we didn't invite you to an edit board.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I'm in the office at the Daily Northwestern one night and In Roxas entourage of officialdom. I mean, we're there in jeans and, you know, sweatshirts and in walks this parade of maybe 15 men in dark suits at the end of the...”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And can I tell you the story why? Because we were going to make endorsements. I'm not sure how much the daily endorsement Western endorsement mattered in these races. And we went back and Chuck Percy admirable figure in many ways had been coming on campus for years making speeches, portraying himself as a very different figure than when he was actually casting votes in Washington. And he had kind of misrepresented how he would vote, we thought, when he came on campus and talked to students. And so that seemed hypocritical. And we had no great truck with Roman Pucinski. We thought, well, we don't want to endorse someone who's been dishonest to students at Northwestern. And so we wrote this editorial endorsing Roman Pacinsky. And unbeknownst to me, Percy was then running an ad.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's okay. That's exactly the attitude you want. That's the response you want. And I think it's a less forgiving environment now. I think social media had something to do with that and the kind of balkanization of outlets so that it's possible to watch something that only tells you things you agree with. I think that's contributed too.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Get gray and the ability to recognize that and convey that I think is something that builds trust on both sides that you're worth reading and you're worth trusting.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there's all kinds of journalism, right? And there's opinion journalism, there's journalism that's based on reporting but has a strong point of view. Someplace like Mother Jones. Mother Jones does some great reporting. It's got a point of view. The journalism that I want to do isn't that. It's journalism that is pretty much down the middle. That doesn't mean it's not tough. It means that it doesn't assume that one side or the other side has all the answers and that not one side or the other side is full of evil and the other side is good that everything things are just more complicated than that. And one of the characteristics I think of the best journalists I know are those who are able to see shades of gray in almost everything. Once in a while you have a story that is pretty black and white, but most of the time it's more shades of”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we need to figure that out. And it's the same task that public officials face and that other institutions in our society that have seen faith in them eroded need to face. I think we do it not with, there's not one thing we're going to do that's going to address that. We need to do it a day at a time, a reader or a reviewer at a time, a story at a time. We need to do it by being very careful to be accurate and to be fair and to be transparent. You know, journalism is much more transparent now than it was when I got into the field. And that's a good thing because we need to make the case to readers and viewers that they can trust what we're telling them.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, it's different. It's very different now than it's been at previous parts of my career. There's much less trust and faith in journalist. There is an assumption of bias. There's a new suspicion, I think. And this erosion, Donald Trump didn't create this erosion. It had been going on for some time, but he captured it and has exacerbated it. As someone who, you know, I think of journalism as a fundamental part of To hold it accountable and to have the President of the United States call the press the enemy of the people is something I find really alarming. And I think that we as journalists have an obligation to try to rebuild trust among those who have lost it in the work that we do.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, well, one of my older brothers had started to get interested in journalism. And so I was kind of, that was encouraging to me. But it wasn't my father was a businessman who mostly viewed journalists with great disdain Hopefully, less so once two of his children went into that field. There's a lot of that going around.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because your job is to go look at interesting things and make sense of them to other people. Like, what could be better? I mean, seriously, what could be better? But I know that people who were born to be Teachers are librarians or politicians. I think they feel the same way. I think, isn't it so lucky those of us who found something that we just feel like there's nothing else we would rather be?”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, David, there are some people I think who walk into a hospital and they know they better be, they have to be a doctor or a nurse, or they walk into a classroom and they just know that's the place where they're meant to be. And that's how I felt like when I walked into my first newsroom at Wichita Southeast High School. It was like, what could be more fun, more rewarding, more important than doing this?”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No place better to be. Chicago 7 trial. I mean, now it was remarkable. And of course, Chicago's just such a great city. So definitely, but what it did do, no question, it definitely broadened my horizons.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So don't ever say that to someone from Kansas. You know, I thought I had grown up thinking I was from Wichita. It's the biggest city in the state. And I got to Northwestern and no one was impressed by that. So the others' views.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Once with my family in Kansas City and my father drove across the bridge to say, so we could say we had been in Missouri, but I don't think I actually got out of the car. So, yes, so going to Northwestern, which I had not visited before arriving there as a freshman, that was a pretty transformative event in my life.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, yes, that's right. Our campfire girl camp, Camp Gohami, you would walk down the highway and then the count counselor would say, now that's Oklahoma, and so you've got a foot on both sides. Now, there was no sign there. So possibly they just gotten tired of walking south.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, I'm not just from Kansas, I'm like 100% Kansas. My mom, I grew up on a farm in Brown County, which my cousin now farms. And my dad grew up in El Dorado, where he was an orphan and barely escaped going to the state home for orphan boys, which sounds like a pretty bleak place. So we're glad he escaped that. When I was born and raised in Wichita, and until I landed at Northwestern, landed in Chicago and went to my Shepherd dorm on the northwestern campus, I had never spent a night outside Kansas. It was my first time. I read that you went.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know God forbid we don't have them and that the expectation is no longer there's no framework for the expectation that presidential candidates must debate that would be I think that would be a big loss you know this is the one time the two candidates are side by side ask being asked direct questions not by a friendly interviewer not in a campaign ad that they control so let's try not to lose that even if there even if there's some unhappiness about some of the things that went on this year”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, tell me who gets selected in a week and a half. But I hope it does. Of course, it's not an official. They've got no official powers, right? It's a group of people who have designated themselves as custodians of the presidential debates. And that's in part just to try to provide some kind of infrastructure that sets an expectation that the candidates will debate. Nothing requires candidates to debate and particularly incumbent presidents are sometimes not eager to debate, as you know. For good reason. Experience, yes, for good reason. But it's good for democracy. It's a debate. And if there's an expectation that they debate. So one, you know, I know the commission has gotten some criticism, and I know they're trying to look at how things worked and didn't work.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The other concern I had was even though if you mute the mic, you don't like he's still in the room and so if President Trump continues to heckle Joe Biden, Biden will still hear it and potentially be thrown off balance and we'll probably hear it too through secondary sound through Biden's mic. So it's not a perfect solution, but I really understand how the debate commission, which I salute, by the way, for managing to pull off debates. I understand the debate commission's desire to just do something to make a more productive conversation for voters. And I know that Christian Welker, the moderator for tomorrow night's debate, is thinking hard about that too. And I feel, I know she'll, she's going to do a great job.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, one concern I have is like when the suggestion was that moderator should have a mute button, who am I to mute the president of the United States or the Democratic nominee to be president? Some would say a hero.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I focused hard for the rest of the debate to make sure they had about equal time to speak. And the CNN count, which I will never forget, was Mike Pence, 36 minutes and 27 seconds, and Kamala Harris, 36 minutes 24 seconds. And so I cannot be criticized for him getting more time to talk, although I recognize the criticism that I didn't make him talk more responsibly to the questions I was asking.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One was Axios and SurveyMonkey did a poll of debate watchers right after the vice presidential debate and asked him one word that described the debate. And the number one word that was given most frequently was civil. And the number two word that was given was informative. And if you had asked me before the debate, what is your goal for that poll, I would have said civil and informative. And one other thing that, and this goes to CNN at the platform on which we see you so frequently, one of the things that alarmed me in the first 15 minutes of the debate was how much time Mike Pence was eating up. And that in the first 15 minutes, Pence talked a lot more than Kamala Harris. And I knew that because I had these clocks right before me that. Each time they were speaking.”
2020-10-22 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 414 — Susan Page · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source