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“Well, I met them when I was 22. And like I told you, I was living in an RV making this show called All Gas No Breaks. And I would travel between cities like every other day. And so I would basically pick a new city. And I got in this like pretty bad habit of what I would say is essentially treating Instagram like a dating app. I would go to a new place. I'd post my location. I'd surf the DMs and I would look for fans to meet up with. It wasn't always girls. It was just people to party with because I was also partying every night. But a lot of times ended up being.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well It's tough because on one hand, I'm not opposed to restitution being part of a private accountability process for real abuse. You know, like if you've hurt someone to an extent that it took them out of work or something, like I think they're entitled to some money. But unfortunately, as I later learned, this person had legal counsel, and this was an attempt to basically create evidence by extracting a confession from me to use as precedent for a civil lawsuit to the tune of a couple million dollars.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Apparently, years of therapy bills that this person had accrued after she says that she felt that I pressured her into giving consent years prior, and I was confused, not only because of the timing, but because this is someone that I hadn't seen in years or spoken to in years, and I presume that I was on good terms with. So I didn't respond to the text message. And then, when I didn't respond about seven days later, this person made some TikTok videos and with the help of some friends, launched an online campaign they got picked up by the press pretty quickly.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The week of the movie release, it was like every day. I was like, oh my God, six days, five days, four days. And when it became two days, like I was so excited and so like. Honestly, anxiety riddled because it was such a massive platform that I went out to the desert by myself out in the Mojave, got a hotel, and just kind of sat there. And then moving release day comes, it was supposed to come out at 8 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. I remember it was like 12 hours left, 10 hours left, and then eight minutes before the movie at 7.52. I guess it was sent at 1052 East Coast time. I got a text message requesting a portion of my fat HBO check to contribute toward.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Ready and able to do so. Everything sort of started on December 30th, 2022, and that was the release date of the HBO project. Like I told you, we didn't know when the movie was going to come out. We weren't told that it was going to come out on that date until early November. And so it was like, oh my God, here we go. We had a movie coming out. HBO had, I didn't even know it was going to be them. So every day for those 50 days to where I received word and to the movie announcement or to the movie release was like, I was like a kid waiting for Christmas morning. You know what I mean? It was like every day. I just, I saw the movie release date as the first day of like the rest of my life. And so I remember”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, I've yet to speak on this for a lot of reasons, mostly because it's just a hard time and it's a sensitive subject. And I've wanted to prioritize the reporting. But I think that now I'm a...”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no, no. Joker Gang is like a Miami Cuban guy. Is Joker 305 Raws Chico alive? So me and I have been following him for a long time on Instagram because he used to post videos of himself popping Perkassets and smoking blunts on the toilet freestyling. And so I had followed him for a while And then I finally got this platform, and I said, Oh my God, I bet you now that we have a million followers, Joker gang will sit down with us. And lo and behold, the clout did its thing. And there I was, face to face with the man.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, that's really our guys Like, that's where we're at. All these smart people we have in this country, the great history.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, I mean, your vote actually matters. Let's say you have a community of 500 people and you live in Henderson, Nevada. You can influence whether or not there's a bike lane or if this is going to be a playground or, you know, an AMPM. You get to choose. And you can influence 100 people to choose and boom, this is your community. You can't influence the result of an election.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know. I wish people were more focused on city politics. I'd rather vote yes or no for a bike lane in my neighborhood than I would for the president”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There has to be a level of economic desperation that's causing people to starve or some basic resource going away. Water, something like that”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that Americans overall are very comfortable with our standard of living. I think people like going to Sonic and waiting in their car and getting milkshakes and people like going to the AMC theaters and they like going ice skating and mini golfing and going to the bar after work. I don't think that anyone wants a collapse of the basic structure of the country. Even the most politically divided don't want to see 7-Eleven go away. We are so comfortable. If you look at other countries, even Europe, look at how they protest. And look at the Arab Spring. Those guys were talking like January 6thers and they actually took control of the government. Know and so think about even if the MAGA crowd took over the Capitol building, it's just a building.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, homelessness in Seattle and San Francisco is for sure a result of the housing crisis. Especially post COVID and all the gentrification that preceded it. And it's unfortunate now that the conservative media is saying, like, look at Biden's America as if Biden created homeless people. And it's just disappointing because once again, you're seeing the media use real issues that should concern every U.S. citizen and Causing people to point fingers at a different political party as responsible for the suffering of others.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But what I think of as bad poverty, like let's say West Baltimore or Ninth Ward New Orleans, is nothing compared to what's going on in almost half of the world, if not more. And so it just made me zoom out a little bit. Sometimes you forget about third world poverty when you live here for so long. And you get programmed to believe the worst things that are out there is like Kensington, Philadelphia or Tenderloin San Francisco. But those are just microcosms of more or less functioning cities despite what they might lead you to believe. Philadelphia is a great place. So is San Francisco. But there's places where everywhere is really run down.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wish success on everybody who comes here, but my thing is the expectation that they have and the sort of American dream propaganda they've been installed with isn't necessarily a reflection of contemporary American reality. So I'm talking to people who speak no English and say, I'm here for a better life. I go, where are you going to go? They say, I have no idea. And I'm like, man, that's tough. And you almost think how bad are things elsewhere for someone to abandon their family, make this journey across multiple continents, and end up here with no plan. And it just made me realize how sheltered I am to a certain extent as an American and walking back what I said a little bit because I was just trying to make a point.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, just the sheer desperation that the citizens of the world are in. I mean, there's people who truly believe that America is the only hope for their success and to feed their family. And I think a lot of them are kind of getting catfished.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A common thing you see all the time, like neighborhood watch people, you know what I mean? Like, what made you that? What did you do, bro, that you feel like you have to get karmic retribution by doing the reverse? I don't get it”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Calls himself a pedophile hunter and makes videos exposing democratic elite pedophile cabals and is himself a convicted child moles There's an old thing that people say that every confession, every accusation is a confession to a certain extent. So, it's bizarre that some people's whole life after a big mistake will revolve around trying to seem like the good guy instead of taking accountability for themselves.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is a little longer. If you're a conservative and you have a t shirt with like a demon on it, like say goodbye, you know what I mean? There's certain stuff that they freak the hell out about.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, you know, like every community has Of exile, you just got to know who you're engaging with, and you got to make that decision carefully.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It does happen, but every community has terms of exile. I mean, look, imagine think about what happens in the conservative realm. Like when black rifle coffee company denounced Kyle Rittenhouse, they lost a lot of money too. It's not the right attacks of its own too. I mean, think about Bud Light and stuff.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tend to lean toward the empathetic perspective, which I do think is more on the left and the right. Also, I'm not into super PC stuff. I don't believe in limiting free speech either. I don't believe that I believe in a free internet, which I think is more embraced now by conservatives.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not really sure sometimes. I like to think that I am socially left. Like I think people should be able to dress and act like however they want. I don't believe in restricting people's social freedoms. Economics-wise, it doesn't seem like leftist economic policy works very well on a city funding level, like if you see what's going on in California, it seems like the city leadership is mishandling the funds in California too. So I don't know about that, but I don't know. I don't really see myself as left or right. I just never have”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, in a weird way. Like, even though him and I don't talk that much just because he's doing his own thing, Jonah Hill is like a huge factor in my current success and just like everything that I've been able to accomplish.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that Jonah Hill has a good eye for what's cool amongst the younger folks. He's in the skateboarding stuff. That's why he did that film mid 90s. And I think he probably saw a similar thing in what was going on with all gas no brakes and was like, shit, this could be big. And so not only did he actually fund the film, he also gave me his agent. And I forgot to mention that it was Jonah Hill's lawyers that he gave me for free that got me out of my contract eventually with doing things media or freed me up to speak about what happened.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was actually Tim and Eric's idea. There was a really great editor named Clay who works for Absolutely, and they did all the editing pretty much in the office. And so it was Clay's idea to add a retrospective director's chair, narrative arc to the whole film.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My head, it's like I finally got to make the transition from a YouTuber to filmmaker, and that was always this psychic barrier that I felt like I had to jump over, you know.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it was a great experience, man. I mean, it was awesome working with Tim and Eric, awesome working with Jonah Hill. I feel the same about HBO and A24. Everybody that I worked on the film with, I have a lot of love for, and I appreciate the experience. It's my first movie. It's a big deal.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of people were controlled by their audience. They don't have to have a puppet master on a corporate level. Audience incentive is a different type of. Want to say slavery”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, it's pretty cool. Maybe I'll one day try to do that for now. I'm too attached to the gratification of. A million views in a day and stuff like that. I'm not going to lie to you and say that I've beat that or something.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Honestly, I do actually. I feel that way sometimes. Like, I'll put out something that I care about a lot, but if it doesn't get as many views, I'm like, all right, it must have not been as good as my higher view videos or whatever.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, for sure, because, and I definitely feel that sometimes. I know what works for me, but I like to think that my audience appreciates when I try new things. So I'm not totally enslaved to it. I mean.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I did years ago. Not anymore. I feel like now I can speak freely and really say what I want to say in my new life. But when I was younger, yeah, I felt like I had to be this sort of awkward, sort of amicable, aloof guy who just didn't think anything about anything and just was here to listen. But now I feel more confident adding some narrative and voiceover and things like that.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He's right about big tech censorship. I mean, I think if he's right about anything, it would probably be the heads of big tech colluding together across company lines to deplatform certain people. He's right about that. I think most of the things that he says follow the question everything narrative, and then everything is kind of like a conspiracy or like a plot or a false flag. I think that he's built up a following for so long that wants him to do that, you know, so I think he'll question things that he probably thinks are relatively straightforward because that's the shtick of the show. I mean, the info war is fighting misinformation. And people want to see him be that guy. To a certain extent, if you're a creator who supports your family, you do follow economic incentives. And people want you to be the character, and so you're going to naturally gravitate toward being it.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“If you look at the speech he did on January 5th, it was said, he said tomorrow millions of patriotic Americans will take our country back. So he eggs people on, and then when it gets hot, he steps away.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it was just. When all that was happening, when I was under fire from the mainstream press for platforming Alex Jones, I thought back to what he said to me. And doesn't mean I agree with everything he says, but he told me you're going to be in trouble with these people if you put me in your video. And it wasn't too bad a trouble, but definitely I do think sometimes. The film would have been like without him. And I think that it was worth it because his scene is so funny to me and it brings me back to a different time in my life. And I'm happy that that scene's out there.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Front of a live audience. NPR never published this. The only recordings of it are by a fan named Rob in Boston, who put it on YouTube as vertical phone footage. And I literally am like, well, the Sandy Hook family's lawyer, Mark Bankston, who represented them in court in Connecticut, told me specifically that Leonard Posner, the father of Noah Posner who died at Sandy Hook, was a huge fan of the film. And so I said that to her, and that kind of just like silenced that conversation, but the rest of the whole conversation was just about exploitation and why are you platforming mentally ill people and giving a platform to conspiracies like QAnon? Don't you feel like you're a part of their spread? Someone would call you a misinformation reporter. This crazy stuff, and yeah, next day hit the fan.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's over the line, so I go, Hey, great to meet you. She doesn't shake my hand I go, why not? And she goes, You've been around some people who I don't want their germs And I'm like, okay, okay, this is weird. I thought this is a sort of like fun premiere for my movie. We sit down. The first thing she asks me is how do you think the Sandy Hook families would feel about you platforming one of the most despicable Americans in history, Alex Jones?”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And then the only remaining appearance I had left was NPR in Boston. And that was supposed to be a premiere. So it wasn't supposed to be an interrogation. It wasn't supposed to be anything like that. Supposed to be a premiere in front of a live audience where they watched a film and I show up after for a Q&A. So I'm like, all right, whatever. It's kind of weird. They only have this one press opportunity left. I kind of felt bad that I ruined the entire press tour by confronting Don Lemon. But at this point, I wanted to just do this final one, especially because it was a viewing. And I was like, cool. I sat in the audience. I watched people laugh to the film. It was awesome. So I go backstage and there's an NPR journalist waiting for me. And nothing against people who wear masks, but she had two N95s on. And I'm not, two N95s is...”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I had a handler that A24 assigned to me. So I had someone with me, and you could tell she was flustered. She was furious about what I just did. And so she goes, I just got an email from Time Warner C-Suite. And I go, what's Time Warner C-Suite? She says, I don't know if you know this, but the same people who own the same people who own CNN own HBO And it's time war. And so they canceled my press tour. So my press store was finished. All the late night shows that I was supposed to go on. I was supposed to go on like the late night shows. And that was off the table because they were worried that I was like a loose cannon, I think.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Pretty much. Nice. You know, I was so, my mom was watching it, she was texting me. She's like, What are you doing? And I was like, I don't know. And so he goes, why'd you extend the platform to Alex Jones? I go, I don't know. I just wanted to drink some Jameson and lift some weights with him. You know, I'm just at this point, I don't. Support that kind of media. I don't support CNN. So I didn't give them much information about Alex, but it was very awkward. They never posted the segment online. When I got off of that interview,”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so I told him it's not about Enrique Tario, it's about how companies like Fox, MSMBC, and even your station, CNN, use the 24-hour news cycle to enrage people to generate ad revenue and pit Americans against each other during times like that. And he said, there's nothing fake about CNN. I said, I didn't say you were fake news. I'm not saying you're lying, but you're directly antagonizing and stirring people up against half the country because you need money to support a dying platform.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So HBO had a press tour set up for me. And the main ones were CNN and NPR. And so they said we're going to go on CNN on the Don Lemon Morning Show. And he's going to ask you about your life, what led up to the movie, what we can expect. So I get in the studio, it's about seven o'clock in the morning in New York. I had a show the night before at Times Square. So I'm like groggy-eyed, whatever. They put the lab on me. Boom, I'm live on CNN Sunday morning. And he goes, how would you describe Enrique Atario's mental state in the lead up to the Capitol insurrection? And I'm looking around. I'm like, is this guy serious? Like, am I sandwiched into the January 6th hit piece right now? I thought it was about me.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Aka destroying humanity, whatever it was. So that was the whole thing. And when I did this media training that was, you know, mandated by HBO. It was all training and how to defend from that exact question. Said when we put you on NPR, we put you on CNN. Going to ask you about platforming problematic ideologies, and you're going to have to say stuff like sunlight is the best disinfectant. I believe that extremism only goes away when you shine a light on it, because leaving it in the dark will only allow it to grow. They gave me like 15 pointers. I didn't use any of those pointers because I'm not the kind of person who wants to be media trained. I like to speak freely. But in the promotional run for the film, when I went on CNN, this was a crazy experience. So I went on CNN, and thankfully my friend was with me. And so I'm on CNN.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He told me when I met with him, he was like, I know you think that having me in this movie is a good idea, but you're going to have some serious backlash because of that. At the time, I was like, man, it's fine. It's all good. We're just hanging out, drinking whiskey, doing bench presses, drinking Jameson. It's all good. It was a, first of all, I had to campaign to get him in the film because the studios were like, there was a bizarre time around like, I think it was 2018 where de-platforming was the big thing that people were encouraging. It said giving a platform to problematic ideologies will in turn expand their reach. And so even extending your platform to someone who's problematic is helping them.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Getting up Think early 50s. I just found it fascinating. I mean, how nice his studio is. I mean, the guy's got like an MSNBC level setup. I actually had a great time with him, you kn I mean, it's bizarre because having him in that movie. Created so many problems for me. And when I interviewed him, I didn't necessarily portray him in the best light. We joked around a bit, but it wasn't Alex Jones' hit piece necessarily. But I like to think that I was a bit critical of him in the film, especially the ways that he antagonized his supporters to Storm the Capitol or to follow that trajectory.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Jones from making this film. For one, he's the exact same off camera as he is on camera. It's not an act. He told me that all real Americans die before 58. He mentioned Sean Connery and a few others.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's not the guy. And I don't have TDS. I'm not an orange man basher who thinks about the guy all the time, but I don't think he's the guy.”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everywhere. Everyone wants to make money, dude. This is the world that we're in. It's in collapse. Everybody wants to make money and engagement is the rule of law. So anything, that's why these news organizations follow retention incentives. They want to make money by selling ads. So they try to create fear and constant division to enrich corporate media establishment. And you have people who are almost realizing, hey, it seems like Fox and CNN might be owned by the same people and are tactically using these machines to keep us divided perfectly 50-50 to ensure that the power structure never gets disrupted. And then you get these people, you know who's going to save us? Donald Trump. That's the guy. How is that the guy?”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's possible That QAnon is a psyop to distract people away from actually uncovering what the deep state is and who is truly Running things behind the scenes because the deep state is just the one percent. That you get people so close to any type of class consciousness and then you totally divert everything into like lizard humans who live on the moon and that Hillary Clinton is eating babies on camera. And QAnon did just that. They want to convince you that one, there's no conservative deep state, which is even more hilarious, that Trump isn't connected to a huge, rich corporate apparatus of propagandists. And two, that the Democratic establishment is the only deep state and that some middle of the road can Three headed snake”
2024-04-13 · Lex Fridman Podcast · #425 – Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source