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Ana Marie Cox

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  1. You know, expletives like we did, you know, fake ingredient list. We had a magnetic poetry kit that we did that was like all our favorite words, which, I mean, both curse words and then we had definitely had some tropes that we liked a lot.

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  2. We actually had some really awesome choppies, actually. The suck swag was pretty great. I mean, there are people out there that still have it. I don't have any of it except, which is sad. Like for one convention we went to, we did stickers that wrapped around a Coke bottle that replaced the Coke sticker with our logo and then the ingredients were like snark.

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  3. I thought it was porn. I just didn't even respond to the email. And then a friend of mine was like, no, it's a real magazine. And she pulled it up on her computer. And I was like, oh, wow, wow, okay. And she's like, yeah, I think you might like it. They hired me over the phone and I moved to San Francisco and worked at Suck and then worked at Mother Jones. Then move back to New York

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  4. Anyway, so Chuck Chenko was a private listserv that had a lot of music critics and musicians on it, and I got invited to be on it and was so bored out of my skull at my corporate book Publishing job, I would just post. Like funny mini essays and get in trouble for it not being about music. And via kind of the tangles I had on that, someone who was starting a webcen in San Francisco called Suck.

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  5. Knows what a listserv is, which is kind of impressive. I guess they still exist. They actually sort of made a weird kind of comeback, I guess.

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  6. Well, you do because you're amazing research, yes. Yeah. But I started out my journalistic career as a music critic. And so I wrote about music, CJR, and spin. That's CJR. No. It's not Columbia Journalism Review. It's college music. I now can't remember the name of the publication. Chug Chenga was wow. Chugchenga was a listserv. Wow, some people nodding. That's a really, really old.

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  7. Lack of structure, and it was also kind of a bad fit just in terms of what I wanted to study. I hadn't made the best choices about where to, I think I was making my choice about where to go to grad school kind of like somewhat superficially, honestly, because I was a little bit depressed when I got a Chicago and I kind of just said maybe Berkeley will make me happy. And it didn't. So I moved to New York and got into, I started as an editorial assistant in book publishing, but then... I've always written and I found freelance gigs and I actually wrote mostly about music. This is a thing people don't. Yeah, I mean about me, but yeah.

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  8. That's you, huh? That's me until like I got, I mean, I started, I think I veered a little bit more into the rebellious kind of stuff, which was another thing that was always there too. Now, when I was at University of Chicago, I participated in student activism a lot, really, really loved it. Protested Orin Hatch speaking at the law school during the Clarence Thomas hearings when I was at Berkeley, I worked on a Marxist literary magazine, you know,

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  9. When the teachers go on strike, and Lisa goes nuts, like she just bouncing off the walls at home. And one of the things she says, like she's running around the living room, she's like, grade me, grade me, grade me, grade me. Like Marge kind of looks a little bit spooked, and she likes down an A on a piece of paper and shows it to Lisa. Lisa goes.

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  10. Right. And it's mostly pass fail. And I kind of remember having the realization that without a structure in which I could get a definitive grade. Like, I was a little lost. That it was hard for me to figure out what to do with myself if I wasn't able to get that A. I remember there's a thing, there's a Simpsons episode that's relevant here.

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  11. And I had this drive, and I had a format, I had an existing structure in which there was a thing that I could at least grab onto and say, like, look, I did this exactly how I was supposed to.

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  12. Like, I was drinking at UFC, but number one, it wasn't really out of hand at the time. I was still pretty able to kind of stop for a while if I needed to.

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  13. We haven't mentioned it yet, but I also happen to be a person with bipolar disorder, which may explain some of this too. Yeah,

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  14. American folklore. And I just did not, I felt like I was beating my head against the wall. I was so good at like not just, I wasn't just a good student, I was like really good at reading professors, really good at reading authority figures, right? And like figuring out what they wanted and being able to write kind of whatever it is that they consciously or unconsciously were saying, this one professor, like, I just couldn't figure out.

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  15. Yeah, actually clarify it. It was 1B in all A's. And I remember the class I got a B in very vividly. I probably remember it more than any other class. It was anthropology, folklore.

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  16. That's right I think there's always been, and again, I think this is actually something that a lot of people with addiction issues probably share. There's competing within me is a rebel that just wants to fuck everything. It feels fuck everything not once to fuck everything. And then Like this desperate craving for perfection, thinking that if I can do this perfectly, if I can do whatever it is in front of me perfectly, that will make me feel better. That will give me

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  17. But then it stops working. That's the thing about chemicals that they're not, they're a temporary fix. They're not a permanent fix.

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  18. Not to be constantly aware of what is happening and like thinking about my place in the world and like what other people are thinking about me and like trying to maneuver and like trying to figure out like what's happening like The booze just made me feel like I could stop thinking about everything for a second, which is how I imagined, and I still kind of think that that is probably how normal people feel. you

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  19. Yeah. And what I was going to say is, I feel like from the experience I've had in the rooms of 12-step programs and looking at my own life and hearing stories over at meetings from other people, hundreds of stories probably in the last almost seven years. I think the thing we haven't common is that a lot of us are born without the top layer of skin is the way I think about it. Like people are really easily bruised. They're ultra sensitive. Things leave a mark. You know, every bit of life leaves a mark on you. And what drugs and alcohol do is like just put a second, put that outward skin on you and makes you feel like everyone else. That is how what I discovered about booze right away the first time I got drunk, I was like, oh, so this is how other people must feel all the time.

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  20. Yeah, I mean, I had already started, I had already discovered booze. And the thing about being like a budding alcoholic, any alcoholic, is that drugs and alcohol solve a problem for people that are addicts and alcoholics The way that I've thought about it in the past is I think that a lot of us, I think for one thing I do believe that you're born with that.

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  21. Probably a little different than some of my classmates It did seem cool to have this place where everyone felt like this, there was a real sense of purpose. You could feel it, you know. And when something big happened, like actually when I was handing out that speech as she was giving it, like the kind of buzzy sense of like everyone knowing that this was a big deal.

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  22. Equipment was different, but I remember this maze of like curtained walls, you know, cardboard signs identifying all the different outlets. And I think I might have handed a speech to Peter Jennings at one point felt like really like, oh, it's Peter Jennings, which is a 15-year-old being super excited about Peter Jennings.

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  23. The journalists I think that it did. I think I was both offended but also tantalized with the idea that people knew things before other people, that that was a way you could operate in the world. And it did seem like it was kind of a cool like... Thing to be doing. It's funny now that I think back on it, it looked exactly like a filing center today, like with a, which you and I are very familiar with in a convention hall basement with like the temporary walls that are made out of curtains and

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  24. I think wow, I had never really thought of it before, but you can probably trace my impulse. To agitate outside sort of mainstream. So that

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  25. This offended me, yes. Like, it wasn't fair in some way that there was a group of people who got to see it before everyone else did. So I guess that's. Early kind of outsider

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  26. But I was pretty serious about it. He probably realized that. And the internship that I drew was at the press office, which at the time was just like basically a collection of Xerox machines. And you just Xerox stuff and then took it to the press filing center. And that was my first interaction with the mainstream media. And I actually, my first memory of that experience, my primary memory of that experience was the disillusionment I felt when I was at the copier printing out Anne Richard's speech before she gave it.

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  27. Yeah. Yeah, actually, I was a state officer for the Nebraska Young Democrats. At this point, actually, I planned on maybe having a career in electoral politics. And I came up with a bunch or went down from Nebraska to Atlanta with a bunch of people. And I kind of can't believe my dad let me do this, actually. I think I was 15 years old and we road tripped down with a bunch of college students.

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  28. Now, I don't remember how explicit the tape is or was, or if there are pictures, but he was caught with an underage girl.

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  29. That's right. I remember thinking to myself when she was telling me how important it was nuclear, you know, disarmament was my mom, I mean, telling me about it. I remember being like, yes, that is very important, but also thinking, I don't know if anyone else is going to believe that. There are more. Yes

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  30. Yeah, it was the 80. It was the 80 election And I wear a little corduroy suit and a little boater hat. And my best friend Kelly was Reagan, and she talked about, you know, recess and, you know, more dessert at lunch. And it was a lot like the real election. Well, there's an early lesson in politics.

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  31. I lost because my mother also was interested in politics and She helped me write my speech for grade school mock collection. And in it, I talked about salt too. As eighth graders would. Well, actually, I think it was, honestly, I think it was fourth grade.

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  32. But I do think that I give my dad a lot of credit for instilling me a sense not just of fairness and an ideal of social justice, but for making it really clear that it was my duty to uphold it in my everyday life, that it wasn't just some thing that I was supposed to, you know, Be in favor of.

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  33. Yes. I actually, what I actually remember from that is that not too long after that, some kid in my class told a Polak joke. I remember actually thinking, wait a minute. That's like that's the same thing Like that's follows the pattern that my dad was telling me about this broad generalization with kind of a word to dismiss a whole group of people. And I remember telling that kid not to use the word in front of me and being like this very odd kind of like. Okay, I mean, we were like in fifth grade.

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  34. And I had some idea of what it was, but I remember I was like in elementary school and someone used it in front of me like another kid. And I went home to tell my dad. And I asked him why it was a bad word. And he said, explained that it referred to a group of people who had been enslaved. And that it was fed into a stereotype, and that it was dismissive, and that it was offensive. And I shouldn't use it. And not only that, if anyone else used it in front of me, I should come and tell him. And I should tell them not to use it in front of me.

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  35. Certain things you're going to have He's got a emotional language is probably numbers. But it's there. And his love for me, I never doubted. He always thought I could do anything and encouraged me in everything that I did. He was always very interested in social justice, which we didn't have a word for, you know, back in the 80s and 90s, really. But I remember him telling me at some point in school to watch out for teachers if they seemed to call more on boys than girls to let him know. I remember, I think I've told the story in my podcast, but I'll tell it again, which is that when we were living here in Texas I remember, so the inward was around because this is still the south.

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  36. Yeah. And when I didn't act responsibly, the whole like, I'm not mad, I'm disappointed. Like, coming from my dad, it can really weighs a lot. Because also, like, it was this feeling like he was treating me with all this respect. And if I didn't treat him with respect back, then I had failed him in some way. I remember this is in my sports illustrated story, I think, that one time I broke curfew and I was like already like come in and be like, yeah, I broke curfew. You know, like, I don't know. It's going to be like defiant about it. And he stood on the landing and said, I'm really disappointed in you. You're a bad roommate. But I never broke curfew again.

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  37. They split up when I was in elementary school. I lived with her through junior high, and it was like nothing like after school special bad. It was just chaotic and it just wasn't a good situation. It there. And my dad offered for me to come live with him, and so I did. And it was a wildly different environment. To his credit or detriment, I don't know. Just treated me a lot like a little grown up rather than a teenager. Which if you're a teenager, like I loved it, but it was demanding too.

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  38. There were, you know, opposites attract and then repel, I guess, you know, but they met at TCU. And yeah, they were opposites in many ways. And it was a real change for me when I went to go live with him when I was in high school.

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  39. Yeah. And she was also beautiful. She had a master's degree in journalism. She loved poetry and painting. She was incredibly fun and vivacious and always a hit at every party. My friends all loved her. It was one of those things I always felt kind of jealous almost because I'd had friends over, like she was a lot of fun to be with. She was cooler than all the other moms. But she had a pretty serious drinking problem and it interfered with her ability to take care of me.

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  40. But he taught at UT during my childhood. I've always kind of loved that their mascot was so bizarre and that I actually started to love college football, which is a whole other story.

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  41. He is a Texan. His family roots go back here, as do my mother's. And he went to TCU, Texas Christian University, which is where my fandom for TCU comes from.

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  42. Means it like does a lot of risk analysis. It's not sort of for a company doing like insurance modeling. It's a more even more abstract version of actuarial science if you knew such a thing existed. So was it?

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  43. He actually is at the business school. He does risk theory primarily. He is an actuary, but an academic actuary. What does it mean?

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  44. In all of my friends who still live here, most of them skedaddle. During this time, like they do an Airbnb or home away and pay their mortgage for the month. Well, places.

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  45. It grows on the city like a fungus. It really is amazing. I actually lived in Austin 13 years. You're a Texan. Yeah. I lived here 30 years ago and it used to be a music festival. Did you know that? Yeah, no, I.

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