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1. “For what you do, I promise you it will always come from a place of deep love and comes from among the people. And I hope on your podcast you will put where people can click on it, the 14-point agenda for the healing of the nation.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

2. “Tranquility, but guess what, David? When we swear the upholder constitution. Establishing justice comes first. You can't have domestic tranquility unless you establish justice and you can't hold on to domestic tranquility. And yes, you provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare. And only then, only then. Maybe we need to stop talking about left and right and centers and talk about constitutional analysis of policy because only then do we have a liberty worthy of being passed on to our prosperity.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

3. “43% of this nation, and it's more now, 43% of this nation before COVID was poor and low wealth. We cannot be the nation we hope for if plus 80 million people are without health care in the richest nation in the world. We cannot be the nation we hope for if folk don't have affordable housing, if four million families get up every morning and buy unleaded gas and can't buy unleaded water. And it's not all on President Obiden and Harris. It's not about whether Biden is going to be better than Obama. People are pushing that thing right now. The issue is, are we going to be better as a nation? And our role as a moral movement, deeply rooted in policy is to say if we don't do these things, it's constitutionally inconsistent, it's morally indefensible, and it's economically insane. Everybody wants healing. They want domestic.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

4. “from Appalachia to Alabama, from Kansas farmers to Kentucky fast food workers. We're going to bring people together from Maine to Massachusetts, putting a face on it, changing the narrative, building power. We did a study with Columbia University and they said in 15 states, if just one to 22% of poor and low-ware people were to register and vote around an agenda than voted in the past, they could shift who sits in office in North Carolina, in Florida, in Arizona, in Michigan, in Ohio. So I think our work as a moral fusion body is not so much the grade, but to keep saying, And here's the bottom line we cannot, we have to say this, we cannot ultimately be the nation we hope for. I said this at the inaugural sermon, unless we repair the breaches. We cannot be the nation we hope for.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

5. “People are angry doing Trump. You don't want people to turn to despair. You don't want them to feel like they heard some things and then it got stopped. One parliamentarian has more empower in the 62 million poor and low wealth people who make less than $17. We've got to continue to give the strength. And so instead of grading, we're going to end the poor people's campaign continue. We started 100 days more Monday for 100 days. We're going to launch another mass poor people's low-wage workers assembly virtually in June. And then we're going to announce a mass poor people's low-wage worker assembly for June 21st of 2022 in person. If we had 2.4 million people online, I don't know how many we'll have in person, but we're coming. And we're going to push this 14-point agenda. You know, we're going to keep putting a face on the problem.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

6. “what we updated we what 55 of voters poor no wealth said to biden harris we believe you when you you say you're going to do 15 you're going to deal with systemic racism you're going to save the democracy you're going to expand health care Our goal is not so much to grade, but to continue to push because. Worst thing is what happens to a raisin in the sun?”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

7. “We met with the policy team and we put forth a 14-point agenda for the healing of the nation. And we said to heal the nation, you got to deal with the sicknesses. And the sicknesses are rooted in systemic poverty and systemic racism that predated COVID. They received this. And a lot of what was in that bill and in the upcoming infrastructure bill is in there. Some of it we call for more. Some of it needs to be made permanent. We were moved that he kept his word thank God for President at least keep his word. He kept his word and put 15 in. He kept his word and said he was going to do infrastructure. He kept his word that he was going to get money to the municipalities. All of those things were good. We were disappointed when Manson started rumbling. There was a stepping back and saying that it might not get in and some of the stuff that goes on in Washington, D.C.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

8. “I would always be humble because he's president and I don't see everything he sees. But let me just tell you what I do think. First of all, after the Election, we met with his policy team. We said we didn't want to meet the president because they had things to do, they're trying to get a cabinet run.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

9. “Is the people in this country who were the first to get sick, the first to get infected, the first to get sick, the first to get die were mostly poor and low wealth workers who saved this country during this pandemic. And from a moral perspective and an economically sane perspective, we cannot have them go through this pandemic. And the EPI Economic Policy Institute says people will not be able to come back out of this pandemic because they went into it already broken. They went into it poor and low wealth. They went into it with only 39% of Americans able to afford $1,000 emergency. And we have to have a fundamental shift in policy around this.”

   2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

10. “Out, it then forced it to have the only way you could do it because there was no overriding now. Bernie had to do an amendment, but the amendment only needed one vote. Lastly, we didn't elect Joe Manchin. We elected Joe Biden. And Joe Manchin, in his own state, I went up there and white people in his holler that grew up, knew his mama. They told him they knew his mama. They said, do not take the relief out of this bill. They said Robert Byrd did not put the bird rule in for this. They said there are 352,000 of us in this state who make less than a living wage. So I come up from where the people are. What we're talking about doing is far too late. And the truth of the matter is while we celebrate the historic things that happened in the bill, a lot of them are temporary. It got to be made permanent if we're going to have permanent change. But here's what we say, David, is.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

11. “Lessens the impact. We said it should be immediate. We haven't raised it in nine years. We've waited 57 years since the March on Washington. If you want to talk about black people, it took us zero to 400 years to get to 725. Secondly, it was what was run on. And they didn't say if the parliamentarians said they said we have to have this because people are working at poverty rages and we're going to stop treating people like they're expendable while we call them essential. Thirdly, the parliamentarian has been challenged before Hubert Humphrey did it, Nelson Rockefeller did it. Trent Locke fired one over tax cuts and got the tax cuts he wanted. The parliamentarian is not a constitutional officer. He advises. She advises if they had advised and it had stayed as it was out of the house, they advised against it, the vice president could overrule it, then it would have taken 60 votes, not a one vote, not a 51, 60 votes to take it out of the bill. When it was rewritten in the senate and taken out.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

12. “No, what we said was the house passed it. First of all, we argued for it to be immediate, which would have made it, would have had more impact on the budget, which is one of the concerns of the parliamentarian. We said it should be immediate, not spread out.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

13. “the king connected economic justice and voting rights you can't separate the two you can't really come up out of how we got into this pandemic economically because when when we've done our studies there are 140 million poor nowhere people in this country prior to covid if you look at the supplemental income measurements the way we do that columbia university does and there were 62 million people in this country before the pandemic that made less than 17 an hour So you cannot fundamentally lift this economy even prior to COVID without having a minimum wage, a living minimum wage. And 15 David, last thing, the Rachel Washington asked for $2 minimum wage, which would be $15 today. So when they did that, they said no to 40% of black workers that would have risen up out of poverty and low wealth. 40% and millions of people.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

14. “And the reason I say that, David, is because, and I'll just be honest with you, I thought one of the most racist things that could happen, one of the most class, most ugly forms of classism and elitism, was when eight white Democrats, five men, three women, joined 49 white Republicans, one black and say no to an amendment to keep 15 in a union in the relief bill. And here's the reason why. That was the Friday before Bloody Sunday.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

15. “This fall, we invited Trump and former now President Biden to a we must do more organizing, registering, educating people for the movement who vote. 1.4 million people showed up. Trump didn't come, President Biden did. And he said that ending poverty would be a theory of change, not just an aspiration. We're in a moment where we have to push now. I pray that we don't make critical mistakes like, for instance, framing the fight for 15 as only an economic battle and not both a battle about dealing with systemic racism and dealing with economic injustice.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

16. “And we, in the Poor People's campaign, we're moving from Alabama to Appalachia. We're bringing communities together. We have 43 coordinating committees now. We're bringing communities together to address these five interlocking injustices, systemic racism, poverty, ecological devastation, denial of health care, the war economy, the false marginality of religious nationalism. Last June, we called for a mass poor People's Assembly Moral March on Washington. We couldn't have it because of COVID.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

17. “For the white Negro masses to vote together and to enact labor laws and fight for economic justice, the Southern aristocracy deliberately sows division. I think that's why you see so much money going in now to these over 200 voter suppression laws. It's a fear. I also think this is a time where Democrats have got to decide not to be focused on so-called neoliberalism or focus on being centrist, but decide that they're going to be constitutionalists and say, for every piece of legislation, how does it establish justice? How does it lift from the bottom? If we can speak to the third of the electors, poor and low wealth, which is really the only place to expand the electorate, and only in 29 million poor and low wealth people that could have voted didn't vote this last time, but 55% of poor and low wealth voters making under 50,000 did vote for Biden Harris. That's significant.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

18. “People to gather the biggest gathering ever in the south around these combined issues. Now, where are we today? I believe we're in the birth pains and almost of a third reconstruction. I believe that extremists understand that they can't win the demographic battle in the South is changing, that they were scared when Obama won Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida in 2008. Georgia has happened now, but more important than just those states, there's a Democratic shift. I believe they know that a third of the electorate is now poor and low wealth. Almost a third of the electorate, 65 million people. I believe they know that one-third of all poor people live in the South, one-third of our poor white people live in the South, that the demographic shifts, particularly in the South, afford us a powerful opportunity to return to fusion politics. I don't believe the South is red. I believe it's more unorganized than it is red. I believe what Dr. King said in 65 at the end of the Selma Montgomery March when he stood on the steps of the state capitol, that every time there's a possibility.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

19. “Election procedure exactly now to be honest, we didn't believe that redistricting plan should have ever made preclearance passed under Obama and under the Obama administration and Eric Holder. We fought that way, but it did. And so we had to deal with what we had dealt with in 2012. But in 2013, when it passed, a Republican senator said now that the headache has been removed, they brought 587 back up and gutted Senate Bill 666 and put all of that in 587 passed the worst vote of suppression bill after the Shelby decision. We filed suit within 40-some minutes. That launched Morrow Monday movement because we were saying if they're going to crucify health care and crucify public education and then crucify voting rights, then every crucifixion needs a witness. And for two years straight, every Monday, over 1,500 people got arrested in February 2014. We had 100,000.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

20. “A supermajority, the governorship and the senate, the house, and they started out denying health care, cut unemployment, cut public education, attacked the LGBT community, attacked the immigrant community, and then during Easter Week this week, David, they put a bill on the floor in the center and passed it, and the computer named it Senate Bill 666. I kid you not. It was the worst vote of suppression bill. Then they tabled it. And then they passed a bill in the household 587 that had photo ID in it. And then they tabled it. And then they waited until the Shelby decision. And on June 25th, when that decision came down, a Republican senator in North Carolina said, now that the headache has been removed.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

21. “He ran and lost on Election Day, but he won doing early voting same day registration. And during that time, we took, we pushed a million or so black and brown voters and students to register early and vote on the same day. That story isn't often told. And it was right after that. You know, David did in 2010. You had the backlash, but you also had all of a sudden all of this caused a fraud, fraud, fraud, right? 2012, the Republicans win through cheating. They went through vote of suppression. More people voted for progressives than they did extremists. But in 2010, the Republicans passed the worst resegricing law. And we have to fight it in court because it made this muster through pre-clearance, even though later on it was called racist surgical racism. And the tune.”

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22. “Because what it did is it brought black and white people together in ways in the South and transformed the country. So in 2007, using that model, we forced Democrats who controlled the House and the Senate in North Carolina and the government to finally pass same-day registration, early vote. Then President Obama, you were there. You know, that's where I know you.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

23. “Well, let me do a quick panoramic view and come right to that point and tell you where I knew you from. I started this conversation. In 2007, when 2005 when I took over to NAACP, we immediately started to be a fusion coalition modeled after the 19th century. The only time in the South where black and white people came together for a period of time and fundamentally shifted the country, it was violently disruptive. And then you had the second reconstruction, which was in the 1960s. But oftentimes we do not look hard enough at that first reconstruction move that happened from 1865 until the early 1880s and a little bit in the 1890s. It needs to be looked at more.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

24. “Desegregation. That's where they started. They also are anti-living wages. They also are anti-health care once the child gets here. They also are anti-public education. So at one speech, I said, we can't have people coming in our communities in a Trojan horse and saying, stand with us against gay people when in fact you stand against us on everything else. And that resonated.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

25. “Second of all, in scripture, there might be two or three scriptures that seem to speak against the issue of homosexuality, same gender. But there are 2,000 scriptures in the Bible that speak to how the majority of the work of faith is to stand against the poor, the oppression of women and children, and the least of these. And then none of the scriptures that even a little bit suggested there might be something wrong, which most of them are misinterpreted, none of them trump Jesus, who never said anything about it, and none of them override Jesus' call to love your neighbor and yourself. That love is the center of who we are. And when we began to teach that and when we showed also that the same forces that claimed they're against same-sex marriage, their heritage is being anti-”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

26. “That's right. And I'm actually a proponent of same-sex marriage, but not from a political standpoint, but from a theological standpoint. First of all, Everybody that's here in my theological tradition have ended the imago dehi. God created them.”

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27. “Well, let me correct the record a little bit. You know, I don't consider myself a black church pastor. Father wouldn't allow that. I'm a pastor who pastors in a which had black people in it.”

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28. “One is heretical ontology, the suggestion theologically that this is God's doing, the claim that the racism and the sexism or the anti whatever is of God. That's heretical. And so we have robust conversation, but there are those who don't want to have it because they can't have a Christian conversation. So for instance, we challenge Jalwell and Franklin Graham and some of them to a conversation they wouldn't have the debate. They won't have it. See, even Evangelical was hijacked.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

29. “demeaning a certain group's personhood, not just citizenship, but their personhood and making it subhuman. And when America made the terrible mistake of elevating citizenship over personhood so that certain people might be people, but based on that color of the skin, they can't be citizens. And then lastly, I would say the great struggle is we've had five of them. I like to say the whole system of racism and oppressions grow out of five, the evil economics, the end justifies the mean six sociologies. Some people have to be subordinate to other bad biologists. Some people are less than because of their skin color, their brain size can be determined by skin color. Political pathology where every time you're trying to move forward, as Calhoun said, racism is underneath the table like a crouch cobra ready to bite anybody.”

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30. “As Tisha Coach says, grace is the son of racism. Racism is the system that was designed to split black and white people and others from working together, particularly poor and low-wealth people. And the categories of race were created after the Bacon's rebellion in the late 1600 through the 1709, 1708 slave codes when race became a category as a way of”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

31. “The problem is you had the religion of the slave master and then you had the Christian of Jesus as Frederick Douglass and you can never equate the two as just being opposite sides of Christianity. One is it's like you didn't have two armies in America. You had the Confederate terrorists and then you had the army, the Union Army, right? And the same in the church and the Civil War started in the church before it started in the society. The church is split almost every church, Methodist, Presbyterian, Baptist, all split prior to 19, I mean, 1846-47 in America before there was a Civil War. Secondly, historically speaking, Oppression in this country, particularly that driven by race.”

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32. “Sometimes, and let me try to unpack in short order a couple of things though. The struggle of Faith versus heresy in this America has been at the core of her existence. Dr. Sierrak Lincoln used to teach me, said the problem in America is you had Christianity and then you had Americanity.”

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33. “And so that's how I understand theologically from the prophets to Jesus. And when things happen to me and my family, we try to look at what does this experience teach us about what does this experience call us to do? And who does this experience call us to stand on the side of because we can never relish in the fact that we have it and others don't.”

    2021-04-01 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 436 — Rev. Dr. William Barber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

34. “In the Jewish tradition, one of the greatest, the most powerful passages of Scripture is Isaiah 10, where it says, Woe unto those leaders who robbed the poor of their rights and make women and children their prey. We don't often talk about the rights of the poor, but Scripture does. And then that great Yom Kaportex, Isaiah 58, where it says you can go through all the religious ceremony you want to. But if the nation is going to be a repairer of the breach Must stop exploitation in the workplace. You must loose the bands of wickedness and stop blaming the victims and bring the poor into the center of society.”

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35. “Some of them who I would have deep respect for, but I went with her, I took my daughter with me. And when we were in the room talking to her, myself, Hillary Shelton at the time, my daughter said, excuse me, I need to say something to the senator. And she said, do you want people like me to die? I need you to vote. She said, this is not even enough. But you need to do this. And she's a writer today. They call her Minnie Me. She's short and strong But in my faith tradition, it's blessed are they who mourn and howard Thurman said, mourning is when you care so deeply about other situations that you work and you suffer underneath of those oppressions to change them. My faith tradition says that nations Government will be judged by how we treat the poor, the sick, the immigrant, the stranger and those without.”

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36. “Austin decided that he was against healthcare. She actually called him out in the newspaper and said, So you want your patients to die, Mr. Carson? What is your problem?”

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37. “It made me think when I went in, I had health care. Know wife was a nurse or whatnot. What did people go through and they don't have it? And I think that when people say they're blessed, I say for what are you blessed? What do you mean? Because if it means you have something that other people don't have and you think that's what makes you blessed because you have it, I actually think, no, you're blessed if you have it and they don't and then you fight for them to have it because it should be accessible to all human beings. It should be a human right. My daughter had hydrocephalus at a year and a half. We could have lost the interest and she was operated on by Ben Carson.”

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38. “I'm ready now to do the therapy, whatever I need to do. I need one thing. Can I call my mother and can we get a piano on the floor? He said, what? I said, I just need a piano, my mama, to play some hymns of the church that I grew up on, that my daddy had taught me, like, if this world from you withhold all its silver and its gold, and you have to get along with me. Just remember in his word how he fed the little bird. Take your burdens to the Lord and leave them there. And that's how I did therapy. And yeah, 12 years on the quarter.”

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39. “Don't have anybody by that name that's been amputated in hospital. So I decided that God sent me an amputated angel. And her prayer and what she said to me shook me that I needed to get over my vanity. I needed to get over whatever it was, that whatever God was asking me to do, whether it was to lead the march, I could just roll if it needed to. If it was to stand in the pulpit and I could sit down or I could stand and hold my walker, but this was not time to quit. I was not the first one. Everybody in the scripture that God used had some physical disability from Moses' stuttering to Elijah's battle with bipolarism to Paul's thorn in the flesh to Jesus being a man acquainted with Sora Miriam having leprosy. And I could go on down the line. Mary Magdalene having her struggles. Get up. And so I told the doctor.”

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40. “And next morning I wake up. I guess I was awoke. And this lady was in my room in wheelchair. I write about it in a book. She was in my room. She said, I came in here to see you. She said, My name is Miss Watson. I said, she said, they tell me you ain't here pouting. And I said, ma'am, I really don't want to talk to you. She said, well, you can't go anywhere. And she said, look at me. I'm amputated. They're going to give me two new legs. But I'm going on to heaven eventually. I'm going to get these brand new body. But you have work to do. And you might as well get over being crippled. You might as well get over and just do what you've been called to do. I said, ma'am, you really need, I just don't want to talk to you. She said, well, I'm going to pray for you anyway. And so in whatever this was, she prayed for me. And next morning I woke up or I got up. I don't remember exactly what happened. I felt different than I called the nurse and I said, there's a lady on this floor. I want to talk to her. Long story short, she went try to find a name. Doctors came in and said, well, who you talking about? Because they thought something else was going on with me.”

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41. “Ain't killers inside your body. But I went through some period of time. I didn't want to talk to anybody. In fact, there's a story I write about in my book where I was just bad off, man. I had some preachers call me and tell me that it must be my fault because if I had faith, I wouldn't be like this. And I got a new family. I'm just starting in government. I didn't have 10 years. I didn't have any of those things. know that i had a the church i just gone down uh and uh i you know so anyway i went into a time of very serious anger depression and i the doctors i could hear them outside the room worrying about me psychologically it wasn't that i was mad at other folk i was just trying to figure out what in the world is because you got to understand up until that time pretty much anything i touched and wanted to do work”

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42. “I mean, I say this because people need to know that. Folk, they see as strong. Theologically, Lord, you call me to preach now. I can't stand. I was in so much pain every time they tried to paint medicine, Demarall wouldn't touch it. I went all the way up to 2,000 milligrams. Then state tried steroids, and finally they found some things that worked. And then they had to, they put me through a series of therapeutic, physical therapeutic things with the tinge unit to actually elevate my body's pain level and the ability to produce its own morphine out.”

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43. “Had a baby on the Just started human relations director, had started what they call full-time but part time at the church. And while I was there, they told me. I might never, you know, walk again. It was a whole lot of things about what they could and couldn't do in terms of taking out the hip and what could happen if they took.”

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44. “And every time I jump, the pain would just. And then I heard one of the emergency docs said, it could be bone cancer. We don't know. We got to get the amp at that. And I started screaming, you know, amputating my leg. No, hold it. Long story short, I found out that I had a major, major, major flare of ankylosum. And it left me on a walker in a wheelchair, spent two and a half months in the hospital.”

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45. “In 1993 and the last Sunday of July, I borrowed a text from Dr. Sam Proctor, a subject he had preached a sermon entitled Giants Keep Coming. And I acknowledged him but then put it in terms of how David in the Bible faced Goliath at the most inopportune times of his life. And that Friday, I went to get out of bed and I moved my leg and David, I didn't know what was going on me. Pain hit me and ran up my leg. I didn't know whether I was having a stroke or what. And they had to call the ambulance. They took me into the hospital. It was hurting so bad. Literally, the pain was so bad. My leg was jumping. It was like somebody kept sticking a hot poker on the joint and it was just doing like this.”

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46. “A very severe offer. I'd say it's like a laser guided missile. It only affects certain things. It devastates the spine, the neck, hips. And it can hit anybody. And when it's in full aggression, it can shut you down. I mean, it can kill you, actually, because of what it can do over time to squeeze the chest cavity together. fuse the spine and have effects on all of your electrodes, you know, your electro. Connections in the body. I preached four Sundays.”

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47. “The mothers grabbed me at the back and said, you're going to be our pastor. And I said, man, he's like 80-year-old women. I said, no, they said, no, you're going to be our pastor. We're going to start praying about this. And so they invited me back. And I came back one time. And then they asked me what I consider. And I wrote all this long letter about if I was to consider what concerns I would have because the church had had some trauma with division. And they said, this is what we want, this is what we need. Slowly but surely, next thing I knew. Said yes”

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48. “You all do not have to consider me or evaluate me while I'm preaching because I'm not candidating for the church. I preached, and afterwards the mothers grabbed”

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49. “Because they would say now, the Bible says a hireling is not a good shepherd. And I say that in its context. I didn't plan to go to that church of David. I was still, after I left my first congregation, I still had some sites about going to law school. I figured I probably wouldn't pass. I would preach. And I spent some time as the campus director of campus ministry at my Alma Matera. And I was called to Greenleaf because they were without a preacher. And they called me. I knew of the church because my father was also a historian and a writer. And in his books, he had written about this congregation, one of the older congregations founded by former slaves. So I went there and I stood in that pulpit, Dave, and I said to them, I'm here to preach one Sunday.”

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50. “And you know the mothers in our church. If they were hearing this, they would say, now David, he didn't get called to a job.”

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