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Major General Kazura

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  1. “I am trying to emphasize the fact that we need to train our people to be able to do their jobs while we wait for various other measures to be taken. At the same time, we are trying to get the proper equipment into their hands. As General Ahmed said, we are happy to be getting more equipment to deal with the situation. I just want to remind the Council that delays in getting us that equipment are not going to help, because the terrorists are not going to wait until we get equipment before they act. We need to be able to react now, even though we are waiting for equipment.”

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  2. “Once again, I would insist on the fact that in the environment that we have in Mali today, the people we have who have been wounded and killed were in fact killed because they were the ones who were on the ground and they are the ones who are moving. They were not killed while they were at home sleeping; they were killed while they were out trying to do their jobs. I would also insist on the fact that we need to see how we can protect them and how we can train them to be able to deal with the real situation on the ground. In that regard, I salute what Operation Barkhane has done in Aguelhok today, because they have sent a liaison detachment that is now trying to cooperate with the Chadians and help train them. If that can be done in other camps by other countries, that would also help.”

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  3. “Obviously, we need to continue to think about that. The troops we have on the ground were sent to deal with peacekeeping missions. It is consistent with what General Dos Santos Cruz was talking about - attitude and mindset. Having the attitude and mindset of a peacekeeping operation and then turning it into anti-terrorist activities is something that we should be thinking seriously about. The only way to go about that and to find a solution is to try to train our people to know exactly where they are, and, of course, after training to supply them with the equipment that is suitable for responding to the problems we have today. Those were the various questions that I was asked to respond to.”

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  4. “Indeed, the movements say that they control an area, but when our people are killed they say that they do not know what happened. I do not think that is acceptable. I have been asked by many Council members about the intervention brigade. I believe that the Brigade is being thought about in the context ofa strategic review. As General Dos Santos Cruz said, if we are strong on the ground, we send a good message about ourselves and about the United Nations in general. If something happens today and we do not react, then we are in fact encouraging them to do something similar or even more lethal tomorrow. That is something that people should think about with reference to our case in Mali. I was trying to answer that question, even as the leadership of the United Nations is trying to think about it. General Ahmed talked about training.”

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  5. “We may think - and this is on the political side, which the Council is more conversant with than I am - that the talks in Algiers need to come up with something that is concrete, so that there can be some stability on the ground. Various movements and actors on the ground have involved themselves with the problem, saying that, if the talks in Algiers do not produce a good solution, then we need to prepare ourselves for tomorrow. By "preparing" themselves they are actually creating more clashes. That kind of ungoverned situation gives the terrorists the leeway to continue to organize and kill our people. As I said before, I think we need to continue to push the movements to be accountable in the areas they control. They claim that they cannot understand how our troops are being killed.”

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  6. “That is why I am grateful for the cooperation between the United Nations Multidimensional Integrated Stabilization Mission in Mali and Operation Barkhane and others, which have enabled us to be where we are, even if we still have a problem. I think we need to intensify operations now, because we need to pin down the terrorists today so that we can have time to organize our own troops for subsequent action. If we do not do something today, we will be in trouble. As the Council members know - I think they know it better than I do - we have such problems not only in Mali but also in many other countries in the neighbourhood.”

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  7. “Now that we know that we have a different situation compared to what we had yesterday, I think that we need to adapt and find new solutions to the problems before us. I am saying that because, as has already been said, we already have 30 troops dead on the ground and many more wounded. As I was saying, I do not want to believe that such assaults are going to happen again, but it can happen even as we speak. Once again, I think it is time to look at what exactly we can do now and what we can do tomorrow and what we can do in the future. It is good to prepare for what we will do in the future, but we need to understand that we need to something right away to prepare for the action that we may encounter tomorrow.”

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  8. “Major General Kazura: I thank the members of the Security Council very much for their comments, and Lieutenant General Maqsood Ahmed and Lieutenant General Dos Santos Cruz for theirs. With respect to the various questions asked, I will try to base my answers on the comments of Lieutenant General Ahmed. In fact, the strategy needs to respond to many questions on that point. Again, I am going to go back to the subject of where we are today in Mali and talk more about the problems we have there, so that we can see what can be done about them. I was very happy to understand that we all speak the same language in terms of the situation on the ground. We are no longer involved in peacekeeping. We now have another programme: responding to terrorism.”

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  9. “Its contribution to transforming northern Mali into a stable area is more necessary now than ever before. Otherwise, that part of the world would increasingly become a dangerous place to live, and the threats to troops, allies and the population would be even more severe, with negative effects for the entire region.”

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  10. “The second phase will see the pace of the Mali Defence and Security Force reorganization stepped up, with a View to taking over and fulfilling its mandate of defending the nation. In the long term, there will be a need for the international community to continue to support Mali in its efforts to rebuild the country through a variety of processes, such as disarmament, demobilization and reintegration, and security sector reform processes, justice and national reconciliation and socioeconomic development. I have used the case of Mali as a clear example of showing that the specific challenges military contingents are facing today under new security environments require new organization, planning and guidance. As for MINUSMA, it needs to adapt itself to new challenges and stay the course.”

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  11. “With regard to immediate action, I wish here to salute the successful Serval/Barkhane Operations, which led to the stability that Mali has enjoyed for months, and to state that today more than ever before operations against terrorists in northern Mali are absolutely crucial, with a view to regaining initiative and allowing MINUSMA forces to be reinforced in terms of necessary equipment, training, intelligence collection and logistics to be able to fulfil its mandate. In addition, the laudable efforts of United Nations leadership to give force command authority and flexibility to deploy troops where and when it is deemed necessary with required means to do so should be continued. Furthermore, armed movements should be made to understand that they should be held accountable for what is happening in the areas under their control.”

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  12. “Many questions can be raised and many answers can be found, but today is not a good time for questions; it is time for action, and the decision to act has to be taken now, because, as we gather here today, we may very well receive bad news again - God forbid! The new security environment MINUSMA is trying to handle is a security situation for which it was not ready. If it has to change its role from peacekeeping to antiterrorism fighting, that should be urgently planned for and done properly. It is against that backdrop that I wish to express the following expectations from MINUSMA military contingents, which could be expected from any contingent under such a security environment.”

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  13. “The reality on the ground today is that MINUSMA, which is supposed to be a peacekeeping mission, is facing a terrorist network that is combining patience, intelligence, coercion and brutality to design and direct its attacks when and where it wants. MINUSMA is in a terrorist-fighting situation without an anti-terrorist mandate or adequate training, equipment, logistics or intelligence to deal with such a situation. The questions we are likely to ask ourselves here today include: What is MINUSMA there for if it cannot deal with the situation? What should we do to stop the killings if MINUSMA should stay there, and who should do it? How long will it take us to answer those questions satisfactorily?”

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  14. “The whole area was and is still occupied by the armed movements and the terrorists. Since May, the terrorist groups have managed to reorganize themselves and have increased their deadly operations against international troops, especially MINUSMA, which has a greater presence in that area and is paying a heavy and deadly price. Today more than ever, MINUSMA has serious concerns related to re-emerging terrorist threats in that area. The northern ungoverned area is becoming a sanctuary for terrorist activities that are coordinated and facilitated by organized networks with financial, military and human resources, which, in time, will be able to conduct even more lethal operations with horrendous security consequences for the whole region and beyond.”

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  15. “The successful Operation Serval and the African-led International Support Mission in Mali, and especially the Chadian operations conducted last year, broke those groups' backbone and managed to stop their criminal activities, which they had sought to extend throughout the entire country. The relative stability following the operation allowed MINUSMA to carry out its mandate successfully. As a result, peaceful elections were held, State authority was gradually brought back to the north and people were expecting the signing ofthe final peace accord according to Ouagadougou agreement. The failure to implement some provisions of the accords, as well as the occurrence of the sad events of 17 and 21 May in Kidal, have completely changed the security environment in northern Mali.”

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  16. “In fact, the security environment in Mali was threatened for a long time by a series of coups d'etat, which created a political and constitutional crisis, on top of which was an already extremely vulnerable situation characterized by a volatile mix of problems such as drought, food shortages, migration, armed insurrections and heavy weapons proliferation. In addition to that, the recent increase in criminal activity perpetrated by a variety of armed movements and terrorist groups, such as Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb, Ansar Eddine and the Movement for Unity and Jihad in West Africa, has recently proceeded to violently change the same security environment and to sow further chaos, especially in the northern part of the country.”

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  17. “Major General Kazura: It is indeed an honour and a privilege to address the Council. The changed security environment I am going to talk about in the next 10 minutes or so is one that is threatened by armed conflicts and religious fundamentalism, in addition to economic, political, social and environmental crises. This security environment is fuelled and sustained by such existing complex and unresolved security challenges as corruption, internal tensions, violent extremism and radicalization, illicit trafficking and terrorism. That is the kind of security environment under which Mali has been living for quite some time.”

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