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Alex Blumberg

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first: 2019-10-21
most recent: 2019-10-21
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“Don't know about investing, like maybe I don't know, I'm still trying to figure out what this all means. It seems only sporting that I would do that since so many people trusted us and it worked out for us and for them. So it feels like I should sort of pay it forward in that way”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. It's funny. I think both things are true though. I think there's probably a lot of people who could have tried to start this company and it wouldn't have been successful. So I think there's something. We brought something to it. I'm proud of that. I am proud of that. But I think that's the part that's easy to tell and most easy to overemphasize as you're looking back and especially as you're looking back. And I think it's important to remember that that's like a tiny part of it.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it's mostly luck, but not in the obvious way. Like, I think for me, it was the luck of being born into the family I was born into at the time that I was. So I had the luck of being in a family where my parents paid for my college and then were in a position to financially support me so I could do unpaid internships producing radio because that was my passion. And then they also sent me to business school. And that is like an extreme level of privilege. And then the other forms of luck are having met Alex when I did and having really good timing on the idea of starting a podcast, an audio podcast company in 2014. I definitely don't think I'm smarter or more talented than your average entrepreneur.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think right after it happened, I kept thinking, this feels like a big deal. I don't understand why I still feel the exact same way. Like it feels like an event that should just sort of give you a whole new outlook or something. And it didn't. It does. It takes away this huge hum of anxiety that was always in the back of my mind about money and the future. And that hum is gone. And that's nice. But it sort of takes away nothing else, you know, which is surprising. I would have thought it would feel different dur. My wife's parents came from another country to this country and were as refugees and worked all night cleaning offices to pay for her to live in America. And so I think when this happened, it was just like... It was winning the lottery for them, and then we were able to pay off their mortgage.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is life changing for us both. And someone asked me recently, oh, how are you? And I said, well, I'm really rich. And it turns out money doesn't make you happy. It does make you safe. And so I feel an incredible amount of. Safety knowing that I'm going to be able to put my kids through college and I don't have to worry about that. Know, we've never owned a home, and now my wife and I are gonna buy a home. It is a life changing thing.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And a company like Spotify, that's their business. They have this huge built-in audience that's already listening to audio. And it felt like that's a great synergy is the word I'm thinking. I can't think of a, I'm going to say synergy.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is really hard. And then we weren't getting data that we could share back with our editorial teams about how the shows were performing, who was listening to them, and that kind of inhibited the monetization as well. And so we thought that for podcasting to become like as an industry to become, to realize its full potential, those two things had to be addressed and we couldn't do those alone. And Spotify, which is the world's largest music streaming platform, could do that together with us. It wasn't even so much the money. It was more of like the, we felt like we could achieve so much more by joining forces than we could independently.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Company was going very well at the time. Actually, we had the most momentum we'd ever had as a company. This was in the fall of 2018. Our audiences were growing faster than they had in years. We had come out of the summer, and all of a sudden, like, there was more and more interest from advertisers in spending money on our podcasts. And we had a hit television show that we had produced for Amazon called Homecoming starring Julia Roberts. And so if you were around New York City at the time, you couldn't turn around without seeing a 50-foot billboard with Julia Roberts' face on it starring in Homecoming, which was based on our podcast. But there were a couple things that we just weren't, there were two basically industry-level challenges that we were confronting along with every other podcast company. And one was audiences are still having a really hard time discovering new podcasts. Like if you ask people how they find out new podcasts, they would typically say word of mouth, like a friend told me or I found out about it from another podcast, but discovery.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think I did. And oftentimes, like the moments of on the outside where it looked most successful, inside, it felt like the biggest mess. And inside, it felt like it was going to fall apart. And that's really hard to live through. And learning that actually that is the common experience of starting a company helps a little bit as our coach says because we go to a leadership coach says like just because you feel like doesn't mean you are shit.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, the opposite. The more successful we got, I think the more anxious I It became harder and harder to sleep. I would wake up in the middle of the night, something I really had never really done before. And I think it was about just the more successful we get, the more the bigger the stakes are, the higher the stakes are. The more people there are that are depending on you. And you just have to contend with, like, you can't make everybody happy. And I love making people happy. It's like one of my essential. Character flaws”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't know why what they're doing is working. And so you have to manage their anxiety about that. And then for the people who are launching something that isn't working, you can't tell them why because you need them to have figured out the essential mystery and they haven't figured it out. And so you have to just be like, you haven't figured out, I'm sorry. It took us forever took me forever to understand that.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yes, we did. One of the things that I started to realize very late this year was that the hard thing about any media business is that there is a thing at the center of any project that you're launching, of any show you're trying to launch. And that thing is a mystery. The mystery is will people listen to this or not? And there is no way to quantify why people listen to things. There's no way to predict whether people will listen to things. It's unknowable. And dealing with that mystery, that's what every creative person is doing. And yeah, that presents a real hard management challenge. On the one hand, you have to manage the anxiety that comes with knowing that. People who have somehow have figured out that mystery and are doing successful shows, they know on some level that”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Bordering on insulting. And I was so mad And I remember, and you were just kind of like, yeah, you were just disappointed. You're like, oh, that's what happens. For me, that made me just want to prove everyone wrong”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“When we first started the company, when we were out pitching to raise money, we pitched the company to probably three of the biggest public radio stations. And none of them invested. And one of the pitches was the most insulting, condescending response we ever got from any investor ever. And that actually did fuel me. Because I was like, we are going to show you”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then there were some who were like, it's going to change everything. You're going to bring in money and you're going to ruin it. I think there's a lot of people. I think there's a lot of fear that like we were opening a Pandora's box.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I think that we had both come out of this amazing. But I think in some places we are viewed as a threat. And I think some people's natural reaction to a threat is to naysay it as a form of self-comfort, I guess.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Newcoming. That's hard. That was one of the things that was really hard. It was like sort of like everybody had a pitch. Okay, we've set it up to make more podcasts. And then it's like, okay, which ones are we going to launch? How are we going to launch them? Who's going to do them? And then everybody in the world is like, I want to do this podcast. I want to do that podcast. And what do we do? How do you do this over and over and over again with a bunch of different people in a bunch of different topic areas? And how do you not make it the same thing over and over again? Like, how do you not make it actually the planet money of blah, blah, blah? Like, how do we actually make them feel new and different? And that was hard. That was like the thing to figure out.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then once the podcast launches, you have an audience of tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of people if you're lucky. And then over the course of a year, the audience grows and there's a size of audience where you multiply by the size of audience times the number of episodes you produce times how well you're able to monetize through advertising. And then it becomes a profitable entity. So each podcast is like a little business inside the big company and you have to invest in them before they become profitable. And we always understood that.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We actually did make more money than we brought in in our second year of operations. We generated profits on an accrual basis. Because the way the podcast works is you launch a podcast and when you launch it, it has an audience of zero. But you have to pay the people to make the podcast and they're going to work for you for a few months before you're able to launch.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And also, just like we had, like in the beginning, we had so many hits. Startup was a hit, and reply all was a hit and mystery show and crimetown and what's Matt's not saying is like he built an entire infrastructure, had Gimlet. He built a sales team and he built a sales marketing team and we built and built a finance operation and a peopleops operation. And all those things were working in concert and he hired really good people to lead those and build those. We were monetizing”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, it was it was a combination of We decided to grow faster than we originally had, so we decided to launch more shows which required hiring more people than we originally had planned to in the original plan. And the reason we decided to go faster was we saw that podcasting as a trend and as a cultural moment was really crystallizing and we wanted to make sure we stayed at the forefront of it. So we wanted to launch more. And so that's why we ended up raising more, to grow faster.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, when we raised the first million and a half dollars of financing, our plan was that that would take us through to profitability and then we would fund our growth through profits. We always built the company so that we could either be profitable or get to profitability based on the amount of cash we had in the bank. And we were always over-optimistic in our projections.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They were hungry to do something. It was a side project. They had day jobs. We had to convince them that it was okay to leave their good jobs and join a shaky startup. But it was exciting. I think a lot of people were feeling the way that I had felt, which was that there's more happening here than public radio has the infrastructure to accommodate right now and startup put us on the map or ply out put us on the map. People knew about us. People were coming to us and just being like, oh my God, I hurt. I just listened startup. Can you still invest?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It felt inauthentic. Yeah. I don't know. This is interesting. I think Matt and I, one of the other big fight we always had was just around your gut and how you make decisions. And I'd spent like 12 to 15 years making decisions with my gut. Like that was the way you do it when you're making a story for this American life. And I was taking that with me into starting a company. And so like the fact that a branding company had come up with our name, it just felt like... Just felt wrong. But of course, it wasn't wrong. It ended up being totally fine.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I hated the name, and I insisted on a new name. And then there's a consulting company whose job it is to create names for new companies and new products. And they ran us through a process that landed us on Gimlet. And I think which you didn't like. And I think part of the reason you didn't like it was maybe you didn't like the name, but I think more of the reason was you didn't like the idea that there was some experts that we were going to go consult in such a corporate fashion who would give us our name.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To the original big media companies that were started in the original era of radio. American broadcasting company, Columbia Broadcasting.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, on the startup podcast, you describe all about that first office in Brooklyn and the people you hired and working with Matt. And you also talk about how early on you changed the name of the company to Gimlet, because I guess one of your potential investors thought your first name was just dumb, like American public, what was it again?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know what? I think on some level I knew it would work. I'm not a big risk taker. I'm not a serial entrepreneur. It just felt so clear to me. But of course, I didn't know it was going to work, right? So, of course, you actually have anxieties. And eventually, I admitted to myself the possibility that like, oh, this could not work out, but it was by that point we were four years into it. And it was definitely going to work out. It was already growing and it was like, it's funny. And, you know, I looked when we eventually sold the company to Spotify. People were posting a Slack channel all these very, very first pictures of the very, very first office in the very, very first months of that first office. At the time, I'd been so proud of that office and I couldn't believe that like, look, we have an office and we got people to give us money and it's all working. And then I looked back and for the first time I saw it through the eyes of a non-true believer. I saw it from the outside. I was like, oh my God, you quit your good job to do this, to like show up in this dusty office with no infrastructure. And like you guys made your own studio and like, what were you possibly thinking?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I can't imagine doing this for the numbers that you're talking about. I just can't imagine doing it. Because if it's 90, 10, I'm like, now it's a job. And in a job, I'm not going to like, and then you're the boss. I'm just not interested in that. And I don't think that will make the company succeed.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Now I think I said in the range of 1 to 10. I'm key to the success of the company and I want to feel that that is reflected in the cap table, I guess.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Conduct ourselves In a situation with conflict And I kind of forced it. It was like 9 p.m. We had both put our kids to bed and then I came over to your apartment. And I think it was about our eternal fight, which was you were saying we're just going to make a bunch of podcasts. Like that's what we're going to do. And I was saying, first of all, we're going to make more than a couple of podcasts. We're going to build a company and an organization and a culture. And it's going to end up being really big. And it's going to be way more work than we're doing now. And it's going to be incredibly hard. And I think you're underestimating that. Because for you, you think you're just going to be able to do the same thing you did at Planet Money, but do it a couple more times. And actually, the thing we're doing is completely different.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Had concerns about how we didn't know each other, and I was worried about that. And we're pretty different people. Trying to think of what our first major conflict, though, was.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Adam is a very direct person, and he was also like, Yeah, Alex is also like. Tenacious and doesn't back down and is really stubborn. And actually, all that turned out to be true, like the four words to describe Alex are those brilliant storyteller, stubborn control freak. And I was like, those are some of the qualities you want to have in starting in the early stage.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, yeah. And it still shocks me that you didn't do that for me. But of course, at the time, you didn't have a clue. Now you would never hire someone without blind reference checks, right? So I called a couple people who'd worked with him, and they were pretty consistent, which is he's a brilliant. Brilliant editor, like incredibly supportive. And then I had lunch with Adam, Davidson, your partner. Oh, wow.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We came over. We had an initial meeting sort of at my house where Matt brought over some beers and we drank beers and talked about what was happening.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, no. I mean, by the time we signed, we'd met more than three times. By the time we actually signed an agreement. But I think around the business plan era. Right.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would get up in the morning, and early in the morning, and there would be multi-page business plan that Matt had somehow produced. And I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. And making a case that investors could actually get behind.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. I think I just started working on it basically like nights and weekends and sending you things and what kinds of shows we would create, which was along the lines of what you were doing, but also how they would get distributed, who the partners would be. And I was doing that not because I was trying out to be your co founder, actually. That's the crazy thing.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a funny moment because really what I was looking for was a co-founder. But I didn't know my co-founder yet. And so there's like some sort of weird dating thing that has to happen. And as we started to talk more about what would be helpful, You suggested like, why don't we do a business plan”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, this is the thing about, like, I feel like I already knew him because I had listened to his stories. This is the thing about audio. And I'm sure you've experienced this guy, which is when you meet people, they walk up to you like they're your friend, right? Yeah. And everything he was saying about, like, I'm excited about audio and I think it's underestimated and I want to do a business around that. I just sat there and shook my head and said, yes. And I think this is how the business could work. And I think it could be really big. And that sounds exciting. And I basically said, let me know how I can help. Yeah.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“New medium comes about, new media companies get built. This is true across the last hundred years of history, and I thought someone will build a defining media company around on-demand digital audio and like, why not me? And I told a lot of people about this. Not that I was starting a company, because Alex was much further advanced than I was, but just like that would be exciting. I think someone's going to do that. And I think it would be really fun. And I told my friend Graham, who had been a mentor to me back in my radio career, and he said, oh, you should meet this other guy, Alex.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had done my MBA and then become a management consultant at Boston Consulting Group, which meant that I would go and work inside of large companies and help them develop growth strategies or solve problems or things like that. But then I began to think about digital audio, and I was listening to a lot of podcasts at the time, and I thought every time”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Met over the summer of twenty fourteen, I believe, and we were introduced by a mutual friend in public radio. And the story that I heard was that sort of like there's another guy running all around town with sort of the same story talking about like how there's a business to be built in audio. And he was sort of often his world doing the same thing that I was doing. And so we finally met.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Nobody was offering me money until I literally, nobody, I don't think anybody offered money until Matt and I teamed up. I think when I was doing it by myself, I didn't even get to that point.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Million and a half dollars, I think Yeah, it'll take a million. I was so naive. And it was like that meeting that really showed me how naive I was All the questions he asked, I had no idea how to answer. What's the exit? I was like, what's the exit? What does that even mean? He was like, you know, I give you money. You build the company, then how am I going to get my money back? What's your exit? Who are you going to sell to? I had no idea. It didn't even occur to me.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm feeling the same way I felt the last time I was out here. I'm sitting there talking to this guy and I'm describing something that feels like the biggest thing I've ever done, like a scale beyond my wildest imaginings, something that I can't even tell if I could pull off. It's totally not big enough. Like it seems small to him. Blake, even when I was at the depths of my depression and feeling small and stupid, and like, what the hell have I done? The fact that I was able to talk about it on tape. Knew it was good tape. So the more I failed as a want to be entrepreneur, the more I was succeeding as a radio documentary producer. And so there was something weirdly comforting about that. Like at least all this work won't be for nothing. At least I'll have some document.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Podcasts are here, everyone. No, I feel like I would go out and I would be all pumped up and I would be practicing and I would go over my pitch and I'd go out and do it and then I'd fly out somewhere. And then I was one of like, I don't know, three, four meetings that day. And I was just one idea out of a million ideas. And other people were pitching ideas that had proprietary software or, you know, like, but scientific breakthroughs and they'd been like a part of a lab at Stanford. And I was pitching a podcasting company. And I hadn't worked in a for-profit company since I was a bagger at a grocery store in high school. And I remember calling my wife. I think we actually recorded one of these conversations when I called my wife after one of these things. I think it actually ended up being in a startup episode.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I would set up meeting after meeting. I would reach out to everybody that I knew who'd been involved, and you just meet somebody and then they introduce you to somebody else and they introduce you to somebody else. And it's all like a, you know, but ultimately became very clear, like nobody was going to invest. I could only tell half the story. I could only tell the story of, like, here's the kind of things that I've made, and I'm going to just keep doing that. And that wasn't a business. That wasn't a business”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I started anything I was doing. I would mic myself do it, any meetings I had set up, I would tell the people ahead of time, and, you know, I'm starting a podcasting company. And like, funny thing, I'm also making a podcast about it. I'm going to come out with microphone. And for the most part, they were into it. It got me in the door in a certain way. It was like, it was unusual. If you're a VC, you've seen 70 gazillion people pitch you a different kind of food delivery app or something, you know, but you probably haven't seen people come with a full headgear and boom mic recording it. So if nothing else was a novelty.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I didn't. By that point, she was working at MSNBC, so she was making a lot more than you make in public radio. But it wasn't long. Like we didn't have a ton of savings. And I didn't have a job. I had maybe like, I don't know, three, four months, five months.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT