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Andrew Marantz

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first: 2019-10-09
most recent: 2019-10-09
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“The first New Yorker feature I ever wrote was about Truman Show Delusion about people who believe they're in the Truman Show and how delusions change because of the ecosystem we're in. And now we're in this personal celebrity ecosystem. So why wouldn't that be the thing you believe?”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Actually, I'm really good at it, and I'm a professional Twitter. Anyway, Andrew, I like Twitter in some ways. You know I do. I love it. I use it all the time, but I definitely think there are many people that you could quit whenever.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think they should be let off the hook. I don't think they should be made to feel better when they haven't done anything. But I do think that their desire to be made to feel better is a lever that people can push on. You got to use what you've got.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, they knew I was a NARC because I was supposed to be undercover as a journalist, but then I wore a bathing suit into the bass and they were like, this guy doesn't belong.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think. But you know what their reaction is to go out to Eslin and pray. Give me whatever and drink, you know, have Salt bath. Yes. I'm just like, no. Sure. Just make things not so bad. I will say the.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But it's not either or. Like, we're all a little bit narcissistic. We all want to be loved. And now that people are yelling at them. Thank you for that. They want to be loved. And, you know, I think that's a good lever to push on. I think”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was about the Esselin Institute and about the Center for Humane Technology and how, you know, again, like I feel ambivalent about this. Silicon Valley is having a moment where they go, okay, people suddenly don't like us the way they used to.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What I am is, I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. I believe that what we do will shape the future, so we got to do it. I think we can do it, but it's really hard. And if the arc of history doesn't bend automatically, and if we're the ones who bend it, then we got to actually start doing it. And it's not inevitable. It's not easy. But it's like climate change. It's like you both have to have your own personal hygiene. You have to recycle. You have to, you know, not get taken in by, you know, memes that make you feel lizard brainy and all that stuff in your personal life. But you also have to create a movement that says we want to live in an informational sphere that works where we can see what's true about the world, where we can know how to emotionally regulate ourselves while being informed citizens. That's really complex and hard. But I think it can certainly happen. Bigger changes than that have happened.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, and this is where look, if I were on the Supreme Court of Facebook, honestly, if I'm being really generous, I don't know what I would tell them to do. If I had a magic wand, I don't think I could say, do this, this, and this, and the problem is fixed. I think there are low-hanging fruit things to do. I think you have to, this whole notion that the algorithms are about what's most relevant to you, a squirrel dying in your front yard is more relevant. Change that. The problem, of course, is shareholders wouldn't want that because it would slow growth.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To go, this is what it feels like. Right, which is interesting, and it shouldn't be from one person. It was interesting, if you really want to change something, put someone who really can change things. I think then you're just an irritant. And that's what's interesting. This Supreme Court thing. I'm going to write about it soon because I'm sort of like. I was like, I volunteer. Okay. Sure.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think they mean it. It's just there's no way, unless they putting. They never put employees on boards You know, if they really are serious, put some people who really could fuck things up. Or put them.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally. So California's at the head of this. Europe is obviously ahead of the curve. So you have all this privacy regulation. You have people questioning Section 230. I don't know exactly how you would rewrite Section 230. You have this Supreme Court of Facebook. That's going to be a big thing”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, of course. And, you know, it's another way that some of these alt-right talking points creep into the mainstream. But to me, that's a sign of another Overton window shift, where it's like, before we couldn't even talk about regulating this industry, now we're definitely talking about it. So”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, so cigarettes, to use that example, government regulation was part of it, but there was also a social consensus if I'm a director of a movie and I have people smoking all the time, I feel bad about myself. So it all is a feedback loop, right? And you're seeing movement. I mean, you have Josh Hawley and Elizabeth Warren agreeing on certain elements of tech regulation.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, I want to finish up. Where do you think it goes? Where do you think? What is next? It's figured out the antisocial, we figured out it's addictive. We figured out it's incredibly bad for society. And look what did happen to the cigarette industry. It did happen to, you know, ultimately, not fully, but for sure. They've definitely, you know, lots of industries have been pulled back. Chemical companies, all kinds of things. When does that happen? If at all”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Twitter's doing rather well. So that's a big problem. But I think it's a civilizational problem in the sense that climate change Is the problem of our time? We know what's causing it. We just have to fix it. Similarly, in this, we're even more far behind because we don't even really know. It's not like carbon is the problem. It's this whole set of things that are subjective and squishy and weird. And it's not that nothing is happening. It's just not happening fast enough.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I mean, a lot of the problem is creating a cultural context where it's hard to sleep at night. If you're running a grocery store where all of your front aisles are rat poison and Oreos, You should not be able to sleep at night. You should feel bad about what you're doing”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“While regulate it from the government is one thing, but also rethink its role in our society. So if you think people like the food analogy, it's not that it's only poison. And it's not that it's only perfectly healthy balanced meal. It's like a grocery store where we only put Oreos and rat poison in the front. And if you really search in the back of the grocery store, you could find a salad for”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The larger thing of rethinking how we incentivize the whole thing is this all built around emotional engagement, or are we going to reconsider, you know, what are we here for? Like, are we here for racking up points?”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think Jack could do it. I mean, they've been to it. He could do it. Or Vijaya, you know To say, like, look, you're violating our rules. You obviously like our platform. Why don't you cut it out? But it's also, but I mean, in the whole larger scheme of things, Trump being a symptom, not a cause By the time you're like, okay, do we or don't we ban Alex Jones? You're way too far down the line of causation.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of course, there's a case for banning it, or at least send someone to sternly sit him down in the Oval Office and go, hey, stop doing that.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which we already have. Yes. I mean, there is stuff to do, but it's, I think, if we're talking at the level of who should we ban today, then I think we're talking about symptoms, not causes, right? So if it's should they or shouldn't they ban Trump, I mean, look, I think if Twitter has a policy against threats and Trump is literally threatening nuclear war,”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“She's amazing. She's quite good on it. She's amazing She's going to be president Anything to do, or there is Now, there is, yeah, I mean,”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It is like very few people can do it. Well, AOC can do it really well. She's amazing good on it. She's amazing. She's quite good on television. She's going to be president. Probably where does it go and what responsibility does, let's just pick on Twitter or Facebook. But Twitter, I think, is really what you're talking about because it's the cauldron of it, the cesspool where those stuff sort of emerges out of, let's finish on what to do. Where does it go or is there anything to do? Just we're moving into network”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, he's maybe an exception because he still has the nuclear codes, you know, but once he goes away and, you know, either”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Words hardly matter. Then words hardly matter. I think I agree with you. So, what to do? I mean, is Twitter responsible? Trump, to me, if you take him off of Twitter, that's it. It's a lot of that's it. Even on TV, it doesn't reach enough people.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Leonard Cohen or something, you're like, that guy can't sing, but he can really fucking sing. And I mean, you know, if it's not clear, I don't like the words he was saying, but I get...”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then I went home, and this was even more apparent when I watched it on a screen where it was really meant to be played. And I watched the whole thing on a laptop. And I go, it's like a singer with no voice, but who has a kind of soul. It's like listening to like.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Back then it was the crazy one. Now it's a crazy one. And nobody knew it was going to happen. I just happened to be in the White House briefing room. And so I was 10 feet away from it when it was happening. And I was like, you know, I get it. He has no vocabulary. He has no memory. He has no relationship with the truth. He's weird looking. Like all these things that you would think. Charisma would be about. He doesn't have. But he has this specific kind of charisma where I go if I liked what he was selling, I totally get how I would be buying it.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In following that troll into the White House briefing room, I had a lot of chances to see Trump speak up close. And he did this press conference that's still the most amazing thing I've ever seen. It was like the first week of his administration and it was already falling apart. Flynn was going to. Get fired, and his instinct is to go put me in front of the cameras, I'll take care of it. So he has his first press conference as president.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Benefit of the doubt. That's not what the media told me it was. And part of the social media thing is you always can go directly to the source. So if you're seeing on the Today Show bad person does bad thing. You go, let me look it up for myself. And then you watch the entire hour-long speech that that one clip came from and you go, he said a lot of other stuff too. Like, why didn't the media talk about that? I mean, this totally applies to Trump. When I was...”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but there is often people like, oh, you know, some people write some things. I'm like, that's totally offensive. And they're like, they were a range of persons. I don't care. Right. I'm able to say, I don't care. I'm going with the writing part. But a lot of people do.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because you listen to them directly. I mean, I can tell you when you listen directly to Richard Spencer. He's not a frothing maniac the entire time. It's not just literally him seaguiling the entire time. He talks about art. He talks about architecture. He talks about Europe.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, exactly. When did it ultimately get there? And I think the exhaustion combined with that creates, people do talk about this question of normalization, but you really are like, what was the thing last week or what was the thing? And what I tend to think happens a lot is the forces of more moderate. I would say I wouldn't say left because I think it's more most people to me, most people are really in the center a lot of ways. Most people coalesce around the center. But it's more of giving people the benefit of the doubt. And so to me, the alt-right has used these tools beautifully in that they play people constantly and people are constantly played because they're taking advantage not necessarily of fear as much as Oh, they don't mean to be bad. Or that you get played by”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It tends to accept things like more quickly. I think that's what it is. It's like one, you get exhausted, two, you're like, how is it that bad? Like, you know what I mean? And my enemies hate it, so maybe I should like it. Is it really going to, is it just, this is just so much reality show bullshit?”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Secret propaganda mastermind of the all-right. He is a fascinating, disgusting character. He's kind of the Resputan behind Richard Spencer. He creates a lot of the talking points on the memes. And when I bring that up because, I mean, he's a big part of the book, but when people found out, hey, your job is to be anti-Semitic and your wife is Jewish. It seems like a big contradiction. But he's really good at forging this bond with his audience where he goes, you know, life isn't perfect and nothing is exactly what it appears to be. But you should just stick with me because I'll explain to you how the world works. And they stuck with him. So it's like”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, I can't keep up with it. It turns into this fog. And Hannah Rent has this beautiful passage about how totalitarian leaders will say, okay, when I'm telling you the truth, I'm the only one who can tell you the truth. When I'm lying to you, it's because we're all in on the joke and we know that the truth is what we want it to be. So it's just forging an emotional bond. I mean, one of the guys I wrote about in the book was a Nazi with a Jewish wife. And when his”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If you just looked at it plainly, why is Trump so obsessed with claiming that a hurricane was going to go to Alabama when it wasn't? Or why would Say that he didn't tweet what he tweeted 12 hours ago This is like Hana Arendt stuff. It's like the autocrat wants to make truth what he wants it to be. So it's flexing his power.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm not the first to notice this, but they wait for him to tweet to make sure he's listening. He tweets, they put it up on the big tweet screen. They have this like 40-foot tall screen that's only for Trump's tweets. And then they talk to him about his tweets. So I happen to be watching the week that Roy Moore lost in Alabama at the special election. And Doug Jones Day before that happened, the message of Fox and Friends was a vote for Roy Moore is a vote for Donald Trump. Then he lost. Donald Trump doesn't like losing. He likes winning. So Donald Trump rewrote the history of the past 24 hours to say, I never liked Roy Moore. I wanted Luther. Fox and Friends says, Trump really won this election because Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So then it's just like then you're living in this bizarro world where, I mean, you know, it's like,”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So he, you know, the New Yorker, because they want to make me feel as much pain as possible in my life, they assigned me to watch Fox and Friends for a week and sort of just write a review of how Fox and Friends works. And so I watched, I had bought a cable box, watched Fox and Friends for a week, and then returned my cable box to me and said, get this out of my house immediately. So the way Fox and Friends works is it's like a two-way mirror. They're just like only talking to Trump.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. So you have the Steve Kings of World, who most people really isn't welcomed anywhere, but you'd have the Roy Moores, you have some others that are. And then when I think it all leads ultimately up to Trump, right? Talk about that because I think he's the perfect result. Everyone always thinks he's aberrational. I'm like, no, he's not aberrational. Yeah, he has the”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, but it's even scarier that he got reelected because there's supposed to be this notion that when you really go to Iowa, you know that people don't really hate each other. And look, I'm not here to say everyone is bad and racist at their core or everyone is good and angelic at their core. What I think is The arc bends the way it bends because of what people do And when you have broken your informational ecosystem, The point where half of people can go, Why is an open white nationalist in Congress? And the other half of people can go, oh, that's just political correctness. Why can't we just speak freely anymore? The left is so blah, blah, bl Then he gets reelected That's where the informational architecture being broken doesn't allow you to just see the truth and call it the truth.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's sort of a game of telephone. But you have people like Steve King going, Since when is it offensive to talk about white supremacy and Western civilization? Like, why can't we talk about that? And you're like, why do we have to keep, this is, again, if you believe in the great American consensus, you would think that's a closed question But these questions are all open once again”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that was in the TV era when it was all about keeping eyeballs. It wasn't about this infectious spread the way it is through viral media. So, if you want to talk about how these talking points find a more mainstream life You know, it's in Congress. It's like Steve King. These podcasts, so I spent a lot of time with this podcast that was called The Daily Showah. Which is a very funny pun because. So, yeah, so that's the level of discourse we're talking about. It's like the Daily Show, but the Holocaust are, again, out and out Jew-hating white nationalists. And so they themselves cannot just like go on Fox News. But their talking points, they're very, very good at crafting narratives that”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But so Fox News likes the rest of the Republican Party has been taken over by Trump. And so sometimes what that means is just that they lie about stuff and they say, we love the Russians, even though we hated them five minutes ago. And we, you know, Kim Jong-il is a very strong leader. And Kim Jong-un, sorry. And, you know, they'll do that stuff. But on core fundamental issues, the Fox News of 10 years ago was much more of a Bush era. They tried to gesture toward, we're not at war with Islam, we're at war with terrorism. We're a nation of nations. They've dispensed with that now.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, yes. And also the thing she will say white, you're supposed to leave out the word white when you dog whistle, but she just says it.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Totally. So they got him into office They have Tuck They love Tucker They Tucker Carlson. Right. So, you know, just to use that as an example, the alt right, the hardcore alt right, the white nationalist, they think that Tucker is doing more to advance the cause of white nationalism than anyone else in the country.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that where we are? Because it just seems like there's more and more people, and we'll get to Trump in the next section because he's the ultimate end to this, sort of, which doesn't really matter if they survive or not because we like Trump there.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. All right, we're going to get to where who's going to be the guy forever, but who remains of this? So at some point, you have a sort of a burning bright and then it Don't burn. It burns out, I guess.”
2019-10-09 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: "Antisocial" author Andrew Marantz · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's also its rules, but it's also just they make people feel gross, like they, in order to get enough of that initial attention to create that much disgust and, whoa, what is that? I need to look at that. It was like people don't want to be around that. It's like you could never put Mike Sernovich or Steve Bannon on TV. People don't want to watch that all day. I mean, I'm talking about it at a very base level because I think a lot of the way that.”
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