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Tanni Grey-Thompson

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“Absolutely. And you see what it does and has done through history in terms of how people are treated. So I think one of the things I saw, you know, which makes me passionate as an athlete being able to travel to lots of other jurisdictions, countries around the world, you see how disabled people are treated in other places as well. So actually, although it's not horrendous here, and there's lots of other countries that are worse, it's still not the way I would like it to be. And it's just so easy to dismiss great swathes of people and just say they have no value.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To an extent, you have to be balanced, you know, and just, I don't think I'm ever flippant about what I say. But no, it does make me very careful because you have to weigh up if I say this, what's the backlash? Or how do I get to that point in a different way”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You get it, and I'm very lucky my family are hugely supportive, but it is difficult because people are angry and they write to us and they have to find a way of expressing anger. And you have to find, you know, as an individual, I think the first letter I got calling me every name under the sun, you're like, And you have to try and put yourself in other people's shoes. But I've had pretty serious level of threat against me for having political views. And that does make you think about, you know, where you go, when you go, who you connect to, where you live, being very careful disclosing where you live. And things like that.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, there's guidance out there, and I think everybody should have the right and the ability to be physically active. That is really important. But actually where people sit within that is complicated. And saying, you know, it hasn't come out of nowhere, but it's really picked up in the last couple of years.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Me, there's because I come from a background of Paralympic sport where we're used to classification and we're used to people being in and out. I didn't see it as such, if you said to me a few years ago, I wouldn't have seen it as such a difficult debate to have. I wrote an independent report for the government back in 2017 on duty care and sport. Trans inclusion was one of the things I was asked to look at. Nobody raised an issue on it because they felt the rules at the time were kind of fair to everyone. So we're now in a situation where we're talking about fairness and safety and inclusion. And we've got to find that balance.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the Supreme Court judgment, it hasn't taken any heat out of the argument. It's a clarification. But I think there's been a problem in society about women talking about anything. The amount of hate that women MPs get compared to male MPs, I think, is really challenging. But in terms of sport, it makes me smile when we say sport and politics shouldn't be linked because they are inextricably linked. And if you look at the development of sport, it's all male sport, you know, going back hundreds of years in history. Women were sort of the addition to that. Women have had to fight for a long time to get equal rights in sport. So women were only allowed to do the marathon in 1984 at the Olympics. They were only allowed to do the pole volley in 2000 because there was a paper written that if women did the poll vault, their wounds would fall out. It doesn't generally happen. So I think for...”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“More enforcement of the existing rules. Enforcement of existing rules would be a good thing. Okay, one thing I will celebrate, there are a lot more accessible toilets than when I was growing up. It'd be great if they weren't used as a store cupboard. But still, if I go somewhere new, I don't have a tea or coffee or anything to drink before I go because I don't even know if I can use the bathroom when I'm there. So, you know, although there's loads better things, it's still we don't have the same access as non-disabled people”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I can go to the cinema now, but I can only go with one other person. I can't go with a group of friends, same with the theatres. So trains, I can only travel with one person on some train company. Yes, it's but I sound like I'm really, I'm generally quite a positive person.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She takes some shit absolutely, it's still there. Yeah, and I try to react okay to it because actually I kind of see part of my role is not to lose my temper, it's trying to educate people. That is sometimes quite difficult to do.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I flew recently with my daughter and two members of staff as I'm talking to them about my access needs said to her, so what does she need?”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is my personal space, and you wouldn't go up to somebody else and just grab Bun by the arm and start taking them in a direction they don't want to go. So it is about actually saying, you know, what helped you need, not assuming that I'm a wheelcho, I can't do anything.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So taking people with us, it's actually just that bit about the same think about disabled people. You know, think about how important. So there's recommendations on training and support and, you know, look, we've probably got about 20 recommendations. But a lot of it is thinking about how disabled people are treated. So, you know, not leaving them on a plane, not losing the chair, you know, not pushing you when you don't need it, not talking down to you. Those things are really hard to deal with.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That one happened late at night, and I was going to Paris the next day for the Paralympics, and I ended up having to crawl off the train. And I've since found out what happened. They forgot me. But I can still do that. There's lots of disabled people who can't. So, and then it's on the today program, and then it sets the news agenda. So I get it in lots of ways. And then in Paris, the Prime Minister has been asked about me getting on off the train. And I'm fine because I did have one chief executive of a train company sort of hand over his cards with his personal mobile number. She went, just call me, just call me. So I did say, yeah, I'll take it. Yeah. You do realize I'm going to put it on social media.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So trains were meant to be step free to train by January 1st, 2020 at every government's allowed derogations, kick the can down the road. It's now going to be 100 years before trains are step free. And so, you know, I can't get on a train in the vast majority of the country without the permission or support for non-disabled person. So you have to go and say, can I get on the train? Is that okay? And then you get treated like I get treated better than most with trains at one main line train station in London. That's the one who posts on social media.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“20% of the population and it just feels like still a fight. So I do a lot of work on trains and doing some work on aviation. And”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very similar. You've got in an 800 meters is my best was 149. In a debate, you've got three minutes to take the chamber with you. So it's yeah”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I was like, what? And she's like, You'll lose your breath. Like, what you'll feel better for two minutes, but what's it going to achieve? Okay. Yeah. So it's knowing in the chamber what you can say and when you can say it.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I speak about whatever I care about. I'm never there to speak on behalf of disabled people. It's using their experiences to try and bring about change. And I think the thing with law is figuring out how the landscape works. So in sport, you need to know the rules of engagement. You know what you can and can't do on the track. You know what you have to do to get selected, you know, what you have to do to get through to the final. And it's just transferring all that into actually understanding how the companion works, what you can and can't say in the chamber. I remember there was one late night where we were talking about bedroom tax. And I was about to say to everyone in the chamber, tell you what, should we all add up how many spare bedrooms we've got and rent them out to people we don't know. I had a colleague sitting next to me just went, no.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, you made them speeches fairly terrifying because, and then everyone writes lovely letters saying it's the best maiden speech they've ever heard. And then you think, oh, that's nice. Then you realize that people do that for everyone. There's that unknown. But again, coming from sport where you're constantly having to challenge yourself, I think that helped because also in sport, you get used to asking questions all the time. You know, why do we do this? Why are we doing it like that? Why don't we do that? How do I do this? So I don't think I was afraid to ask questions. I think for some people coming into the Lords, it's quite hard because if you've been sort of, you know, really high up in a job somewhere and you're used to being the expert in absolutely everything, it's harder to do that.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, if you ask me about an issue, I would have always said I'm probably slightly left of centre. But then I go all over. Yeah. So”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, only when I'm asked, but my parents were amazing, so dads especially. So at the end of every year, my father would say to me, right, you spent all your money travelling, you don't have a pension, what are you going to do when you grow up? So from, and he was very keen, you do a degree and then you can be an athlete if you can make it work. So every year I had that. And so I always was thinking about what next. And I think that's really important because I don't want the best thing in my life to be something that happened 30 years ago. all the way through i was thinking what else could i do and i did other things and i sat on different committees and i did a bit of tv and radio and and thought about it and certainly um my last paralympics was athens i knew that was absolutely it but then i took two years to to really plan so that's the control freak bit in me is is planning what's next”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She did grow up thinking a long jump pip was at the beach. We used to tell it was the beach. To say, Do you want to go to the beach with your bucket in Spain? We used to just leave her in the jump pit. She's fine about it now”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That And for me, it was about every time you go out trying to get that perfect race. And it's not just time, it's not just medal. It's like every segment of the race is from a perfectionist in some parts of my life and they're not in others.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think a little bit if it's that, but also I loved competing. I loved me against everyone else. I played lots of sport as a child. I loved that bit with track where you get quicker. And because it's measurable. So I played basketball really badly. And you can't really measure it. You measure in how many baskets you score or, you know, but athletics are so definitive. And that's the bit I loved about it. When you break your personal best by 0.01 of a second, which is about, you know, you can't even see it.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's hard because I'm much more laid back now than I used to be. But there is some kind of drive. And it's quite complicated because it's proving to the world that I could be good. I don't know whether it's anything to, I hate the phrase overcome in my impairment, but is it that? I think some of it's proven to my parents that I could be, it's quite complicated. But when I was in it, it was interesting.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And some of that helps and hinders as well, actually, because I get a little bit of why shouldn't an ex athlete be involved in politics and go, okay, that's quite interesting. But I think the resilience you get from sport is really helpful in politics. I lost more races than I won in the whole of my career. I won some important ones. The public reaction you get when you win or lose as an athlete is interesting. So if you lose publicly, you get a lot of people telling you how rubbish you are. And that helps going into politics because people have a view. I'm treated three ways. One is an ex-a-thlete lovely. One is a parliamentarian bitmix and the other is just a disabled woman. There is a lot of comeback for working in politics.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No one don't think anyone did except. So I don't remember this conversation at all. But apparently the Lord Lieutenant of South Glamorgan said to my dad when I was 21 that I was going to be in the House of Lords one day. Now, I don't remember that until I got to the House of Lords and my sister reminded me. So I don't know if that's.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not really. So I actually did a politics degree at university, but that was more, it was at Loughbrun. I wanted to go. I was doing history. And the plan was law. And they shut the history course down. So I was like, I'll do politics because it's similar. I did very grandly say to my head of department just before I graduated because all my year was going to work in politics. And I basically said, I'm never going to work in politics because it's for losers. So that kind of came back to me. I was interested, isn't it? That's why you say you're a party.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Age of 10 I mean, I'm not sure I understood it, but my parents saying you need to understand why we're fighting for you. And basically, my father threatened to soothe Secretary of State for Wales over my right to go to mainstream. And I went to mainstream nowhere near where I lived. And, you know, it brought other challenges. But, you know, I did not need special education. And what I then saw were children who could walk who needed a different education never got it. So in my school, there was a group of children called the remedials, which is horrendous when you look back.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So they found the work of Mary Warnock, Baroness Warnock, who work on education, found the stuff she'd done. There was a line in it that said, I had a right to be educated in the best environment for me. My parents, I was 10, were giving me white and green papers to read.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And my parents looked at what special education was at the time, and we'd gone to the, it wasn't a local school, but school in South Morgan. And there were children at 15 playing with sand and water. And my parents were like, you're not doing that. And you could do four exams. So you could do CSEs. You couldn't even do O-levels. It was art, English language, home economics, and religious education. That was it.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Started using a wheelchair when I was in primary school. My head teacher just didn't tell anybody that I was a wheelchair user because I should have been taken out and sent to special school. So then when I was going to high school, I thought I was going to go to the same school my sister was at. And we then had a letter from that head teacher saying, we don't take people like Tanya R school. My mum was really mad. In a wheelchair. Like tunny, yeah. And I think that it said something like we've noticed tannies in a wheelchair.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, shame because it's, you know, what would that say about the family when my parents never felt like that? And they were really strong and they had to be.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She didn't know me, you know, so it's this, you know, sort of undefined thing. And she understood at that point that actually having a disabled child was really difficult and prognosis and, you know, care. And I've got an older sister. And I think part of the reason Really struggled with me being a wheelchair”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She was She was really open because she said because the diagnostics for spinobifida weren't really around when I was born, she was really open. She said, if she'd known that I was going to be born with spinobifa, she probably would have terminated the pregnancy because the attitude to disability back then was really bad. And people got upset by that. I mean, she never said, haven't had you. I wished I'd terminate it. Because, you know, that's a very different conversation”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I was a little bit older, probably seven eighths, having, you know, had multiple conversations with my mother about it”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I was five when the first person stopped me in the street and asked me why my parents hadn't aborted me. And my mum sitting down with me and I was saying that person just said, what's abortion? And my mum talking it through.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's because people have this view of disability and impairment that it must be like the worst thing in my life. I mean, I've had somebody say to me, oh, if I was incontinent, I'd want to end my life. So I'm incontinent. I have to catheterize. If I don't catheterize, I work myself. It's not the worst thing in my life. But it's that image of what could be the worst thing. And then this comes back to the rhetoric of disabled people, you know, poor life, don't contribute. It all keeps going in circles. It's kind of very much under the radar, but it causes lots of problems.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we think of terminal illness as cancer leukemia, but actually there's loads of conditions which could count as terminals. So if I got a pressure saw and it didn't heal, I could very easily be given a terminal diagnosis. I've had friends who've died from pressure sores. So it's how it gets used in practice. And that's the worry because if your choice is, if you have a carer, you have 15 minutes in the morning to either change your inconsonance products or eat, then actually life becomes absolutely intolerable. And for me, you know, I'd be dead if it wasn't for the NHS. Absolutely. And I want to protect it for my daughter in future generations. And I can see very easily with the level of coercion that is around that if somebody said to me, do you want to save the NHS? Yeah.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, if life is so intolerable for disabled people, and this bill passes, there will be disabled people who think the only choices to end their lives. And every jurisdiction that's brought into law has changed, has expanded or changed the jurisdiction of whether you're a resident or not. when we talk about terminal ills i mean it sounds brilliant you know terminal illness to dr subtlewish the the devil's in the detail”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I lost a philosophical argument back the last time we did welfare reform, which was about can you change the system to show if you get benefit, what can you do with it? Because there's lots of ways to contribute to society, whether it's volunteering. It doesn't necessarily have to be paid work. But unfortunately, that doesn't fit into a nice easy system. So you have to prove what you can't do. And then that actually leads to people not doing things. So we need to do something. It's just the what?”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we absolutely need to reform the system because it is not sustainable. As a country, we can't afford to keep going the way we have. And over the years, personal independence payment has expanded. And when you look at the number of young people that are on benefits, that can't be good for us as a nation. But it's how you change people from being out of work into work. And that's the hard bit to fix because public transport needs to be more accessible. We need to have more than just tick box compliance. I mean, there's various different schemes over the years about getting disabled people into work. Actually, companies need to do it and actually employ more disabled people. There has to be meaningful jobs as well. And that's another challenge.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I agree with that. It's then what happens next and how it translates into a more public view of disabled people are pushing too much and they're not valued in society. And it's how it translates, I guess, to the word on the street and into other news headlines and other discussions.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's things like that. So, you know, making statements are important to do and it's important to raise those things, but it's the tone in which they're said. Because the underlying tone is that everyone who claims personal independence payment is a scrounger, is doing it legally, is cheating the system. I get personal independence payment and it's there basically to buy my rights for living in an accessible society. Only a third of the London tube stations are step free. I can't get on a train without the permission or support of a non-disabled person. Everything costs more if you're disabled.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think some of stuff gets played out in the media, so politics is changing. You know, when I first went to the Lords, peers didn't do interviews. And I remember doing some interviews on what I was working on. Someone said, oh, no, that's not your job. And I said, well, I'm trying to explain to people what I'm doing. You know, I do find it fascinating that government statements before they're made in the Commons Chamber tend to be on the today program. But that's about directing the day's news. So I think we've got to accept the world's safe.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and that's led to individuals experiencing an increase in hate on the streets, people being told, people like you shouldn't be around, you're taking money out of the states. And I think it's complicated because 2012 was the most amazing Paralympic Games ever. But I do get frustrated when non-disabled people say to me, well, that changed the world because there is still discrimination in healthcare, education, housing, public transport, employment for disabled people. And there's been bits of shifts, but it hasn't been enough. And so the fact that only 50% of the disabled people who can work are in a job because of discrimination, that shows how much further we've still got to go.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's happened over the last few years in terms of benefits, scroungers, sucking money out the state. Everyone's got a free car, who's disabled, who gets PIP.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, I always say that I never vote without absolutely understanding why I'm voting. And I should be able to explain in a couple of sentences why I voted a certain way. Not that anyone ever asks me, but that's my personal view.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Interesting, you say self belief because I throw up before every single race I did, so it's quite complicated in terms of, you know, I've done all the training I could ever do. You're totally prepared for that moment when you're in the start line. There was still doubts. And sports for me was about having really good people around me, you know, good coaches, good training partners. Politics is the same, you need good people around you either to help level you, to support you, to give you information. And I think there's ways you can challenge things. You can challenge things without being rude or aggressive, but just by asking questions and keeping thinking about, okay, what's the best we can do? So for me, being the crossbench and not being strung by what I'm told by my party leader, I mean, the best and the worst thing about being a crossbencher is no one tells me how to vote, which I love, because I think I'd really struggle. But then there are times when you go into the chamber and you just think, I don't know.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's relatively similar in terms of, you know, if you're in charge of a set of votes and if you change legislation, and sometimes winning a race is your first and everyone else isn't, sometimes you can change the law by not doing very much in the chamber and not do much publicly, but working behind the scenes. So it's similar to a point that when you're doing things and you've been the best you've can and you in politics, you've tried to improve the law, that can be about, it can also be deeply frustrating. I remember being there, my daughter was very young doing welfare reform. I think I'd lost four sets of votes in a row and ringing home. And my daughter's say, no, daddy's made me watch the Parliament channel. Oh, great. And she went, you know, having a good day, are you? She's only about seven. I went, no, not really. And she went, don't worry, we love you. Great, thanks.”
2025-05-30 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Tanni Grey-Thompson One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source