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Timothy Snyder

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“Thanks for putting me in touch with Bill, and thanks, Cara. It was really, really good to be able to have this conversation”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The greatest external enemy of democracy in the United States is Vladimir Putin for all the reasons I've talked about in other books. But the main threat to democracy is always going to be people who don't want to be free, because democracy means ruled by the people, and that means to be a people, you've got to want it. You have to go out there and do the things that you can do. And if I could leave any message for the few days we have between now and election day, it would be that, that we all have a few things that we can do and we got to go out there and do those things.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, the greatest enemy to democracy in the United States is obviously Donald Trump, although I think J.D. Vance is a little bit underrated and maybe closer to power than people generally think.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Country than it is right now, which it could be, right? If we could break through. And I think part of the breakthrough has to do with the idea. And once you turn the idea around and instead of freedom being something narrow and angry and only about the enmity, but instead about the openness, the human contact and the possibility, I actually do think we could really get somewhere much, much better. But I do have the technical details, and those are also in the book.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Address and I think maybe even solve the kinds of problems we're talking about. But in terms of a brighter future, I think the funny thing about the moment we're in as far as I'm concerned is that it's what's totally untenable. The one thing which is impossible is the status quo. We're not going to hover here for very much longer. We're going to tilt one way or the other, I think. And so the optimistic version is that we have, you know, we could get what I think of as the low-tech, the social media stuff we're talking about under control in some way. We could focus on the actual high tech, which gets people moving around and alive in the world. We could think about freedom in a different way, which opens up the future. This low-tech that we have now, it closes us down. It keeps us focused not only on us and them, but on the kind of eternal present. When we can break out of that and our other problems, we could see that actually America could be a much, much, much better.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, again, let me try to bridge from what we were just talking about because I find it so interesting. On Hana Arendt, it's really important that she's talking about loneliness. She's making the distinction between solitude. We should be able to be solitary. And one of the things that the Internet has done to us is that it's engineered loneliness. And our loneliness makes us vulnerable. And we need to think about freedom in terms of liberating ourselves from that and making sure that we have these human connections because human connections are necessary for freedom. An optimistic thing here though is that there is survey data, which I cite in the book, to the effect that people actually want to be told the truth, right? So it would be perfectly consistent with people's own expressed desires if social media were tilted in such a way as to favor, for example, locally reported investigations. In chapter four of my book, I have a whole very long section called the Charter for Fair Transparency, which I recommend what I think are the legislative changes, which would”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Becoming less and less credible as agents in history or agents in our own life, and that makes democracy and things like this less plausible to us as we evaluate the way we live or as we look around to other people. So I think this is very much a situation where you have to have the ideas and then you have to mobilize the laws that already exist like the Sherman Act or passed new laws to get the platforms under control and to take seriously also the ideology behind it because both in the case of Russia and in the case of the platforms and the people we're talking about the notion is nothing's really true, nothing really matters therefore are massively amplified message is just as good as any other message we're not going to get around that without saying that there are facts and that people have a right to them”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, conceptually bringing it back to the main argument of the book, we're not getting it out from under this so long as we remain in a negative freedom framework, so long as we think the only problem is the government. We're never going to politically solve this. And so long as we were in a negative freedom framework and we say, well, everybody's opinion is as good as everybody else's. There's not really any truth. There are really any values, then we won't have the moral or political traction to actually get at this, which is one of the big reasons, as you know, because you read the book, I'm trying to change the notion of freedom because it's actually not only is it correct, I think it's politically much more effective when we broaden freedom so that it means things like facts matter and that we develop as humans because that's the answer to your question. What AI is accelerating in addition to accelerating climate change is all connected, but one of the things that AI is accelerating is this process of bringing out the worst in us and making us more and more dependent or having shorter and shorter attention spans are becoming more and more like the people that we were like anyway.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
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2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm going to take a slightly different angle. Number one, I think for fact checking to work, we have to have a broader culture of affirming truth as such. Number two, people are going to believe fact-checking if they have more local reporting. Because when we starve them of factuality in general, as we've done in the last 15 years by letting investigative reporting and local reporting die, then the notion somehow that there are people have facts becomes much harder to accept. The third thing, which I think is really important, is that fact checking be automated so that when social media platforms, for example, spread a lie, they then in an automated way have to spread the correction as well so that the corrections actually reach people in a predictable, large-scale way. And then finally, I do take the point that it's important, even as we fact-check, that we try to tell the story in different ways too, not just oppose the thing that's been said, but talk around the thing that's been said.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But go ahead Yeah. Well, she deserves it. But in the end, though, as we saw on January 6th, and as we'll see, as unfortunately, we're going to see again, it has to lead to violence because the only way you can make falsehoods on this scale true to yourself in the end is going to be by hurting people who are resisting you or hurting people who are trying to defend the truth. And then this links back to the fascism discussion because the fascists, although they didn't have social media obviously, were very were very aware of the ability to bring people into stories with tech. The Germans with radio in particular, and they very consciously tried to tell lies that had this effect of creating an us and them, which created the conspiracy in which we're always the victims no matter what we're doing, and a story big enough that people could live inside. And I said, I think that's a very legitimate way to link the centuries.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. It's like little bits coming out of the wall of this horrible black thing they're scaling. Yeah, that's what Hannah Arin said. It's the story that draws you in, right? There are little bits of truthfulness around it, but overall you're drawn into a story, which is what a big lie is.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A goal ball Yeah, exactly. But Hitler is actually our source for the term big lie. And of course, that's very relevant to the fascism discussion to which you're referring. But the way that a big lie works is that once people accept it, it's so big that it's hard to get out. And because it's so big, you can also live inside it. And the way you live inside it is that you alter everything else, all other stories, all other facts so that they fit this bigger story. And a big lie when it works also creates an us and them because the people who are on the outside trying to tell you the truth, trying to spread the facts are going to become your enemies because they're making you very uncomfortable. And so what I expected back then, and which has turned out sadly to be the case, is that the big lie will then define American among many. The scale of it becomes psychology, becomes sociology, and then it changes everything.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so, no matter how bad you get, the other side gets presented as being just as bad. But you, meanwhile, are the ones who are actually using the black magic of the big lie for political gain. So then what is the black magic of the big lie? When I applied the term big lie to Trump back in November 2020 about the election, what I had in mind was Hitler's advice. And Hitler's advice is if you're going to tell a lie, tell a lie so big that your supporters won't believe that you would deceive them on that scale.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So let me try to make a bridge between what you and Bill were just talking about. Because as Bill's been speaking, and it kind of has to do with the arc and his book, there's a background issue here, which is the habit of both sides in American journalism. That is the notion that neutrality means that you decide that the truth has two sides and if you present both sides, then somehow you're being truthful. And that is just logically, it's never made any sense logically. It just doesn't. And what Trump has done is in the sense take that assumption and weaponize it. Because if we're going to both sides, that means that when one side gets worse, it becomes the job of the journalists to pretend that the other side is also worse.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Worst possible version, and there is thinking there, but there isn't a thinker in the sense that there isn't something, there's no engineering. That has values of Kind. And so we are eroded. Engagement with that thing and what tends to erode are the values. And so we end up as a kind of husk of ourselves where wheat like Values and then we end up dismissing people that do. And so we get to the style of politics which Trump is good at, and Vance is actually better at, where it's all about just dismissing anyone's Anything which possibly could be good, right? It's a form of bullying which is basically just a rhetoric of impotence. You can't do anything, I can't do anything. Elect me to office so we can show how nothing is possible.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm trying, I mean, you've been thinking about this stuff hard for a really long time. I'm trying to find a language to describe what that thing is on the other side of the screen when you're on social media. And there is thinking being... Done there, and it's a thinking which extracts from us, right? It draws into our ability. To interact, to respect, but it poisons that. It makes it its worse.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Made money just because they got into the right niche at the right time. And we should be remembering that the people who are the real heroes are the ones who are trying to spread the facts, the ones who are trying to speak truth to power. So I think it's very dangerous, and I think if 25 years ago we had said we're now going to create a situation where pro-fascist oligarchs are going to directly intervene in elections by throwing money around in swing states, that would have been dismissed as a fantasy. But here we are. Here we are.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Platforms with technology. I mean, Platforms are incredibly low They're incredibly dumb, actually. They just run very, very quickly, and they're dumb also in the sense that they appeal to the dumbest parts of us and they make us dumber, right? So they're dumb in every possible way. They're just very fast and very, and Appealing. And so what they amount to is a kind For the Of us, right? Like Musk, to appeal to the worst parts of us to lead to the worst possible outcomes. Outcome rather than focus on the individual, I think we should focus on our mistakes Platforms sort of have been regulated, we should not be making heroes of people who”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, it harkens back to the Greeks who said 2,500 years ago that the problem with democracies that the rich people will have control of the propaganda and they will tell things they know to be lies to angry. I believe you know you're the expert here, but I believe we have this great mistake.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, let me just make first a political point about the sort of the libertarian to fascism pathway that we've got here where people who call themselves libertarians within 15 seconds are saying fascist things, right? And there's a logic to that, and the logic is negative freedom. If you say, I'm just against stuff, it's very easy to then say, well, the stuff I'm against is a government that tolerates people I don't like, and therefore actually it's the people I don't like. And so very, very quickly, people go from saying, oh, I'm just a classical liberal. I just want negative freedoms to being let's build a wall or Hitler is good, right? That happens very, very, very quickly”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Us, they bring out the parts of us which V ⁇ clav Pavel called our most probable states. They make us caricatures of ourselves and the way that they get us to engage is by making us the least engaging humanly least engaging versions of ourselves. And then that generates, so then we become essentially minor parts, minor key parts of algorithms. We use our emotions to help the algorithms anger other people, which is the profit model. But meanwhile, what that does to us is that it changes the way that we engage with other people. We become less patient. We become less able to listen. We become less attentive to values. And of course, it's values, positive values, integrity, patriotism, loyalty, these things, which are at the heart of freedom. Instead, we become people who are constantly, not just intolerant, but rejecting what other people say, not able to listen to it, and therefore we become less capable of democracy.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The reason why we have freedom of speech is not so powerful people can say obnoxious, mendacious things. The whole tradition of freedom of speech is about the person. The reason why you have freedom of speech is because you take a risk when you speak truth to power. That's it. That's why we have it. And so when you get to the point where we say free speech and what we mean is an oligarch with a social platform can spread a single lie a quadrillion times. We've gotten it turned around 180 degrees. Freedom of speech is precisely for the person who doesn't have the platform, for the person who is taking a risk. It's not for the rich and the powerful. They will be incidentally protected, but it's not about them. It's about the people who don't have a voice precisely. And so this all connects together because what the platforms do to us is they aim for the bits of us that are most predictable. The fight or flight part of us.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, I'm going to take a deep breath and a big step back and try to link to something that Bill was talking about and make your point about humanity in a different way. The people who really care about freedom, the people who really care about freedom of speech are going to be generally warm, happy people. The people who talk about freedom who are angry, who are trying to shout other people down, who are trying to bully, those people don't actually care about freedom or freedom of speech. Like that's a first indicator. Freedom is a very humane thing. You can only really be a free person if you care about the freedom of someone else. And you can only really be a free person, even an individual, if you can listen to other people about yourself. And so all the various levels of bully that we have and the various platforms, political or social, who are trying to shout others down or bully them, those are not free people. And the thing that they're spreading is not freedom. And it's certainly not freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is about the person. It's not about the algorithm.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Intelligible. It means that freedom involves factuality. It requires facts, which means that together we have to try to create a set of institutions where people who search for facts get paid, where this is a credible and regarded as a very important and honorable, even a heroic profession, because only with the facts can you defend yourself as a citizen and only with the facts can you make policy. So creating factuality is a part of positive freedom.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Always saying that we'll be freer if we shrink the government. But if you just shrink the government, then power abhors a vacuum. Other things fill up the vacuum. The oligarchs, the social media platforms, other unelected forces just fill up the space. The other thing that happens is that negative freedom is a kind of proto-fascism because if you think that freedom is just about you against something, you against the government, for example, it's very easy to shift from that to you against your fellow Americans, you against the migrants, you against the black people, you against the Jews, whatever it might be. It slips very easily into a politics of us and them. It's very relevant to, I think, Bill's important work and the work of journalism in general because freedom, if freedom is just freedom from, then who cares about the truth? It's just whatever I feel. It's my impulses. I'm banging my head against the wall. But if freedom is freedom too, then we have to live in a world that we can understand, a world which is...”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so let me start with a big definition. Freedom is about the good things in the world. Freedom is about the things that we like. It's about the patriotism. It's about beauty. It's about loyalty, integrity. And you're a free person if you have the ability to affirm the values you care about and realize them make a difference in the world. And so a land of the free would be a country where we work together to create the conditions in which people can do all of those things. So freedom has to be freedom too or freedom for. Freedom from is a part of that. Of course, if you're imprisoned or if government is oppressive, then you can't get to freedom too. But the reason why we care about the oppression or the reason why we want to tear down the wall is the person on the other side of the wall. Freedom is about the person. So then in the US, we have this syndrome or this problem or this obsession where we limit freedom to being freedom from. And that has terrible consequences. I mean, politically it means that we're”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I think not being a historian of the US makes me less of an exceptionalist, and I think maybe more alive and to threats and less of a quietist.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I think being a historian helps because you're aware that many bad things have happened before and you're aware of the range of human creativity when it comes to bringing down the rule of law. If you work on the kinds of things I work on, you've seen a version of the movie a dozen times before, and you can recognize certain patterns. I think being a historian not of the US, I mean, American historians help a lot too. I'm an American, I'm a historian, I'm not an American historian. Being historian of Europe, I think, has helped me because it's made me less of an American exceptionalist. I hear Americans say things about how it hasn't happened here or it can't happen here, and I'm just baffled because things that happen in the US in the 20s and 30s of the last century were actually kind of similar to things that happened in Europe. We got lucky, frankly. And things that happened in the US in the 2010s and 2020s are actually kind of similar to things that happened in Russia in many cases.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My greatest hope is not that both. I mean, I just don't have Bill's capacity for hope. I don't think both sides are going to recognize the outcome of the election. My biggest hope, though, is that we have an objectively clear outcome and that Harris wins and that other ballot initiatives like item one against gerrymandering in Ohio pass with clear majorities thereby sending another signal that the voters want something and not something else and that we're able to move forward to a 2025 where a bunch of new laws get passed and we end up living in a better country.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Biggest fear would be that regardless of whether the results are close one side, and that would be the Trump side disregards them, continues, and amplifies the big lie of four years ago, sets off a process of violent protests, and uses bogus or semi-bogus or mostly bogus state cases.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On the other side, you have people saying, We're all going to live inside a big lie. And those two things work together. And you're right. I mean, this last week, we see these two things merge into one stream.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I may have missed things this week, but the interesting thing about a newspaper like The Post is that it goes out and it finds surprising things that are factually true and then we're all forced to adjust to it. And that's consistent with democracy, like the pursuit of surprising factuality is consistent with democracy. Things like oligarchs telling us we have to be prepared for an authoritarian regime. It's not only predictable in and of itself, but it's thoroughly contradictory to the spirit of fact-finding, which has to be one of independence and unpredictability, right? And likewise, there's something very predictable about us and them politics. It works in a kind of rhythm, right? It's like beating a pan, you know, like I choose an enemy, I create a fake crisis, I choose another enemy, I create another fake crisis. It's very, very predictable and it operates in the realm of the big lie, right? And so on the one side, you have people saying, okay, the media is not really for unpredictable fact finding.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Most disturbing thing for me is enemy within and kindred expressions because that's a political technique. It's designed to habituate us to the notion that, of course, there's no government which can help us. Our representation doesn't matter. What matters is politics that begins with the enemy. It's very much what the Trump vans campaign has been doing, habituating us to the idea that politics starts from choosing an enemy and the enemy's inside the United States.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They're two sides of the same phenomenon. I mean, it's going back to the 1930s, it's sort of funny because in the 20s and 30s, the Marxists said that fascism is about the oligarchs. And back then they weren't really right. But it's funny how like, and now their course completely discredited. But this is a point which they had right, like 100 years later, it is about the oligarchs. And not all of them personally, but the ones who were putting themselves most in the public eye are either passively or actively pushing us towards fascism. And that's part and parcel, right? Because if we have oligarchic politics, that means that the federal government's not going to be able to do the things that it needs to be able to do to make people free. It's going to mean we have a small dysfunctional government. And the way that folks are going to govern Trump is good at this, but Vance is better. The way folks are going to govern is they're going to say, well, of course government can't really do anything. So let's fight each other, which leads to my answer to your question, which is the”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where he is explicitly doing us and them politics and referring to parts of the United States as not parts of the United States and so on.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think Tim Walls is right, but we don't really need Tim Walls to tell us this. There's this weird thing where folks, at least some folks on the left, are really resistant to the notion that Trump represents some kind of current of American fascism. And it's resistance I've never really understood and don't claim to understand. But I think at this point, Trump is kind of just trolling those people. I mean, he's deliberately putting himself in the place of Hitler. And his people know about the Madison Square Garden 1939 rally. Of course, they know about it. Everybody knows about it. I think this was meant as a conscience reference to it, and I think he was just kind of calling out the cowardice of people who refuse to criticize him on this most basic point, which is that he is a very self-conscious American fascist. So, I mean, I think the reference is made by Trump. It doesn't have to be made by Tim Walls. And of course, at the performance itself or at the rally itself, he's had many horrible appearances, but this was one of the more horrible appearances.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Take them. And so I'm encouraged by the response. I think it's really important, and it goes, and it's within the post, it's also beyond the post and other newspapers. And it's in the public. I mean, I think in the end this will probably... The opposite effect, at least I'm hopeful, have the opposite effect because there are people outside newspapers can look at this and say, okay, do I want to live in a world?”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some kind of imaginary lowest common denominator, but supporting actual independent reporting and let people follow the facts wherever the facts.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This and the people who are criticizing him. Within the post and without generally would accept the argument that posts should be doing things better, not sliding, not obeying in advance, not seeking some kind of imaginary middle”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I think he missed a chance. I think he could have, if he was going to write an op-ed, he should have said, Okay, I made a mistake. I'm going to fix my mistake. That would have”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Allowed people to do serious investigative reporting. And during a period when the post most certainly was endorsing candidates. So factually, it doesn't make any sense.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He says the media should be relevant, but the time the post was the most relevant was the 80s and 90s, which was after Catherine Graham”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, let's do that. Let's do it together. I mean, I couldn't help thinking reading it that there's no way this would have passed muster as an op-ed. And that signal is part of the problem that there's an institution at stake, which is the editorial board and its independence. What he did was override the independency editorial board. The editorial board could have said, we don't want to endorse somebody or starting next year, we're not going to endorse people, and he could have said, you know, okay, fine, that's your decision. You're independent. But that principle that the editorial board is independent is just being kind of steamrolled out of existence here. It's not even really acknowledged in what he says. The factual part is also silly. I mean”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's why anticipatory obedience is bad. And second thing is we have that as a history of the 20th century. We know this is what happened in Germany in the early 30s. We know it's what happened in late communism. There are countless other examples, but the reason why it's so poignant is that it was chronicled by the best and smartest writers of those periods so that we wouldn't do it in the 21st century. And of course what the posts in the LA Times are doing is anticipatory obedience. It is obeying in advance boldly on its face. That's just exactly what it is. There's no other explanation for why they would do this so late in the game than that they are afraid and that when the least Signal their fear and obeying advance. Basically, they're telling everybody else to give up, which is the sadness of this.”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, so the principle is really straightforward and it's really important, which is that authoritarianism isn't about one omnipotent man standing at the center who has control over all of us. Authoritarian regimes are built up collectively by people who make compromises, often subconsciously or unconsciously, because we have this human capacity to adapt. And the problem with that is that when we adapt in an unprincipled way, what we're doing is we're handing over power precisely to the people who are trying to”
2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
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2024-10-31 · On with Kara Swisher · Timothy Snyder and Bill Adair on the War on Truth & The Fight for Freedom · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT