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“For now, we certainly want to finish the school year and, you kn My kids have gotten very comfortable here. They got some new friends and moving them would be kind of hard.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, we've done a lot on public-private partnerships. And Huge world over there. There's different modes of transportation. And it's just, you know, I don't know. I haven't really thought about it that deeply. I just know that whatever I'm doing, I'm going to want to be.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, you know, I've got some time to spend with them and hopefully in a less chaotic way. But I'm always interested in mission driven work. I'm always interested in trying to translate what I've done in the public sector. And I think there are ways in the private sector that you can do well and do good at the same time. And I'll be looking for those opportunities. I don't know. I don't know.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not immediately. You know, look, I've been in public service for 12 years. My daughter is 12, not coincidentally. And we've got maybe seven more years with her in the house. And then she's going to be going off to college. And my 10-year-old's not far behind her.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Maybe. You know, I think one thing I've learned about this job in being a mayor is I like to run things and I really like to lead people and set goals and try to attain those goals. You know, I don't know if Jennifer Anniston is looking for a co-star for I might be available.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. I don't even know what I'm going to have for lunch on inauguration day yet. But I've had a ball in this job. It's been, it's tested me in almost every way. I feel like we've moved the needle on so many things, important things. But I'm probably looking for another place to plant my flag. My biggest problem is that I'm not coming out of this job at 70. I'm coming out of this job at 45. So I don't have the luxury of just exciting things to do. I mean,”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think they were talking to some folks in the FAA, but the communication with Silicon Valley is often kind of noisy. That's because you have people who feel like they've got the best idea and they're ready to move forward as quickly as possible. And the government is a bit of an obstruction to them. So on the other hand, I think folks are realizing that, you know, If a drone crashes someplace and creates a big problem or an autonomous car gets into an accident, There's risk to the entire category. So I think they're starting to recognize. that there is a role for the federal government to play in laying out the safety markers and creating an environment where people not only have confidence in the technology But they have confidence in the safety regime around it.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Talking publicly about it even though we were working like beavers to try to move along our registry, to move along our small UAS rule and several other things.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Actually, no, I mean, you know, there's so much that's going on at any given time. I think there are... They're people, like I'll give you an example, Jeff Bezos. Amazon got really frustrated at the pace of our drone regulations. How interesting. And so they were very vocal.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we've done very well. If you're going to pin me down, I mean, I don't know what other agencies have done or not done. But I'd say it would certainly be in the A range in terms of what I know.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the big difference between today and, let's say, four years ago. Is that we know we need to be ready. And we're now Thinking about it, we're building models like the AV guidance that we've been talking about to be able to wrestle with these questions in a way that we weren't able to do even three years ago. So I think it's really a more iterative process than are we ready or are we not ready? I think are we asking the questions correctly? Are we talking to a wide enough array of people who can give us different perspectives? And then are we taking those learnings and starting to act on those based on what we know?”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, look, they're in a highly competitive business. And what could be a high-level opportunity to enhance all vehicles sometimes yields to competitive pressures. But we think that the auto industry is well suited to a model that takes a proactive safety culture and builds on it. And anonymous data being shared isn't a new thing. It's something that they can do and we really think they should.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, in order to get there, government's not going to pound the fist and make the industry do it. But we've had good success in our department with the aviation sector where the commercial carriers actually share anonymous data with us on accidents, near accidents. And we're able to do a root cause and work with industry to ensure that it doesn't happen again. So I think there's some opportunities for the auto industry to partner.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly, exactly. And, you know, there's some work that the industry is going to have to do indifferently than they've had to do before. And I'll give you an example of that. Like imagine you're in an autonomous car and you come to a pothole. And your car notices it, avoids it, and you keep moving. Well, can that learning about that particular row condition be shared not only among cars made by the same manufacturer? Can it be shared across the board to other autonomous vehicles so that a car that doesn't have that capability can at least learn the lesson?”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And that will continue beyond this administration. We also call for the guidance to be updated annually. We debated that actually because guidance is good guidance if people can rely on it for a long time. But we figured that it was going to be enough of a break from our traditional way of approaching something like this, that we needed to check in and have an ongoing conversation with our stakeholders about it, including safety advocates and a whole wide range of people. So I think annually is a good increment for now.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think those things are on different paths and they have different people who are fired up about them. So I think in theory we can chew gum and walk straight at the same time.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, I don't know. I think what I can say is I think everybody has an interest in figuring this out. We are moving into a different time with transportation where connectivity can tell us all kinds of things that we couldn't know before. Just on the analytics and data side by itself, we can make a much smarter transportation system if we're smart about it. I'm always hopeful around this season that whatever administration is coming into place is doing its best job to serve the American public. And if that's the case, then we'll continue wrestling with these issues.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And there are other areas of the country that would say we'd just rather have 100% roads and they'd be right. So, you know, we don't have as flexible a system as I think we need to respond to our challenges. But the policy discussion always kind of comes at the end and without a whole lot of thought. And so what I've been trying to urge the transportation community is to pay as much attention to the policy as they do to the funding. Because if we don't get this right, we're going to have a lot of infrastructure, but it may not be the infrastructure that's going to help us move forward.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think that's where most of the debate will happen. The problem is, as I was saying earlier today, you could put $5 trillion into our infrastructure system. But if we're not paying for the right things, we're going to be challenged. And I think our system today is very much a supply-side system. We kind of say that we need and we pay for every dollar in the Highway Trust Fund, 80 cents is going to roads and 20 cents is going to transit. There's some areas of the country that really would want to flip that.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And actually those decisions actually are made by committees that aren't on the side of deciding how the money actually gets spent. So you go to the ways and means committee and you go to the Senate Finance Committee to figure out how to raise the dollars. Right.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know. I haven't seen the proposal. It's a funny thing, though, having the battles of the Fast Act on my back. A lot of the conversation, I'd say 95% of it If history is to be any indication, is going to be about how big it is and how it gets paid for.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so when you see a city like Los Angeles passing a major measure to accelerate their transit plan, that's a huge deal because their growth is going to continue just exploding and they're getting ready for it. But far too few communities in these fast-growing areas are really taking aggressive steps. So I'd love to see not only the project in California, but I'd love to see the Northeast Corridor extended down into the southeast to Atlanta, perhaps to Birmingham, because that intercity passenger rail system will be for the southeast what it has been for the Northeast as this population explosion continues. In addition to more transit and more mobility choices for people.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But our demographics show us that areas out in the West and the Southeast of the US are going to be the fastest growing areas of the country over the next 30 years. And those happen to be areas that are probably least prepared for that kind of growth.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I think we would want to start building some greater support for some of the rail projects around the country, not just high-speed rail.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, first of all, I think it's really important for me to say that, you know, giving the next secretary advice is probably not where I want to be. She's a pro. She's been at the department before. She served as the deputy secretary. She's run a big agency. She ran the labor department in the last Bush administration. So she'll go her own way and have her own priorities. I think the way that I could answer kind of answer your question is to say if I had more time, what would I want to be doing and fleshing out some of this technology stuff around autonomous vehicles and drones would certainly be a high priority for me. I'd say that we'd also want to continue to broaden the work on the opportunity front. We've done some things to teach the stakeholders out there how to be more context sensitive and more community-minded in how we build transportation.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, my fear was That we were unintentionally putting our finger on the scale and saying when technology is better than the other one. Because we're ready for V2V. We don't know much about the autonomous vehicle. So what I really was trying to do was to level the playing field and let the best technology sort of evolve. And our thinking right now is actually that they will converge and you'll have autonomous cars that have vehicle-to-vehicle connectivity, but that may be some time off.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Some of the reaction I got to that was that's cool that you're doing that, but there's going to be some other technology that's going to come up potentially faster than vehicle to vehicle. And that was a lot of the community that's been working on the autonomous car.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's different when you're dealing with an entirely new set of players. Who are used to moving very quickly? And I do recognize that as a reality and probably did early in the process here. But I actually think the thing that really convinced me we needed to make a move was in 2014 when we released our vehicle-to-vehicle guidance. Actually, our intention to get a vehicle-to-vehicle rule put out before the administration has ended, which we've done.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I do think there's a culture difference. When you deal with some of the conventional manufacturers of automobiles, they're very used to the process that we undertake. And they're patient, if you will, with the things we need to do and want to do to ensure safety. And they're very sophisticated in how to interface with us.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You can dream something up at nine o'clock and be working on it at ten o'clock and you might have a prototype by three o'clock. And so the way the rate of activity is just really, really fast. Right. And there's generally speaking, very little patience for the processes of government. So I think they're starting to figure out that there are some things with 50 years of experience of regulating automobiles that we know. So very hard thing for them to do. And there are things that they know or believe that we don't know. And I think part of the framework that we laid out in the guidance was basically, you know, we're going to be educating each other a little bit and they're going to push us a little bit. We're going to push them a little bit. And, you know, the goal for us is to ensure that we are raising the bar on safety.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think there has been. I think there will continue to be. They're getting a little more sophisticated, but for the most part, and I'm being very grossly general here, they're used to just creating stuff in many areas, like in just creating apps.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Thanks, Kara. I'm back with Secretary of Transportation Anthony Fox, who was nice enough to spend an hour of his last few days on the job with us. So I want to go back to the self-driving regulations a little bit, like we talked about before, you know, you had to do a little bit of an adjustment because now you're not just dealing with the auto industry, you're also dealing with the tech industry. On the side of the tech companies, do you feel like there was a little bit of a learning curve for them, you know, learning how to deal with a government agency for one, but specifically the DOT?”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I absolutely think that across the board, government needs to think about that. And we're taking our first stab at trying to understand the dimensions of potential labor market disruption. But that's not the only challenge that's out there. Again, we have cyber challenges, privacy challenges, ethical challenges. People talk about, well, what if the car has to choose between saving the occupants and saving somebody outside of the car? And let's think about that now. Let's not wait until we have a situation in front of us.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, as I say, this automation federal advisory committee's job is to help us think ahead. And it's very close to what I just said. I mean, I can think about problems we may face in the next 10 or 15 years, but someone who is working in the labor community. will have specific thoughts about that. Someone who's an academic who's been studying the ethics of liability laws will have a specific view of that. We've tried to bring the controversies under the tent so that they can be discussed openly and hopefully resolved to the best extent we can and reflected in how the federal government moves forward”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so obviously the jurisdiction of the DOT is limited in some regards, especially related to labor, for example. However, things like the self-driving guidelines, of course, have labor implications. And so you guys today announced that you are appointing the head of the Transportation Trade Department to your advisory committee on autonomous vehicles. Talk to me a little bit about what you think his responsibility will be, what the DOT's responsibility is in terms of labor”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think in the present tense. I think in like the future tense. And I'm always thinking about how do we get the country, in the case of being mayor, my city ready for what's coming. And this is an example of me and we as a department really trying to get ready for an avalanche of change that I don't think we were ready for three years ago, but I do think we're going to be ready for it when it happens”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I just call it spidey sense. I mean, it was my sense that we were reaching an inflection point. And I, you know, you think you can look back at my life in politics and you can see that”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“pad that a human foot can touch. Well, what if Akara gets presented to us that doesn't have a brake pad that a human being can touch? You know, so there are all kinds of questions that we have not Thought of, we had not thought about it at that time. And we now have a framework. So now people know how the federal government's going to be thinking about this. And we don't have every little T-crossed and I dotted, but people have a very good sense of where we think we're going to regulate, where we think we're going to be applying guidance, where we think we're going to be assisting the figuring things out like privacy and cybersecurity. So there's a lot of detail to be filled in, but I think the outline is pretty solid.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“What kind of standard would we apply to that? What kind of requirements would we apply to that? We have federal motor vehicle guidance safety standards that basically lay out the basic fundamentals of a car. And you're supposed to adhere to that. So a car is supposed to have a brake.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I wouldn't say that. I would say that I was curious about how ready we were for rapid technological change in general. And I was also looking for ways to enhance safety and the use of technology. So as we We're going through and scanning the waterfront. What I realized was that there was a lot of technology out there that was going to be coming our way. And one day we would have someone walk into our doors and say, hey, I've got an autonomous car. Right. I need your stamp of approval or whatever.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. And so, in your last few months as Secretary, you pushed forward federal automated vehicle guidelines. Did you go into your term as DOT Secretary convinced that the technology was ready to be regulated?”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, look, every administration can do lots of things, but I think there's everything I know about the present and the future is that we have many questions that need to be answered, questions about ethics, questions about privacy, questions about cybersecurity, questions about folks with disabilities. And those are evergreen questions. We need to answer them. So I think there's a strong case for what we've put together. And I'm confident about its future and its stickiness.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, it's something that we've been working on for quite some time. And I think out of respect for the confirmation process, it probably wouldn't be appropriate for us to have that conversation until a later stage”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's actually a committee that will report to the Secretary and provide ongoing feedback on second and third stage questions that our first guidance wasn't able to get to.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know, when we did the guidelines, what we were trying to do is to lay out a very broad framework for the technology itself, meaning where do we as a federal government expect to play our role and what role will we play? Will we play an assistive role? Will we play an enforcing role? Where do we think states belong? And where do we think the private sector bears more responsibility? And so it's sort of a broad framework to fill in some of the gaps. The second phase of what we're doing is we're launching a A Federal Advisory Committee on Automation and that group is going to help us wrestle with more specific questions like that. And we have representation from the disability community on that.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, and it's interesting you mentioned that a lot of what disability advocates are concerned about with the pushing forward of guidelines for self-driving cars is that a lot of these companies aren't actually thinking about ways to create vehicles that fit wheelchairs, for example, from the get-go, which often means that they're left out in the process. Islands. I don't know if you mentioned anything about wheelchair accessibility, but I mean, what is the DOT's responsibility with that?”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's correct. Yeah, like, for example, what if you don't have a bank account or a mobile phone to access an app. The cities came up with an idea of creating kiosks and putting them in places that are underserved so that folks can use cash and they can access the technology without having to have a mobile phone or having to have a bank account. That's a fundamental thing. But, you know, if you don't think about it first, you don't solve for it. And I think that's the biggest challenge we face is that there are a lot of great ideas out in the world. But if they don't translate into access points for people, then they don't exist.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But we could have just made that about technology. We could have just said, you know, show us the coolest stuff you can put on the ground and we'll pick who wins. But we actually went for more than that. We actually said, you know, as part of this exercise, we want our communities to think about the underserved, you know, and what are you going to do to ensure their access to the same technology? And I actually think.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I think it's possible. I don't think it will happen as an absolute eventuality. I think it'll happen because people intend for that to happen. And I'll give you an example with the smart city challenge for us was a big deal. We put $40 million of our money in place. We attracted, I think, about 90 million additional money from foundations and so forth. And it was probably the most sought after competition our department's ever done because there was only one winner. Usually there were a bunch of winners in our competitions.”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, you can't say Uber, right? Because it's more of a state So there's a thesis, there's a hypothesis about self driving cars, which is that it'll democratize access to transportation. You buy that”
2017-01-16 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: Secretary of Transportation Anthony Foxx · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT