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Abby Phillip

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  1. So far, but it's always shifting. It changes every single night, and we were always bringing new people on who have, you know, it's always something new. And that's great. That's what's nice about the show.

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  2. We just have information. We don't have questions. So we come to, I come to the table every night with a list of Conversation aids, but the conversation goes the way that the panelists take it. And you have to be comfortable with a certain amount of unpredictability. And I think that I have more recently found, I think, a good balance, right? I see myself as trying to play the role of the incredulous questioner on behalf of the people who are at home. And are kind of like, do you really believe that? Know, or just that's completely illogical. Or how do you square that with this? And I think that some of these, so some of the role that I play is just impressing people, just in kind of testing the argument and forcing them. And I think that's where I've landed so far.

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  3. Well read and prepared for a lot of the arguments that come up, so I miss things. People will still give me shit for missing things, but I'm a human being and we are in a live setting. We're not scripting these debates. We don't even have questions. We will just go.

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  4. How much does that enter your? Yeah, I mean, like transparently, we've been doing this version of the show for a little over a year. And at the beginning, we had to play. I had to play around with it. How much am I involved? How much am I correcting? How much am I fact-checking? Do I really want to be fact-checking all the time? Do I really want to just sit back and let them talk? Like, what is my role? And I think there's a negotiation that happens there. There are some things that... I don't fact check maybe because I don't know it's come out of nowhere. People do bring things up out of nowhere. And I'm just like, I've never heard that one before. And then we have to go back and be like, what was that all about? So I'm not always able to, I'm not a computer, but I am very.

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  5. And I mean, it used to be that people would be like, oh, she's too even keeled or whatever. And it just so turns out that this format works for me right now. So there you go to all my haters. I was going to ask.

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  6. People go into the breaks and they're still bickering, and we're just like, okay. Calm down But the goal is to have the ability to do that at the very least. So, I mean, I think I am also just not that person. I'm down for a good debate, but I'm not the first person who will get heated in a debate. And it just so happens that that, I think, works in this context because I'm more than happy to let them have their emotional. And downs. And I usually try to not be at that emotional register because I just, it's not how I roll just on a deeply human level. And the times when I do, when it does turn up, the dial does turn up for me are rare and I try to keep it as rare as possible. So I think it's just helpful that my personality is just not that.

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  7. And I do think, I know it sounds kind of cliche, but I really do think that that helps because I've always just been able to deal with a lot of different personalities. I've been my siblings and I have the same two parents, but we're all different, every single one of us. And you have to, I love them. They're my family. And when we sit at that table on Newsnight, I think that the goal, what I'm trying to create is this sense that we can have this debate. We can, you know, correct each other and question each other and call each other out and still sit in the brakes and not want to smack each other. Now every once in a while.

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  8. I don't know. I always say that I come from a really big family. I'm one of six kids. And I'm just really used to being in the middle of a lot of chaos. Yeah. It's just, and also a lot of people with different points of view.

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  9. Because it is hard, right? And I mean, when you leave it to the crazies and they're out there, All they're doing is just sitting around and they're spinning these webs of conspiracies in which everything is just so conveniently linked together and it makes perfect sense. And I think that is so dangerous when we seed all of that space to people who have Moral compunction about just steering people wrong. And I see a lot of that happening and that is really One of the scarier parts of where we are.

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  10. Um, no, like people want a range of things. There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing to look down on. And context is hugely, hugely important. That's why opinion pages exist in newspapers because people have points of view and it helps people digest the facts. So that's my little soapbox. I just think we can't be We just cannot be on this high horse about this stuff. We have to give people what they really are craving, which is both the news and the context.

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  11. But I also think that doing that with integrity counts. And we should not be out of the game of that. And leave it to the crazies on the internet to provide this, you know, skewed so-called context. And so I think And having done this in a lot of different parts of the media world at this point in my career, that we have to provide a whole menu of options to people who are consuming information. And it is not enough to just say, well, this is good for you. So eat your broccoli.

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  12. And information is everywhere. It is ubiquitous. So it is okay and good and normal and commendable that people are saying, help me understand this. And I don't think we should be on our high horse and be like, okay, the only thing that matters is that we just keep feeding you from the fire hose. People really want to comprehend this moment. And we need to be able to give people both of those things at the same time. And yes, it is cheaper. Sometimes literally and figuratively cheaper to do it that way. You know, I mean, I think that there is so much bad that can happen when it's just like a lot of people spouting their opinions.

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  13. Like Sure, but I it's okay. Like, I think it's fine. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. You know, because I think people like to crap on, I don't know if I can curse. Can I curse? People like to shit on context. An analysis, and you can call it punditry, you can call it whatever you want to call it. But I think that what the marketplace is saying is that people are hungry for help understanding.

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  14. People are going to need to make money, and they are going to. But the broader themes that are going to drive what media looks like is actually the fact that there are going to be a lot of different places that people get information from the mainstream media consolidation that's happening right now is only going to hasten that shift. So we just have to be honest about that. And, you know, I think we all try to play and play in the pool of the new media landscape and do what we can, but that is a shift that's inexorable. We're not going to stop that. And it's only going to go faster and faster.

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  15. We can sit and complain and about it all day long, but we have to just be able to have enough freedom to do the day-to-day work. And I still feel like I do. I look at a lot of the places where there are concerns about who owns them and what kinds of corporate top-down mandates are they under places like the Washington Post places like the Wall Street Journal and they're doing excellent journalism They really are and so I just think

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  16. And I don't think it's necessarily great for the media. I think that we are in a place where a lot of consolidation needs to happen for financial reasons, but the loser is going to be the consumer of information. And it also is probably going to push more and more of those consumers to alternative media sources. And so that's just looking at the industry broadly. That's how I see it. Can I do anything about it? No. Can I do my job? Yes. I'm going to, and so I'm going to do my job. And I really do think that.

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  17. Every day, and what are we going to do? You know, we're kind of in a place where we don't have a lot of influence over the moves that are happening above us. So all we can do is what we know how to do. I think about this more broadly than in the media because the media is just one sort of cog in the capitalist system. Consolidation usually is not good for marketplaces.

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  18. Well, I mean, the truth is, I don't have a ton of conversations about this with my colleagues. I'm not joking you. I just think we're literally just working.

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  19. That's on purpose because you know that they mean when they Basically, tried to take over the accreditation process for a White House press pass. The goal was to Fill the seats with people who were sycophants. And they have done that pretty successfully. I mean, they call it new media, but these are all just. Likes the back and forth. He doesn't mind getting the tough question from Caitlin or whatever. And he takes them because he knows it makes for good TV. And that's probably the one thing that is still kind of allowing the system to somewhat get information out of this White House.

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  20. Their consequences to that. I think we know less. I think there's still just as much happening, if not more, but we know less about it.

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  21. And I also think the thing I think about actually is the stuff that we're not covering. It's the stuff that's happening that we don't. Really, have eyes on because they've gotten much better at keeping journalists sort of away from the nitty-gritty details of what's happening in the government. I think that's the stuff that kind of keeps me up at night is that we don't, I think we have less visibility now than we did before into the inner workings of the government, into even Trump's world. I find that the reporting this time around about, and I'm not a sort of day-to-day Trump reporter anymore, but the reporting that we have now about what's really going on in the White House, the deliberations, the conversations, who's influencing the president, how he's weighing in on things is much more limited than it was in the first term. And that's

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  22. A bunch of people who wanted to do a lot of things, and then they couldn't quite figure it out, and something always went wrong, and it was always just this almost like a clown show. And I think this time there are definitely some clown show elements still present, but they're much more organized and it's much more serious because I think they're thinking longer term. I don't think they were thinking that long term when Trump was in the office the first time because they weren't sure whether his politics were going to be lasting. And now we know, and I think now they're thinking about, okay, how do we really change this country permanently? And that's what we're operating on.

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  23. I think it is an acceleration of the craziness of the first term. It's like, obviously, they had a lot of time to think about this stuff. They learn from their mistakes. And so a lot of things that are happening now are things that they wanted to do then, but they couldn't because they couldn't figure out the government. They couldn't get their act together, and now they're doing it. And also Trump is so much more in control now than he was then. I mean, he does not have a functional other branch of government in Congress. And so he literally can do whatever he wants. And it shows. I mean, the first time around it was like covering a lot of hijinks. It was like a government that was just.

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  24. 2010. 2010. Yes, back. I was young You were in the White House. Yeah, I was going to say. So it was like, we were both young, but I was younger, actually. I was young enough that you had no idea who I was at that time. Yeah, now once I went into the

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