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Alex Blumberg

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first: 2019-10-21
most recent: 2019-10-21
sittings or episodes: 1
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“This is my wife Nazanine. Early one morning, a couple months ago, stopping me as I was on my way out the door to do something I'd never done before. Meet a guy who works at a venture capital firm Try to get them to give me money”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes! I thought that was what I was going to do. Basically, I was on my own. Millions of people listened to this American life and planet money and NPR. And I didn't have any personal brand. And so my big fear was like, I figured I'd be able to get a podcast together. I just didn't know how anybody was going to know about us. So I had to do something that was going to attract attention to what we were doing, and I figured, okay, a guy recording himself trying to start a company, that'll be good. It was like a marketing ploy.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I love podcasts. Seem like someone should come up with money to invest in making new shows like these and come up with a theory about how those shows could be profitable. I kept waiting for someone to do that. And then came this thought, a thought that's gotten a lot of people into a lot of trouble. I could do that”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know this is exactly the moment, but this was a moment. I mean, it's never just one moment Here is a moment that I remember. I had a dream. I was at some party, and Ted Coppel was And Ted Koppel somehow knew who I was. And he came up to me at the party and he was like, Alex, how long are you going to stay at this job? I think you can Don't you want to start something on your own? And I remember telling him, like, no, Ted, I'm pretty happy. He's like, are you really? And then I woke up And I told my wife about that dream And I think that kicked it off. Just had to bite the bullet and quit.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was frustrated though. I was frustrated. I was frustrated at the inability to like. I felt like we were sitting on gold. I felt like they recognized the editorial gold. But I felt like we were sitting on financial gold with Planet Money, and people love it. It's brand new and it's different, and they're consuming it in a different way, and it just feels like That you're getting these teeny tiny ad rates, and like, nobody knows what it is yet. And it just felt like we were just this giant and that nobody knew about us.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Lot all above. I think I was a risky venture, you know, like there's not that many places that are set up to like take that kind of risk. Even though I didn't feel like a risk, even though I felt like, well, I know how to do this. And like, obviously I've done it before. But like, no, that's not true. I've done it inside institutions whose contributions I was way undervaluing, you know? If your NPR, that's a lot of risk to take. To just be like, yeah, I'm going to give you this money to try to start something that I have no idea if you'll succeed or fail. And there's not that many institutions set up to do that”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was the challenge you were running into at NPR that they were a nonprofit organization and they just could not figure out how to make this work or was it more like, yeah, no one really wanted to make a decision. Nobody wanted to kind of pull a trigger or no one really thought that there were legs to this or was it like a combination of those things?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Definitely more abstract. It was like sort of like, we'll need to make the planet money cars and the planet money of the internet. The planet money of, you know. Whatever else, you know, and my plan in the very beginning, before I met Matt and before I actually had actually talked to any investors or anything was, I just need somebody to give me a bunch of money and then I can hire some people and we can start making stuff.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's like advertisers want to be on that show. The audience Can be profitable. And if it can, it should be. It doesn't make sense to force it into a structure that it doesn't need. And also, I felt like I was creating a lot of value. And I wanted to have ownership of that value. If I was going to take this risk, I wanted to be able to be rewarded for it.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In some places there was, but it was like I also knew that it was important to me that it wasn't going to be a nonprofit. And the reason was if you have a large global news outfit with people all around the world, there might not be a viable business model for you. And you might need to make that work, you might need foundation money and stuff like that. You might need to just go that route. You might not be able to actually just turn a profit. But with Planet Money, I was like, no, you can turn a profit on Planet Money”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Business podcasting just like the numbers were just growing. And then there were people out there who had making a business of it independently. Like Roman Mars, who had launched the podcast 99% Invisible, was very inspiring to me. He was out there on his own and he had done it. He'd been doing it for like a couple years prior to me leaving to lunch Gimlet. And he had like a small staff and he had advertisers. And I remember asking him early on questions about how, you know, where do you get your advertisers? How's it work? And it was just working really well for him, you know?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because podcasting started to really gain traction. I started Ted Radio Hour in 2013, and we were one of the kind of the early shows that really got a big audience. People were starting to talk about podcasting around that time as a viable business.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that was just NPR's money. But it was also like, and that's what we used to fund the trips and everything like that. Like, we knew that that was going to, we were hoping to earn back what we spent on doing this crazy project, but we made that back end more. We were doing these live events where there'd be huge theaters would show up and see us talk and people were like asked us to sign autographs which never had never happened to me before in all my years of radio journalism. And so it just felt like there was something going on here and it felt like there's money to be made and it felt like there's a big opportunity to like if we can tell if we can start a podcast the super popular podcast about business and economics. Then you can start a podcast about anything.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. Start with the farmers who make the cotton, then it gets spun into the yarn and gets woven into fabric and then cut and sewn into t-shirts and then it gets shipped back and we'll tell the whole story and it happens all over the world and all these different countries and we'll meet the people and we'll actually make a shirt and then we just started thinking about it. It was just like the super exciting idea. So we, you know, I think it took another year, year and a half before we actually did it. And it was this huge hit. It was like, it became this thing that our listeners went along with. We started talking about it. We would prepare all these stories about it. And then we sent all these reporters all around.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think it was a gradual thing. I think a couple things happened over the course of Planet Money. One, we did this project called the t-shirt project, which was Adam's idea, which was like, I think he came in one day and was like, I think we should follow a t-shirt around the world as it gets made.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Eventually, Adam decides to take a leave, to write a book, and sort of starts to move on from the show. You are still there. At what point did you start to think maybe, I don't know, maybe I should move on?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. Early on, right in the very sort of beginning of Planet Money, our first child was born my son and then And then our daughter was born less than two years later. So, yeah, it was a sort of a busy time. We were starting Planet Money and I was like starting a family at the same time, trying to balance it all.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah, we came in and we were like, okay, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. It was daily in the beginning. It was this daily podcast. And me and Adam were like the ones in charge of it and we'd never been in charge of anything before. We had to go to management training. Learned a lot about ourselves. And that was sort of the experience where I sort of learned like, okay, I can be a bus.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That episode, the giant pool of money would go on to win every award, and it was a huge, huge piece of journalism that year. It got a lot of attention. And I guess the two of you decided, hey, why don't we start something around money? Why don't we create something bigger which led to the creation of planet money? And Adam sort of said to you, I need you to join me to make this happen. And the two of you To kind of build a company within a mini company within a company, right? Or like an ensemble cast like this American life.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Massive amounts of money without anybody checking to see whether they could pay it back or not. And I explained this thing that was happening all around and explained it in a way that had like characters and people that you could hear and hear those stories. And it was funny. And I think Adam and I both knew it. Like we both knew why we were making that. We're on to something here. Like it felt like... This very powerful thing”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. You know what it was? It was somebody at this American life had bought a house. And I had asked her, like, wait, how did you have enough money for the down payment? And she was like, oh, we didn't have a down payment. They just gave us the loan without a down payment. I was like, really? I was like, I didn't know that happened. And she was like, oh yeah. And so then that started me like, I was like, that's crazy. And then there's all this credit card debt out there. And everybody I knew had huge credit card bills. And so I was just like, I was just like casually looking at this, the story of debt in America, what's going on. And then the more I got into it, the more I sort of like started to understand the macroeconomics of it and what that had to do with the Chinese central bank. And I was friends with Adam Davidson this whole time. And Adam Davidson was a correspondent at NPR, and he was the business and economics correspondent at NPR. And so we had been kicking around this idea of doing something on like housing debt. So we reported this whole story of like the global financial system and how it had sort of led to these conditions where people were barring.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I went to business school Like a lif Yeah, it was a lifeline. I began to understand by that point that some of the biggest changes in our world are driven by business. And if you understood how markets function and how business operates, that's like a tool set that you could do a lot with.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There were all these new startups and they were like technology and product startups. And that was where the future was. And there were these people who were entrepreneurs who were like crazy optimistic about what the world they could build is. And also I was in journalism so people are just generally, like journalists are skeptical by nature and I thought like I kind of want to be on the other side of this. And so that was when I decided to leave.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's like, because I think you could make a better living in television. Right. She was correct about. And it was at a time, it was just a really hard time in media period in New York. So this was 2008. There was lots of layoffs happening. The beginning of the internet as a disintermediation of publishers was happening. So if you were in legacy media, you were looking around realizing that your business model was collapsing and people were beginning to get laid off from newspapers And there was this rise of digital And I remember reading an article in New York magazine about how media was no longer going to run New York.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I had done all these jobs in radio, and I think I spent like a year, year and a half actually working at MTV radio. My job was to interview celebrities on red carpets and then cut up soundbites and send them to local music DJs. But the most of that decade I spent producing journalism, news, culture, and also music. At a number of public radio shows, and I happened to be on three shows in succession that were cancelled. And that made me doubt whether there was going to be enough stability and opportunity for me. And I remember at the time, my parents were always a bit bewildered by why I was working in radio. My dad particularly was confused not by my interest in media but public radio. Right. And I remember what he would ask me. It's like, hey, maybe have you ever thought about television?”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And he was a Trinidadian guy, and I was just like, how can you be, like, aren't you upset? Why aren't you home with your family? Like, why are you hitting golf balls? And he's like, he was just basically like, no, man, like, this is America. And in America, everything's going to be all right.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Temp agency exactly, and on my way to the subway, so this was 9 11, and on my way to the subway, like the second plane hit the second tower, and the subway shut down, and so I didn't go in to Manhattan that day. And on the way back from as I was going back to my apartment, I saw this guy in a park. In downtown Brooklyn, hitting golf balls, he was just hitting a pitching wedge. And there was a whole crowd of people all around the pope looking up at the smoke coming from both the towers. And this guy just kept hitting golf ball And so I was like, this is really, it was surreal. It was just surreal. Yeah. And so I ran home, I got my mini disc recorder, and I interviewed the guy.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's right. I moved to New York on September 1st, 2001. Wow. With the idea that I would get into radio, but not knowing anyone. But I figured if I wanted to be in radio and media like New York would be a good place to go. And I had a friend who had a room openness in his apartment. And then on the morning of September 11, 2001. I was on my way into a job interview in downtown Manhattan at a staffing firm. It was the kind of place where they would put you and you would be a receptionist at like an insurance company.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I had done some rating. So when I was in college, I interned at the local public radio station. So I was doing my college radio at Bowden, which was WBOR. And then I spent the summer interning at WBUR, which was the NPR station And when I graduated college, I was kind of trying to figure out I had applied to be an intern at this American life. And I spent like a week on my application. You had to write an essay. You had to critique a story. You had to pitch a couple stories. I had all this like, I thought like I have all this radio experience. Sure”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, like it was like literally I was in the car turning the dial, and then I heard an episode of the American life and I stopped because I was like, this doesn't sound like anything else. Yeah. Which is funny because now a significant portion of the most popular podcast on Earth are this sound. But at the time, it was really weird. It was unusual.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, yeah, over time, I started, I became sort of one of the more experienced seasoned producers at this American life, and that meant doing my own shows, doing my own stories, as well as producing other people's stories. And then there was a couple years of that, just making stories that just felt really exciting.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, that's one way of looking at it. It was so exciting Being there. It was so exciting. And it was all that I'd wanted. And so the thing that motivated me was like, I need to, this is what I want to do. I want to do this. And by hook or crook, I'm going to learn how to do it.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I remember that the show came out on a Friday, and on Wednesday, we had nothing written, nothing produced, nothing cut. And then he just dove in and just wrote an entire hour-long documentary in three days. Wow. It's crazy. He stayed up all night. I had never seen anything like it.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Ira came to me and was like, the 10-year anniversary of Harold Washington's death is coming up. And he was like, I'm wondering if we should do something for it. Here's this book. Read it and see if you think there's a story there. And so he gave me this book called Fire on the Prairie by Gary Rivalin, which is all about Mayor Washington. Mayor Washington was the first black mayor of Chicago, and he'd been this sort of like incredibly charismatic leader who'd just sort of like just tipped off this entire hailstorm of racist backlash inside in Chicago. So we started producing it together and I just like would identify all these people from the book and then we would go and interview them and I'd sort of try to help them come up with the questions.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of a thing in the world. It was like, you know, very well known and it was on a lot of radio stations and it was on the rise. And Ira was just running. And never stopped. He would get there early in the morning and he would leave late at night, and everybody would, including me. And so he had no choice but to teach me.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, he was. I don't think it wasn't like he was sitting down and like he was like, come here administer assistant. I'm going to teach you how to read radio. But it was just such, that was like the second year of this American Life's existence. It had already become something.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And being the administrative assistant at this American life, it was like Ira and three producers and they were trying to get out an hour of like highly produced radio every single week and they were just like completely up to their necks in work and so there was lots and lots of stuff for me to do.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I was really worried. I was really worried. I was very aware of how I presented. I was like a loser, you know? I was like 30 years old. I'd just been dumped and I didn't have a career and I was an administrative assistant. But it felt like I'd spent the entire previous decade just not doing anything, just like waiting because I was afraid. And I thought that would keep me safe. And then the safe thing had just resulted in intense heartbreak. And there was no excuse that not to do the scary thing. So it felt for the first time in my life, I felt like I was where I should be.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Knew about it as a listener, and I knew that it was coming out of Chicago, and it was like the incredibly hip new thing. And a guy who had worked at Harper's magazine, who had been this incredibly intimidating editor there, who I was really enthralled with, but scared of. This guy's Paul Tuff. He was working with this American Life in the early days. And so through him, I got introduced to Ira, I believe. And I was able to get a job as the administrative assistant at this American life.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did a bunch of things. I dabbled in grad school for a little bit. I went to a year at grad school in Chicago. But basically, after she broke out with me, I was 30 years old. I didn't know what I was going to do with my life. And I was like looking around for stuff to do. And I found out about this American life is what happened.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah. And so I knew that I'd wanted to do that. I'd been really captured by that experience. So I was like, okay, well, that's my dream. I should start pursuing it.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Completely beyond my reach. And then here this guy was. And so I'd spent a summer in Brooklyn interning at Harper's magazine for free.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I didn't, I knew what it was at that point because she was transformative in two ways. The other way that she was transformative is she was from New York, and so she knew people in New York media. And so through a friend of one of her friends, he was like best friends with one of the editors at Harper's magazine. And I was like, wait, there are people at Harper's Magazine who. Who are friends with the people I'm friends with? Like, that seems crazy. They felt so far away out of.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Chicago, we've been dating for many years and we were in love, and it just really shook me. And when she was like, what are you going to do? And she was like, I'm going to move to New York and I'm going to go to film school. And I was like, wait, that's not fair. We weren't supposed to be actually pursuing our dreams here. You're going to actually pursue your dream. And then I was like, oh my God, and now you're going to go to film school. And then you're going to become a famous director. And then your name is going to be in the marquee. And I'm going to be supervising recess. And it shook me. And it shook me into realizing, and I was like, well, why is that wrong? I thought I liked supervising recess. And then I realized like, no, I want to, I have something else that's my ambition.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it wasn't the thing I was going to do. No, I didn't feel like it was the thing. At a certain point, sort of in my second or third year, I was like, I don't think this is really what I want to do. But honestly, I think really what happened was my girlfriend broke up with me.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, no, I went to Russia, spent a year in Russia, then spent a summer in Cincinnati, and then moved to Chicago. And that's where I sort of picked up my post-collegiate life was in Chicago.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I wasn't doing any of that. I was like, I tested well, and I took AP classes, but I was not a motivated student. I was a very comfortable With a high B”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think I had a sense of wanting to do something good in the world. I remember I studied Russian because back when I was in college, Russia was still the evil empire, still communism. And I think one of the things I was a big consumer of narrative nonfiction from an early age. We had magazines laying around the house. Like we had The New Yorker and Harper's that was that kind of household. And I picked them up early and really loved them. And then as I got older, I loved them more. But I never saw myself as doing that. That felt like the people who did that, the people who did journalism, those were the kids who were like sort of on the school paper. Majored in journalism and had gotten internships when they were in college”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh yeah. There was a moment where my dad's company was doing very well and business was booming and one of their clients was Procter& Gamble and all of a sudden we had money. And it was fortunately right around the time that I was going to college. So they were able to pay for me and my sister to go to college.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I know. I mean, I remember asking him about this at one point because it was later, later, later in the journey when Matt and I had started Gimlin, we were like growing this company. And it was like all I could think about and it was consuming every single sort of thought in my mind. And one time later, I asked him about that. I was like, how did you feel about it when you were starting it? I never heard stories from you about it. And I think what he told me was like he was like, I just never felt like those were my people, the people I worked with.”
2019-10-21 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Gimlet Media: Alex Blumberg and Matt Lieber · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT