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Trae Vassallo

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“Thanks, Lauren. See you next Friday, and thanks to you for listening. This has been another episode of Ricode Decode. Recode Senior Media Editor Peter Kafka will be here on Thursday, and next Monday I'll be back on this show with another great guest. Tune in then.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know, thank you. I told I was. I was in the desert with a bunch of Germans self-driving a car, and we will discuss that on the new podcast.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two bears to ask. That's too embarrassed to ask a new podcast starting this Friday, January 15th. Lauren, give me a quick thing of what your favorite things of Romes is, and then we will close.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so our first episode of the Too Embarrassed to Ask Is this Friday, January 15th, we'll be talking about all the things we're doing and seeing here at CES. We're still doing and seeing them right now, so we will get back to you on that. But if you have any questions about CES or anything else we've been writing about on Recode and the Verge, let us know. Please tweet me at Kara Swisher with your burning tech questions. Laura, how can people reach you?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's a new podcast. Again, it's going to branch off from Rico Deco. Now we have two Ricode Decodes, one with me doing interviews and one with Peter Kafka. And now this is a new podcast. And you can listen to it on Reco.net or subscribe on iTunes. And all the details about how to get it on recode.net will come this Friday. But again, it's a separate show because we felt like there was all kinds of things to talk about that we couldn't just do in a short amount of time.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My Kara Swisher does. Yeah. Oh, I'm super excited. Are you okay? Yes, I really am. This is going to be. Yes, you are. Okay. Yes. So you'll still be bossing around. Well, I am your sidekick who is actually in charge. That's how I still”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thank you. And this is a part of the show where we ask and answer questions from listeners. But this week, Lauren, I have a very important question for you. How would you like to host your own podcast about the”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, we'll talk about that in a second. But normally, this is a part of the show where we would talk about those things like drones and cars and my delightful helicopter trip to the Grand Canyon where I had lunch.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. So, if we sound a bit different, here's why, because we're in this hotel room recording this. How is CES going for you, Lauren?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Hey Lauren, we're here at CES in Las Vegas recording this in my luxurious hotel room compared to your hovel that you're staying in, correct?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I really enjoy talking to Michelle and Trey, but now it's time to hear from another very important woman, Lauren Good of the Verge with some very big news.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you enjoyed the interview as much as I did, be sure to subscribe to the show. Be the first to listen to future episodes or catch up on previous episodes, including some really fantastic interviews with Lena Dunham, Ariana Huffington, and Erica Baker, all of whom are women, just to name a few. We do have men too, all on recode.net slash decode. Also be sure to check out our other show Recode Replay. We have scores more red cheer interviews from all our events, including Ellen Powell, Mary Berra, and Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton, whom you might have heard of, also all women. All this and more at Ricode.net slash replay. Today's two embarrassed ask is brought to you by Audible. com which is more than 180.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is fascinating. Right. All right. Well, get on it, Michelle. Let's do a survey. That is an interesting, gosh, that's interesting. Anyway, thank you for coming by and thanks for joining us. This is a critically important issue and one that I hope doesn't sort of get lost in all the other things that happen here because it's an important part of making Silicon Valley the best place it can be.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I work for myself. I know, but you've been an exec. I'm trying to think. That is a really good question. Well, aren't straight-headed people better? Like, no, I'm teasing. No, no, I do not.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Someone In like the past month that I have. That's interesting. You know what I always do? Like, I try to plague Harvard people because I don't know if you notice this, but they mention within 25 minutes they went to Harvard. And so whenever someone says to me, I went to Harvard, I'm like, where is that? And they're like, Boston, I'm like, MIT? And it just, it literally drives them crap. I'm like, Harvard. Oh, okay. Cool. I'm completely ignorant. I don't know why they believe me, but it works every time. Now I've given up my secret, but I enjoy doing it. But you're right, schoolism and schoolism.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So we asked, you know, again, we had lots of open ended questions, and we asked are there other things that you're getting biased against, and we had race, we had ageism in both directions, you know, over 50 or I was one of the youngest VPs at a publicly traded company. We also had snobbism about schools. I went to University of Michigan.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“First of all, I would love to thank a handful of folks because this really started with some conversations over coffee with a number of folks that include Ellen Levy, Hillary Michael, let's see Monica Lees, Julie K. Oberweiss, and a big thanks to Bennett Porter and the survey monkey folks for really helping us put this together and get it out really quickly. And a huge thanks to Michelle here, who just did a ton of work to make this survey work well.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And why would you associate it with non white people when in fact, again, boards are full, packed full of incompetent people, which is really interesting. All right, let's finish up. What do you want to finish up on? This is so depressing. I'm going to cry soon.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's not Right, right, exactly. Which is interesting, but again, this lowering of stand just drives me crazy. It's like, why would you lower it?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, and part of the problem is those boards are generated by the networks of who you know. Yeah, it's not like they actually done a deep research recruiting process where they've actually gone out and found qualified candidates. Right.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. One of the things that I find fascinating, I was just at Dropbox talking to their gay group, but it moved into issues of race and gender and age, too, which is another thing, you know, the Peterpan culture here that's a whole other topic of conversation. But one of the things that I thought I'm always sort of irritated by is this idea of with boards when I argue with CEOs about their ridiculously overweighted dude boards. They're like, well, you know, we don't want to lower our standards. And I was like, why is that never mentioned with men? And by the way, you have at least six idiots on your board who happen to be white men. And, you know, you never talk about lowering standards of anyone else but around women and non-white men. And it's really non-white people at all. And it's a really interesting thing that's never brought up with men. And again, having covered Silicon Valley companies, I literally can tell you most of the boards are literally the stupidest people I know. You know what I mean? They just aren't qualified and yet they get a pass and it's really interesting when it becomes women like we want the very”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And again, getting back to the elephant in the valley to begin with, it really is about, I think women are aware, acutely aware of this problem. And this is really about bringing the rest of the men to understand that this is a pervasive issue.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And Accountable to it. Twitter was one. I think Intel is doing Google and Mark Benioff at Salesforce. At the same time, I also do think there are places, boards, for example, and I do think VCs and the funding. It does matter. It does matter. And it shouldn't be incumbent upon women to have to change this, and men should be part of the solution here.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, I don't think you can point the bottleneck at any one thing. I mean, I think part of the issue, at least, you know, we've had this conversation among circles, is that it's such a boom time right now. And that in times of crazy success, you know, it feels a bit wild west. And so I think things like gender diversity just are further down in the list from becoming the next unicorn company. So I do think the right thing is prioritization. And we just need to keep making it a priority. We need to keep bringing it up. We need to bring up data so people have data and not just one-off anecdotes. Right. And we're starting to see companies start to publish data and hold themselves accountable.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where do you think the bottleneck is? Is it VCs? I mean, a lot of, you were in the venture industry for a long time, right? It is what it is. It doesn't change, it seems like.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think there is an awareness that women are not getting elevated and more and more women, especially in engineering and venture capital. There's no places for them. They're falling out of it. There is a desire to increase diversity, but you need to address this problem before you can really. Where do you think that?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, if I were the CEO of one of these companies, I would do specific research among your female executives and ask those specific questions, you know, and try to really have a dialogue around that. Because, you know, companies do these HR surveys, but they're not getting at these specific questions, and specifically at the senior level. Right.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You got that. Yes. That was not taken Right. I think one of the issues is people have to keep at it. I'm committed to this at Rico to keep writing about the issue, and not just with gender bias, with all kinds of diversity issues and bringing it up at our events and things like that. But I think, you know, in this sort of twitchy culture we have, people walk away from topics. Oh, that was hot. Alan Powell was hot. Now we're talking about this. Now we're talking about Trump. Now we're talking about NSA, whatever. It's a super move on quickly culture, but this is a key issue to the continued success of Silicon Valley.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that getting the story out there, which is what we're doing today, and all these statistics are available on the elephant in the valley.com. You got that. Yes, that was not taken. So, you know, we think that just gain the story out there and letting people know how prevalent some of these behaviors are will just spur the conversation. So, you know, and maybe 2016 is going to be the year of the conversation. I loved John Ryan's piece on Recode. He wrote beautifully about this. I mean, I think there's a lot of conversations happening in 2015 and maybe 2016 is the year that organizations are really going to pay attention and try to put some processes in place.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let's talk a little bit about solutions. There may not be any solution here, but there's all these also statistics that show that diversity is important, not just for women, but all kinds of people together in one place are better than the same kind if you have the same sort of monochromatic group of people, in this case white men, essentially. And you have these statistics from every single company, Facebook, Google, all the big ones, Apple, Amazon, where the numbers are just disheartening, 70% white men in positions of authority. That's an enormous number. A couple companies like Slack, who spend a lot of time making sure this doesn't happen, they're getting more to the 50% rule of lots of different groups of people here at Recode, we had 60, 40 women. Now we don't, and I'm very aware of it and want to change that, change the numbers. But I spent a lot of time thinking about it. What did the solutions get people to think about and think that it's important and valuable?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think the last two are common. Yeah. Super common. And then always say they didn't notice, which I think is kind of fascinating when you mention it over and over again”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that's the case, or they really might not be aware of it. I mean, it would be interesting to see if you are in the same meetings with those people train and what they say. But, you know, I think that part of the reason we did this survey was A, just to quantify and see whether these were individual anecdotes or was this really a systemic problem?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, you know, I've also resorted to I will pull someone aside after a meeting and actually tell them you're doing this, you probably don't realize you're doing this, but you need to know because it's uncomfortable.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Will not look you in the eye Monthly all the time. It's really interesting. I was just thinking about that happens to me a lot. It doesn't tend to happen to me recently. But at our Code in All Things Deconferences, Walt and I always plotted, and I always sat in the middle so that the typically male CEO could not avoid me because they'd always try to address him, even if I covered it more, even if I drove them crazy. It was really interesting. And so they literally, I was in the way, so they couldn't avoid me. It was a really good tag. It worked. It worked very well.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I definitely wanted to make sure we highlighted a few that I've experienced over my career. And I would characterize these as some of the unconscious biases. There was one question we asked around how many have been asked to do lower level tasks that male colleagues are not asked to do, for example, note-taking, ordering food, things like that, 47% of women have had that experience. We also asked the eye contact question. And again, this is one I've experienced quite a bit where you're in a meeting, you have a male colleague with you, and the person you're meeting with is always looking at your male colleague and will not look you in the eye. 84% of women have had that experience and 45% experience this monthly.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“About gender bias, about sexual harassment, and other issues facing women in tech. You have more statistics. We were just talking about a range of disturbing and depressing statistics. Why don't you add some more in?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
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2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, or longer in Mark's case. Of course, you got like enormous kudos, you know what I mean? Exactly, right? What woman would?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's common Fall into that. That women don't get, even though men have children too. Exactly. Now, does that change, think about Mercer Mare famously said she's only going anyway two weeks after twins, which is astonishing. And at the same time, Mark Zuckerberg's taking off, I don't know, eight weeks or some enormous amount of time for his kids. Does that change the perceptions when people are doing things that are sort of out of the norm?”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And again, we ask for anecdotes because we wanted to understand okay, what does this mean to you? And we were seeing things like, you know, how do we know you're not going to run off and have a baby, unquote? Yes, that's common. And it's a good thing you don't have children yet. So, you know, there's lots of conversation like that that fall into that. That women don't get.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Questions. Yeah, I think that's not entirely true, but it's still, it creates a, it's typically only women that get asked that.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh boy, I think there are lots of reasons, but when it comes down to it, there's just a folks who feel comfortable with other folks wanting to let down their garden hang out. Right. It's harder to do when you're including people with lots of big variation and differences in who they are. And so, I mean, I think that's one of the reasons socially. There's a long list of things, I think, for today, we are really here, not to talk about all the reasons why, but to really just bring the data to the forefront and say this is what people are experiencing and then step two is”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We're not invited Why do you think that is, Trey? You had that experience at climate percentage. Why do you think that is and other places? Why is that the case”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, right. The things that you can't do that creates bonds. Turn your knife. You ski and go to stripes. Excellent. But it's what creates bonds between people at these social events.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I just want to emphasize one stat that Michelle had said on being passed for promotion stat. There's another corollary one, which was that 60% believe that they've not had the same opportunities as men in their profession.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That you couldn't just be. Yeah, that's always a word bought. Cheryl Sandberg went on about that issue. I think she's 100% correct. It's meant to stop you. It's a word that's meant to get you to be quiet. And then when you're too quiet, you're not aggressive enough, which is really kind of this swirl that women unfortunately get caught into.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, but then half have been told they're too quiet. So one of the anecdotes that we got was that a company X, we had a joke that there was only two reviews for women. You were either too reticent or you are too bossy. There's no middle ground.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Two and three have said that they have received inappropriate comments about their appearance. And we heard lots of women saying, I'm not going to wear anything that's too tight or too short. I've gotten comments about wearing high heels. Like, really? And then 84% have been told they are too aggressive.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, moving away from the sexual harassment, half of the women said that agreed that they did not get a seat at the table, so they have been passed up for promotions or new opportunities specifically because of their gender. So that's half, which is kind of a lot. So, those are the things which you can't.”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Get a satisfying act when you don't all kinds of issues in social justice happens all the time so that it didn't even though Silicon Valley has put in lots and lots of HR things around this and it doesn't work”
2016-01-11 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Trae Vassallo and Michele Madansky, Co-Authors, "The Elephant in the Valley" · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT