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Tom Davenport

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“No, I think you're absolutely onto something there. I mean, we've always known that management is kind of a synthetic discipline. It draws on engineering. It draws on psychology. It draws on sociology. And I guess you might say it has drawn on engineering much more in the past in terms of what is the optimal workflow and how could we possibly do this more efficiently, which probably means bringing in more automation and getting rid of some of this expensive wetware. But maybe now we'll see it move much more to drawing on psychology and really thinking about, okay, now if my true source of competitive advantage is the human element here and how well leveraged it is by these augmenting technologies, then what does it mean to make somebody more human than they were before? How could I enable the people who work in my organization to draw on the part of them that's really going to give me a competitive advantage?”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it's funny because you talked about the scholars in Cambridge, and one of the things that we notice a lot with startups and entrepreneurs is that the management, I mean, there's basic fundamentals that are true of any company that have to do with profit and loss and running good financials and running a good organization and culture and HR. They're just best practices. But there are these things where I wonder if even the emotional component, this reference is a point you made earlier, Julia, of management will change management science. Because will it focus more on emotional intelligence versus, like you said, the outsourcing model and thinking of efficiencies and cost benefit analyses? Like does it change management science in that way? Where are we in that evolution? Is it still too early to see?”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of automation that frees up everybody in an organization to think about what they could do with these new technologies and potentially liberate them from the tedious work that we all still have to do.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. So we know all the answers on these management topics because We hang out with really smart people in Cambridge. Well, we believe that organizations will continue to exist and in fact may bring more of their work back in-house than they have had over the past couple of decades that automation may take back a fair amount of the work that was distributed through outsourcing. And we think that it's very important for an organization from the beginning to say augmentation is our preference and our objective here in part because pursuing automation tends to be kind of a race to the bottom in many ways. It's sort of lowers everybody's cost, but it also lowers everybody's margins and everybody ends up doing kind of similar not so innovative things, letting people know that augmentation is what we're doing and ideally saying, you know, we're not going to lay off people just because”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It will be interesting, and it's always going to be an early test study. But just like with all studies, when we talk about countries like Sweden and Switzerland, where they're smaller and less diverse, and I'm thinking of extremely heterogeneous plays like the U.S.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think it'll be very interesting if Switzerland votes this in. So we'll have one of the world's largest experiments on what people do when they can live at least at a very low level without having to work. It'll be interesting to see, does it lower the desire to pursue work and to see what people do in their, quote, leisure time will be very interesting.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Totally throw off our productivity numbers too, which is apparently a big deal. Yeah, no, I think that's right. The key point to me and the UBI topic, universal basic income topic is incentives are just completely misaligned. And I think that's why to me the insurance angle is really interesting because it's similar to your notion of guaranteed work because the incentives are more aligned with how people are driven. I will say, however, that this notion that that's how we've always done it, that people find meaning in work and there's a requirement and there's drive for structure and work. But I do think that technology and the way things change does surprise us and we don't know how our lives will be as even more of it is automated. We could actually find ourselves very surprised by how the nature of work changes.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Even dogs like work. I mean, I'm dog trainers. That I've had for my dogs put these little saddles on the dogs because they like to feel like they have something important to do and carry around. So, I mean, we do believe that it's certainly possible that there will be some job loss on the margins. But because of this belief in the importance of work for meaning and life satisfaction, we'd argue for guaranteed work, which would be compensated rather than guaranteed income alone. And as Julia suggests, there haven't been a whole lot of experiments around the world where probably going to see one in Switzerland within a couple of weeks when there's a vote on a guaranteed basic income only of about $2,500. But in the experiments thus far, it appears that instead of doing highly meaningful activities, people just watch more TV.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A damaging way to think about things is that it denies the fact that actually work is really important to people. It's really part of the human condition. I mean, being part of something bigger than yourself, allying your efforts with other people's being compensated for your efforts, this is all really important to identity formation and sense of being worthwhile. And, you know, it's easy to say, oh, well, we would all just have the level of self-discipline required to do all that, even if our pay wasn't contingent on it, or even if there was no link between effort and reward in the world. But that's simply not what we ever have seen. And what we know is that we actually appreciate having not just the source of income, but the source of structure in our lives, the sort of structure.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, of course, the reason people make the link is because they believe that automation means that there will be much, much less for humans to do and that somehow we have to provide for human livelihood because jobs won't do it anymore. And so we just fundamentally reject that premise. And that's kind of what our entire book is about. It's showing that, in fact, there are lots of ways that humans are still going to be able to and be required to add value to what computers do in the workplace. So we don't at all see no need in the future for human employment that all work can be given over to smart machines. So if you've rejected that premise, then you don't have to think so hard about, well, then how do you provide for people's livelihoods? So that's why it's unnecessary. The reason that I think it's actually”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, universal basic income. I mean, the link that people make with it is a really, I guess, depressing link. So I would say, first of all, it's kind of an unnecessary link and it's sort of a damaging way of thinking about things.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Let's talk now then about something that I think a lot of people link to the AI discussion for better or worse. I don't fully subscribe to the link, but a lot of people make this link between the future of automation and the future and this conversation about this need for universal basic income that people should have a fundamental basic amount of money to live on. And the ideas behind it are complex and varied. I personally think, I mean, I'm more into the idea of thinking about insurance for people versus subsidizing a baseline, but that's a whole other conversation. The conversation that I want to focus on today about universal basic income is it's linked to automation in that some people are argue that having a universal basic income can actually change the way we think about work because if you don't have to worry about basic necessities and survival, you can then think about work as this creative act. And that's why they tend to link it sometimes to this notion of automation and creativity. And I'd love to hear your guys' thoughts, especially having written this book.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, in that show, I've only seen some of the episodes, but there's obviously a lot of psychological calculation going on. Is this person telling the truth? Is there confidence just posturing or is it really real? And I think about a poker game. You could obviously get a computer to easily figure out the different hands of poker and what to bid under certain circumstances. But the whole thing about looking in your opponent's eyes and figuring out whether they're bluffing or not, I think that's going to be tough for machine to do for a while.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Humans as the artisan that's taking artisan, it's like, oh, it's artisan, not AI, it's actually human crafted. I mean, it's a relief to hear you say that. I mean, I'm only bringing it up because even the example of hedge fund that you brought up earlier, Tom, I mean, I was thinking of the show Billions, but one of the funniest things about it is that beyond all the things that can quantitatively and computationally happen that a computer could easily do, there's a huge broker network of information where the people are actually hubs of information flows. I'm not even thinking the way a computer could do it where it would find signal and noise. It's like you're saying, Julia, where there's this human interaction with information, like there's a funny scene where one of this characters gets some insider trading knowledge, which he didn't get busted for it because technically he made it sound like he was just like helping a farmer's daughter. I mean, if you haven't seen the show, this probably means nothing. But the moral of the story for this purpose of this podcast is that there is information and it's got layers and layers of intuition built into it.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was talking about this issue last night with my son who's visiting me from LA. He's a TV comedy writer. And we had put an example in the book of a joke that a computer had created. And he said, this is so lame. It's so obviously programmed. Even the category of joke has obviously been...”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's not so black and white anymore. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what happens as these worlds become muddy because I think there is a potential that computers can actually get more creative as well.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Few weeks ago, I included this article in our newsletter about how there's this machine learning to discover drugs out of lab notebook notes. And it's super fascinating because it's an example of discovery where humans would have actually ignored it. And I think it's really interesting because I used to embrace this idea that as computers automate more and more of our lives, humans can actually be more creative and we can do more of these narrow and interesting things in our skill sets, a psychological, the emotionally intelligent things. And I definitely think that's true. But I also think that there's just this concurrent move where we're seeing a new kind of creativity coming out of machines that we haven't even begun to explore yet. I mean, so far they're just doing things that are versions of human activities like, you know, algorithms that are painting like Van Gogh or, you know, that's an obvious case or deep learning art. I just went to an art show a few weeks ago where there was art being generated out of deep learning algorithms and it looked very cliche, but it was still an interesting beginning.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's probably because it's an area of new discovery and where there's not so much demand for it that a human can't serve much of the demand for it or a small set of humans. So for instance, in scientific inquiry, you're always looking for the thing that hasn't yet been discovered and you're kind of going into narrower and narrower niches. And that is a very viable strategy for human work because only after that new territory has been discovered will it eventually move into the realm of automation.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is extremely valuable providing that hand holding that the client needs. And that is not the part that the computer can do. So that would be stepping aside. I mean, you're not leaving your job, you're just focusing on the parts of the job that require the human touch and leaving the parts of the job to the computer that it can excel at. And then the last kind of way of stepping would be to step narrowly, which is to focus on an area where you're really in such a niche area that there is no compelling economic case to be made for putting it in silico, for creating an algorithm to do it.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That are going to rely on just very human strength. So one example of this is in financial advising, where now you have the robo advisors. And these are great algorithms for figuring out how your investments should be allocated across a portfolio of different things with different risks and different returns. And at any point in your life, whatever your goals are, there's an optimal allocation of that. Well, computers are really good at figuring out what that is. And it's very hard for the human mind to keep up with them on that. So we talked to a financial advisor and asked him, does this worry you about the future of your profession? He said, definitely, I hear the footsteps behind me. And already I feel like I'm spending more of my time being almost like a psychiatrist to my clients, telling them what the machine says. But our point is that's”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All these are kind of moves that you can make vis-a-vis the machines that are now in your workplace sharing your workload. So what is it that you're doing that they're not doing? A couple other ways that people can step to use our stepping kind of motif is you can step aside, which would mean that you are now banking on all the stuff that is so uniquely human that it's not going to be programmed into machines. So that may be creativity, maybe complex communication, dealing with ambiguity. It may be humor. It may be taste. These are things that just computers are not very good at and it may be because it takes a sort of a human to know a human. And when you have human customers, a lot of times you need to just be sympathico. So there are a lot of parts of work.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“IBM are hiring thousands of people to do this. And I think there's every reason to expect that as these technologies take hold, almost every vendor will have some level of cognitive. Capabilities, and a lot of people will need to be hired and employed for that purpose.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And if you think about the archetypal stepping up job, managerial role, not like a hedge fund manager who, even though all the trading in a hedge fund might be done by a machine, the hedge fund manager sort of looks at the entire portfolio and monitors how well it's going and do we need more or less automation and do we need substantial change or has the world changed and maybe this particular set of algorithms or rules or whatever isn't really appropriate anymore and so you turn an automated system off. And then finally in this working with machines category there's what we call stepping forward and that's developing the intelligent technologies of the present and future not only writing the code for them but also marketing them and supporting them. And we know already that big companies like”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The kind of core augmentation job as we see it is we call it stepping in. That's really treating a smart machine as your daily colleague, kind of monitoring its performance day to day, maybe improving it a little bit. You know, this has been going on in some industries for a while. And insurance, for example, not the most exciting industry, but one of the earliest that used AI, particularly rule-based systems, to a substantial degree, there were underwriters who would underwrite the policies that got battered out by a computer and would improve rules if it looked like they weren't working. And, you know, this goes all the way back to the Industrial Revolution, where when factories were installing new textile machinery, for example, somebody had to configure it, fix it, educate people on how to use it effectively, and so on. So stepping in, we think, is a very key job. There's also stepping up.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you know, I think there's always been this tension about AI, whether it would augment us or fully automate us. And Ingebort was certainly among the original thinkers about the augmentation idea. Unfortunately, we tend because automation is a more, I don't know, dramatic and attention-getting scenario, we tend to keep coming back to that. So probably everybody listening to this has seen that Oxford University study suggesting 47% of U.S. jobs are automatable. It doesn't say anything about when that might happen or which tasks will be taken over in jobs by machines because, as Julia said.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that's especially true because of the fact that when computers move into a workplace, they never take anybody's entire job. That what they do is they take away certain tasks and all of us have a certain percentage of our time that is spent on, yes, it's knowledge work, but it's very codifiable, rules-based knowledge work that, you know, given the right algorithm could be turned over to a computer because it doesn't involve a lot of ambiguity or creativity. And so it's those tasks that are getting chipped away from jobs today. So the reality is that every knowledge work job is going to see this encroachment of smart machines into the workplace. And it's just a readjustment that people have to make to figure out, okay, what do I do in this equation? What does the machine do? And how do we make best use of what both parts of that equation”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We generally think that since there's no higher ground to which humans can retreat than they have to find common ground with the machines that are going to be their colleagues. And so a lot of our book is around this idea that we'll need to augment their capabilities and have them augment ours rather than a set of activities that humans will always be better than computers. We just don't think those will necessarily exist, but at least for the foreseeable future, there will be ways that we can add value to what they do and work with them as colleagues in a whole variety of fields. And I think that augmentation-oriented future, we think, is by far the most likely one for how AI travels through the occupational world.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That notion of a higher ground. I mean, first of all, I think it's hard for anybody in this economy. I mean, we have to always think about non-knowledge workers, but this idea now that nobody is safe from automation is a compelling one. And so when you guys think about where is the higher ground that you can go to as this flood of automation comes in, how do you guys think about that? I mean, what is the reality? I mean, I don't think it's enough to say, let's just give people skills training and better STEM. I mean, these are all realities that we need to adjust to, of course, but What now? What can people do? How should they think about this”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The dangerous work and then computers came along and they started to automate some of that dull work like transcriptions, etc. Now we're at the point where they're taking over decision making. And the scary part is that it's hard to see what is the higher ground that you can move to as a human and still be able to add value in a workplace.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Big fear, I guess, right now, and it's justified is that a whole kind of set of us who thought that our jobs, our livelihoods were kind of immune to this encroachment of automation are now having to rethink that confidence. So we've invested a lot of time and money in gaining those college degrees and advanced degrees so that we can do this sophisticated knowledge work. We thought that that meant, you know, we're not going to be like those assembly line workers or even frontline service workers in fast food settings who might be seeing their jobs gobbled up by automation and even by computers but with the advent of cognitive technologies we're now seeing machines capable of doing decision making so you could see this as sort of three waves of automation that first machines came along and they automated”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, in one of my former colleagues, Brian Arthur, I wrote this really compelling view called The Second Economy. And his idea is that there's, I'm actually only now putting it in the context of the AI winter, but this entire time that we've been waiting for AI to have its moment, it's this collection of things that have already become automated in our lives that are invisible to us every day, like down to checking in at the bank teller to checking at the airport. I mean, there's so many ways that automation has, to your point, percolated and permeated into our lives. I think the question that's top of mind, though, for people, is that no matter how we approach it as investors or researchers or observers of the phenomena, I think what really people care about at the end of the day is how it affects their jobs. And the reality is, and we've talked about this a lot on the podcast, especially lately because we just came out of a DC series where people are, the theme that came up on every single podcast was the realities of the job market, is how people”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“As you suggest, we've gone through various cycles in this space, and this is probably the most spring-like spring we've ever had in the sense of interest in the technology, the number of firms that are adopting it. One of the things that always fascinates me is that even during winter, there were a lot of things kind of quietly happening. I mean, 10 years ago, I wrote an article saying that automated decision making was really percolating its way through lots of insurance companies and banks and so on for underwriting and credit, issuance and so on. But now I think probably with big data and analytics gave a lot of impetus to the topic and everything is in full flower all over the place.”
2016-05-23 · a16z Podcast · a16z Podcast: Automation, Jobs, & the Future of Work (and Income) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source