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  1. Congressman Ronnie Jackson for the pills on these foreign trips and the memories. You kept me up, you put me down, you were there for me before you became a total MAGA lunatic.

    2021-06-14 · Pod Save America · “Trump Leaks and Tax Cheats.” (with Rep. Val Demings!) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. Yeah, the previous Almighty made headlines of one of these events by punching the president of Montenegro, I think. So, yeah, you know, he's Biden stepping over a low bar here, but good for him.

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  3. These trips are high wire act. So far, I think Biden's doing pretty well. I mean, look, not all of the deliverables that activists and policy folks want to see out of every summit, but again, it's the first one. So, you know, look, for a guy known for a lot of gas, we have not seen a lot of Biden gaffs.

    2021-06-14 · Pod Save America · “Trump Leaks and Tax Cheats.” (with Rep. Val Demings!) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  4. In my Last thing, every foreign trip involves a fight over press access. In one case, I remember an Obama foreign trip. Robert Gibbs almost got his foot broken by a bunch of folks in, I think, the India security services who are trying to lock our press up. That's a good version of the fight. The bad version of the fight is when reporters complain that they can't cover stuff. So right now, as of my count, the press seem pissed that Biden and Putin aren't doing a joint press conference. I think Biden's doing one solo because the last joint press conference with Putin and Helsinki went so well for America. They're also mad that.

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  5. No comment. And now I am. I titled this section Age is just a number. So, like symbolism, public diplomacy, they're a big part of every foreign trip. I try to get out of that one fast. In the UK, a critical piece of that is President Biden's visit with the Queen. So Biden became the 12th president to meet the Queen. And he said she reminded him of his mother, which I enjoyed because Biden is 78 and she is 95. Leaving that one

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  6. So, I did some quick Googling and found references to Obama romances with Biden, John Boehner, Prince Harry, Justin Trudeau, David Cameron, Narendra Modi, David Brooks, although I think we'd all agree that was more of a torid love affair over many years. I could go on and on. But yes, to your point, Love It. The longer headline is more apropos. Okay, also on these trips, leaders give each other gifts for some reason. The results can range from poignant to boring to weird. I don't know if you guys saw this. Apparently Biden gave Boris Johnson a fancy handmade bike from Philadelphia cost like six grand. It was a nice thing. Boris Johnson gave Biden, quote, a framed photo of Frederick Douglass printed out from Wikipedia.

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  7. Arms with French President Emmanuel Macron. Macron tweeted out a photo or a video of himself talking like super close with Biden that one Twitter user described as him looking like a cooked up tech founder pitching Biden on his startup. Love it. Question for you. When did Bromance enter into our lexicon?

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  8. No, you're at, like, I was really right. Trump's approach was trade war and then pay off the farmers in the U.S. who were hurt. Biden is trying to internationalize the problem. And I think that's a better approach long term. I mean, but love it, you're right that fundamentally the biggest difference on this trip is just the vibe. Like even Boris Johnson, who is like Trump's biggest cheerleader, is calling Biden. Quote, a breath of fresh air. That's remarkable. Yeah, he had racist attacks against Barack Obama not long ago. And there was a pew poll that showed, you know, these 12 countries they surveyed, they found that America's favorability basically doubled as we went from Trump to Biden. So, okay, like we said, a lot of these trips include important foreign policy announcements. All of them generate stupid narratives and headlines. So let's talk about some of those because they're more fun. The first, guys, is Bromance. The Daily Mail declared that Bromance is in the air. President Biden was seeing joking with Justin Trudeau, the Canadian prime minister. He was seeing locking.

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  9. I mean, I think the answer is there have been real changes since Xi Jinping came on the scene and he's been increasingly aggressive, not only at home with installing a surveillance state and throwing the Uyghurs into concentration camps in western China, but also just hammering any country that dares to criticize the Chinese on any issue, hammering the NBA, hammering movie companies, John Cena, like literally everybody who gets cross-eyes.

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  10. Okay, last thing was a big change in tone on China. So at the beginning of the year, the European Union had signed this major trade and investment deal with China. That deal is now on life support because they're frustrated with the Chinese. And this week, the G7 called on China to respect human rights on Hong Kong. They called on them to respect human rights with the Uyghurs, and they basically told China to chill out with threats against Taiwan. And now the Chinese military is a big topic in NATO. What do you think?

    2021-06-14 · Pod Save America · “Trump Leaks and Tax Cheats.” (with Rep. Val Demings!) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  11. You think Biden had to say to the other G7 leaders? Sorry, I gotta fucking coal miner is my prime minister back in the States. Joe Manchin's my 51st vote, and so I can't do much. I mean, probably. Yeah, look, I mean, the G7 countries, I think, are like 20 to 25% of global emissions, which obviously is just a piece of the puzzle, but it does require some leadership from us, from the more developed countries to then go pressure China and India and other countries whose economies are still developing to say, hey, please stop using these plants. And we'll help you with that transition.

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  12. The other big issue is climate change, right? So the G7 countries came out of this, they committed to getting to net zero carbon emissions by 2050 activists again wanted a lot more, specifically they wanted the G7 to agree on a hard date to stop the use of coal, and they wanted the rich developed countries that are part of the G7 to cut checks to help developing countries cut their emissions. So guys, it's always fun to transition from a conversation about one existential threat to humanity to another. But again, like people are very frustrated about this outcome. Love it. Do you think it's fair to expect more out of Biden on climate change like this early in his first term? And do you think this just, again, like raises the stakes on passing our own climate infrastructure bill?

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  13. I couldn't tell either. I do think that the politics of this are harder for some of these European countries that are behind us, but there is certainly a capacity issue. It's not just like the number of doses you can manufacture. It's actually building the infrastructure to get those doses into the arms of all the people who need them. And I think that last mile problem has proven to be a problem with some of these COVAX programs

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  14. A lot of activists have been really hammering the G7 for falling short on this issue. There's obviously a moral element to the need to get the world vaccinated. But I guess my question for you guys is, do you think these G7 countries should be a little more concerned about this, in particular for selfish reasons because an ongoing pandemic is going to stall the entire global economy and make it harder for everyone in the same ways we saw ourselves like limp out of the financial crisis? That seems like a bad setup to me.

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  15. Oh, guys, it's been a blast. It's been a hell of a trip. So he met with the G7 countries in the UK, G7 is US, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, and Japan. Now he's in Brussels. On Wednesday, he goes to Geneva for a meeting with President Putin. So I want to give you guys two buckets of things we can talk about today. Some news you can use, and then some stupid shit because foreign trips will always spin out all kinds of stupid narratives. So let's start with the news you can use. The first is around COVID. That's obviously the focus of the G7. The US announced they're going to donate 500 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine as part of a roughly 1 billion dose broader commitment by the G7 to COVAX, which is this international organization to get the world vaccinated. Now, like a billion doses, it's obviously a lot. It's obviously good, but it is well short of the 11 billion doses that the World Health Organization says they need to vaccinate 70% of the planet.

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  16. That there are a bunch of DEMs who have been more willing to listen to and do favors for Wall Street and some of the richest people on the planet than to change the tax code and make it so it works for actual working people who we claim to represent and it sucks.

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  17. There's a lot of leftist critiques of the Democratic Party that I find frustrating and at times unfair. This is not one of them. It is a problem. Totally agree.

    2021-06-14 · Pod Save America · “Trump Leaks and Tax Cheats.” (with Rep. Val Demings!) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  18. One, I think it absolutely makes sense to tax capital gains as income. It's a no brainer to me. I don't think that's going to slow down investment. It's clear that a lot of these economic arguments against taxing the super rich are bullshit when you read about how these people are literally just hoarding wealth literally forever until they die, right? So I could care less about those. I would love to see more proposals like Biden's that are basically message bills. I want to see tough votes on these issues, like force a vote on a tax increase on income and cap gains for millionaires only. I don't care if it doesn't raise all the revenue we need, just force the issue because Biden has it in his plan, but I think the Democratic Party needs to do a lot more to make this a really uncomfortable issue for Republicans. And look, if some moderate Democrats are swept up into the fight because they represent a bunch of hedge fund people in like Greenwich, Connecticut, I don't really care. I think we have to be for this.

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  19. I mean, look, the key problem, the biggest threat as a Republican Party, right? Like they wake up every morning hoping to stuff the courts full of people who are gut regulations and then use reconciliation to pass tax cuts for the richest people. But if Republicans are holding up the bank, Democrats are driving the getaway car, right? Especially these moderates and wealthy districts. To love his point earlier, I don't think Democrats have played this issue well because for decades, we have gotten bogged down in a fight about the estate tax and how it somehow might impact farmers when that was total bullshit. It's really about the Koch brothers. In truth, you know, in some ways, like we're past the point of that estate tax fight even mattering anymore because rich people have found so many new ways to avoid even paying the estate tax. So I think Elizabeth Warren did a lot of great work pushing for the wealth tax. There were questions about the constitutionality that they're going to have to work out, but I think it's worth the fight. On the Biden piece of this, John, like.

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  20. It's pretty gross. But longer term, I do think the Democratic Party needs to make this one of the top two core messages and things that we talk about every single day because it is wildly offensive to anybody who reads about it when you see these tax avoidance schemes spelled out and we see just how unfair the system is when you are a billionaire.

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  21. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a huge problem because they're very clear in the New York Times piece about private equity that good tax lawyers basically just run circles around most IRS auditors anyway. And so that makes it hard to recoup any of these funds. And in some cases, even during the Obama administration, efforts to clamp down on these loopholes actually made it easier for super rich people to obey taxes. So it's a big problem. I do think it's clear that we need to hire more people at the IRS and tell them to prioritize audits of the super wealthy. Longer term, there needs to be some sort of reform of the tax code so that the IRS has better tools and laws and regulations available to them to tax wealth and not just income. I don't think it makes any sense to anybody that this is how our system functions, that working people, you know, Warren Buffett always talks about how he pays less in taxes than his secretary. We didn't realize just how much less

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  22. Look, the uncharitable description would be sort of parroting some of the worst excesses of the Trump administration by telling your new AG to go after your former opponent, right? You at least have to worry about the optics of that and think long and hard about like the proper channels and ways to do this. I do think like we obviously can't let Trump get off and get away with a bunch of crimes he may or may not have committed. I just think we have to think long and hard about how

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  23. Tommy, last word on this. I mean, look, the hard thing here is the Department of Justice is supposed to be independent. You're not supposed to politicize these investigations. The president of the United States isn't supposed to direct these investigations. That is 99% of the time a very good thing. I just talked about the examples of these leak investigations during the Obama administration where that independence wasn't a good thing because they went after a bunch of journalists in ways that really pissed Barack Obama off. And I think he wouldn't have wanted it to happen. In this instance, I have some sympathy for the Biden team. The question I guess is just like, by what mechanism are you looking back? I do think it's entirely appropriate for the DOJ Inspector General to figure out what the hell happened with these subpoenas. It's entirely appropriate for the intelligence committee or the House side and the Senate side to look into the way prosecutors may or may not have been abusing their power, seeking the records of members of Congress, seeking journalist records, et cetera. But it's like, you don't want to get into a place where you are.

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  24. The last question on this for you guys, I remember this NBC story right after the election where it had like five sources close to Joe Biden said he really doesn't want to spend a lot of time in his presidency investigating Donald Trump or looking back at sort of the Donald Trump administration's wrongdoing and criminality. It does seem like up until now both Democrats in Congress and Garland's DOJ, Merrick Garland's DOJ has been sort of reticent to do a lot of investigating of the Trump administration. I don't know that they're going to have that much choice anymore on whether or not they do that. But what do you think about the wisdom of that Lovett?

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  25. To us, right? Because Trump was publicly accusing Adam Schiff of leaking classified information, but it's still pretty shocking. And so it does seem like all of this is kind of pouring out right now because, well, of course, Biden took over the Department of Justice, but also last month Biden said he would not permit DOJ to seize these kinds of records from journalists, as Congresswoman Demmings said. That's a good step, but it's an administrative step. And, you know, to get to a permanent fix, you're going to need Congress to pass some sort of new law that says like these decisions aren't just up to the discretion of each administration. And this gets complicated, right? Because you have to decide then who is a protected journalist. Is it the New York Times? Is it Julian Assange? Is it all of them? Like, that's not easy. But yeah, I mean, this is, you know, some shocking stuff, especially the whole matter of going after Adam Schiff's emails. I mean, that's crazy. Love it. What was your take on this whole story that broke Friday?

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  26. In two different leak investigations. It was the wrong thing to do. I think Obama thought so as well. And after that news came out, he basically told Eric Holder to go back and review DOJ's rules around how you manage these cases. Holder ultimately put in place regulations that made it harder to go after journalist records. And he made it so DOJ would have to notify news outlets about a subpoena so they could fight it or negotiate over what they turn over. What's new here is that Trump's DOJ demanded that Apple turnover records belonging to members of Congress and seemingly a minor child of one of the members of Congress. Two, the government imposed gag orders on these news outlets and told them that they couldn't talk about what happened. And then three, they seized these records without giving these reporters any advance notice. And there's also reports that Don McGann, the former Trump White House counsel, had his records turned over by Apple. I find that more confusing than anything else, which is like setting that aside. But I guess none of this should be a surprise.

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  27. I think so. It seems like they're going to get there. She said all the tools, all the tools they have, which is good. I was going to ask you, I mean, there's obviously a lot we still don't know. But how do these Trump DOJ leak investigations seem different than the leak investigations under Obama or prior administrations, just for people who are listening who might not know? Sure. So, I mean, just like the broader context is, right, when there's a news report that has classified information in it, sometimes it will get referred to the Department of Justice to open an investigation into what happened. And the goal is to find and punish the government employee who broke the law, but sometimes in the process of that investigation, DOJ has demanded records from journalists to try to find their sources. I was interviewed as part of two of those leak investigations. And even though I knew I had not done anything wrong, it was terrifying and awful. So during the Obama's first term, DOJ prosecutors at DOJ seized phone records and email records from reporters.

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