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  3. There you go. I don't know, yeah. The doc is fantastic. It's called Carville. Winning is everything stupid. Directed by Matt Turnauer premieres on CNN on Saturday, October 5th, and in theaters in New York, LA, and other spots across the country. James Carville, thanks for coming on Pod Save America.

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  4. I mean, I was a kid when I first saw the war room, and to this day I can still remember your line that at the end, outside of a person's love, the most sacred thing they can give is their labor. And anytime you can combine labor and love, you've made a merger. Because that was the moment. That was the first moment I thought about getting into politics. So thank you for that.

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  5. Sure, you get asked a lot of young people for advice, especially people who are interested in pursuing a career in politics. I know one of the reasons you really wanted to do this doc or what you hoped from this doc was to get young people involved in politics again. What do you say to people who ask?

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  6. I love the documentary. It focuses on your life, your career, your marriage. A good chunk of it is also about your very vocal push to get Biden to step aside, which was a bit of a lonely crusade before the debate. I know that you probably weren't too concerned with the criticism you received during that period. There is a moment in the doc where you worry a lot about becoming one of those people you used to hate, the goddamn carping democratic pundits who are never satisfied. How do you think about giving advice that's still pertinent and persuasive even though you're not working inside these campaigns like you used to?

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  7. I know you've taken your share of shit for warning Democrats about identity politics and woke language and all that. I've always wondered about this from the perspective of democratic politicians. Like 99% of whom don't actually talk like that. They get tagged as woke party because of activists and people on social media that they have very little control over. If you're a Democratic politician or working for one, what do you do about this issue?

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  8. So, polling shows a big gender gap, including it especially between young women and young men, white men, Hispanic men, even black men. It's been like the big demographic debate of 2024. Do you think this is a dynamic that is specific to Trump and the current version of the Democratic Party, or is it bigger than that? How do you think about it?

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  9. Yeah. It seems like, I mean, this has been a problem for years now, but Trump gives you so many different targets every day because he's a bunch of crazy shit all the time. She has the added challenge of voters saying, well, I want to know more about her. I want to know what she's going to do as president. But then you've got Trump up there saying he's talking about the tariffs. He's talking about mass deportations, political prosecutions. He just talked about going after shoplifting by letting police do whatever they want for one rough hour. How do you think she should balance talking about herself and talking about him? How do you handle that?

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  10. She has. She really has. It feels like Trump and Kamala are in a battle for voters' attention, which is increasingly harder to come by these days, the state of the media. I think it's one big reason that the Harris folks really want a second debate. So far, Trump's not giving it to them. What do you think her campaign can do to break through in these last few weeks? Any creative ideas to grab people's attention?

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  11. Yeah. Were you worried at all that because I know you were initially concerned that it would appear either she was anointed by the party or even another Democratic nominee or nominee. And look, she did earn the nomination. But, you know, it was about, there was no other challengers about 24 hours.

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  12. Were you surprised at how fast the party came together around her candidacy and how fast her favorability ratings went up?

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  13. That's right. That's right. So since Kamala Harris became the nominee, we've had a convention, a debate, millions and ads, saturated media coverage, and basically nonstop polling that shows a race that is essentially tied with five weeks to go. I know the last few elections have been pretty close, so this isn't unusual. I can't remember a race where the polling has been this tight for this long. What do you think is going on?

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  14. There you go. When we come back, James Carville. Joining us in studio today, he's the subject of a new CNN documentary coming out this weekend called Carville, Winning Is Everything Stupid, The Legendary Democratic Strategist Who Inspired a Generation of Hacks Like Me to Get Into Politics, James Carville, James, welcome to the pod.

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  15. This is going to Yeah, no, I don't know. When we come back from the break, you're going to hear my conversation with the one and only James Carville. Two quick things before we do that for tonight's VP debate. We're going to be hosting a subscriber live chat starting at 9 p.m. Eastern, 6 p.m. Pacific on our Discord server. You'll be able to watch the debate live chat with fellow crooked listeners invent about JD Vance's awfulness and real time. Not a friend of the pod yet. Sign up now at Crooked.com slash friends. We'll be doing our own recap show after the debate ends, but also make sure you're subscribed to our daily newspod. What a day. You'll wake up at the 20-minute overview of the highs and lows of the Walls Vance Showdown. Best of all, Tommy's going to be joining Jane Costen for the episode.

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  16. It is weird that it could be the last big event before voting, but no one will remember it by the time they're actually on Election Day. You know, it could cost a few news cycles to one side or the other I don't even know if it's

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  17. Yeah, and just saying how great Kamala is and her record and her plans and everything like that. I mean, because, again, she, I would say the only missed opportunity, not really missed because she didn't have the time. But in the last debate, she didn't get to talk as much about her plans, her policies, her values, stuff like that. She did. But I think that

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  18. Yeah, for sure. And know that Trump's watching and try to make him be a supplicant for Trump and just embarrass himself. Like, I think that's a yeah, this is a really cool.

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  19. To respond. If I was walls, I would look for, I mean, that's one opportunity, but other opportunities to drive a wedge between Trump and Vance with either different positions they've had. Or remember when Vance fucked up by saying that Donald Trump would veto a national abortion ban and Trump said, oh, I never told him that, right? Like I would, I would look for hammer.

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  20. I don't know if we've do we cover this on this show just so everyone knows what we're talking about. There was a Washington Post story about this that J.D. Vance was direct messaging on Twitter with someone where he said in 2020 that Trump, quote, thoroughly failed to deliver on economic populism. Yep.

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  21. And Running around the country Couldn't agree more though. That's a great strategy to have one motivation for JD Vance and his career and to just keep coming back to that, right? Which is just trying to.

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  22. Yep, I could see that too. If you were walls, would you go after him for the shitty things he said, or would you keep it all about Trump?

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  23. You could see him getting triggered by Nora and Margaret, too, because there's like these, they're just shouting questions at him. And he already has an antagonistic relationship with every reporter. And so I could see him. Yeah, I got.

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  24. And I think the smarter strategy for JD Vance than the Trader Tim stuff would be to run the play that Donald Trump was supposed to run at the Harris Trump debate and forget about Tim Walls and make Tim Walls answer for Kamala Harris and all of the unpopular parts of the Biden-Harris record and her stuff. That's what I.

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  25. And then there's a piece. Do you guys read the piece in the New York Times about J.D. Vance and his past debates? That was like an expectations razor. It's like the Walls campaign placed it, but it was basically all about how JD Vance was like made for debates, just like what you said, you know? And apparently in Hillbilly Elegy, he talked about how he, in the Marines, he did media relations for the Marines. The experience taught me a valuable lesson that I could do it. I could work 20 hour days when I had to, I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. So this is a guy who's been practicing doing this for a long time. And you're right. I think interacting with humans sort of tough, but a debate stage.

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  26. Real waste of time. JD Van, so which makes me think it's a head fake, but who knows? Who knows? I do, I buy the spin from the Walls Camp. Someone in the CNN piece about this recalls Walls saying, I think at a fundraiser, is teachers were trained to answer the question and we train our students to answer the questions. That's not how this goes. Barack Obama, also a teacher, felt the same way. He was not always great at debates. Kamala Harris was a prosecutor. That's like, debates are more her style, like the way that you prepare for trial, you know. So I worry a little bit, you know, about Walls, but I don't know. Maybe he's practiced a bunch and maybe Pete really gave it to him good and now he's already.

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  27. The reason I was thinking, let me tell you about the last time I remember a disaster relief situation in politics. 2004. I do.

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  28. So... How are you guys feeling about the expectation setting? Do you buy the expectation setting? Do you not? What do you think?

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  29. I know the joke, and I was going to do it. There is one more quote unquote big moment left on the calendar. Tuesday nights VP debate. JD Vance and Tim Walls will meet on stage at CBS's studios in New York at 9 p.m. Eastern. Like the Harris Trump debate, it'll be 90 minutes with no audience. Unlike the Harris Trump debate, both candidates' mics will be on the entire time. The moderators are Nora O'Donnell and Margaret Brennan. We know that Pete Buddigge has been playing Vance in Wall's debate prep sessions in that Minnesota Congressman Tom Emer has been playing Walls, and Vance's sessions. The Walls team has been trying to set expectations with leaks about Walls being nervous and not a great debater. The RNC did a preview call about the debate and teased that Vance will call Walls traitor Tim for allegedly abandoning his National Guard unit when they went to Iraq. Is it going to be Trader Tampon Tim or Tampon Trader Tim? Are they going to just drop Tampon

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  30. Or people are going to knock on their doors, or the campaign's going to be on the ground. You're going to have an organizer, they're going to hear from a volunteer. And again, one conversation's not going to do it, but they're going to start thinking, okay, I got some new information from that person. That's interesting.

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  31. And again, I think people you hear undecided and you think that those people are all torn between the two candidates. They're just checked out. A lot of them are checked out. And, you know, I just Alex Wagner did a focus group of Michigan voters last week. And just hearing some of them, it's so funny because you can tell the difference between the voters who've been paying attention to this race and they talk about the convention speech or Trump did this. And then the other ones are just like, I haven't looked enough about Kamal Harris. I know she's a new candidate. I got to check it out. I do remember I had more money in my pocket when Trump was president, but I don't know. He seems kind of crazy. I mean, you just hear the same shit and they're going to, they are going to tune in those last couple weeks. I don't like this Michigan.

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  32. What are you up to? They don't have to, it doesn't have to have a kernel of truth to it. They're just going to throw shit up. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I

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  33. It's made me worry, Tommy, to that point that the Trump people know this because it's how they won in 16 and they're just like waiting to just throw some kind of shit at the wall in the last two. Come on, Jim Comey.

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  34. As you said, love it. We keep getting more polls. They keep showing that the race is more tied than the last polls. That's possible. New York Times Santa, once again, Saturday morning. We all get up and more New York Times Siana polls Harris Leeds 4947 in Wisconsin 4847 in Michigan. There was a Fox News poll out on Friday that had Harris up two in Pennsylvania but tied among likely voters, blah, blah, blah. It's all the same. Are we just stuck here till Election Day?

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  35. The impact of it. You show people videos of federal agents rating offices and homes. I think they're not as excited about it.

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  36. Also, if you are making a speech about a policy that your supporters and your voters are excited about, they're going to spread the message and they're going to help you spread that message, which is tough to do in this media environment. If you are going to play defense on border security, which is what she's doing, and look, there's a lot of undecided swing voters are saying, like, I'm not sure about her on the border, right? I'm not sure about her on immigration. Along with the economy, those are the two things holding a lot of these voters back. It's just a hard thing to get out there

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  37. I just remembered, I can't remember if it was Sarah Longwell focus group or one of those cable focus groups after the debate or something, but there was an undecided voter or some swing voter who was like, and you know, I heard that she, when she was in California, she prosecuted some of these gangs. And I was like, someone knows about that. Thank God. Get that woman out of the back.

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  38. Well, I definitely think you can't try to tell people, much like the economy, you can't tell people that crime is going down if they don't feel that crime is going down. I think that's a mistake. So it seems like some of this crap from Trump was a reaction to Harris going to the border on Friday, which Dan and I previewed a bit on Friday's show. How do you guys think she did that event?

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  39. The tariff thing is, I've been an advocate for going hard at the tariffs for a while now. It is hard for people who lived through a first Trump term, I think, to imagine like, well, why didn't he do this crazy tariff thing in the first term? And what's his motivation for doing it in the second term? And you're going to be like, I don't know. He's kind of fucking crazy.

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  40. Yeah, no, I mean, I think that you want to be on the economy, you want to be on abortion. The only other category of Trump stuff that I sometimes think we should push a little harder on is the using government for violence and whether it's the mass deportations, whether it's the shooting the shoplifters. This stuff is just in a category of like... Even like libertarian leaning Republicans, like you're going to use the federal government to like when the looting starts, the shooting starts, right?

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  41. Yeah. I was talking to some of our holsters at focus group folks we know, and they said especially young people and young black and brown men like hearing about Universal Stop and Frisk. It's like incredibly unpopular. And that's just police. That's a terrible stopping and frisking you. That's not shooting suspected shoplifters. So actually I totally agree that in general probably the views of crime at this table versus like the public's views of crimes are quite different. But I think that this is so extreme that it would be, I don't know if it moves people, but it's very unpopular.

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  42. Even if you did it with the clips of shoot the shoplifters, execute the drug dealers, all that kind of stuff. I mean, I mean, I mean

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  43. Colin Kamal Harris, I wouldn't talk about that or anything like that, but I don't know. I think this is, I think if you were convincing someone who was going into the voting booth that day that was like a friend of yours who was wavering, you'd be like, hey, this guy's talking about fucking executing people who were arrested for dealing drugs or people who are suspected of shoplifting. He wants them to shoot. Like, I think that's a fair data point.

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  44. I would like to watch a group of undecided. Voters or persuadable voters weren't sure watching Trump talk about the one violent day, the one rough hour, the shooting. Execute and like I get that Republicans and Trump have an advantage on crime and we don't want to play on their territory. I just think that that kind of stuff is so extreme and has to do with what Trump wants to do in a second term and not like you said Tommy like the names he's

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  45. He has proposed the death penalty for drug dealers. Like just he wants to execute drug dealers, which is what Duterte did. Now, do you think of any of what we just heard from Trump in that clip is moving any voters? Should Harris respond to any of it? What do you guys think?

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  46. He also wants universal stop and frisk. He wants to deny funding for local police departments that do not implement universal stop and frisk.

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  47. You know, the Times wrote this up, and just sort of stunning to read it in a straight news story, but it said, Trump has in the past urged law enforcement to be rougher when making arrests and called for the summary execution of shoplifters. That is what is true. That is what he has said before

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  48. So, Lovett, you said that you know what he was suggesting with the one violent day thing. Did he think the purge was a documentary?

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  49. Over the weekend while the storm was hitting the southeast, Trump was campaigning in the Midwest where he gave a speech that even he described is dark. Boy was it

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