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1. “Sarah's instinct was to hold her head up to avoid choking. And here I was telling her, Sarah, I want you to hang your head in the water. I want you to let it go. And she discovered when she let her head hang in the water that she could glide and her body didn't sink and she could just glide effortlessly maybe five or six yards. And that's kind of a life-changing experience for someone who's always felt that they were sinker.”

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2. “In a 20 yard pool and swimming about two thirds of the way down and not being able to get past that two thirds point. So what is it? It's an inability to breathe. If you can't get air, you can't carry on. But you can't just start in with breathing because there's a series of skills that you have to learn first. So what did we have Sarah do first doing a glide, a very, very simple glide with arms extended at shoulder width? We called it Superman. It's Superman. I was instructing Sarah to just glide to just hang her head between her shoulders, which is a non-instinctive thing, but exceptionally important. In fact, it's counterintuitive.”

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3. “Right. Well, you know, here I cited the statistic earlier of only 2% of American adults can swim 400 meters nonstop. Only 30% can swim 25 yards, just one, you know, one length of your local pool, only 30% can swim one lap non-stop. So that was you, Tim, as I recall. Your story was you and a...”

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4. “No, no. Very, very small bits, what I call mini skills and micro skills. We always teach in a step-by-step fashion where each step leads naturally to the next and is a scaffold for the next step. So I meet Sarah at the pool on Monday morning. We began the shoot on Monday morning and I said, okay, well, let's see what you can do. And the cameras are rolling. And Sarah swims about six or eight strokes furiously just flailing away with her head out of the water, head just whipping back and forth. And then she needs a breath. And what does she do? She stopped. She can't breathe and swim. So she had to stop. And she did that a few times. And I knew I had a pretty good idea what I was going to say. And you probably recognize that from your own experience, Tim. Oh, sure.”

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5. “Very, very complicated and challenging instructional environment with all the technical people around and all the cameras and the reshoots and all of that. Yeah.”

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6. “A day one morning, one afternoon. And I wanted them to rest up for the afternoon. They would go out for a bike ride or a run and come back all sweaty. So, I wasn't thrilled, but the proportion of triathletes grew so rapidly that by about the fourth or fifth year it was 70% triathletes and we were doing just freestyle.”

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7. “What I had been teaching two age groups swimmers because these people were all very conversant with swimming. A lot of them had swim when they were kids, you know, not to mention having an Olympian. And they were all very comfortable in the water. And everything that I did worked well with them. And a couple of them said, I improved more in five days than I have in the last 10 years. So that was something that I found I enjoyed. I found worked well with the people. And I continued doing that for the next several years. But I had master swimmers the first year. And the third year I had my first triathlete come to one of these four-stroke camps. And first of all, they were mainly interested in freestyle, not in the other three strokes. And secondly, when we finished a pool session, we had two pull sessions.”

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8. “Had six swimmers the first week and nine the second. I had an Olympic swimmer, a 1948 Olympian from Holland who was now a resident of Canada, Ottawa, and came to the camp. And so I taught those people what I had been teaching for 20 years, or not 20 years, but 18 years.”

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9. “Adults, and so I did June of 1989 at Colgate University in Hamilton, New York, I had the first ever total immersion camp. Where did I get the name Total Immersion? Because I didn't want to call it Terry Loughlin Swim Camp. To me, that was like calling it some guy's swim camp. I thought I needed a better name than just my name. So I was reading a magazine one day and I came across an ad for Burleitz Language Schools and they were offering what they called total immersion language courses. And I said, that certainly works as well for swimming as it does for language. So I chose that name and then waited about five years for a letter from their lawyers telling me to cease and desist before I went to a lawyer and found out, oh, I can trademark total immersion swimming, which I did finally. So I had total immersion swim camp in the summer of 89.”

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10. “Start swimming again, and I'll go to that masters nationals and see how I like it. So the takeaways I got was that everybody seemed to be having great fun. And I was super impressed by the people in the 55 and overage groups, how fit they were and how fast they were. And I thought, I want to be like them when I get to be that age. So I was introduced to master swimming and I thought, well, if I coach these folks, I probably won't have any parent problems. And so the next summer I decided I was going to hold a summer camp. The summer camps for kids were a common thing. Like other sports were week-long and longer summer camps for different sports. So summer camps where swimmers were something I knew well. And I thought I'd offer one.”

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11. “Well, I wasn't away from Ko Ting very long. I actually was an assistant coach at West Point with a responsibility to be, my portfolio was coaching technique for everybody on the team. My good friend Ray Bassi had just taken over as head coach and he asked me to help him make the transition during his first year. So I did. That was 1988-89 when I had started the writing and stuff. And I enjoyed just working on tech, always had enjoyed teaching technique. And in 1988, in August of 1988, I resumed swimming. I had not swimming 17 years since college. And I saw that master's nationals were going to be in Buffalo, not far from my house. So I thought, well,”

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12. “And all these hedging strategies. And so I ended up, I earned my living primarily through writing about international corporate finance, which is kind of a crazy thing during the time that I wasn't coaching.”

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13. “And one of my classmates was the editor of a magazine on corporate hedging, on how multinational companies hedge their currency risk, which was much greater in those days before the unification of the Eurozone. There were all those currencies in Europe. And so they were at great risk of currency moves and interest rate risk and political risk and commodity risk, all these forms of risks that you undertake. And so he said, what are you doing? I said, well, I'm doing a little bit of magazine writing. He said, why don't you send me a clip? And he ended up giving me assignment. And it turned out I was pretty good at interviewing and distilling the information and writing about it, even though I knew nothing about puts and calls.”

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14. “Yeah, it ended up being writing. I had started doing just a little bit of writing while I was still coaching. I wrote one article for Swimming World Magazine and wrote a few other things for newsletters. I always wrote a piece for our club newsletter from the coach's perspective. And I found I enjoyed communicating by writing. And I thought I would try. So my wife, Alison, I started a marketing communications, very tiny little mom and pop agency called Main Street Communications. We lived on Main Street in Goshen, New York. And we wrote speeches and PR stuff and things like that for small businesses in the area. At the same time, I started writing articles for small local magazines. And then I happened to go to my 20th high school reunion.”

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15. “Separating the arms from the legs and training, disintegrating the body, in other words. So the two types of engine building is really all that I had ever heard emphasized. And that was the first thing. And I'll come back with another anecdote later to tell you why this resonated with me. But the other thing that he said was that conditioning is something that happens to you while you build, refine, and imprint skills. And just the fact that you would first look at the skill component, first look at the skill impact of any training set or task you give. And that the metabolic component, the conditioning component, Would be a factor of the difficulty of the skill task as opposed to just say to the swimmer, I want your heart rate above 170 for the next 20 minutes ready-go.”

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16. “Any vessel and should be designed to move through the water with as little drag and as little turbulence as possible, and engine building referred to both building the aerobic engine through cardiovascular conditioning and emphasizing how powerful the pull and kick is by doing what I call arms department legs department.”

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17. “Rochester, New York, and he got up and started speaking, he just write from his opening sentences, It blew my mind. He was talking about things I had never heard. And the most thing that he said that has stuck with me ever since that two quotes of his, but the first was, he says, the shape of the engine is more important than the, I'm sorry, the shape of the vessel is more important than the size of the engine in swimming. And every coaching talk I had been to over the previous 16 years of going to coaching clinics, everyone had been about engine building. Not a single talk about vessel shaping. What do we really mean by this? That, well, boomer says that a human body moving through the water should be treated like”

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18. “Clinic, it's the top coaching clinic in the world. And I was invited to talk on a topic related to age group swimming. And then immediately after I finished my talk, I was sitting in the back of the room sort of decompressing with some coaching friends. And I had intended to go see Randy Reese, the head coach of the University of Florida at the time, and a guy who had coached many Olympians and world record holders. And by the way, the brother of Eddie Reese, who's a coach at University of Texas at Austin, and probably the most successful coach we have in the United States. So I was going to go see Randy Reese and learn how to coach World Record holders and Bill Boomer completely unhurded little-known coach with a really unconventional approach to things. He was a coach at the University of Rochester.”

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19. “Yeah, so I'm 37 years old and I have more money in the bank. I also had a 14-year-old daughter who was, I was thinking, oh, I've got college costs coming up. And coaching just didn't pay well. I was one of the most successful, most respected coaches in the United States, in the age group ranks. I had never earned more than $15,000 in a season and had no money in the bank. So I just decided I was going to cast about and see what else my native abilities might allow me to do that might pay better. But I still wanted to coach. I still wanted to be keep my hand in it. I was invited to the American swimming coaches association world class.”

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20. “And one of the boys, their parents came to me and complained bitterly about my forcing their son to do that. He had no problem with it. He didn't have an objection or had not raised an objection, but because it was going to hurt his chances of winning the high point award. And, you know, and I'm thinking about his long-term development, not whether he wins the trophy at age 12. And in the end, the other boy, his parents were fully supportive, he and his parents were fully supportive. And he swam the breaststroke events. And I decided it wasn't worth fighting that battle, that if it was that important, I'd let him not swim breaststroke. But the other boy swam the breaststroke and ended up winning the high point award.”

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21. “Yeah, well there was one time where I had these two really sensational 12 year old boys. And when I had really good swimmers, I would make things a little more challenging for them. I didn't want it to come too easily because at age 12, when you're a dominant swimmer, you're not used to being challenged. So we got to our season, our state age group championships. And I said to the 12-year-old boys, out of the eight events you're going to swim, you can choose six, but I'm going to choose two. And they both knew what it would be. It was going to be that they were both going to swim breaststroke events because that was their weakest event. And I wanted them to have at least one or two races where they really had to race and not just race each other.”

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22. “So I actually met Bill Boomer in 1988, and I was just ready to step away from coaching. I had gotten burned out. I still love coaching. I love teaching, but I had gotten a little burned out on dealing with parents.”

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23. “There's no way any change in conditioning, anything I could have done in workouts could have produced that improvement. No way at all.”

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24. “In a collegiate championship meet. And as four swimmers each swimming 100 yards or 100 meters. And in the four years that I was in the conference, the conference record for that event improved from 325 to 323. And as it happened, I was fortunate that when I In one night, they improved seven seconds of what it improves two seconds in four years. And everybody's jaws were hanging around the pool. And I realized, oh my goodness, what have I wrought? I had never done anything that you would suggest distinction of any sort in my life prior to that night.”

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25. “And we swam against Kings Point for four years. We swam in the conference championship each year. And I took my team after doing all this technique work and radically reshaping their strokes, I have to say, to the conference championship at the end of the season. And we just set the place on fire. I just could not, you know, even having coached them the whole season, I just was, my mind was kind of boggled by the times they swam simply because nothing in my experience prepared me to see swimmers improve that much and swim that fast compared to the previous year. I'll give you one example, sort of the premier event in college swimming is the four by 100 freestyle relay. It's always the final event.”

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26. “Start Well, the powerful impact of working on technique and not neglecting conditioning whatsoever, my swimmers were very well conditioned everywhere I coached. But the conditioning was always subordinate to the form. In other words, I would stop a set if I wasn't satisfied with the form. They might be swimming fast. They might be swimming their hearts out, but if I was not satisfied with the form, I would stop the set, redirect, and restart the set and say, you must maintain your form. The beginning of my conviction that that was an absolute, that swimming success is based on superior form came that first season at Kings Point. I had swim in that conference for four years. I swim for St. John's University.”

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27. “Different from a lot of colleges in that there were no athletic scholarships. And so your reason for swimming came down to you got excused from unwelcome, unpleasant duties like cleaning out the latrine and marching in reviews and stuff like that during the length of the season. Or you really wanted to swim. And I saw there was a big overlap between want to swim and good form and faster swimming in lane one and escapism and poor form and slow times in lane four. So, you know, then it was a matter of how to engage them as well. And I found that these technique challenges that I was giving them and the little puzzles to solve and so on brought. Out in them a certain zest for the workouts that had not been there before.”

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28. “More taller in the water. They look longer as they stroked, and they were markedly smoother, and the swimmers in lane four were shorter and more choppy and more rough. And I thought, I'm just going to experiment with them and try different things to see if I can make them look more like the swimmers in lane one. Another interesting thing happened when I started engaging with them. And as I said, the coaching I got was already go coaching, where the coach would give you a set that lasted 30 minutes and then just sit and watch you. But when I was working with them on technique, I was engaging with them in a much more intimate manner. And I pretty quickly noticed that there was another difference between movement form, between quality of form and speed, which was that Kings Point was a little bit.”

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29. “Positive response to my first seat of the pants experiment in stroke work that I thought I'm just going to carry on. And I did. And it was not difficult. I had never been an assistant coach. I had never taken a coaching course or anything even remotely related to sports science or swimming or biomechanics or any of that. But I really trusted my aesthetic judgment. I trusted that what looked good was good. And I had an example of that. I had a four-lane pool and there was a hierarchy where the fast swimmers were in lane one and the slow swimmers were in lane four. And as I cast my eye across the pool, the swimmers in lane one, the fast swimmers, looked...”

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30. “For warm up, we were going to, I was going to ask them since it was related to their breathing, I gave them 800 yards of freestyle. But I said, I'd like you all to breathe on the wrong side. Because we all start our swimming with a right side, a side on which we are naturally more comfortable. And the other side, we don't breathe to it because it feels more awkward and uncomfortable. So for the next 10 to 12 minutes, I had a markedly more symmetrical team. And I said, that can't be a bad thing. I didn't know the first thing about biomechanics at the time. It just seemed evident to me aesthetically that anything that moved”

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31. “And I watched them from the end of the pool, and it's the first time I'm ever watching swimmers. And, you know, where I'm in the situation or the responsibility of well-being responsible for their performance. And I must have been watching with a keener eye than I ever had before because I noticed that every swimmer in the pool was asymmetrical. Those who breathed to the left torqued and twisted in that direction and those who breathed to the right likewise. And it just occurred to me that, you know, if the object is to move to the other end by presumably by a laser line, that it's not good in every single stroke to be diverting momentum and energy off to the side. So I went home that night pondering what I'd seen and what I might do about it. And I decided that the next day.”

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32. “Because I was just such a high turnover swimmer. And as far as I knew, how else do you swim fast except by moving your arms faster? So I'd gone through eight years with not a word about technique except that one time. And then I was the coach of the Merchant Marine Academy. I think I had 12 men in a four-lane pool. And I gave them a garden variety warm-up of 800 yards of freestyle takes about 10 to 12 minutes to do.”

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33. “Yeah, this is, it's such, it's a foreshadowing and an unbelievable foreshadowing of how I would spend the next 40-odd years. You know, first of all, to preface it, I have to take note that I had swum for eight years before I became a coach. And I was a very hardworking, very frustrated swimmer. And during those eight years, I can remember one occasion when a coach said anything to me about technique. So I got, you know, if you take your cues from what your coaches do, they put workouts on the board and then said, ready, go. And nobody said a word about technique except for this one time. One of my coaches said, Lachlan, you'll never swim fast. If you don't move your arms slower, that was the only input.”

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34. “But then they had the Red Cross 50 mile swim chart at the pool, as all pools did in those days. And you could get a badge for swimming 50 miles. And I had 11 weeks in the summer to swim 50 miles. So at age 13, I decided I was going to earn that. And I discovered I really loved the solitude of doing laps. And I just through doing the laps to earn the 50 mile badge, which I did, I turned myself into an okay swimmer, certainly not one with any sort of efficient technique, but one who could swim a mile a day. Not many people can. And I managed to turn myself into a mile a day swimmer at age 13.”

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35. “And once a year meet. So they were going to have a few practices and then swim in the diocese and annual meet. So I tried out. I didn't even have to swim the length of the pool. It was the width of the Farmingdale Community College, a six-lane pool. And when I got across the pool, there was a coach in full clothing in the water next to me who had jumped in, jumped in to escort me across, not sure I would make it under my own power. So needless to say, I didn't make the cut. Not an auspicious start. And the guy who cut me is still a friend of my parents, and we still laugh about that.”

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36. “And I swam as we all do when we take that first swim in deep water, which is frantically. And I got to the raft, gratefully pulled myself out, and then called a lifeguard to bring me back, escort me back safely, as my mother tells me. So that was my start. And then I... Pool opened. We didn't have a pool at that time in Williston Park, where I grew up. And they opened a pool in 1963 when I was 12. And I took the Red Cross swimmer course and got my Red Cross swimmer badge and joined the pool, the swim team at the pool. And then in eighth grade at St. Aiden's School, my Catholic Grammar School, they announced a tryout for the swimming team. And there is not a lower more grassroots level of swimming than Catholic diocesan.”

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37. “Ah, yes. Well, my dad started me when I was about eight or nine. And my very first serious swimming experience was swimming at Bar Beach on Long Island. You were on the South Shore. I was on the North Shore in Hempstead Harbor on Long Island Sound, Bar Beach, and they had a raft anchored, I would guess, maybe 30 feet offshore, 10 yards or so. And I used to watch with great envy. I used to watch my dad swim out to the yacht, to the raft and beyond. And he would come back and he would have me do Dead Man's Float and move my arms in circles. And I would sort of practice in the shallows. And then one day I just screwed up my courage and decided I was going to make a try for the...”

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38. “Message from his friend Marilyn Bell, who's another fantastic story. And she said, Paul improved, I think his time minutes and changed to 12.53 this morning. So I immediately texted back to both of them saying how thrilled I was about that. And then Paul texted me back and he says, yes, I went in with a plan to... To improve his time and his strategy was that he was going to swim even more quietly than before. And you go faster by swimming more quietly. I mean, it's just the whole unexpected nature of what he did and the unexpected nature of his strategy. Very great. cool story.”

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39. “Butterfly, amazing, he swims freestyle in Decks, Roke. He's happy with those two strokes. I'll tell you something else that's really remarkable about Paul. So he took his first lesson at 94. He was still gaining speed at 97. I don't know if there's another example in physical capability of someone improving between age 96 and 97. The way he timed it was he swam a 20-length routine, which he continues to this day in the 50-foot pool at Woodland Pond. He does it 20 lane routine where he swims two laps of free and one of back until he's done 20 lanes. And his time for that 20 lane routine improved incredibly in the first year or so, but it was still getting faster between age 96 and 97. In fact, the day he improved his time at 97, I got a text.”

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40. “Because we looked identical and just exactly alike. And I was so proud of him and to take this a little further, November 18th, I will be attending his 100th birthday party, and he's still swimming 20 lanes a day.”

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41. “So Alice told me about it, and our daughter Betsy was going to teach the lesson. So I showed up. I had to watch this. And I saw Paul Swim Freestops pretty nice. And then he tried a few strokes, a butterfly, excuse me. And after watching him swim for about 10 seconds, I said, Paul, I think your second stroke should be backstroke. And I said, I offered him the ultimate senior discount. I'll come to the pool at Woodland Pond at no charge and teach you. And I ended up teaching him about three or four lessons. And when he was 95, we shot a video of Paul and I swimming together doing what we call sink swimming where I synchronized my stroke to his. And I posed the question on the video. Can you tell which swimmer is 62 and which is 95?”

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42. “It not only had a pool, it had a chorus, it had a wood shop. And Paul just decided he was going to take complete advantage of everything that they had there. And he had never been very serious about swimming in his life. So he ordered one of our DVDs at age 93 and taught himself a pretty serviceable freestyle. At 94 he happened to knock on our door. We have an endless pool in our basement. We call it the swim studio and we teach people from all over the world. And Alice answered the dorm. My wife Alice answered the door. And she said this very slight man drew himself up and says, I'm Dr. Paul Lori. Can someone here teach me an effortless butterfly?”

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43. “Paul is a pretty amazing person. To give you an idea, he retired from, he was one of the real pioneering pediatric cardiologists in the field of medicine. He was a giant in the field. And he retired from practice as a pediatric cardiologist at age 68 and moved to Albany from Los Angeles. to be close to his daughter. And this is at age 68. And for the next 25 years, he was an emeritus professor at Albany Medical College. So he taught his final seminar in pediatric cardiology at the age of 93, which will give you an idea of how unusual he is. He moved to New Paltz, where I live into a senior living center called Woodland Pond, and it had a pool.”

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44. “That side of things And that has put you in really rarefied company, Tim. I mean, there are not very many people who can swim a mile in a pool, but to swim a mile in an ocean, it really, really takes it up another notch. Only 2% is a pretty authoritative estimate that only 2% of American adults can swim as much as a quarter mile nonstop. So you're in rarefied companies swimming a mile in the ocean.”

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45. “And the fact that you can enjoy them so that's the best part. It's not that you can swim 1K, but that you can take advantage of these lovely swimming holes that are really unique places and in a complete way.”

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