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1. “Well, I'm an optimistic person probably by inclination and by will. So by inclination, I guess I really view life as fleeting and mortal and painful. That's the base. And so every day then I meet people I really like and are really cool. And so I'm continually meeting people that cause, you know, that are kind of exceeding expectations. I think I do have a little bit of a kind of a dark Catholic view of our mortality, but I'm meeting wonderful people doing wonderful things every day that are always putting me in a good mood. So that's kind of my inclination. I just see people doing great things and they put me in a good mood.”

   2016-10-24 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 90 - Tim Kaine · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

2. “I think he said, I think what he said is, I've got a surprise. Well, I think we got a surprise for WikiLeaks, which is you may think that you can destabilize an American election, but you're going to find that you can't.”

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3. “Most of our thoughts and our doctrines about war were really developed in the notion of war was state v state. But, you know, we're at war now against a non state actor that doesn't follow the Geneva Conventions, that doesn't follow any of the normal rules. And so it's time for us to take that now outdated authorization and really think about what we are confronting and work together to reach some legislative executive accord about what it is we're doing. And Hillary has said that that's something she wants to do very early in her administration.”

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4. “I am. And Hillary agrees with me on this. We may have a slightly different take on how you would define the constitutional legal powers of the legislative and executive branches. But Hillary believes that this current battle against ISIS, but against non-state terrorism more generally, that's based on a 60-word authorization that was passed on September 14, 2001, when about 70% of the current Congress wasn't there when that vote was cast. And it's morphed and changed in terms of what the battle is, and the groups are changing, that it's time for Congress to get back in the game and refine and revise that authorization and really look at what it is to be engaged in military action against nonstate terrorist groups. She really believes Congress has to do that because our troops deserve to know that Congress has their back. But probably if you think about it, David, the challenge that we're grappling with now is most”

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5. “At a minimum, they're trying to influence and destabilize and raise questions about the legitimacy of the election, but I have no doubt that he would rather have Donald Trump as president than Hillary Clinton, because Hillary Clinton will be tougher.”

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6. “Fundamental view? I do. And look, I think he has an authoritarian view. The Putin discussion is very real. I mean, first time in my lifetime, a foreign government is taking active steps that have been completely verified to try to influence the outcome. You think Putin wants”

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7. “I think there is. I lived in Honduras. It was a military dictatorship. Nobody could vote for anything. I came to understand things I took for granted about our system, and I don't think you should be trying to tear down a central pillar of our system in the way he's trying to do.”

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8. “Why does it matter? I mean, It doesn't matter what Trump says, but he shouldn't be whipping up animosity in Do you think he's trying to do that? Yeah, absolutely. I think he's trying to. Now, the peaceful transfer of power is not just because of presidents and candidates. It's also something that voters have embraced. And so I don't think he's going to be successful in it, in whipping up a lot of animosity, but you shouldn't try to do it at all. Is there a danger in it?”

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9. “Well, I'd say it's pretty simple, is that he is a whiner and a complainer, and he won't take responsibility for anything. So he's always going to blame somebody else. And the way he's chosen to do it is very destructive. I mean, after a campaign of insulting virtually every group, I'm going to get to the end and I'm going to insult the very democratic traditions of elections and peaceful transformation. Why does that matter?”

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10. “Yeah, we saw 14 to 15 the first time you're seeing wage growth really tick up and the poverty rate drop, that's great. But we got a long way to go and we have to show people that there's a ladder for them to climb. Too many people in this country still don't see that ladder.”

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11. “Yeah, when I got elected governor, I'm going to give you an example. I got elected governor. We were mining about as much coal in Virginia as we mined in the 1950s, but with one-tenth the workers because of mechanization, this was before anybody was griping about the EPA. This was before natural gas pricing dropped or we were worried about climate. Just the sheer mechanization had reduced those jobs and we're seeing that all over the country. So we have got to work. And the only way to do this will be by bipartisan because, you know, I think we're going to take the Senate, but we won't have 60 votes. You need 60 votes to legislate. We're going to have to put a meaningful economic package on the table. Infrastructure will be a key part of it, but other things too. Certainly skills training, education, that will give people a sense that there's a ladder for them to climb. President Obama, 15 million new private sector jobs, unemployment rate cut in half. He's done so much good.”

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12. “Press meaning government. Government. I mean, there is some connection between Bernie Sanders' success and Donald Trump's success in the campaign. They're very different people. I'm on the budget committee with Bernie and a huge fan of his. They're very different from a policy standpoint. However, they both are laying a critique against a Washington that doesn't work in regular people's interest, and that critique is finding some real traction. And so I'd say that Hillary and I have to do that. We've got to regain trust in the...”

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13. “Whether you're Well, look, we've got to regain trust in the enterprise. So there's a personal component for her and me, but we got to regain trust in the enterprise too.”

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14. “Nor is it mine. I like talking. I mean, I wouldn't be a sender, but I'd rather talk about others or policies or whatever. I don't think it's natural.”

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15. “There's some of it. I think some of it's being a woman. I think you grew up now. She's 10 years older than me. So I think about my wife's own experiences. And then I go, okay, now 10 years before what it would have been like, you know, boy, if you're going to try to make it, it's a man's world. Don't show your emotions. I think there were a whole series of things that women in Hillary's generation have had to bust down a lot of barriers and do things. And I'll add to it. I think I kind of get Hillary for another reason. She's a Midwestern kid who grew up in a manufacturing household with Republican parents and church was really important in their life. We Midwesterners, and I know you grew up in New York City. New York. I grew up in New York, yes. And now I'm Midwesterner. But, you know, our milieu is don't talk about yourself. The politics of today is, you know, tell your personal story and make everybody feel great about your personal story. I mean, Barack Obama is so good at that. And so many others are so good at that. That's not her natural MO.”

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16. “Well, at the end of that, we had a ton of information, and Hillary had elicited in a skillful way, but we had one other thing, which is we had a 28-year-old kid who thought, man, I feel 10 feet tall. The president of the United States, a future president of the United States, a future vice president of the United States, just made me the center of attention and asked me a lot of questions. And I got to show what I know. And to me, that's a really, really cool Hillary story. And I've seen her do it with staffers. I've seen her do it with people at the State Department. I've seen her do it with regular citizens on the trail. Listening is a trait that's in short supply these days.”

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17. “One really penetrating question after the next, and I was asking questions too, and it went on for just about the same period of time, maybe about 45 minutes.”

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18. “Here's a missing part of politics, but it's a missing part of life. We don't have enough good listeners in the world. Hillary's a good listener. She is a good listener. I have been with her on a number of occasions and seen her interact with regular folks in ways that make me very touched about her listening and good heart and good ear. And I'll tell you one funny story. We went on a bus tour right after the convention. And it was my wife Anne and me and Hillary and President Clinton. And one day we were in Western Pennsylvania, I think it was Somerset County, and Bill said, Somerset County, let me tell you about Somerset County. He went on about a 40-minute, just dissecting precincts 9296. And it was like a PhD class, right? Well, the next day, we're over in Ohio, and we're all sitting together. And I asked some question about Ohio. And Hillary goes, that's a really good question. Hey, Aaron, get over. She called the staff. He was like 28-year-old kid. You're sitting in this chair. We want to ask you some questions. Then Hillary just started asking.”

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19. “Her numbers What I see in Hillary, I'll give you two things. First, I view character in public life the best way to view somebody's character is, do they have a passion? And do they have a passion that showed up before they were in politics? And have they held on to that passion come hell or high water? Whether they're winning or losing in office or out? And Hillary's got a passion. And it's the empowerment of families and kids. You know, she got asked in the debate the other night kind of a closing argument. Just give us a minute. And she said, I spent my whole life trying to empower families and children. And that has been the consistent theme through her life. And so I know that when she wakes up and when she's turning in, she's going to be thinking about that. And we've never had a president who has made that their life work. And so that is a way of looking at character that I find compelling. And I see that in her. Second thing I see in her...”

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20. “Seeing you sure. Well, I'm going to say first, and I'm going to answer your question directly. I'm not sure anybody's going to ever run for president again with good approval ratings. Post Citizens United, what can be done to just dump anything on anybody, whether it's true or not, and do it at such quantity? I worry a little bit that every race in the future is going to be between people who are viewed unfavorably. And the question is, you know, who is more unfavorable than the other?”

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21. “They're not a K. Yeah, I'm going to be a strong man supporting the first strong woman to be president of the United States. And as important as it is to normalize that a woman can be president, it's also important to normalize that strong men can support a woman as president. And given how many strong women, starting with my wife, have supported me, I really like that aspect of this team.”

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22. “Out, I think this is the perfect time right now. It is the perfect time for Hillary to be present. I'll tell you something else that I feel about my own role. When Hillary asked me to be a running mate, what kind of flashed through my mind was I've been in politics for 22 years as my ninth race. In all the previous eight races, I've been the guy with my name on the ballot and the bumper sticker and the yard sign. And I've had all these strong women supporting me.”

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23. “I wouldn't change anything about that decision along the way. And I feel like this moment is the moment for Hillary Clinton to be president for so many reasons. I mean, isn't it odd, David, that here we're in a race where we're going to make history, I believe, doing everything I can to make sure that we can, electing the first woman president of the United States in a race where the other side is somebody in Donald Trump that has so much baggage in terms of women? I don't think Donald Trump can look at a woman and see an equal. So this is a real pairing of personalities. Do we make history or do we sort of go backward on the issue of women's equality? The other thing that I'm really mindful of, the next president is the president that gets to lead the commemoration of the centennial of women getting the right to vote. I think it would be poetically just for the person leading that centennial to be Hillary Clinton. So there's just in the way history works.”

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24. “It's really interesting. It was a hard decision back in 2006 in one sense because I didn't really know Hillary very well back then, but I knew what an amazing public servant she was. And so in that sense, I felt like I'm choosing between two really great people. But I knew Baroque so well by then and I didn't really know Hillary. And so that made it a little bit easier. But I think this, I'm so excited to be Hillary's running mate. You know, one of the things I'm going to do is...”

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25. “Surprise you based on your own experiences? No. Absolutely not. I mean, I see the world as through the perspective of a guy who's been a civil rights lawyer in the South. I haven't been surprised at it. There have been some things about it that, you know, they disappoint me. But still, if you put it net net, his election, the people's reaction to him, if you look at his approval ratings now. That's quite popular. Yeah, it's been an advance beyond what we had before in terms of our ability to work together.”

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26. “I do, I do. I think there's been a level of disrespect shown him that I find saddening. But that's not by everybody. I still view his presidency in every way, not just as election, but also as presidency, as an advance beyond what we were before. The very fact of his election, the very night he was elected, he created a class of success oars who'd never been able to see themselves as president of the United States who now could. And then he's done a number of good things. There have been ways he's been treated that I, you know, make me feel bad, but still net net.”

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27. “And I'm like him in another way. 32 years of marriage and a whole lot of teamwork and a whole lot of different venues has taught me something important. I think the best teams are similar values and different temperaments. Barack and I are similar values and similar temperaments, but I actually think the reason that the Obama-Biden relationship has worked well, because I think they have similar values, but they have different temperaments. What the different temperaments gives you is the ability to look at all sides of a challenge and make sure you're seeing all the sides of it. And that really ends up being a strong team. And so I thought President Obama would need a national security expertise that I didn't have. You were governor, yeah. You were a governor. I have a new governor, right? Yeah.”

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28. “I told him I would do it in October of 2006. And then when he announced in February 2007, I'd gotten to know him. Barack, first time I met him, I said, hey, I hear you giving this speech about, you know, my dad's from Kenya. My mom's from Kansas. Where's your mom from? He said, El Dorado. I said, that's where my mom's from. So my mother and maternal grandparents are from the same town as his. And then there was just something about that that just sparked a connection. And I have huge admiration and affection for the president. It's not like we, you know, hang around or chum around a lot, but I just know how his mind works. I think I understand the guy, and he definitely gets me.”

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29. “I do. I think we definitely do because here's the other thing. To do community policing right, it's not just about the number of police. It's also about training. You just can't do this automatically. When we went through the collapse of the economy in the 2000s, what is the first thing any agency does if they're under budget pressure? They don't want to lay people off. They don't want to cut salaries. So they cut training and anything else that seems like, well, I can do without it. We cut training budgets in so many police departments, and this is not the police department's fault. Obviously, there's a recession. They're trying to manage that. And so a lot of the support for community policing went by the board. So I think, and Hillary and I both believe this very deeply, what we need to do, it's not necessarily the 100,000 cops, but we really need to support the police departments that are doing community policing and show others that aren't, hey, here's how you can do it. And it's definitely going to be training and technical assistance.”

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30. “They do, but there is a philosophy of policing. I mean, I'm not a police professional, but I can look as a mayor and governor and say, I see two competing philosophies around policing, community policing is one and a zero tolerance model is another, but that model is inherently adversarial. And so it doesn't mean you should tolerate small things, but if you define the mission as what we're going to do is crack down on little things before they get to be the big things, then you end up widening the gulf between the community and police. And that gulf is dangerous to the community, and it's dangerous to the police.”

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31. “This is not a new We had huge problems. When I got elected to city council, second highest homicide rate in the United States, and the homicides were concentrated in our minority communities. And so we had to let a police chief go and get somebody in who we felt could help turn it around. And we basically used a strategy, David. The good news is to solve these problems today. We don't have to recreate the wheel. We used a strategy, community policing, the whole goal was really build up bonds of affection and trust between the police and the community. And if you do that, it's not just a feel-good thing. Then somebody in the community is going to feel comfortable calling the police and saying, hey, there's something going on down the block that I hope you'll come check out. Or if there's a crime and somebody's witnessed it, somebody will be willing to testify. When you build up those bonds, then it gets easier to solve problems and the community feels safer. But there's a competing law enforcement model in so many cities that's an adversarial model of zero tolerance. We want to crack down.”

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32. “Of the biggest mansions in Richmond and the biggest public housing community between D.C. and Atlanta. And people thought, I think the guy can be fair. And so the African-American leadership of Richmond extended a privilege to me that they had never been extended.”

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33. “The city is about 60% minority, and the city council was majority African American. And I was treated in a very graceful way by that council because the city council Richmond had been majority white for like, you know, 250 years and had never allowed an African American to be mayor. And so the city had become majority African American only in the mid-late 70s. And here I was. You know, not only was I a white guy, but I'm from Kansas City. I mean, I'm not really a Virginian, and I'm making my case to my colleagues, hey, you know, I think I'll be a good mayor. And there was some controversy, frankly, about whether the mayor should be white, given the previous history of the white community never trusting an African-American to be mayor. But I had a reputation because of my civil rights work. The district that I represented was a real interesting mixture.”

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34. “17 years doing civil rights work, three quarters of what I did, civil rights stuff, mostly housing discrimination, and Anne was a legal aid lawyer, helping especially families and kids, big class action suits against government age agencies that were pushing families and kids around. And this is what I thought I'd be doing my whole life. But I also was representing a little homeless shelter in Richmond that would occasionally have things up before the Richmond City Council. And I would go to city council meetings, and I would see my city council very divided along racial lines. At some point, I'd lived in Richmond for about 10 years, and I just like, gosh, I think I can do better. I think I can be a bridge builder in a city with a painful past. And that was what got me to run my first race in 1994.”

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35. “This is one reason why I never claim any party's got a monopoly on vice or virtue. The Democratic governors of Virginia had maintained segregated schools 16 years after Brown v. Born, maintaining segregation through all kinds of tricks, everything they could. Lynn got in, and within ten months he had basically said, no, we're going to integrate Virginia schools. And he used his own kids kind of as an example. No, you know, there's a great front page picture in the New York Times of Lynn escorting my wife's sister into what had been previously essentially an all-black high school. With a big smile on his face, there's a lot of pictures in the times of Southern Governors blocking African American kids from walking into schools, but there's only one of a southern governor walking his own child into the school with a big smile saying, you know, hey, education's for everybody. And my wife was part of the generation of kids that integrated Virginia schools, and that had a huge impact on her. So we went back to Virginia to do civil rights work. I practiced in private practice for”

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36. “No, I really went, I mean, to be a civil rights lawyer, I decided when I was in Honduras, let me use my legal skills to help others. I read the great Martin Luther King quote, When I was in Honduras, the most segregated hour of the week is 11 o'clock Sunday morning. And being a church kind of person, that really struck me. And so I just decided I'm going to try to be a civil rights lawyer, battle for African Americans basically was kind of what I wanted to do. And I started working on that in law school, met Anne. Anne's family has a real interesting civil rights pedigree. And we decided to go back to Virginia”

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37. “It is, it is. Putting yourself in somebody else's shoes and, you know, the classic experience, I think many of us have this. You go, I think, I'm going to go help somebody out, and then you find out you're the one that's getting the help.”

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38. “I had a teacher that I worked with at the school named Memo Guillermo, and he came in one Monday and he was really down. And I was like, hey, what's going on? He said, ah, one of my children died this week, you know, and he was just showing up Monday for work. And I said, well, what did your child die? He said, diarrhea. And you just think of, you know, when the sanitary conditions are so bad that just dysentery and normal diseases like that, that, you know, we take peptobismol or something and it would be nothing here. That could be fatal. And so I learned a tremendous amount from my students and their families about faith, about hard work, about...”

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39. “It was very, very formative. I think about it every day. There were a couple of the Jesuits, the guy who started the school, Hermano Jaime O'Leary, a great kid from St. Louis kid. I mean, he was probably 45 when I was there. He's now deceased. He had started the school and let me run. Wonderful.”

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40. “It was definitely different. It wasn't Kansas City, and as I was standing there with my kids with the noise of everybody hammering and sawing, I was like, this ain't Harvard Law School either. It's a school. But boy, I'm about as far away from Harvard Law School as well. How formative was it?”

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41. “Staging ground to build up the folks to take on the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. So it was a very complicated time. And I kind of walk into it as a naive 21-year-old. Yeah, this wasn't Kansas City.”

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42. “Yeah, no, it was a very turbulent time. It was a military dictatorship. Some of the Jesuits I lived with were arrested by the military and let go. But there was a Jesuit from St. Louis who'd been kicked out of Honduras that at one point I had to go to Nicaragua to get my passport renewed. Just take a bus, you go to the other nation and you get a renewal at the Honduran embassy in Managua. And I spent time with this one American priest, Guadalupe Carne, James Carney from St. Louis. And about two years after I left Honduras to come back here, he was murdered by the Honduran military under very suspicious circumstances. I had met some of the priests, the Jesuits who were killed by the Salvadoran death squads at the University of Central America in November of 1989. There were civil wars in Guatemala, civil war in El Salvador, military dictatorship in Honduras. The U.S. was using Honduras as a”

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43. “At the well, or the leper that gets healed. And sort of where you see yourself in the story gives you a very different interpretation of kind of what the message is. And these are great stories that are susceptible to many readings, so they're very legit. But the guys I was with, the Spaniards, were really, they were left. They were persona non grata with the government.”

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44. “She's got a bad reputation, so she doesn't go when the other women go to the well. She and Jesus get in this big dialogue. And the disciples are mad, Jesus, she's a Samaritan, and she's a woman, and she has a bad reputation. Why are you spending time with her? I had heard that message preached in churches in the United States all the time, and the message that was preached to us was, don't be like the disciples looking down on other people. You should be more welcoming like Jesus. Now, that's a very good reading of that story. So I go to Honduras. One of the first Sundays I was there, there's the reading, and the message that the priest preached is, maybe you feel like that woman at the well. You kind of feel like you're an outcast. You've kind of been kicked around. You kind of feel down. Who does Jesus go to? He doesn't go to the high and mighty. He goes to the woman at the well. So where you are in the story, that's kind of what liberation theology was about. And it tended to take virtually every story and center it in the experience of the person that was kicked in at the side of the road, in the Good Samaritan story, or that was the outcast and the woman.”

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45. “It was left. It was left. And it was funny, the Spaniards were that way, where the American guys, the St. Louis guys were like, you know, super practical, like, we don't want to get into the theology. But liberation theology would look at readings in the Bible and just give them a fundamentally different read. There's a wonderful story in the New Testament about the woman at the well. Jesus and his disciples go into a town in Samaria, and there's a woman getting water by herself because she's kind of a...”

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46. “Well, it's a movement of Christian theology that was very prominent in Latin America when I was there and still is, that basically looks at the gospel as good news especially to the poor. And so let me, I mean, maybe I can give you an example. What I first realized what liberation theology was. There's a great New Testament.”

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47. “Well, the Jesuits I were there with were an interesting mixture. There was not a big at that point native priesthood in that part of Honduras, the Euro province of Honduras. So the Jesuits had agreed will staff the churches in this rural part of the community, and the Jesuits were either from the St. Louis, the Missouri province of the Jesuits, which at that point stretched from Denver to St. Louis, so kind of Midwest, or they were from the... The area of Spain, the Basque country In the Galician northwest corner of Spain. So it was a Spaniards and Americans. The Spaniards were super liberation theology, really intellectual type.”

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48. “I knew four years of high school Spanish, but had never been in any setting where I'd had to use it other than in my classroom. So it was a very kind of going out on faith experience, but I felt like it would be good for me. And I arrived there, and they're like, okay, well, what do you do? Well, I'm at Harvard Law School. Well, that's completely irrelevant. That's not going to help us at all. My dad runs a welding shop. Okay, now we got a plan for you. There was a technical school they had just started that was teaching carpentry. There was about 25 kids there, and the principal was leaving to go into the priesthood. So he had to go do his studies. And they said, you run this school. So within two weeks of arriving, I am now basically the principal of this tiny fledgling technical school. And over the course of the year that I was there, I added welding to it, added a night program for adults, recruited more students. But it was an amazing experience.”

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49. “I'll figure it out. So about the 1st of December, I mean, I've been on campus maybe three months, and I liked law school fine, but I just needed to figure things out. So I wrote these guys down in Honduras, and I said, can I just come and volunteer? And they wrote back and said, sure. And then, you know, we just set up the date that I would show up. And I showed up not knowing what I would do.”

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50. “You know, I went through University of Missouri in three years and went right to Harvard, and a couple of things happened. I got there and I was probably the youngest person in my class of 550 because of having gone right to school after three years of college. I met a lot of people who had taken time off to work or be in the Peace Corps or, you know, do all kinds of things. And I started to ask myself, why am I rushing? But then secondly, David, there was a big flurry of activity in the first semester of my first year in law school of, hey, wow, we can get jobs at law firms and they'll pay us $800 or $900 a week. You know, we've never gotten that much money. And there's a lot of excitement about that. And I just knew that's not what I'm interested in. I don't know exactly what I'm interested in, but I know that that's not what I'm interested in. But I didn't, because I didn't really know what I wanted to do, I decided, you know, if I take a year off and maybe work with these missionaries in Honduras who had a connection to my high school, my Jesuit high school, well, maybe I'll...”

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