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Abby Phillip

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“That it's TBD because we're still in the middle of this very important consequential conversation about the future of economic populism and political populism in this country.”
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“So, where are we going? And I think that's still kind of unclear. But I think one thing that is not unclear is that this fight for the working class American is well underway. And that is the pitched battle that both parties are in right now. And I think that's what this book is about. How do you reach those people? And if you are a Democrat, how do you reach those people while also not abandoning the coalition of voters that makes up the Democratic Party? And I think that is where there are so many lessons from Jesse Jackson. But I also just, I mean, it's as a writer sometimes you want to be able to say, well, this is what you do with this information. And I think the answer is actually...”
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“I started it. Yeah. And I just started anchoring my first show Inside Politics when I started this. So, I mean, bad timing. I will concede. Yeah, I mean, it took a while. It took a while. But I also think, you know, part of it was. In writing this book, I kept struggling with how does the story end? Like, what's the conclusion about today's politics? And because every four years, right, something massive happens in our politics. You know, in 2020, when I first started. Then in 2024, Biden loses.”
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“Yeah, I mean, the brown paper sacks could be a lot of different things. It could be very nefarious. But in that case, it was not. But it just tells the story of. Also, those people. They were the type of people who their family and friends would have not wanted to see them at a Jesse Jackson rally. But they showed up anyway because he was the only candidate talking to them, the only one.”
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“Yeah, I mean, some of those stories were not even reported on. I talked to some people who were there, which is how. I was able to write about it, but in the newspapers, it wasn't, people weren't writing articles about Jesse Jackson talking to farmers all that often. And you imagine what would have happened if they did.”
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“They had the sacks on their heads because their farms were being foreclosed on, they were protesting against that. And they were hiding from the people for closing their farms. But they wanted to show up at this Jesse Jackson rally. And I tell the story in the book about how they did, he did this rally with them and then they went to a church down the street and the farmer sat with the sacks on their heads in the front row and the pews of the church listening to Jesse Jackson give this like stem winder of a speech in a church and it is It's the story of this candidate who was so different from everything else that was going on. But I think part of it was the media environment. There was no internet. So a lot of that never really broke through. I mean, some of those stories. You probably would have done much more.”
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“And that was symbolic, not just for the press, but for himself, because I think he, it was important to him that people saw that he envisioned his campaign as encompassing more than just people who looked like him. He really did believe that the message that he had resonance with those people too, and they did, more so than I think people recognize, because it just doesn't get remembered. I mean, in the book, there's this great photo that I am obsessed with because it's like Jesse Jackson and he's standing, I think he's on a tractor. And there's like a young boy, like a young white boy in the photo standing next to him. But then all these men, farmers with sacks of brown paper bags on their heads with their eyes cut out.”
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“And then so he really had a connection to this place. It was literally a small town, a tiny, tiny town. And there was nothing there. It's close to Missouri. So then when he announces his campaign, all these farmers from across the border come just to hear him. And it's this kind of like they're in this old, this barn area and they've got people on tractors. It's that kind of vibe. And here he was, this candidate that everybody was like, well, that's the black candidate. And he doesn't launch in Des Moines. He doesn't launch in one of the bigger Iowa cities. He goes to the country where there are really only white people. And there are a lot of farmers and there are a lot of people who otherwise have no reason to be interested in his message and drew a big crowd and launched his campaign there.”
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“You have Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I mean, Jesse Jackson launched his campaign in 1988 in this small Iowa town called Greenville. He had gone there like the year before and was invited by locals and went to this church and it was like, I think it was like Super Bowl Sunday or something. And a thousand people showed up.”
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“And that's, I mean, that's not. Not to say that Jesse Jackson and Donald Trump have anything policy wise in common except that they understand that you have to talk to people about their actual lives in really concrete ways and paint a picture for them of their existing life and then the version of it that you're arguing you can change. And I think he really understood that well. And I think Trump understands that really well. That's why it's been really hard, I think, for Democrats to respond to Trump because I think he's kind of stolen some of their messaging on some key issues and figuring out how to get that back is going to be part of the task ahead.”
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“Talking about hollowed out factory towns and steel workers who need to go back get back to work and how we need to stop being engaged in foreign wars and spend the money on bridges and roads at home. And it's like, wait, who does that sound like?”
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“We used to have candidates like this. He was with farmers between the two campaigns, between 84 and 88 with farmers whose farms are being foreclosed, rallying with them. He was going down to the Deep South, back to Selma, and talking to the guy who, you know, 15, 20 years earlier had been on the bridge beating the civil rights protesters. He went places that I think even today you don't see a lot of Democratic candidates willing to go to, trying to persuade people who normally wouldn't be inclined to talk to him and actually succeeding in large part. And then those speeches, both the 84 convention speech and the 88 convention speech are very good speeches. They are arguably some of the best ever to be delivered at a political convention. And they also, when you read them, you're like, oh yeah.”
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“Absolutely. And that's part of the misconception about his candidacy was that he spent a lot of time in places that Democrats don't go anymore. You know, he was at farm aid with Willie Nelson talking to. About progressive politics. And this is like what it's like our”
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“And, you know, I mean, in this moment, you have to ask the question, okay, there are probably some Democrats who do this, but the Democratic Party doesn't know what to do with them. Maybe it's... And they have to figure that out. But the one thing I will say is that Jesse Jackson had this base that was so energized. It was a lot of young people. It was a lot of disaffected voters. It was a lot of new voters. And he brought them into the political process. And then the party was kind of like... Don't really need them. It just wasn't a priority to sort of bring those people fully into the process even while he lost the primary, into the general election. And I think that is a sort of lesson, right? That it can be a mistake, even if you don't endorse the sort of Left wing politics of a certain candidate, what do you do with their people?”
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“Against Ronald Reagan, who was very much not that, who actually was the sort of like, how do you move people kind of figure on the right? And so it is such an, to me, it's such an important takeaway from Jesse Jackson that some of it's a skill. You can't really teach it, but selecting for that in candidates, I think can be really important because if you have a candidate who can speak to people, who can understand how to craft an argument that addresses the practical day-to-day needs, economic needs, safety, education, people's futures, you can actually speak to them on that level. That is, should probably should be the price to entry, and it's not really anymore.”
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“Moved by stories and emotion. Yeah, exactly. You got to tell a story. And I do think that that is a lost art, or it's increasingly so, a lost art. I don't know what kind of, you know, candidate school some people need to be put through, but I just think there's definitely a rise of the sort of dominant Democratic candidate that doesn't know how to reach people on an emotional level. But to be fair, to be fair. Jesse Jackson was running in the 80s. He was running against those types of like almost technocratic candidates, right? And that's one of the reasons that they lost Spectacularly.”
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“That's the thing. I mean, that's the thing that you come away from this when you really dig into how that campaign unfolded, his unpredictability, his ability to kind of capture the moment, to be creative, but also to speak to people in a certain way. I just think that the last few campaigns that I've covered, especially candidates who have run for president in the Democratic Party, they substitute Reaching people on a soul level for a laundry list of policies. I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody would think that that's a good substitute. It's not a good substitute.”
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“Because again, like for the white Chicagoans who he needed for the general election, Jesse Jackson coded radical and civil rights and black power. And so even in the 80s, and he and Harold Washington were friends. He was kept at arm's length. So that was nothing new. And the fact that that did not really change after all that time, I think it just says a lot about the country and just how you have to navigate race and how you have to navigate the people who do have ties to those movements who were seen to have been asking for too much from particularly the white power structures that, you know, especially in the 70s and the 80s controlled most of our politics.”
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“The Obama campaign, and I don't want to speak too much, you're part of that world, but understood that for some people, you know, I think for most of us, we think, wow, these people are heroes. This was such an amazing time where we pushed the country into a period of, you know, reaching its true potential. But there are a lot of people who think civil rights movement and they think radical black power activists. And it is politically very dangerous to be in that space. And Jackson couldn't avoid it because that is the history that he came out of. But even at that time in 1980, Three, when Harold Washington was running for mayor of Chicago, and Jesse Jackson was a really big part of helping make that happen, even Harold Washington had to keep him at arm's length.”
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“Light Touch King, not like a heavy touch. It's like And I'm And look, I think that that's a common theme. When Jesse Jackson ran in the 80s, the fact that he came out of the civil rights movement was a problem because it coded radical to a lot of white Americans. And I think”
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“It meant a huge amount to him because I think that he does live with some regret over that lost opportunity to have a relationship with the first black president, somebody who probably wouldn't be in the White House had it not been for what he first did.”
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“I remember the picture of him in Graham Park with tears in his face. I mean, all of that said when Barack Obama won, Jesse Jackson reacted the way a man who was standing feet from Dr. King when he was killed would react. A black man being elected president. Disbelief, hope, fear, love, And a little bit of regret that he wasn't able to do it, but joy that Obama was. And so those emotions were very real. And I think he had a lot of regret. He said so about how that relationship transpired. And I mean, your lack of, the fact that you don't have a memory of Jesse Jackson being part of the Obama world is because he really wasn't there. He hardly ever went to the White House. After the fact They're both in Chicago, they've met. I wrote about a relatively recent meeting that they had. And that meeting meant a lot to him.”
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“But it was unwise for him to say it where he said it, and the fact that it became public was a huge problem. And afterwards, you know, he gave interviews where he's Jesse did, where he said, I regret that so deeply. Because the truth is when Obama won, Jesse Jackson was.”
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“I don't know. I mean, I think the truth is, Obama allowed people, not him personally, but the fact of Obama was sort of a permission structure for people to sort of put Jesse Jackson to the side, or at least that's how he felt about it. And I do think that some of that psychologically played a role here. I mean, I talk to people on the Obama side and people on the Jesse Jackson side, people caught in the middle of the two. And I think that. Ego, right? Jesse Jackson wants to be remembered. He wants to be honored. He wants to be given his due. He didn't always feel like he got it from both Obama and his team. He lashed out in certain moments as a result of that. In other moments, like in the hot mic moment, he was actually saying something that other people were saying.”
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“Yeah. Well, there's a very important reason for that. And it's because their relationship was not great. And despite their Chicago ties and the family ties and all of that stuff, I mean, I explored this in the book and it's complicated. Yeah. Because I think that a lot of people involved in that have a lot of regret, are kind of confused about why it turned out that way. I think people acknowledge that Jesse Jackson. And some degree of resentment played a role. Right, that Obama was.”
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“Yeah, the hot mic moment where he. I remember that being a thing on the campaign. Which, by the way, that's a whole thing in terms of taking something that somebody says in a break and then publishing it. And then I remember”
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“Because it's easier. You don't have to deal with the full scope of their life. And I think in some ways he was blessed to live a long life, but I think the length of his life and the range of things that he did sometimes works against him.”
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“Very, very few people have that many years on the books in public life and inevitably that means that you are going to have people who have all kinds of different views about you, all kinds of chapters of your life are going to get forgotten. And I think that just the longevity of his life has been a part of the picture. It's just very easy to lionize people when they Leave us in an untimely fashion”
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“This incredible skill of connecting and oratory and also an incredible amount of, I don't know, a desire to be in the public eye. Some people would say arrogance, ego. Not unfamiliar if you know people who run for president. Psychological turmoil around his father and how he grew up. There's all of that mixed together in this person. And so he was really polarizing. And I was talking to someone else just recently also about just the fact that he has lived as long as he has. And that contributes to it too. He is 84 years old. And so for the last 60 something years of American history, people have known who Jesse Jackson is”
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“Totally. There's a lot of drama. I mean, that's the truths personally, I think, are very fraught. And I get into this in the book, that when he ran for president, he did not have many endorsements, even from black elected officials. In fact, he had none in 1984. And in 1988, he had a few more. But overwhelmingly, a lot of his friends and colleagues, they endorsed the establishment Democratic candidate. I think some of that has to do with not just the political part of it, but also just his relationships with people. And I think also Jesse Jackson Character, he has like real main character energy in the sense that he has a lot of Personality traits that are double edged swords.”
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“And it turns out that foresight was exactly correct because 20 years later, and this is why the book is called A Dream Deferred, is because it took 20 years for this to actually, you know, be seen. But that became the thing that allowed Barack Obama to bypass what would have been a blowout from a much more establishment candidate. It's also the thing that allowed Bernie Sanders To have as much leverage and influence as he did in 2016. And in 2020. There's so much about how he conducted politics, and we didn't even talk about the issues, but all of those things make him a very consequential figure who doesn't get a lot of credit for that chapter in his life.”
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“We wouldn't have done it. And I mean, in a way, it's like think about the foresight of that because there were so many people in the 80s who were like, why run a black candidate for the presidency? You know you're not going to win. This country isn't going to do that in this moment. And they were right about that. But I also think Jesse Jackson had this sort of tactical intelligence about the value of leverage. Some of that was built up for years and years of using leverage to get concessions from private companies on diversity and all kinds of other stuff. But he understood leverage really well. And he really pushed in both of those campaigns toward getting to the convention, getting changes to the platform, getting changes to the nominating process for the Democratic Party, the nuts and bolts of how you even get a candidate, let alone what that candidate stands for.”
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“Yeah, I mean, look, Jesse Jackson and Obama actually politically, to be honest, don't have a huge amount in common. So It's not about so much about that because I think Obama is way more centrist than Jesse Jackson was. However, I also think Jesse Jackson sort of left-wing politics of the 80s actually became kind of centrist in the 20s. Or whatever. But more to the point, I mean, just from a nuts and bolts perspective, had Jesse Jackson not changed the rules of the Democratic Party to make it easier for outsider candidates to come in and run against the establishment and still rack up delegates and still get to the convention? Obama wouldn't have beaten. Harry beat Hillary Hill.”
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“A little insane, yeah, and it's a little crazy, and it attracts a certain type of person. And Jesse Jackson certainly is in that same category of people. But for a black man in the 1980s who grew up in the segregated South, who did not have much, for him to end up on the same debate stage with all of these figures, not just Michael Dukakis, but Al Gore and Joe Biden and all these other people who later on went on to do other things, but he was on the debate stage with all of those people and holding his own on foreign policy, on economic policy, on a whole host of things. And then he comes in second place in 1988. And then it's kind of promptly forgotten about, partly because Bill Clinton, but also partly because Barack Obama.”
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“And it is the part of his legacy that actually I think kind of undermines the view of him as somebody who's just sort of surface deep and only just shows up and so on and so forth. Because I do think that running, you know this, running for president is a real difficult task.”
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“Jesse My sense of him was what I think a lot of people's sense of him is, which is that he's an activist, he's a leader of the civil rights generation. And is ubiquitous, right? That he's in everything and that mostly it's just showing up. I think that was the sense that a lot of people had of him have of him. And one of the reasons I wrote this book is because I found that this particular chapter, when he ran for president two times Is arguably one of the most significant parts of his legacy that rarely gets talked to.”
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“He's love it on the take a journey, as we've talked about. I think As he said, he would prefer Trump over the alternative, but I also think that he has seen Trump win on the culture issues, on the economic issues, on all of that, and he's willing to give him a pass on things that maybe he's slightly queasy about privately because I think he believes that going against Trump is a bad idea because Trump keeps winning.”
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“They've figured out how to use raw political power to dominate their opposition. And turns out that's very appealing to a lot of people on the right. And they're willing to gloss over a lot of conduct in order to be on the team that is winning. So, I think that's a lot of what's going on right now”
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“I talk to tried and true, died in the wool, MAGA people every single day. And so, yeah, I understand where they come from. I understand the information silos that they're in that make it hard to see outside of it. And it's not that complicated. I mean, I think that they like winning. Trump is winning in their minds. So, in a way, To me, it boils down to mostly that because we have all shades of this sort of Trump supporter. We have people who are not really that into him, who are now, people who are not even all that into him right now, but would prefer to defend him to the alternative. You know, I see it all. And at the end of the day, the biggest thing that works for Trump is that”
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“Know that it would have, yeah, I think it would have gone way over people's heads. This is not an endorsement of a government shutdown over anything. But it's just to say that the uniqueness of this one is that the underlying issue is one that is a political vulnerability for the other side, whereas the other stuff is much less so.”
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“And so it's a normal shutting down the government. You guys can find the votes yourself. I think that my humble opinion as an observer of politics is I actually don't think that a government shut down over capital Democracy would have worked.”
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“Yeah, I mean, I feel like the government shutdown debate is a little bit of that, where it's like, I mean, I was there all the years that Republicans shut the government down, even when Trump was president. And in a way, Democrats have just doing what they did and justified for all those years. However, the government still shut down. And people are still not getting paychecks and so on and so forth. I think I don't have any answers to that, but I feel like that is the dilemma the Democrats are facing, which is, do we really take on their tactics, even if people get hurt? Or do we have a Higher bar for ourselves”
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“We changed our mind. And it's sort of like, I think No matter what the other side does. But do you, I mean, but I thought, you know, I've been talking about this a lot lately because I feel like this has really come up. And, I mean, I wonder, as you are a card carrying Democrat, do you see that happening and do you think that's a problem? Because I think some people think that Democrats unilaterally disarmed too often. And leave Republicans to just do whatever they want. And then in redistricting, for example, is an example of this.”
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“Is going to be like, why did you just do that and It's a psychological thing. It's about social media cloud. It's about your standing in the group. You know, because the group you're standing in the group becomes the most important thing to you, right? Because your people might not like you as much anymore. And that's, we have to come to terms with that in politics. That is such a big thing in terms of how people are willing to show up politically is that they're so afraid of being ostracized by people in their group that they're not willing to Admit when they're wrong or when something needs to change or when the other person might be right.”
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“But there are definitely some people who are just living in a different world. And it's really hard. And it's not, and I think that is, yeah, definitely a situation in which it is very difficult, if not impossible, to have that conversation. And so you kind of have to find the right people who are willing to kind of level with you, at least in an open-minded way. And I would kind of argue that that's not just unique to Republicans, although I think their information silo is probably more. It closed off, but it's in general. Are you willing to concede something, anything, anything? And some people are not.”
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“I'm just throwing my hands up. Like, it's just what's the point because we can't have a debate unless we at least agreed to agree on facts. Facts have to actually matter to you in order for us to have this conversation. Yeah. Now, I also grant people that Sometimes people have other facts that matter to them more. And that is okay.”
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“Or let's fact check, and then It's I hear you. And so it's I'm with you. It happens. I mean, there are plenty of times where we've had people on and it's like”
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“That's a skill that I think we have tried to cultivate. What does it look like to actually sit in front of a person you disagree with and talk to them and challenge them and be challenged? And the people who have figured that out have done really well on our show. And I think it makes for both good television and I think it's an important thing to do.”
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“And it's for a lot of people, it's kind of a new experience, and they don't get to do it that often. So, a lot of people have to figure out how to talk to other people, like look them in the eye. And say the thing and keep the same energy that they would otherwise have on social media. And I think that's part of the psychology of it too, is that you really have to be willing to, first of all, be on your feet. You have to be quick on your feet. And you have to be ready for anything. And you have to really be listening because Know a lot of times people are just they have their little talking points and they get mad at me when I'm like, I'm gonna interrupt you because you're you're answering the question that you want to be asked. And this is not that kind of show so”
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“You know what happened? During COVID, people stopped being able to do it. Because everybody was in these boxes. And so the fact that we have everybody in the studio every single night is helpful.”
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