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Tali Sharot

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“Now six minutes may sound like that's not a lot of time, but sometimes there's just enough for you to get the aha moment. I can remember those instances where I came up with an idea that would then change my course of research for a long time. Those ideas that were really important. So if I think about these examples, like one example was I was in the office trying to solve this problem and I couldn't find a solution. So I decided to go to the gym. And then so I walked to the gym and then before while I was walking while I was getting to the gym, that's when, you know, the solution came about.”
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“Which, you know, on its own doesn't seem so important, but then they take that and they use it to solve a problem in a different field, technology, for example, right? That is like the most creative solutions. So how do we facilitate that? How do we facilitate disabituation in order to enhance creativity? And the answer is change, changing your environment. And it could be simple things or studies showing that if you just change your environment, let's say you're working in the office for a few hours and you go work in a coffee shop for a few hours, right? That change can actually also enhance creativity. You're sitting and working and then you're going out and walking or going out for a run. Studies show for the first six minutes, you're going to be more creative and also vice versa. For the next six minutes, you're going to be more creative.”
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“that are not important on their own, but they're just going to stay in your mind, they're going to simmer and once in a while they will create something new. And that's where innovation comes in. And really, if you think about the most creative solutions that people come up with, it's usually they take something from one field, something really boring, unimportant, mundane, and that bit of mundane piece of information then solves a problem in this other completely different field and or there is like this part of knowledge here that is and this other part of knowledge in this other field that also seems very mundane, but you put them together and suddenly you create something that is really, really interesting and creative, right? I mean, often you see, for example, people taking what they know from biology.”
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“And that is measured by the skin conductance, right? And so when there's like a sound, there's a response. So if a sound is the same sound again and again and again, most people habituate. There's no longer a response, you know, long skink conductance. But for some people, they continue responding, right? Because they're not habituating. And what was found is those people who continue responding, those were the people who already showed creativity in their life. They had a patent under their name. They had an exhibition in an art gallery. They had a book that they wrote. They had got prizes for innovative work. And the question is, why is that? And I think the reason is that because of habituation, we filter a lot of information, right? And, you know, it makes sense. The information is not important. But if you don't habituate, you're going to have a lot of bits of information in your mind simmering, objects, sounds, bits and pieces of knowledge.”
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“You know, you started off by saying for employees, you need to kind of change, right? Give them different projects and so on. And what's interesting, not only will they enjoy it more, they're more likely to get to creative solutions. Start with the fact that what has been found is that people who habituate slower are more creative. So there's different ways to measure how fast you habituate. What they did in this study is that they had a sound, the same sound again and again and again, and they measured concoctance, which shows, so it is how aroused you are when you're”
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“Unhappy as well. So you have to be like in this spot in the middle, right? That's a sweet spot. And again, it's different for everyone, right? Where it's not too easy, but it's not too difficult. So you have something to learn, but you're still progressing, and that's very important. There's a great study showing that if you put people in a room and there's absolutely nothing for them to do except to shock themselves, they will shock themselves. Like little shock, I don't mean, you know, this paper was actually in science a few years ago. So meaning that boredom can be so aversive to people that it would actually prefer physical pain than to just not do anything at all. So that's on the one hand. And then, of course, on the other hand, is when you're sitting in, you know, in a class or you're listening to a lecture and you have no idea what's, it's too much, right? Because you haven't gotten there. Maybe you'll take the steps eventually you'll get there.”
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“There's a lot of studies about this that you want a situation where you're learning something. Because if you're learning nothing, people are not engaged, right? But if it's like so difficult that you can't learn, right?”
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“Run back to your new job and do a U-turn. And the problem is that often people don't predict this. They can't see ahead, right? They think it's like, well, I'm unhappy with my new job on my first day or my second day or even the first week. That means that this is not a good job for me. You know, perhaps it's not a good job for you, or perhaps you just need to allow it sometime to adapt. So, you know, my recommendation is whatever it is that you're trying that's new. It can also be something like a new relationship, right? Give it some time because you're going to have to get used to the things that are also not great. You will also get things get used to things that are great, but you have to get used to those things that are not great. And then after a while, you won't see them anymore. So it's not going to affect you as much. So given time, now if you gave it time and still you're unhappy, sure. Yeah. Make a change.”
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“So new things can bring us joy because they're different. However, at the same time, and this kind of goes back to the vacation example that I gave you, which was people are not the happiest when they just get to the resort. It takes them time, right? It takes them 43 hours to get to that peak joy. Why? Because they still need the time to adapt, right? They need to unpack. They need to get used to this new routine. Same thing with a new job, for example. So on one hand, getting a new job, you're going to learn things and that's great. And eventually it will get you joy. But when you're there for the first day or the first few days, there's a lot of getting used to things around you, right? You need to figure who's who, right? Who's on top? Who's in the bottom? Like, where is a cafeteria? What am I going to eat? There's so many different things that you need to figure out. It can be stressful. It can be overwhelming. And you often want to just like run back to your old life.”
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“Slower habituation, slower recovery from negative events in your life. And one reason we think this is, is because depression is related to going over these bad events in your mind again and again, not letting go. Right, you're kind of like chewing over them again and again and again. And that is something that is preventing you from recovering and balancing back from these aversive events.”
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“So there is a great study that was conducted in the University of Florida by a professor Aaron Heller where he had students who just got exam results and he asked them how they were feeling. And then he asked them how they were feeling every 45 minutes for the whole day. And what you found is when people got bad results, they were feeling bad, right? They're not happy. And that's true for people who never had depression episodes in their life and people who were experiencing depression or had depression before. So everyone was feeling bad at the beginning. Those people who did not have any history of depression, they slowly, slowly, slowly started feeling better from this bad grade. Those with depression also started feeling better, but much slower. So in other words, depression is related to”
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“And people are really happy with their first entry-level job. Great. But imagine I just continue being really happy with my first entry-level job, right? I won't be motivated to move forward. So this is why habituation is there, because it's moving us forward as individual and as a society. On the other hand, it also reduces our joy. And it also sometimes causes us not to see some of the bad things around us because we have a joy to that as well. Another reason why habituation is important is for your mental health, right? And that's kind of related to what we just talked about, where bad things happen and slowly, slowly, slowly we adapt and we go back to baseline. We are able to recover, right? It's kind of our superpower, our immense ability to just bounce back for most individuals. And what's interesting is that you actually see that people with depression, they habituate much slower.”
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“Yeah, so this is a well known what's called the hedonic treadmill. So the hedonic treadmill means that we sort of have a baseline level of happiness, which is determined a lot is genetic. It might be determined by early childhood experiences. And we can move from that baseline. We can go up if something good happens. Maybe you have a good relationship, marriage, you get a promotion, it can go down if something bad happens, even bereavement. But it turns out that in most cases, you climb back to your baseline level of happiness. So these things, they can go up and they can down, and then you kind of adapt, right? And you end up trying, you know, and this goes back to this idea that we're trying to get all these things. We think of once I get this promotion, then I'll be really happy. And then you get the promotion and it's great. But then after a while, you just go back to your baseline. Now, on one hand, this actually is not a bad.”
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“Yeah, they're do a whole bunch of surveys to figure out what are the factors that are most associated with people's happiness. And the number one was meaning, right? People who could say, I have meaning in my life. That was number one. Number two was control. People who felt they have control over their life. And I don't remember what number income was, but it wasn't especially high. Oh, I think social. Social connections was really high as well. Right. So a lot of these things were these psychological things, not necessarily material things that really induced people's happiness and satisfaction from their life.”
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“Right. So then it is what is our best life? So I think when people think about what my best life is, what they're thinking about is, oh, I want that great house, right? I want that great partner. I want money or, you know, and then you can get all of these things, but if they remain constant, that's just not going to be your best life. And you can engineer this. I mean, even if it's like midlife and everything is set and you're in one house and so on, for example, you can go take a course, learn something new, right? A new field that is not your own. You can go a new sport, right? There's things that you could do, go visit places that you haven't been trying to make connections with people that are a bit different from your regular crowd that you're interacting with. It's a little bit hard to do because it's going to require effort. The easiest thing to do is just continue. Same, same, same, same.”
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“You wake up in the morning and you eat like the best breakfast that you can think of, right? And then you interact with the people that you love the most and you go do the best activity like what you want and you see your favorite movie. So the whole day is your favorite, favorite favorite favorite things. Really great. And then you wake up the same the next day and you do the same. And then you wake up the next day and you do the same, right? A weekend, a few weeks in, the best day of your life just doesn't elicit as much joy, right? And also, there's nothing to learn anymore. So even if you're living your absolute best life, if it is the same again and again and again and again, it will eventually be a little bit even depressing, I would say.”
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“Now why does then happiness go back up after midlife, right? So we don't know, but here is one speculation that at a certain point in time maybe you're retiring, then actually life changes again, right? In an odd way, there can actually be more variety in change in learning. You need to learn how to live life again. With this new context of not going to work every day, and you might make decisions, all sorts of decisions of what to do with your time, which will require you to learn again.”
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“and so on. You learn a lot, you gain skills, you get to perhaps a good position, and then it's sort of plateauing, right? For a lot of people, it can kind of plateau in midlife. Perhaps they have a good job, right? But they're kind of stuck. They're not really moving as much. They're not learning as much. Less variety, right? Things are a little bit more routine. And that could be one reason why happiness is relatively low in midlife. It's also hard to see what is next sometimes, right? While you're climbing up, it's you're kind of, well, this is my goal, but once you get there, it's a little bit disappointing to some extent, even if you've done really well, right? Because as we talked before, one thing that is really important for our happiness is kind of us believing that we have something to gain, something to go forward to.”
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“Yeah, absolutely. It is well known that stress is the peaks in your midlife and happiness goes down in your midlife. Suicide, for example, peaks especially for male in midlife. Definitely like something that we should think of and notice. And we don't really know for sure why it happens. But one thing that happens in midlife is that you have a lot of stressors coming your way. So we're talking about 40s and 50s. So you have, you might need, you have little kids that you need to take care of, maybe you have elderly parents that you're worried about. Professional life has a lot of stressors in midlife. So that's really a time where we see the midlife crisis. But one thing that we think is that perhaps this is also a time that you're not progressing as much, right? So kind of in your...”
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“Yeah, I think it is a case that probably, you know, in recent years people are reading less. And we kind of forget the joy of reading, whether it is fiction or non fiction. I think the difference between reading a book than watching a video is when you read a book, there is an extramental activity that you're doing, which is you're imagining you're visualizing, right? It's also in your own pace. So you read something and maybe that illicit triggers some kind of association in your mind, right? So you might like stop for a little bit and then continue. So there's so much more going on. And I think because of that, when you read a book,”
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“If you're exploiting all the time, then you're unlikely to find these new things, riots, that will actually be great for you. You will learn, gain you pleasure, and so on. So it may not be a coincidence. And I think in a lot of these traits, almost every psychological trait that you can think of, they are individual differences. You can go all the way from one extreme to the other extreme, right? If we're talking about optimism all the way to pessimism, exploration all the way to exploitation, right? And everything in the museum. And normally it's kind of a bell curve of sorts. And I think it's not a coincidence, right? Because if you think about a society, a group, a team working together, You do need these variations for people to push each other in different directions such that as a team we get to the best that we can get.”
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“That is perhaps the case that people who like to explore end up with people who like to exploit because to do the best that we can in life, we need to do both. So maybe it is, you know, this balance Individuals because if you're left on your own and just exploring all the time. You might not get to the optimal balance in life.”
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“No, I haven't, so I don't necessarily think there is. And I don't necessarily think that it is a case that men are more explorative or more exploring. But and this is not based on data. This is just my observation. I often hear that people say, I like to explore, but my partner. Likes to do the same, or I like to just do the same all the time, but my partner likes to explore. I hear this again and again. It's true in my own relationship. My co-author, Kath Einstein, who wrote the book with me, he also says exactly the same, right? So for him, he likes to exploit and his wife likes to explore. For me, it's like, I like to explore my husband likes to exploit. And I hear this again and again. And that makes me think that it is not a coincidence.”
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“Yes, and I think you want a little bit of balance. So some of this kind of routine and things you're familiar with. There's something nice about that as well, right? So it's not, I'm not saying. Every weekend do something completely new, right? But just so you have your kind of routines and then, you know, you insert some novel activities or something new. So it's kind of a balance between exploring new things, but also exploiting the things that you enjoy.”
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“Okay, so just thinking about habituation related things, I would say two main things. One is Breaks, meaning. Having some distance once in a while, right? And the second is doing new things together Because if you're always doing the same thing over and over and over, which couples sometimes do, there are like a few things that they like to do, right? Because it's hard because Each person has their own preferences of what they like, and then you find an overlap, and that overlap is not necessarily huge, so then you just, you know, do the same thing over and over. So I think as a couple, it is good to explore, and I don't necessarily mean like sexually, but just everything, like what type of movies you're going to watch and, you know, what type of activities. And that can also expand your experiences. Together, right? On the point”
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“Akabi just overwhelming because there's, you know, for like too much cognitive resources, right? Anything that we do that requires An amount of cognitive resource that is above some kind of threshold can feel aversive. So having a choice where you have to choose too many things, that's not good. On the other hand, not being able to choose anything, that's not good either. So you want to be somewhere in the middle.”
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“Because it is well known that first having a choice is really important for people's sense of control and for their enjoyment. And once they choose something, they like it better than if someone else chooses for them. They really, you know, one thing that we really don't like, humans really don't like, and actually other animals as well, is having no agency, having no choice. That causes anxiety. So we do want to make sure that people have a choice. At the same time, you don't want to have too many options because that can be overwhelming, right? There's the famous experiment where people are given an option to choose between 60 different jams and some people are so overwhelmed they just leave the store empty-handed. So you don't want to go to write too much choice.”
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“That's too much. So that's not good. Okay So here's what I think about choices. First of all, you don't want to give people no choice at all, right? So if there's a restaurant where you get no choice at all, I don't think that is overall a good idea. I mean, what you could do, for example, if you want to have a restaurant where there's an option that the chef decides. Still make it a choice, right? So you can have on the menu. Chef's choice, but I'm still, you know, sitting there and deciding, okay, the chef is going to choose for me, but that's still my choice.”
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“Yes, so the idea is that you always wanting a little bit more. Intermittent meaning there's breaks, and then you always, and it's incomplete because you always want A little bit more. And I think that quote is you can apply it to almost everything, right? Even to food. There's another fun experiment where they have two groups and one group was given mac and cheese to eat, which they really liked every day for a few weeks. And of course, they liked the mac and cheese of the first day. They liked it on the second day. But after a while, they couldn't see mac and cheese anymore. They really did not want mac and cheese. While the other group got mac and cheese just once a week, and they enjoyed the mic and cheese much more, right? And so it's true for food, it's true for music, it's true for our relationships, it's true for vacations.”
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“It's related to habituation, Freyate, but it's also related to where your attention is. When something is always in front of you, you sort of stop attending to it because it's always there, and so your brain then goes, okay, what else do I need to get, right? But if they're not there, then your attention can go back to them. And then there is a more basic level of how pleasure works. There's this great quote by the economist Tiber Skitovsky, and he says that pleasure results from incomplete and intermittent satisfaction of desires, right?”
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“Yes, and I'll tell you what the day is, which is so obvious, you think, is like, why do people even do a study about this? But there's one study, and it simply shows that when people are away from their partner, their desire, their sexual desire for the partner goes up.”
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“Yeah, so I think it does. And I think the solution is very similar breaks. And I don't mean like a relationship break. What I mean is have you know an evening for yourself. Go on a weekend, perhaps, on your own, and then when you come back, everything kind of resparkles.”
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“Which is hugely beneficial for your well-being, the anticipation part before you're actually even there at the resort, wherever you're going.”
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“Right. So you're trying to think about how I can maximize my enjoyment, right? And when it comes to vacation, maybe one good idea is instead of going for a two-week vacation, during the year, maybe, you know, have a few long weekends vacations. Now, of course, if you're flying somewhere far, then you might not be able to do it. It's a cost and so on. But you might consider instead of going to this far away vacation for two weeks, maybe you want to go somewhere closer to home, but have more of them because then you get more firsts. You also get more after glows. So that's when you're coming back from vacation and you're still happy because you were just on vacation. And you're also getting more of the anticipation of the vacation.”
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“And why is that? Well, we think the reason is that first you get to the resort and then you have to unpack, you know, all of that. And then you start really enjoying it. And then the joy goes down and down and down over time. You're still enjoying your holiday a lot, but the peak is within 43 hours. And then the related second bit of data that we saw is that when we ask people what was your favorite part of the vacation, people used one word more than any other word and it was the word first. So they said the first view of the ocean, the first dip in the water, first cocktail. Right? They enjoy the second time they went into the pool, the third time, but they enjoyed the first the most because first are kind of novel, right? The second time you enjoyed a little bit less and the third time you enjoyed, you still enjoy it, but not as much as the first time.”
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“And one of my favorite examples is actually vacation. So holidays. So I did, I was working on this project with a big tourism company in the UK, and they wanted to know what makes people enjoy holidays the most, right? When do they enjoy the holiday the most and why? So we did surveys and we went on these resorts to interview people. And we found two interesting things. The first was that the peak of enjoyment was 43 hours into the vacation.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because you think, you know, intellectually, you think, oh, these AdWords are annoying. But I think what's happening, and no one's actually done this exact experiment, but they should. I think that, in fact, people may enjoy your podcast more with the ads, even if they go through it like that. It's a little gap. It is possible. And that was my thought.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right again, everyone says I prefer the one-hour massage, but again when they did the study and they ask people how much did you enjoy it, the group who had breaks ended up enjoying it more.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so you habitually a little bit, but then you go back up. So, overall, you're enjoying the music more. And they did the same with massages. So what do you prefer? A one-hour massage or twenty minutes massage break, twenty minutes massage break, 20 minutes massage break.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Gaps in it. And in fact, what's more interesting is not only did they put caps for different groups of people, they did different things doing the gaps. Maybe there's quiet. Maybe there's annoying noise. And it didn't matter what they did in the gaps. When you had gaps in the song, people enjoyed it more, which is really counterintuitive, right? And they were willing to pay twice as much to hear that song in concert. So why is that? So if you hear a song that you really like, it's really joyful, but it turns out that over the whatever, two minutes, three minutes, four minutes of the song, the joy kind of goes down. You habituate a little bit, right? If you have a break, the joy is quite high and then it starts going down. There's a break. And so then you go back up, right?”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, you want to hear it? The fourth thing. Right. And you think you would enjoy it more, correct? Yeah. Okay, 99% of people say exactly what you say, right? I'm going to enjoy the song more if I just hear, I listen to it continuously with no bricks. But counterintuitively, when the study was conducted, it was shown that people actually end up enjoying a song more if there are breaks.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, would you prefer to hear that song from beginning to end, no interruptions? Or would you prefer to hear it with brigs? Yeah”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so smell is really a good one because that happens really, really fast, right? So if you put a perfume in yourself, it really smells strongly, but then you put the same perfume a day later. You don't smell it as much. A week later, you don't smell it as much. So those are really easy to see around us. But I think to me, the more interesting ones are habituating to things that we enjoy a lot and then we enjoy less and less and less and things that are really bad, but we stop noticing. So for example, there's a great study in which people were asked to think about a song that they like. Tell me a song that you like or even an artist that you like.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. We need the resources to be ready for the new thing that is coming your way, right? Which can be threatening, or it could also be really great, like, you know, food or something that you should grab. And that's basically why we stopped responding. Of course, if something is hurting you, right, you will continue responding to that, which is why it's a little bit difficult to habituate to pain. That's one to pain, yeah.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's because if something is in front of us for a while, and we're still alive, nothing bad happened, right? Then the brain doesn't really need to respond to it anymore.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sound, if you hear the same sound again and again and again and again, you're no longer conscious of it. You're no longer responding to it. So that's just perceptual habituation. But habituation is also true for the fundamental things in our life that we really care about. And this is why people can have really great things in their life. I'm sure you do, right? Maybe like a great relationship, a good job, or a comfortable home. But what's interesting is that after a while, those things don't bring us the daily joy that they should because we kind of have to it's sort of like what is thrilling on Monday becomes boring on Friday. And the interesting thing is that's true also for the not so great thing around us. So there might be bad things around us like sexism, racism, cracks in our relationships or inefficiencies at work. But if they're there all the time after a while we don't notice them and if we don't notice them we don't.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, so it's something really fundamental. You see this in every living creature. And I think to me, that's what's so interesting about this, right? Because something that seems to affect every part of our life from our relationships to our mental health, to our ability to innovate, you can actually track it down and you can see it's in every living animal there's this habituation. The fact that neurons respond less and less to things that don't change, right? And that's true for things just like”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, you do, yeah. Yeah. So then if you're moving your eyes, then the input into different Norns change. And then you consciously perceive the colors again. And I think it's the same in our life. If everything is consent, we don't perceive the goods and we don't perceive the bad. But if we move our eyes enough, you know, metaphorically, then we'll start noticing and feeling again.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, this was a discovery by Austrian physician in 1804. What he discovered is that if you look, you have to not move your eyes, so fixate on the black cross and don't move your eyes. The colors fade away, they become gray. And if you're really good at this, I've done this a few times and I was able to do this. Actually, the gray goes away and the whole thing just becomes white. Why is that? It's because the input into your neurons, if you're not moving your eyes, is constant. So the neurons are just getting the same input, so they stop responding. They're like, well, there's nothing new here. You know, let's save our resources for something else that's going to come along. So you stop noticing the color altogether. And that is habituation. Now, once you move your eyes, Apollo comes back, right? With anything.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, what the book is about is about habituation, and habituation is basically the phenomena which governs basically every part of our brain, which is we don't respond to things that don't change. When things are constant, where they're not changing, our brain just stops responding. And once you do change, things around, even a little bit, then we start responding again. And at work, you know, it's often the case in big companies, for example, that people will take employees and will let them rotate through different divisions once in a while, right? Because if you're staying You become complacent to some extent, right? But once you change, you're now talking to maybe a little different people. Maybe the projects are a little bit different. Then you start encoding again, it also enhances your creativity.”
2023-11-16 · The Diary of a CEO · No.1 Neuroscientist: NEW Research Explains Why Life, Work & Your Sex Life will eventually get Boring! (HOW TO STOP THIS HAPPENING) Dr. Tali Sharot · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT