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  1. I appreciate that. Well, thank you. I mean, I remember bumping in you during the presidential. You always. Always had an encouraging word and nice things to say, and your texts over the last few months meant a lot to me.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. But we know it's not helpful. And I really, this is all without any bourbon or lion or beer. I know. I know. That's for the after show. All right.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. Like, you can't suffer, you can't be in pain, you can't be hurt, you can't cry, you got to have your Facebook page up over your vacation. Well, you've touched on the...

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. Post pandemic, even worse. So, you know, how is psilocybin helping vets heal Right? How is meditation and yoga and some of these body practices that can help soothe your nervous system, get you off of meds like in our kids that are in trauma in our schools, like, we got to completely reevaluate how we're dealing with this. We're going to put them on drugs. It doesn't work. There's other techniques, breathing techniques. Meditation techniques, contemplative practice, completely void of any religious context. And so how do we take that, the science of that, and get it into our schools to help our kids? Yeah. They need it now more than ever with the technology and the... Fear of missing out and the fear of other people's opinions and the whole Bastardization of your image.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  5. To get other countries off coal, create jobs here, blah, blah, blah. Want to keep doing that. So I'll be working on that issue. I want to continue in the defense technology space. I think that's really important for us to outcompete China, continue to go down that road. So I'm going to be doing some of that. I'm super into like the health and wellness stuff. So a lot of the medical cannabis stuff that's out there. And then I want to continue to do like the meditation and yoga stuff that really, I think like when you look at the levels of trauma, deaths of despair. There's a place, especially post pandemic.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  6. I'm done for now. You know, I don't ever want to rule it out in the future because, you know, I feel like that's a great, in all the years of Catholic school. Like that's a great expression of service. I always saw it that way. I always felt that way about it. But I want to continue to do things that are going to be an extension of what I did. So I want to, as a huge proponent of natural gas, I think that's, to me, where we need to be from a consistent energy policy.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  7. You know, just a totally different dynamic, not even factoring inwards the economy Where gas price, all that other stuff that would come in. I just think straight a lot of people vote the optics, like American needs some new leadership.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  8. So let that process play out. And I think what they're saying is it's going to be Trump. It's going to be Biden, Trump Biden, Biden wins. Maybe that whole thing to me drives me nuts. Like that's, we got 330 million people in America and we're going to do this again. But the reality of it is my estimation probably be DeSannis before it's Trump in a DeSannis 40 some year old against...

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  9. I mean, that's not the question to ask, though, I don't think. There's plenty of talent in the Democratic Party. People would run. The system, as you know, helps people. Meet the moment we

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  10. He should receive it. I think so. I mean, I think we have to be about, and it's easier for me, the guy like me, to say, because I was always the generation that wanted to, it was our turn. And I just think by them stepping down, they are doing with a lot of successful companies and institutions do. And they're staying on, right? They're going to help through the transition and they're going to be there to tap into for their experience and expertise. But they're out. And I just think that's how we should think about doing this.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. I didn't, you know, and I think one of the reasons her and I have been able to maintain a good relationship because I was always honest. I was just like, you know, I love Nancy Pelosi. They did run that in an ad this pass. It was like, I love Nancy Pelosi, but. We've got this problem with our brand in places like Ohio because this was right after Trump won. And so I've always been kind of on the cutting edge of like, we've got to rebrand, we've got to rebrand. We've got to rebrand. And so I thank Hakeem, Congresswoman Clark, Pete, these are very talented. Yeah, she's guys are very talented. They've got a lot of good experience and they're a new generation. And I think that's really what we need.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  12. I feel very good about it. I'm really glad it happened. Obviously, I thought. Given Speaker Pelosi's talent and ability inside the caucus and that we talked about earlier, just such a sophisticated operator. I mean, in a league of our own. Be very clear

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  13. I'd be on Amazon, and within three days it's sitting in my front porch. My dogs are barking because the UPS guy's there, right? If you're in the middle of a pandemic in Ohio and you want to get your unemployment check because your business is going under and the person you work for, three months, four months. Like that was the incoming we were taking in a congressional office was all about the state government not being able to administer their services. And it could be the same with getting your driver's license. It could be like who wants to interface with any level of government right now in our society? The answer is nobody does. And so I just think like we've got to have an era of reform. Like how do we have all this technology, all these metrics? that reflects two thousand twenty two.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  14. Technology machine here. And part of it, too, just to take a step back. Part of it is you have to, and Democrats do a terrible job of this and Republicans just want to cut. But like, Our government is antiquated and old and it doesn't work like if I wanted to order a book right now, right, if I want to get Axel Rodd's book, I'd get on my phone. Please feel free.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  15. Yeah, let's see what you got. Even now, like, you know, with the challenges in defense, like with hypersonics and with all these new technologies that are coming out, we are behind on a lot of this stuff. We are, whether we like it or not.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  16. Yeah, I think obviously the protections of the intellectual property protections, security protections, all that go without saying that all needs to be in place. But we want other countries investing into the United States and creating jobs here. That's what we want. And I think that's, to me, it's not us shipping our jobs there. It's them moving their jobs here. And as long as the intellectual property and stuff like that is protected and there's no security breach, which GM would be very motivated to make sure that doesn't happen too. So I'd be all for it.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  17. Our jobs are a lot of those manufacturing jobs are in China now. We have got to have a strategy on how we deal with the world. And this gets back to what my wife talks about all the time, civics education, like really understanding the role of the United States, the role of the democracy. But I would just say like stuff here and we want to export it to our friends. And so we need to spend a little bit of money making friends.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. The hurdle is we are now a generation of Americans who didn't serve in World War II. who didn't go through the depression, who didn't see their lives connected to the broader. Framework of civilization. And so that makes it very, very difficult. But I would just say, look at the gas prices. Russia invades Ukraine. You probably don't know where Hartley either of those countries are. But yet you're paying for bucks and gas

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  19. Freedom is like not a cliche. It fucking matters because if you look at China and Russia, clearly, you know, forced abortions invading Ukraine, ethnic cleansing, no free press, no free, like that's where we're at. It's either us or them at this point.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  20. Yeah, in Western PA, like a lot of natural gas industry in Western PA. So, I think there's going to be a lot of different variables around that. And really Just, I think that the president has got to articulate a big vision for the country. That to me is like the missing piece of like, we never say the why. We just, we're always in the Jimmy Carter guy had, he's like, Democrats show up to, you know, political debate, you know, or gunfight with the 10-point policy plan. These guys are shooting at you. What's the why? Why are we doing this? Why are we doing the Inflation Reduction Act? Why are we doing the infrastructure bill? Why? And it's because the United States of America is a central country in the world.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  21. Yeah, not bad. I mean, and depending on the economy and what's going on in China and COVID and, I mean, the energy issue, I think, is going to be a big issue. Now, even like all the money that went out into some of the renewable projects aren't getting online, Europe coal coming back into fashion in Europe and Asia. So what's the energy piece going to be like too?

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  22. Like we thought if we could get it to 17, 18, we could maybe. Do it, but she lost by 27 points. Yeah. And so that made it very, very difficult. Sherid, I think, can get the crossover. But he'll have the presidential turnout in his favor. So I think there's a good chance Sheridan can win this thing.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  23. Yeah, it felt like everywhere we went, even in the southern rural parts of the state. But what happened was we didn't have the resources to do everything. So we had to carry our message. We had to carry the contrast message. We put some money into field. But we needed more money to get our base voters out. And we outperformed the top of the ticket for governor by 20 points. Yeah.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  24. Yeah. So we got a ton of Republicans to come over, and every event I had to be Republicans were there, and they were voting for you. All my friends were voting for you. I'm like, we're going to win. We're going to win. There's no way.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  25. I think he's going to win. Do you? Because In my race, we got the crossover appeal. Like we got, we got Republicans to vote.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  26. with me, she's going to run for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. So we're trying to take over the court, at least get our, you know, get a foothold somewhere in Ohio politics. And she just won, but they changed the law. And she had to put a D-buyer name, Mansfield, Ohio, 31%. Same candidate, same bench, same issues, same woman, same everything. D by her name down twenty two points from where she ran a couple years ago.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  27. Yeah, totally. So I'll give you an example. A woman ran two years ago in Ohio for Justice of the Supreme Court. Jennifer Bruner, she was Secretary of State back in the day, great candidate, smart, articulate, like just wonderful. She wins. And I think it was in Mansfield. This guy was telling me a couple weeks ago. She won Mansfield with like 52% of the vote. So Democrats started winning Supreme Court races because you didn't have to be affiliated. You didn't have to put Dirar by her name. So she won. We won two or three other seats. So fast forward another year, she's going to run in November this past November.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  28. That's just the mentality that we are locked into right now, and it's either or. And I think, you know, in a lot of ways the Democrats are on the wrong side of that, like just a general view of an opinion of the party, I think the Republicans are too, quite frankly. I mean, it's just like people are done with the political parties. Like, they just think they're both antiquated and haven't evolved. But that's a culture problem that we have.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  29. Yeah, no, that's true. It's like, what are you going to do when they pull the tank up? I mean, like, what are you going to do with your gun? To me, it's just, it doesn't make any sense. And it's part of the culture. And that's really what I want to talk more about moving forward is like this is a cultural problem. Like the politics is downstream of culture. It's not upstream of culture. And it's a reflection of the culture. And the zero-sum game. It's like either the NRA wins or, you know, Brady Gun Reform or Gabby Gifford's group wins. It's like, no, it's like.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  30. For sure. Catholic, old school, a lot of hunters, you know, just look back at like the years I worked for him, which would be 90. I think I got out of school in 95. So 95, 96, 97, like that is just politically like another century ago. It just seems like so different now. And then, yeah, I mean, you know, I was younger, I was 29, you know, and then obviously had wanted to go out and was very curious and so ended up meeting women who had abortions and having those conversations. And so people say, why'd you change your position on these? I said, because of what was going on around me in the world. Yeah, how many sandy hooks can you watch? And like, NRA's not coming to table. Like, come to the table, fix this. Like, no one wants to take your shotgun. And they wouldn't, and they wouldn't, they wouldn't.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  31. And it was, you know, it was like an old sports movie where the guy comes back and he tries to throw the ball again and he just can't do it.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  32. No, no, uh. I heard he was mad at me that I ran against him. As crazy as that is. And then he got back out seven years later and he ran again. Yeah.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  33. You know, you have those emotions that this was the guy who gave me my shot. He took me on as an intern in DC. He gave me my first job. So I was, you know, loyal to some extent. But, you know, stuff. Did he ever?

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  34. From jail. Yeah. I was actually in DC at the Democratic Club watching his final floor speech when they expelled him. And yeah, it was. It was wild, and he went down and I ended up winning and

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  35. That's what they did, you know. And did he do it or not do it or whatever? Were they trying to set him up? There's all kinds of games going on. He got off. And then he became congressman, so the community clearly approved of whatever or looked the other way. But I was telling my grandma when we were talking about this. I go, he wouldn't do it again. Like, he's not that crazy. He like got out. He got out of it. Like, even if he did do it, he got out of it. Second chance. He would never do something stupid again. Well, turns out he basically... The world changed. He didn't. That is so much

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  36. Heartbreaking. Heartbroken. Heartbroken. Like, you knew what happened back in the day. And when you grow up, maybe in Chicago, Youngston, you're like, yeah, back in the day.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  37. That I hope. Now I'm in year two of a four-year term, so I'm midterm. I'm twenty nine years old. Obviously got the political bug, just won a race in that media market in the Youngstown Media Market that ended up being a big high-profile Senate race. So he's going to get indicted. I'm hearing through mutual friends like he's not going to run in the Democratic primary because the trial's coming and he can't do both. He'll win the trial and then he'll run as an independent in the fall. That was his plan. But they had him dead to rights. I mean, there was no way he was getting out of this. It was like pretty clear. So I was just like, you know, these seats come. I've been around long enough to know.

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  38. Yeah, well. Was piled up there in a buffant. But everyone said you would not do a toupe like that. Like if you had a toupe, it would not be. Well,

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  39. Very Very much in those terms. So he got indicted. We kept hearing he was going to get indicted. I was actually in the Senate for one year. So I'm in for a year, but that whole year, it's like traffic's going to get indicted. He even was saying he was going to get indicted. He went down to the FBI office and started screaming at him. You guys can indict me or what? Like he was just getting so paranoid about the whole thing.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  40. Not a whole lot. Don't be a Democrat in the state Senate in Ohio. It's good. Well, that's an important lesson. We had 12 then, and I think there's nine now. Are there any young people out there?

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  41. You could just feel his charisma. I never experienced anything like it. And so I fell in love with the guy. And then he said, well, call me. And I went on to play college football, blew my knee out, and was like, what am I going to do now? I'm not going to be the Cleveland Browns quarterback anymore. I better figure out what I'm going to do. Oh, yeah, trafficking gave me his card. I'll call him, did an internship. And that was that. I started working for him for two years until I went to law school. And that's where I got a really good political education.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  42. So, I'm at basketball practice, and we're running late. And so I get there, my mom's there. My mom says, you better go over and say hello to the congressman because he keeps asking where the quarterback is. I was like, oh, Ken. He's like, yeah, you better go say hello. So I go up and, you know, dinner was late. He said, sit down. So I sat there for 45 minutes and listened to him tell stories about Mike Ditka, Marty Schottenheimer, who at that point was probably like coaching the Browns or just did coach. So he had played with all these guys. And I just found him as charismatic as anybody I ever met in my life. Brock, Bill Clinton, this guy was

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  43. Yeah, and he was some stories. So he got invited. One of the moms invited him to speak at our football banquet because he went to Catholic school too. He went to Cardinal Mooney, which is a big football school.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  44. that he would do through his member account by TV back in the day. So he was always on. So the conversation every Sunday was around judges who was doing what, you know, what Judge Ran, what judge this, what judge got a DUI, you know, the whole thing, what traffic can say on TV, and then who do the Browns play? Like that was the conversation every week. So it was a very political conversation.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  45. So my grandmother worked at the courthouse. So my grandfather was a steelworker, my grandmother worked in kind of administration, but she started off, I think she worked for the sheriff back in the day, and then she worked for the clerk of courts. And then she retired. My mom took her job in Trumble County, which is just north of Youngstown. Every Sunday, the conversation, like my aunt Mary died, so Uncle Fred started coming over for Sunday dinner. So now it's my grandparents, Uncle Fred, me, my brother, and my mom. And then trafficking had a TV show.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  46. And I will tell you, I think most Democrats understand that. There are some that don't, but I think, like you said, like the leaders have to say that's the kind of like these big kind of structural issues we've got to open up the door to have a conversation. And in the Republicans, we're going to make it rough because many of them are not interested. So you may have to go outside of the political world. Let's begin that national conversation. Put it on C-SPAN. Like, let's do it. Like, are we going to fix this or not? Because as the clock ticks, it's going to become harder and harder on climate, on race, on all of these issues to actually fix the problem.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  47. Right. And that's statecraft comes in, like leadership comes in and saying, okay, here is our problem. It's all of our problem. And we're not just going to jackpot this guy in West Virginia or southern Ohio who's been living in a coal mine, exposed himself to black lung because he loves his kids. That's why he goes into that coal mine every day. Like, let's not demean the guy that he's dumb or doesn't understand that global.

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  48. Yeah, it doesn't take much. That respect, and it's so fear-based. And this is what I think guys like you, guys like me who have a microphone, like we've got to cut through all of this. It's fear. It's fear that then turns into anger. And it's fear, it's economic fear. It's fear that the country's going in the wrong direction. It's globalization. It's automation. It's trade.

    2023-02-02 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 520 — Tim Ryan · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  49. And go to the grade schools or go out into the community and do service. It was senior service, was a part of the curricula at school. So you were a leader. So you put your football jersey on because those kids you're going to see are going to look up to you and you have a responsibility to be a leader.

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  50. Right. So I think it's got to be a part of the conversation. And I don't think it has to be like we got to Matthew dogma for dogma. You know, it's just like appreciate the mystery of life, you know, appreciate that there may be a higher power and that there's an intelligence out in the world. And when I went to Catholic schools, I told you it's very working class. There was no like none driving the abortion argument into your head. It was about service. It was about the social gospel. It was about being a good person. It was about helping in the community when I went to Kennedy High School. I was a quarterback of the football team. Like the football team had to put their jerseys on.

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