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Tina Knowles

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“I am 70, and I just learned that I am enough. I wish I would have realized this at 40 or 50. Maybe even younger, but that is why I am telling you I have tried to collect as much of that wisdom as I can to pass on here. This precious time of gathering memories is closing. It's not an end, I know, but my new beginning. Yes.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Would fear. And I'm fearful every time my grandson is out of the house. You know, I'm like, you know, make sure you do this. I mean, we as black women have to teach our sons and our grandsons and our granddaughters because my mom was always saying, you got the biggest mouth and you don't know how to control your temper and you're so smart mouthed. If somebody stops you, just shut up. Just shut up and make it home. And that's a shame that we have to tell our kids to shut up and make it home.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Heard that conversation. Is she pregnant? It was the most hurtful thing ever because I wasn't thinking about screwing in because I was really. Focused on getting out of that town. I don't know if I'm saying the wrong thing, but I'm just saying, like, I wasn't, and so it was a very painful thing for me. So what it said to you is your mom.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can't believe how good of a mother they are, all of them. They're just really good mothers that are natural and that they love their kids and they put their kids first. And I'm getting emotional because I feel like I passed that on because my kids were always my priority. Because I did a lot of screwing up when I was younger. And I was, you know. A little bit rebellious, and you know, I went through the thing with being mad at my mom. And so all the things that she didn't give me, I decided I was going to Give it to them.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not from the beginning because they talk for like a year on the phone. And I was like, oh God, I don't ever remember talking to somebody for a year on the phone. This is moving really slow. And so it took them a year to really get together when she went to do, you know, the movie in LA was, I think, the first time that he had been to our house for dinner. And, you know, but they weren't dating then and they weren't talking like that. Yeah, it took a long time. They moved pretty slow”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I wondered about that. Why? But they really set us up. And if I wasn't badass teeny B who produced badass Beyonce, we would have said, okay, we better go back to the drawing board. But that just made us want to fight and it challenged her to go and get Jay on the record, which is great. But the sad part is it came because she said they wouldn't do this to Jay. They wouldn't tell him this, but they tell him me this”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that came from a place of pride for her because when she went to that award show, she was not treated well. And it was very much me back at Holy Rose when somebody said, you don't belong here. And, you know, you're not good enough. And that was like saying, I took my seat at the table, whether you like it or not, and I deserve to be here. I deserve to be anywhere I want to be.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But you know what? It was more so than pride. Felt like it was fair. That was my happiness. I just felt like they gave her a fair shot. For the real, you know, she's won a lot of Grammys, but sometimes I felt like some of those were consolation prizes. And so for me, I don't know if I was so much proud as I was, happy for her.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh gosh, the proudest moments are when they do something that's not about entertainment, but when they do a charitable thing and they are good people, just regular good people and have good hearts, that sounds corny and it sounds like a cliche, but it's really the truth. I just get so full and so proud when they respect people and they do charity or they do, you know, something that's a normal thing.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Funny because my girls will say, Mama, you don't always have to have your dukes up. You know, Beyonce tells me that all the time. But I think I had to fight for space. But I think I don't know if it was a nuns telling me I didn't belong, that I fought to belong in the spaces that I've been in. And I taught them from day one that they deserved to be anywhere that they wanted to be. And that, again, people will not always welcome you, but you got to welcome yourself.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would have left the marriage way earlier because I still feel that I didn't set the greatest example in that way for them.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I am truly at peace with myself. I have never felt better about myself in my life. About turning 70 that all of my And things, the shame that I had about a lot of things, I tell them all the time, and I don't know if I could say this, but I don't give a shit. More about what somebody thinks of me, what they say about me. I'm just protective of my kids. So if I don't want to ever do anything to embarrass them or make them feel bad. But other than that, what you say about me kind of rolls off my back because I feel good about me. I feel good about taking the time for myself to look nice and to dress nice and to take care of me. I don't have any guilt or shame about it. So I feel really good about it. And I know that I made a lot of mistakes. And I think if I had anything that I would do over again, it would be.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Whatever, whomever, and be right there. And so I felt like I had to have that talk with them to warn them. And I was scared of how they would react because, you know, you guys know mothers are kind of taking, my kids are wonderful. They acknowledge me. They love me. They would do anything for me. But they do. Kids, it's a kid's nature to be a little self-centered. I told them, and surprisingly, they said, Mom, we so happy to hear that because, you know, they were excited for me. They weren't pissed off about it. They were actually excited that I was going to have my own life.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was after my divorce, and I was really nervous about it because I had been So engrossed in taking care of them and making sure that they were okay and not feeling worthy of, you know, just loving myself and taking care of myself or taking a day off. If I was in the middle of something I really wanted to do and my girls called me, I would drop.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're not celebrated or you feel fulfilled, you are affecting your grandson too because he wants you to be happy and how he's going to treat the woman that comes along. And I never thought about that. But he was just so supportive of me.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He just told me that I told him what happened, and he loves Richard also. And he was like, I'm very sad to hear that. And I said, but, you know, this marriage is not bringing out the best of me. And I have finally found my worth and I know that I deserve to be happy. I know I deserve to be for somebody to be happy when they see me and to celebrate me. And it's not doing it for me. It's bringing out the worst in me and it's got to stop. And he said, I mean, he was terrible. He was like, I am so proud of you coming from a family where women stayed no matter what. And it's taken a lot of courage. I said, I'm doing this for my daughters too. So I want to set that example for them. And he said, you're not only doing it for your daughters, but you're doing it for your grandson because you think that you're doing something to stay in a marriage that's unhappy that you're not.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“How would you describe Yeah, we're fine. I say in the book that I still love him as a brother. Even though the things he did, I knew that they were out of an illness, they weren't intentional. And that sounds crazy. I know I still sound codependent, but I just know that he would take a bullet for me. And if somebody messed with me, he was right there all the time. He was the person who always told me you could do anything. You could do anything you put your mind to. You can have whatever you want to have. I mean, he believed in me when nobody else did.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That oh, yeah, at times, yeah. I think you do go through that when somebody cheats on you. And it also keeps you in a cycle of, it's kind of like somebody. Slapping you in the face, and then you'll get to recover, and then you get another slap in the face. You can't really get your strength up, you know. And there were times when I did get my strength up. But then I would have these kids and I say, you know, I'm going to be by myself for the rest of my life because I'm not going to bring some man around my kids. You know, that was always that fear of protection. I swear every time somebody would start messing with me and he was my protector. He was always a protector. He's still my protector. If something went wrong, I would want him on my team”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I also had just lost my mom at 26. He knew my mom. I knew his mom. And what he was was so kind to my family. My family is everything to me. So imagine you losing your mom at 26. Your brothers and sisters are older. They got their own families and you feel so alone. And like, that's my best friend, you know, and in a lot of ways, he had an issue, but he was so kind to me. And it sounds crazy because that's not kind of cheat on somebody. I think he had, you know, he had an illness, but we were a teen and we had kids and we built a life together. We built businesses together. We connected on so many levels. So I don't know. When I look at it now, I can't believe I stayed there for that long. Self-esteem issues, obviously, you know, those nuns telling me I wasn't good enough. So I was like, I'm lucky to have somebody that's successful and smart.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“First of all, I hope that I made it very clear in the book that my whole life with Matthew was not filled with heartache, that there were some amazing moments also.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. That keeps resonating in your brain. You don't belong there. Long time. Well, it changed later, but it was a fight. The whole thing was a fight for a long time. And then, you know, but people love the costumes. The people love the costumes. The fashion magazines didn't love them. The designers didn't love them. They made fun of it all the time. And even to the point where I remember Beyonce went to the Oscars one year and I did this fabulous gown with like origami. It was black and gold. And everybody was going crazy on the red carpet. And then when she said finally felt comfortable to say my mom did the dress, they said that it looked like I got the fabric out the drape submade for her. Because it was like, you know, and it was so defeating because I was so excited because I was like, finally, they accept it and, you know, they made fun of it.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. Not only to wreck a company, but when I would go to shoots and people wouldn't talk to me or, you know, because I was country and I had this big hair and I never in the early days would do myself up because I was so busy all the time. And it was also a thing of not wanting to Stand out, I think. You know, I've thought about it many times because I don't have a passive personality, but I would let people say things because I think I thought I deserved to be not on their level back then.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They were going to macho him up a bit, but just to protect him, though, it came from a love of protection for him, not from a, we're going to beat you down type way. And they left him alone after that. And they was like, Johnny, make the costumes for basketball, but he didn't let him play basketball.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Family resources. And my brothers respected him. My brothers were these macho athletes. And my nephews were, but they accepted Johnny. They walked down the street with Johnny and his sharp clothes. And we were proud of him. And so everybody else was”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It felt so normal to me because Johnny was so special and Just thought everybody accepted, you know, we just always accepted it. And his mother accepted him and my mother accepted him. He was, you know, her favorite grandchild. And so people respected him because we respected him”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She is Yes. Yes. She is because everything is seen through the lens of art. I mean, sometimes it's irritating because I'm like, girl, this ain't art. This is life, but that's how she sees things as an art piece. And it's different. It's really unique.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, You saw her. She was seven years old and she did this parochial, they call it a parochial school talent show up to high school. And I was so scared because I was like, they're going to ruin her confidence. But she got out there and just turned into the biggest little diva on stage. And she was shy, you know, very shy. That's why we got her into it anyway. And we couldn't believe that it was her and she came off the stage. I mean, she got a stand in ovation and she came off the stage and she was like, I'm hungry. I want to just give my trophy and my money and go. And I'm like, oh my God. Because, you know, that old thing about being khaki or thinking you're cute or thinking you're all that kicked in for me. So I was like, you don't know if you won and you got to be humble and, you know, but anyway, it was the best thing that could happen to her because she could turn it off. Like when she came off the stage, she was just Beyonce and she still.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I fought a division, and also what really shocked me and made me move forward with it was the girls, the group was at our house all the time. And I just noticed they started saying, sit down salon, shut up salon. And Beyonce wasn't defending her. So that mama bear, that defender in me said, uh-uh, you got to protect your sister. You got to fix this. But she gets on my nerves. She's all in my stuff. So that's why I took them. And it was the best thing I could have ever done for them because they got close again. And Beyonce started respecting Solange.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, Beyonce was performing. She was this little local star and Solange was coming, doing, she started very early too. It was like people would, if they saw the two girls, they would say, oh God, you know, oh, she's so talented. And, you know how they do. And then my other child is there. And I'm like, hey, you better tell her something too. So I didn't have any problem doing that. But I saw this thing and I think.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I got so scared because they were like super close. Then all of a sudden Solange was going taken Beyonce stuff and Beyonce was kind of being a little mean to her and I had never seen it before. It scared me to death because I was like, I want them to be close and I want them to respect and love each other.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And my mama loved for me to miss school. She would say, Your stomach hurt. Okay, you don't have to go. And so I know that that wasn't the responsible thing. And she reminds me to this day of, you know, she accepts it now Solange does, but when she went to see the therapist, she was like, my mama is so irresponsible.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let School, right? She would say it all the time. She would say to my friend Cheryl, and she would say it to the therapist and the therapist is like, you know, Solange needs structure. And I'm like, God, you know, it's like I wasn't a good mom because I love for them to miss school and hang out with me.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm that creative force. And I think for B in her creative space, I think she was very much like me. So I could really relate to her because she could do the work if she wanted to, but she didn't want to. If she could have skipped school, she would have skipped school and just had her music career.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it was very obvious from the very beginning because Solange, one of my girlfriends, was very structured, very educated, you know, everything had to be a certain way her kids made straight A's and Solange was very attracted to it. So she was always telling me I didn't measure up to Cheryl. Yeah in no uncertain terms, you know. And Beyonce loved the freedom of not having a structure. And Beyonce was very much like me because when I never enjoyed school, I don't ever have a good memory other than the talent shows or the Black History program or something that was creative or even home economics where I got to sew and do things.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, it was very important to me to just highlight both of them because obviously, you know, when I go on shows or I do anything people, you know, they like to talk about one of my children. And so I have to include all of them. Yeah, that was really, really important. It's a constant thing for me to have to fight for.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, because we didn't have a lot of boys. So I was like, the name is going to become extinct. So I named her Beyonce. Much to my dad, he was like, girl, that baby's going to be really mad at you because you naming her last name.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's a great question. I've always preached to my daughters that you got to knock the doors down and that you should be at home at any space that you choose. And I mean, that was preached to them from the time they were younger because I wasn't given that. I wasn't given that message all the time for my mother. But what I did get from her is that it was an honor to be black, that it was spicier, that it was, you know, it was strong. It was the best, that our music was the best. And our cooking was the best, the way we walked, the way we dressed. I mean, my mom loved dressing. And I mean, that's such a great thing. My daddy and my mama were sharp. They didn't have any money, but they made sure they're sharp. Even if they had to get, you know, goodwills, I got goodwill shoes my whole younger life because my mom would.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In vain. They used to always say, and I went home and asked my mom, I was like, What is vain? And she said, It's when you think you're cute. And I was like, oh, I'm never going to have anybody think that I think I'm cute. But I would say in my head. I would call them the B word in my head because I was a little puss. And I would just think to myself, no, you not, no, you're not. And stand up to them. I was just so stubborn. If you talk to anyone in my family, they will tell you how stubborn I was.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think my fearlessness came from survival. You know, for someone to tell you, I'm going to break the evil spirit in you. And you describe like. I knew that if I didn't stand up to them, that they would just really abuse me.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was a class thing because they felt like their self-worth was tied into teaching a teacher's kids and they shouldn't have to be bothered with us little poor kids. Like we just didn't measure up. And so it was a waste of their time. That's what I got from them all the time. For sure.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Means so much more because it's something that I really valued. And it's easy to give away stuff that you don't care about, but it's really hard to give away things that you love.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I'm like, I don't want her to have my dress. I mean, I was ready to fight her. And I was mad at the little girl, which made me feel bad because then my mom said, you still got your mom. We can make you a new dress, but she can't make another mom. So it was so confusing and abusive to a little kid. But the lesson in that is so Memorable for me is that the day she wore the dress. I mean, she wore the dress and crowned the bus of Virgin Mary because she was so happy. It meant so much to me because I did that. And that's what my mom was so smart because she said, you did that. You brought her that joy by giving her something that was so important to you. So my whole life If something is really, really dear to me when I give it away.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I felt so guilty because I was like, I should not be, they were like, you're selfish. You're just such a big, vain little girl.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And they're like, her mom passed away, and I was very sympathetic, but I was like, I still don't want her to have my dress, which set up a lot of guilt in me because I was like, you know, no.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Every Friday in Catholic school during Lent, they would crown the Blessed Virgin Mary. So you get to wear a little dress, white dress, and a mantilla like you're a bride and you get to crown the statue. And I thought, oh God, they like me. So I went home and my mom was on a Wednesday and my mom went and got a remnant little piece of fabric. It made me this beautiful dress. And then I brought the dress back and they took the dress from me and gave it to Linda Kendison. Now I'm 71 years old, but I remember Linda Kendison.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And instead, my mom says, I don't like them, and they're really mean and I don't want to go because I thought it was optional. And she said, oh, you don't have a choice. You have to go back. And she brought me back across the street.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“White woman's house and her calling my mom Agnes, they always called her Agnes, and she said Miss Smith, Miss, and I was just a little kid, but I would be like, she's younger than you. You shouldn't tell her to call you Miss. And my mom would say, teeny, shut up. You just got the biggest mouth.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It did the opposite to me because also my parents were 44 when they had me. And I realized that after seven kids and all the struggles, they were just tired. So I just had this mouth on me from day one. And I remember my aunt used to come over and she would be like, that teeny got the, you just need to discipline her because she has no respect. But it wasn't respect if she said something. I said, why? I questioned her. And my parents allowed me just because they were tired. And I had a smart mouth. And I also realized in this book that because my mother was To everyone, I used to get so angry at her for being so passive. And you know, I could tell her that. And my mom would just say, oh, be quiet, teeny. And I remember us going to like a young.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is. And it was the source of my insecurity my whole life. Does not belonging or people making up their mind about you before they even know you. And it's still, I'm 71 and it's still making me emotional right now because it was such It's just such a horrible, evil thing to say to a kid. Because you're already insecure about everything.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because of all the camaraderie, because my sister had eight kids and my brother had four, and they all came to our house. So for me, even though we had this How could you feel bad about that? Because we just created our own playground, our own world. And I just never really thought about being poor until, you know, I went to Catholic school and I was pointed out to me every day how poor we were. I'm worthy we were.”
2025-04-22 · The Oprah Podcast · Tina Knowles: "Matriarch" | Oprah's Book Club · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT