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Tom Harkin

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  1. “Well, thanks, Mark. Thanks for what you're doing, getting these young people teed up. Great work teed up and ready to go.”

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  2. “Republican from Oregon, a gentleman to the core, considerate. Some things we didn't agree on. Politically, I understand that. But he was just always willing to work with you in advance causes causes, especially on health care and medical research. And he was just the kindest, nicest, one of the nicest persons I ever served with.”

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  3. “Like the ADA, of course, he could have taken that. Of course, you know, my closest friend I ever had at all in all those years was Paul Wellstone. He and I formed a bond that predated his being in the Senate, by the way, back in the eighties, and I just loved Paul Wellstone. Never anyone like him since then. I tell you, the other one I told you before, maybe you heard me say this, one of my idols was always Mark Hatfield. He”

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  4. “He was serious and a serious legislator, and he was a great progressive in that wonderful Wisconsin tradition that Royce. And he was one of the point people on going after big banks and Wall Street. And this is back in the 70s for crying out loud. So I liked him a lot, looked up to him in the Senate. I've got to say that the best legislator I think I ever served with in the Senate was Ted Kennedy. And we had a lot of fights, by the way. But he was the best in getting something done, getting it through. He was also gregarious. And also he was willing to give his committee people a lot of leeway to do things.”

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  5. “mostly my colleagues well i gotta tell you i love tip o'neal i just to me He was a great politician. He knew how to take care of his people, but he knew how to push progressive issues. And he was just a wonderful guy. I'll tell you a story about him sometime. I don't have time on this podcast about how he saved me one time. But Tip O'Neill, gosh, I think of Henry Royce. No, no even from Wisconsin. Doesn't he know who he is? He loved Henry Royce. He was very good. Why?”

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  6. “I think that the news media, and I was going to say, now we've got to start talking about what he is. What does he really stand for and pointing those things out? And once they do that, I think Donald Trump will start kicking back. And he'll start just as he's wont to do, no matter what, he'll fight back, he'll punch back, and pretty soon the American people is going to see him for what he is. Not a big person, but a very small person.”

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  7. “People from now on, people are going to vote for their future. Keep in mind, only one I just checked it with Jeff Greenfield between 40 and 45 percent of the Republican vote. That's the Republican vote. What about all the independents out there and moderate Democrats? As you know, David, after the last election, Republican Party had this big get-together and decided what they needed to do for the next election was target young people, women, and Hispanics. And that's Donald Trump? So, I mean, no. And here's what I predict is going to happen. I think the news media also feels some kind of burden or they feel that maybe they They gave him too much of a free ride. They gave him too much publicity just for who he is and his bravado and all that.”

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  8. “No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Donald Trump cannot win the presidency of the United States. I mean, he can be a personality and bravado and people can laugh and they know who he is. They know what he is. They know his apprentice program and he's bigger than life. So no chance. And that'll be no, there's no chance.”

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  9. “Well, what do I think about Donald Trump? I think here's the latest reincarnation of PT Barnum. This guy is. I think he's an inveterate liar, for example. I think he lies about his wealth. He changes his position from one day to the next He is a personality It's like someone said Why is he a personality? Someone said, Well, because he's in the news all the time, he's on TV, he's on the news all the time. Why is he in the news and on TV all the time? Because he's a personality. You get that circular reasoning. But that's what people.”

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  10. “Security, I guess. Okay, so he used that. But then after he left, sometimes they changed the rules. And I can see maybe someone coming in, Hillary, and you got their staff there, and they look, and well, Colin Pal had his, we can have ours, and not really looking at what the new rules had been changed, by the way.”

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  11. “Not helpful not helpful And as I understand it, as we sit here making this podcast, and I don't know, I haven't delved into too much, but that Colin Powell had a private server.”

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  12. “People brought it up, but they didn't understand it. It was not that, didn't seem that there was anything. Now I noticed as we make this podcast. Inspector General of the Department of State has said that.”

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  13. “Look, I'm the last person to try to psychoanalyze anyone, David. I don't know. I think why? Why? Why, why? I think... I don't know, maybe something in her being maybe she just She can't let her humanity and her kindness, her sensitivities. Kind of come out. I'm just hopeful at some point in the campaign people see her as icy or not only a smart and honest and trustworthy that I've known this person, but someone that has a really deep human side to her that a lot of people just don't see.”

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  14. “And so I got him up and I brought Hillary out to meet these people. And oh my gosh, it was wonderful. And I said, really? I said, Hillary, you might think they came to see you. Actually, they're here because in that tree over there there are two baby owls, and they're watching these little baby owls and they'll look down. And Hillary says, Can I see that? So I took her by the hand, I took her down just a little ways, and there was this little low hanging branch in a pine tree, and there's two little baby owls looking out. And she just got really wistful and said, You know, this is really kind of what it's all about, isn't it? Just neighbors. Being nice to one another and just being friendly. It was a moment when I thought this is the real Hillary Clinton.”

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  15. “She wanted to have dinner a year ago or so Iowa when she first started out just with a few friends so they ask if they could have dinner at my house. I said, I got this little teeny place. I can't put people in. She said, well, I only want 10 or 12 people. So we ordered out some fried chicken from the local grocery store and this and that and had some drinks. And she came in without anybody else. And so we had a little male drinks and just friends. Some of my neighbors came around. They didn't know what was going on. You see all the black cars there and all that kind of stuff. A couple of my neighbors came over and I have a little front porch and I saw them out on the street. We just have one little street there.”

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  16. “I think first of all she's as people say she's very smart and she's a very hard worker when she came to the Senate and was on our committee which I later became chairman I wasn't chairman then she knew how to work with people and work with republicans and get things we got stuff done and I saw her working with people like Lindsay Graham and others and I thought she knows how to move the ball forward how to keep moving that ball forward Secondly, I think there's a side of Hillary that a lot of people don't know You know this little house that I told you I born raised in income I still live there I live in the house in which I was born not too many people could have say that still a small house only has about thousand square feet”

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  17. “Well, you know, first of all, I had a lot of young people tell me, well, I remember one meeting in Des Moines, well, how come she's so untrustworthy? I said, what do you mean she's untrustworthy? Yeah, she's untrustworthy in this and that. And I said, wait a minute, wait a minute. How old are you? 20, 21 years old. It's fine. I said, for all of your life, all you've heard is how bad Hillary Clinton is. The right wing and the conservatives, because they knew that after Bill Clinton, she's coming along. And as much as they can damage her over those years. So you've heard continually on her beaten up and beaten up. And I said this at the time in Iowa. I said, I've served with Hillary Clinton. I've noticed since 1992.”

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  18. “Author for Bernie. But will they stay in and will they continue to work for those progressive causes on the local level, on the state level, and in the next election?”

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  19. “I'm asking you this How you How I process it Look, here's how I process it. When I first ran for Congress in 1974, Huge turnout of young people in my district when I got elected huge at the college campuses you couldn't keep them away from the polls About two years later and four years later, they were gone. Young people just drifted away. Once we ended the draft and the Vietnam War went down, they didn't get involved. So what I'm saying to young people is don't just get involved for one or two months or If you feel that strongly, you better stand for the next campaign too and the next election and your local elections because they have a lot to do with who's elected up on top. But you can't. But they're doing it.”

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  20. “I've heard this speech years ago. As a matter of fact. But I'm hopeful that he'll do what Hillary Clinton did in 2008, call upon his supporters and say, look, we fought this fight. We got this great platform now. And now let's get together and back Hillary Clinton, and I'm going to do everything I can to elect her as president.”

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  21. “I think in the heat of the campaign and stuff, a lot of things like that are said. I have every reason to believe that when Hillary finally gets the delegates, and she is going to get, there's no way that Bernie can get them now. And he knows that it's over with, that in terms of his being the candidate, that he will then begin to negotiate for the platform and policies in the platform, and they'll begin to work that out. I'm predicting and I'm hoping anyway that at the convention he'll give a good stem winer speech like he always does about inequality.”

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  22. “I think maybe worse things have been said by opponents in other elections, and they've come around to support the candidate. Look.”

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  23. “Well, under dogs always say that, I guess. The situation is unfair. I don't think it's unfair. Those rules have been in place for those rules were in place when he started. It hasn't changed since he started. So he knew the field, the playing field when he got in.”

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  24. “Man, that harken is voting for war and all that. Take bits and pieces of anything and show that, of course. But you look at the long trend, I'll match my liberal record against Bernie Sanders any day of the week. Overall.”

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  25. “Well, yeah, we all lack judgment once in a while. Maybe I didn't discern that Bush was lying and they were all lying about this. Well, is that a lack of judgment? Sure, maybe it is. But is that a reason? Is that one thing a disqualifier? I don't think so.”

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  26. “He's wrong. I mean, look, maybe that's me talking about myself because I voted for that resolution. And as I've said many times since, and it's one of the worst votes I ever cast. I wish I could take it back, but I know what I was thinking at the time. And I went back and read my speech. I said, yeah, I just felt that this was just. And I felt there was a lot of politics in that vote. I felt that Bush and them were putting it up now that I remember before the election to scare a lot of people. That's just political stuff. That's just politics. They're going to keep those inspectors going. I just never thought they'd learned. So for Bernie to say that that is a lack of judgment”

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  27. “Late October, early No In December It was just shortly after the election, Bush withdrew all over the inspectors, unilaterally withdrew the inspectors. That's when I knew I'd been lied to. He had no reason to withdraw the inspectors. He could have sent more inspectors in there, and he just single handedly withdrew them all, and that's when I knew that they were headed towards war.”

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  28. “No, I never believe that either None of them were Iraqis. These were all Saudis. So here was my position. I said, look, if this is going to mean that we keep our inspectors there, and that's what I said in my speech, then I'm all for it. And they've told me this is not an authorization to go to war I think that vote was held in”

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  29. “No, I didn't even believe it then. Did not even believe it then. But what I believed was The more that we can get inspectors in Finance that French had an interesting suggestion at the time, there was never a number limited on how many inspectors we could have there. The French suggested in lieu of the war send in two or three hundred inspectors because there was no Under the agreement that we had. But so I bought it, I thought Bush and some of the people I talked to in the administration, the Secretary of State and others. We're very convincing. Did you think?”

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  30. “To make sure that we had the strongest hand possible to make sure those inspectors could do their job. David, you go back and read that. That's exactly what he said.”

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  31. “Think back, have to think back. Probably was some, but Look, I was really in favor of the UN inspectors. Now you got to remember what happened. Bush sent these, not UN, our inspectors under the guise of the UN to go in. It was our inspectors, not UNR, US, to go into Iraq. And he was praying. His things from the White House as well, he wanted this authorization. Not to go to war”

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  32. “In fact, I led the opposition to the first one in 1991. I and there's a whole story about George Mitchell, our majority leader yelling at me so loudly that on the first day of the, I just gotten resworn, I just gotten re-elected, and I stopped the Senate floor and Mitchell until we could have a vote on the first Iraq war. Paul Wellstone was with me on that. So that was that. That was that first Iraq war. Now the second one you're talking about, why did I vote? Well, sometimes I wish I could take it back. I really do. But here's why I thought, I have a speech in the record that you can read what I said at the time.”

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  33. “The advantage is obviously of great interest to me, and I like what I hear from you because you get it. You get it. Too many people don't understand that.”

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  34. “But the other thing is that what I keep saying is you want. The maximum extent possible. You want a young person with a disability, physical or intellectual or both to advance as far as he or she can possibly do to be independent so that parents don't have to worry that when they're gone, what's going to happen at the child?”

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  35. “I just can't tell you how true that is. And all these years I've worked with kids with disabilities, especially intellectual disabilities. And I understand that I never had a child with an intellectual disability. A lot of friends and relatives. But I can understand as a parent that you want to really protect him. You want to love him and you don't want any harm to come to them. And, you know, I understand. Mostly I just...”

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  36. “They fail at this or fail at that. So I've always been against this whole protective cloak we put over kids with disabilities”

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  37. “Summer internships so that maybe one summer you go here and you start something you don't like it, you can't do it, okay? Well, do something else so that by the time they finish school or whatever, move on, they've got a better idea of what they want to do. What they're capable of doing just like anybody else, David, it just frustrates me that When they say, well, they said to me, Well, when I was having hearings on this, somebody said, Well, you know, Senator Harkin, you're setting these kids up for failure. You're setting them up for failure. I said, so what's wrong with that? As a part of life. Kids have to know”

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  38. “Of course, individual education plan So, when you get those, then you should start working with them to find out what they want to do. What do they want to do, first of all? Maybe what they want to do is not possible. Well, they should find that out. Why protect them? Let kids with disabilities, especially intellectual disabilities. Let them try something. And they'll find out, well, maybe they can. Their level is and where they know they feel comfortable. Right. And what they can do. This is not rocket science. Here's the glitch. Kids in high school today get summer jobs. To get internships They get all this stuff. Kids with disabilities never get that. So we got to start, and that's what my legislation is, is to do more in making sure if you have an IEP, you have job coaching Job shadowing”

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  39. “Will you put your finger on a complex issue, but one that does have a solution, and one that we've tried to address over the years since the ADA, and that is this. You said choices. We've got to start working, and I try to do this in a bill that I pass right before I left the Senate. When a child has an IEP, You had an IEP for your doctor. Yes, still do.”

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  40. “So that's about the time when I became very acutely aware of this national movement to have a broad civil rights bill that covered all disabilities in America. And that's what I got involved in. That's how I got involved in the Americans with Disabilities Act.”

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  41. “Shortly after that, in the mid 80s, by the time I was running for the Senate, I met Danny Piper, a young man with Down syndrome. And you know, when I was growing up, you made fun of people like that. Down syndrome and I knew his mother and father, and he was in Ankaney High School and they took me and first time I ever met him was acting in a play. He was actually in a school play. He was manager of the football team, you know, took care of the helmets and all that kind of stuff. Sudden, my vision of disability had expanded a little bit further. People with intellectual disabilities.”

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  42. “They got a class in the second floor. He can't get to it. And then I went out and visited him, and I'd visit him. And then all of a sudden I became acutely aware of mobility disability. Now, Frank was, my brother was mobile. He could do anything, drive a car and everything Harris Kelly couldn't even go to the grocery store. Couldn't get over a curb, couldn't go in a building, couldn't take a class because it was on the second floor. Now, my vision of disability expanded.”

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  43. “I felt something about anyway. Center of the Navy was on the USS Midway and aircraft carrier, an enlisted guy working on the deck, and he was crawling under a jet plane in the pilot. In contravention of what he's supposed to ran his engine up to 100% and Kelly got sucked down the jet intake. You had a hard hat on, but it broke his neck, and he became severely paraplegic. And so he came back, went through VA, got rehabilitated, went to college. And I'll never forget, he called me up. Uncle Tom. Can you help me? What is it, Kelly? He says, well, I'm going to, he's at Fort Collins, Colorado, Colorado State. And they had this class up on the second floor that I want to take, but there's no elevator. I'm in my wheelchair and they won't move the class. Can you do something about it?”

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  44. “Oh yeah, in a lot of schooling and jobs and just everything, just, you know, just, as I said, a lot of times when people found out he was deaf, they just like he just disappeared. They wouldn't deal with him. He was like disappeared. And he's the one that told me one night he was sent to the Iowa School for the Deaf and Dumb. And he's the one that told me once. He said, I may be deaf, but I'm not dumb. And he said something else to me later on about the time he was getting driving, getting a car, he said. They tell me I can't do. He said, the only thing I know I can't do is here. There may be other things I can't do, but I don't know that I can't do them. That's really interesting. The only thing I know I can't do is here. So that was Frank. And then I then in the late 70s, my nephew Kelly, my sister's boy, entered the Navy.”

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  45. “Wow. But that was impressive. That's impressive. Yes. Okay. Well, so Frank, and then that's my brother. And I just saw this.”

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  46. “He became deaf when he was about five or six years old, spinal meningitis. and he became deaf. So I think all his life, he had some memory of speech. But most people couldn't understand, I could understand him, but most people couldn't understand. You”

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  47. “Well, what drew me to that was I grew up with a brother who was deaf, and I saw how he'd been discriminated against in so many.”

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  48. “Well, for the first four years, no, Ruth's, my wife stayed in Iowa. But after four years, we now our parents, and so then Ruth moved. So you raised your kids.”

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  49. “It's become hard edged. I think social media has a lot to do with that. The amount of money that we have to raise in campaigns now and people sleeping in their office because they're only there three days a week. No, we used to be there a lot.”

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  50. “Say Well, what we lost is we lost a lot of conservative Southern Democrats who became Southern conservative Republicans. That's where they are now. All those seats down there, those used to be Democrats.”

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