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Ana Marie Cox

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first: 2018-03-15
most recent: 2018-03-15
sittings or episodes: 1
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“When you're just stuck in, this is what I believe, this is what you believe. Let's argue about who's got it right. You're never, for one thing, no argument has ever convinced anyone of anything, right? And number two, like I think you're. You're pushing each other away further into your own beliefs. Whereas if you are vulnerable with someone, or if you ask someone to be vulnerable to you and show a willingness to truly listen to what they have to say. You may not convince each other of anything, but you'll come away from the conversation. With a little more shared ground.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I think that like. When a conversation starts to be Why do you think the things that you do, or why do you believe the things they do, the ability for that conversation to proceed? gets better.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And at what point do you say to a friend, what you're saying is hurtful to me. And that's not just about left, right? I mean, I do a lot of talking about whiteness and race and ab Mental health.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, it was actually John Lovett that really hit on the title. I had been wanting to call it some of my best friends, which is sort of the same idea. Like some of my best friends are XYZ. Think actually he hit on a theme that's a better description of the project, which is not so much like left and right. It's more, it can left and right get along. It's more, you know, with friends like these who needs enemies. What are the limits of the coalitions that we have? What are the limits and possibilities of the friendships that we have? A question that really drives me that gets addressed in a lot of episodes is at what point do you say like I can't be friends with this person?”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know it's you're the woman. Going to do this, and I think that momentum died like when the Democratic Party decided. To sacrifice that, it sacrificed that momentum in order to save Bill Clinton. And maybe that was the right thing to do and some enormous historical judgment.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think that that is a time when people said, Well, we can't, it was another instance of political convenience kind of pushing the other way. Rather than pushing out, we decided as Democrats, and I'll include myself. Oh, can't sacrifice this guy because he's too good. He's too good at politics. We cannot let him go. And, you know, I've been rereading Strange Justice, Jill Emerson and Jane Myers' book about the Clarence Thomas Hearings. Is something that Rebecca and I talk about in the podcast too, which is that it is hard to remember what that moment felt like this moment. A lot of us that oh my god, sexual harassment is a thing, and we're talking about it, and even though we had this big failure and this guy that we shouldn't think confirmed got confirmed.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have a whole episode of my podcast devoted to this, which I highly encourage people to seek out. I want to end on your podcast. The conversation was Rebecca Tracy.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think you're not necessarily wrong, but a lot of justice relies on accidents. And things just happening to come together in the way that they came together. If Rosa Parks hadn't been tired that day, you know. And I think that while that may be true, I keep my eyes on the higher goals. And I do believe that it's very important for the Democrats to have some credibility in the Me Too movement. And they would have sacrificed that credibility not just for the Alabama Senate race, but for a long time. I think if Al Franken hadn't stepped down. And I want to say as Minnesotan, as a Minnesotan, I am willing to vote for him again.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Going to jail or any of that stuff, or actual capital punishment. When people say lynch mob, I want them to remember that actual lynch mobs killed people”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that is how you keep going, too. I mean, I'll say part of it, though, is that you do have to put work into it. The only way those things happen, those changes happen, is if you're present for them.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Start crying again. You know, my husband is another person in the rooms and he and I both should be dead. You know, our lives were such that in a world without faith, a world that did not justify faith, neither he or I would be here. I've seen people's lives get saved. I've seen people change in ways that you would never have predicted or believed if you'd been told. I have seen hearts melted, you know?”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That is right. We have to be forced. God will do for you what you cannot do for yourself, but if you can do it, God won't do it for you. That is kind of how I was taught. But what my faith really does for me is Also, keep me open to the capacity for change in the world, change in myself, and change in other people. And that is, I think, also where faith comes from, my faith that the world might get better, is that I've seen people change. As an addict alcoholic, I see people experience miracles. I see people...”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Right, and that the arc of the universe bends towards justice. Like, I still believe that. I do. It can be hard some days, but faith is not about faith isn't easy if it was easy, it wouldn't be faith.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I came a yes, a believer, as they say sometimes. I'm actually here at South by Southwest to do a panel on faith, on faith and resilience. This will probably come out after that. But people should look for it online. It's actually a panel of a few people, including a Never Trump guy, Ben Howe, not talking about politics, hopefully, talking about the ways that faith Keeps you in the fight”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Twin cities. I married a civilian He actually works in the insurance industry, not an actuary, not a numbers guy in general. He's an insurance broker. We don't talk about work that much, even though he's now gotten interested in politics. I'm the one who's like, Can we turn CNN off? Sorry. Sorry. No offense. But like.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of people don't have a dad that can do that. There really needs, if people are wondering what they can do about the open epidemic, one of the things they can do is try to be more aware of the need for long-term residential treatment. I do think it saved my life. I was in treatment for four months, then I moved to Austin because I knew I couldn't go back to DC and I was like, well, where do I want to live? So I moved here for a few months, lived in a halfway house. Kind of slowly, then it starts to be more of a public record again. I dropped off the face of the earth for about Almost a year. Started writing again and Going on TV again”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But a lot of people, especially people with pretty advanced dual diagnosis, is what they call it, you know, a mental illness and an addiction problem need a lot more than. 28 days, and as people with serious addictions, opioids especially need more than 28 days, but most insurance companies don't cover it. And then my dad stepped in and covered it”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I also want to be sure and talk about just a second because most people do not realize that that 28 days that everyone kind of knows about that you get in rehab is like the triage. A lot of people can do 28 days and leave and do therapy and AA. They'll be okay.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He did He lived in Winnipeg at the time. And so that's a trip from Winnipeg to Austin. And I asked him, how fat, like, how do you get here so fast? Because I remember waking up in the ICU and seeing him. And he was like, well, I just, I called the airline and told them that my daughter was going to die. I don't remember how I did it, but yeah.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My ex-husband and I did not part on great terms, but I will say this I will always and forever be grateful for him walking back into the hotel room after he said he was going to leave and he found me.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But that was like feeding it, right? That like, I can't even keep my marriage together. It'll be better for everyone, including me, if I just stop existing.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Mary's was falling apart. That played into it because I was also like, well, if I can't hang out of that. This is not clear not on him.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so I was continuing to take those, and also I was not able to stop drinking either. I was still sneaking drinks. I came here and it is a party town, and there was like a someone like there was like a bouquet of Scheinerbach in my hotel room, like one of the freebie thing. I remember being like, well, if it's free and I didn't buy it And to cut it, to speed up a little bit. Know, I wound up relapsing pretty hard and Getting to a place where I thought that. Was a failure in that I could never do anything right ever again, that I had proven that I was not fit to be in polite society. That everyone would be better off.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, all kinds of things that conspire to make everyone in my life kind of say that wasn't that serious, that wasn't that bad. We're just going to move on. We're just going to. Keep going And so we know my ideations got more intense, and although I was trying to stay sober, because I'd been prescribed my benzos and my ambient from a doctor, I thought they didn't count, which is incorrect.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I still get my A's. And the reason I mention, I think it's important to mention that attempt is that a lot of people I think discount ideations and attempts that don't seem serious as, oh, well, that's just a cry for help. It's a cry for help, right? Like take those things seriously. Take ideation seriously. And as soon as ideation moves to any kind of overt action, like consider yourself in need of intensive care. Don't put a band aid on that. You have a grave injury to yourself and you need to get it taken care of. But both I and everyone around me were kind of willing to believe that I had just screwed up a little bit. I just always was a bad day, you know, too much, this, too little of that.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know it's making it swerve, but I'm not But I'm still swerving. I had one. Suicide attempt Think it is important to talk about because it was the first one and it was really, really minor. It was really hesitant. It was not a very serious attempt. I just took like a couple pills more than I should have. And I wound up going to Sibley, which is a beautiful hospital, where you get to order off a menu and wear your own clothes and watched movies on my iPhone, which is great if you're not like a super. I think I also lied to them and I also presented, I was still presenting pretty well. I could like get my shit together.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, actually, at South by Southwest, it's always in the past seven years has been a victory to come back to South by Southwest. I always go to a meeting when I'm here too. And share my story. Yeah, so I actually starting with the 2008 campaign, that is when my life kind of started to unravel at a pace that was quicker than it had been. I had discovered benzos, and I had also been, you know, prescribed, I'd been taking various antidepressants, but the antidepressants and the benzos and the booze were all mixing together, oh, an ambien. It was starting to make. Me really erratic. And also, I couldn't predict how these things would have an effect on me. And yet I didn't stop. But that's the logic of an addict, right?”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it would have been kind of an awesome fuck you to the entire media world for Obama to start doing basically fresh air from the White House.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I used to lobby him about having Obama be the interviewer. Like, they did that a few times, like with David Simon and the writer in Iowa. Her name”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Cody, our mutual friend Cody. Cody Keenan. You had no power in this, but he was my closest friend in the White House. Great guy.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Although it's funny, I would say that actually, again, Trump's conception of the media for all of his use of Twitter and the way that bots have like corrupted our democracy and Facebook's algorithm is killing us. Trump's vision of what media is is 20 years old. And it matches what Washington thinks media is, which is also a 20-year-old vision. I think the Obama White House had a much clearer vision of what media landscape really looks like. And that is why they could bypass a lot of the major networks, a lot of the major newspapers, and go directly to YouTube, go directly to other people interview one of the things that you guys, I guess you had already gone, but I used to like...”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And also, Trump has elevated the media so much. Like the thing that used to frustrate us as reporters covering Obama is that how the press shop was like, yeah, who gives a shit? From the top down, you could not tease them into giving you shit, right? Like you could not be like, you'll get a good, you know, you're going to get some good coverage if you, you know, work with me. Work with me a little bit. Like they were really mostly immune to beet sweetening”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think in many ways Trump is a better reflection of Washington's true self than Obama was. Like Obama was unlike your typical Washington, you know, like Lanyard. He didn't have the same kind of approach to society, approach to his career. To me, it's like almost weirdly like otherworldly. Like he's so self-actualized, right? I think Trump is a much better reflection of the way the media even thinks about themselves. kind of even in those disparaging terms”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a good quality and obviously the counterexample is our current president who's just obsessed with whatever is, you know, all these personal slights.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Again, our current president and the last one kind of really interesting cases in point when you look at like whatever Obama was, like we can probably not debate too much about him because we're probably on the same page for a lot of his personal characteristics. He was not insecure about himself.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They're both industry towns, right? And they are similar in that way, I think. And I also think, you know, I'm not the first person that came up with Hollywood for ugly people, but there is something to that. And there's something. And what that really says to me is I don't want to engage in like judging people by their looks. I think what that really says is it's... The same kinds of ambitions that fuel Hollywood, but people who are even more insecure And these personal insecurities wind up having kind of bizarrely huge impact on policy.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Find her diary and publish it. But the thing that Winket really did was try and tell people cut it out. Like you're ridiculous. But it was combined, and I do think this is the important part, is with a really deep respect for what it is that we're trying to do in DC. Like if you come to DC, No one goes there to get rich or famous. Like, I don't think present the present president excluded perhaps, right? Least up until very recently, no one went to Washington to get rich or fame.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Had sex in exchange for a blender that I wrote about, but she liked she came to me, so I almost don't count that as like a scoop. And her blog was public. I didn't like.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And the fact that we can do it, they are servants, right? To remind everyone that works in Washington, you are actually the people's servants, including if you're a journalist. Like, you don't actually run the place. What you are as an employee. And you're an employee of one of the greatest experiments in democracy that the world has ever seen, but you're still an employee. Don't take yourself so fucking seriously. Right. And that was like basically my attitude at OneKet. I think people don't, a lot of people from one, a lot of people think it was a gossip site and it wasn't. I mean, I loved gossip and I definitely like when it came up in other publications, I was happy to discuss it, but I broke very, I think actually, I didn't break any stories. People talk about the Washingtonian thing, which is the woman that...”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was because this weird combination of traits that I have, which includes a fascination with structure institutions and a great deal of respect for structure institutions, really, and an undeniable impulse to kind of like make fun of them and throw spitballs and make faces and run away. Like both of those things exist within me. And I think it was. Made me the perfect person to start doing something that was amazing. Washington hadn't had before, which is like someone who both loved The ideals and thought everyone was ridiculous.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and it's a conundrum, I think, for critics because Trump does need to be called out. Like his tendencies are authoritarian, his policies do undergird white supremacy. We have to talk about that. Even the Stormy Daniels stuff, it's an abuse of power, right? And it might broken campaign finance law. These are things that are hysterically funny, I guess, right? But most of them are abuses of power. And that's actually the thing that comedians should be paying the most attention to. And that, again, like the role of the comedians to say the emperor has no clothes. It's the abuse of power that we really need to be focusing on.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because he doesn't like the things that we mock Trump for are things that he doesn't think there's a problem with. Right.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why does everything sound like a double entendre when we're talking about trouble? With hematas, but also he is like, you're right, I don't have anything on. Screw you all. I am naked. And I'm gesturing wildly.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's too easy. Although I'm going to tell you right now, I've been thinking about that dictum lately as watching Trump and just how like since there's no subtext, since it's all just text, it's almost like I know comedians have been having a field day, but I also feel like they don't have to do much work. Yeah. It's just like pointing.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I don't think he would. I mean, I'm trying to figure out exactly what you're talking about. I think. I mean, for one thing, he was editing, he was writing Gawker at the time. So there's kind of almost a house style, right? So it wasn't, the way that I was writing was perfectly in keeping with whatever Gawker was doing. And then to the extent that I needed editing, I mean, a lot of times. He and also Alex Balk, who was at. The all with Corey after Gawker. What they both did that was really helpful to me at the time and something I still think about, which is that to never go for the easiest joke, to never go after the target that everyone else is going after, and to try to make the second or third or fourth level of joke, right?”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was intended to be DC's Gawker. But Nick Denton, thank God, didn't know much about politics or American politics. And so he kind of just let me Have my own. With the site. And also, I had the great benefit of having Corey Sicha as my editor. He's now the Time style editor, which I can't quite get over”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know, it wasn't blowing deadlines at that point. My work for the most part, I mean, there might be editors listening to this that would disagree, but I think my work for the most part was pretty Kept it together because work was really important to me. It wasn't until kind of the last few years that my deadlines and pieces started to kind of get.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Mother Jones, if we want to go through and say Mother Jones, then feed magazine. Then I was at Inside for a hot second with Kurt Anderson. And then, I mean, then it starts to get, then I start to develop what my friend Jake calls the alcoholics resume, kind of bouncing around a little bit.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I remember people mocked cultural studies for writing about Madonna, but now that seems like, you know, perfect, like that wouldn't surprise anyone. Taking Madonna seriously, that was kind of like the knock on cultural studies is that you were taking pop culture too seriously to think that there was like some kind of message or some kind of if the structure of it meant something. It obviously did.”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I think also that my writing style started to kind of solidify there and also I made a transition from writing about popular culture to writing about popular to writing about politics. Which I'd always seen as interconnected when I was at UFC, I did some cultural studies classes and also at Berkeley. And that's one of the underpinning hypotheses of cultural studies is that Our pop culture is always doing politics. There's always politics presence”
2018-03-15 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 225 - Ana Marie Cox · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source